Silk Road forums
Discussion => Silk Road discussion => Topic started by: Dread Pirate Roberts on May 04, 2013, 09:22 am
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I now have a twitter account as an emergency backup communication channel:
twitter.com/dprofsr
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Hey everyone,
Not long ago, the attacker took down these forums as well as the main site, cutting off all communication between us. If this happens again, we need a way to stay connected. Listed below are backup .onion URLs that we will try to host the forum at if it is unreachable from the usual url (dkn255hz262ypmii.onion). Consider these official Silk Road URLs from now on.
If you cannot connect via these URLs as well, we'll use reddit.com/r/silkroad as a last resort. Please spread this message far and wide so as many people that want to stay connected as we go through this dark time are able to.
Yours always,
DPR
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Subscribing - sounds like a decent plan.
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Oh shit...
/r/silkroad?
Definitely last resort. Full of noobs and children.
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Well, the signature's good; but damn that's a lot of alternate addresses to try... apparently that's the point though, eh :-X
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great idea
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So now the attacker has control over DPR's forum account.
Scary. :S
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This isn't looking good. If DPR has released alternate forum sites, it seems like not much progress is being made in preventing the DDos attacks.
I hope I'm wrong though. I would like to see Silk Road up and running 100% very soon.
Thanks DPR and good luck to everybody who is helping fix this issue.
Dingo
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So like open every url in a tab and I guess one is the working url?
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Doesn't sound like DPR.
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This does not sound like good news :-\ And none of the alternative links are working that I have tried so far.
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This Is getting kinda scary...
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Subbed
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At least it will show the attacker(s) that they will have plenty to do if they wanna keep up. Should be demotivating for the attacker(s) i hope.
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shit this isn't sounding good...hopefully all of this can be resolved soon!! keep up the work dpr and know that we are all behind you on this one!
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I think it was an excellent idea to create these links. Thank you so much DPR for your continued efforts to provide us with a stable environment to trade and communicate with.
I am looking forward to the improved Silk Road that arises after gaining experience from these attacks!
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good to know.
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Subbing.
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I know there are some alternate addresses for the main site as well...
but not as much as there are for the forum.
Could you give us a similar list of alternative url's for the main site and could that be a (temporarely) solution to keep the site up & running?
Thx 4 your efforts and continued attempts at kicking this f*c*e* out!!!
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All our thoughts here are with you and the team DPR. Thank you for your efforts and please don't give up as we will not, this site means too much to us.
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subbing
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Could you give us a similar list of alternative url's for the main site and could that be a (temporarely) solution to keep the site up & running?
That would be nice 8)
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thanks DPR and SR support for staying proactive and not getting discouraged, soon this will just be a rough patch in SRs long and prosperous history.
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Hey everyone,
Not long ago, the attacker took down these forums as well as the main site, cutting off all communication between us. If this happens again, we need a way to stay connected. Listed below are backup .onion URLs that we will try to host the forum at if it is unreachable from the usual url (dkn255hz262ypmii.onion). Consider these official Silk Road URLs from now on.
If you cannot connect via these URLs as well, we'll use reddit.com/r/silkroad as a last resort. Please spread this message far and wide so as many people that want to stay connected as we go through this dark time are able to.
Yours always,
DPR
Great Idea and even better would be to be able to do just this but with the main site.
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Hope this not a big scam from ur part, anw What about the database? Hope you back up for a new begining, now how we could get back our funds?
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Pretty sure these are the URL's for the main site:
silkroadiplkjo7t.onion
pddqoboqqqqqbqdq.onion
bpbpoqbqdodbqbqb.onion
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If you cannot connect via these URLs as well, we'll use reddit.com/r/silkroad as a last resort. Please spread this message far and wide so as many people that want to stay connected as we go through this dark time are able to.
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SR is an unstoppable machine now. We will hijack public infrastructure like Reddit and use it to sell drugs if this attack continues, muhhhooooaaaa! (Just kidding)
We are very lucky to have DPR on our side.
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If this is a government attack, they will publish it with honor.
If this is a hacker attack, there must be a negotiation between the two ends, and this market will survive.
If both possibilities didn't happen, THIS WILL BE A BIG SCAM FROM DPR.
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Find it hard to believe it could be the government. What would they publish? The fact they annoyed a bunch of people who were ultimately still able to buy and sell drugs online with impunity? Doesn't sound like the headline they'd spend so much time and money on.
Still, you never know. Maybe they're really that stupid, but I doubt it.
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If this is a government attack, they will publish it with honor.
If this is a hacker attack, there must be a negotiation between the two ends, and this market will survive.
If both possibilities didn't happen, THIS WILL BE A BIG SCAM FROM DPR.
So you're the hacker then? Or do you just work for him?
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I doubt its LE too. While this site does allow illegal trading of narcotics its much better to have us disjointed drug users sat safely behind our computers patiently waiting for our postman to deliver our goods than driving around the most dangerous of neighborhood's searching for our fixes.
Im sure this site has helped reduce street crime and at the same time support our ailing national postal services. Its win win, but not for everyone it seems..
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online drug markets need to go p2p
the future is decentralized.
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I doubt its LE too. While this site does allow illegal trading of narcotics its much better to have us disjointed drug users sat safely behind our computers patiently waiting for our postman to deliver our goods than driving around the most dangerous of neighborhood's searching for our fixes.
Im sure this site has helped reduce street crime and at the same time support our ailing national postal services. Its win win, but not for everyone it seems..
LE doesn't care about what is safer for drug users. If this was t he case, drugs would be legal and could be bought at pharmacies. Quality would be controlled best this way.
They are just after removing all possible sources of drug supplies, and Silk Road is a big drug supplier so they would remove that if they could.
Police don't give a shit about drug users. They think we are criminals and horrible people and deserve to be in jail.
The truth is drug users are not criminals. Drug use harms nobody except potentially the drug user themselves.
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I doubt its LE too. While this site does allow illegal trading of narcotics its much better to have us disjointed drug users sat safely behind our computers patiently waiting for our postman to deliver our goods than driving around the most dangerous of neighborhood's searching for our fixes.
Im sure this site has helped reduce street crime and at the same time support our ailing national postal services. Its win win, but not for everyone it seems..
It's certainly true that Silk Road would help reduce crime and make the drug industry a lot better, but this is not how the war on drugs works. It is not concerned with the health of drug users or the amount of crime they do or do not commit. It is a moral war fought basically "because drugs are bad, mkay?", and for a bunch of different and often racist reasons if you look at the history. It's hardly even fought because of that anymore, but more because nobody has the political backbone to stand up against it until they are out of power. Besides, what are you going to do with all those people who live in places where the illegal drug trade was the only viable employment opportunity? They might stop fighting for crumbs between themselves and demand actual jobs and livelihoods.
It's all about PR. Bringing down Silk Road would be amazing PR. Even though it is an utterly insignificant part of the drugs market (in economic terms), it's so hilariously brazen and is a huge fuck you to the drug war - which makes it a target.
But as I said, an attack like this makes no sense from a PR perspective. From where I'm standing, very few attacks will not conclude with the media asking "But wait, aren't there still like thousands of people still buying drugs online?" Short of catching DPR, there's not much they can make noise about that won't just make the site even more mainstream with even more users.
I do fear though, that as more and more users start to use the site, making it obvious that it cannot be stopped and is going to change the war on drugs, and it actually starts harming the PR of law enforcement (instead of being largely a non-issue as it is now), things could get messy as LE desperately lashes out in attempts to scare people away from using the site. But I don't think that will happen until basically everybody knows about the site, and at that point we've pretty much won. Or it will be the end of the postal system and the beginning of some shitty dystopia.
Ha, that was meant to be like a 4 sentence response.
Edit: Here's a promising update on just how mainstream silk road is getting. Promising if you think mainstream is a good thing, which I basically do.
CLEARNET http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/apr/18/internet-drug-dealing-survey CLEARNET
"But responses to the Global Drug Survey, an annual academic research poll with more than 7,000 UK respondents, suggest Silk Road is merely the most visible aspect of a much wider phenomenon.
Just under a third of survey respondents had heard of the Silk Road marketplace, while 14% had set up an account on the site and browsed its wares. However, only 3% said they had themselves bought and used drugs from the site – though a similar number had taken drugs a friend had bought on Silk Road.
Wider drug dealing online happens with less rigorous secrecy than the hi-tech (but hard to use) Silk Road. Instead, it relies on obscure coded listings hidden among job adverts, private sales and suspiciously cheap properties to let – "flat for rent – £60 – ask for Charlie"."
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Find it hard to believe it could be the government. What would they publish? The fact they annoyed a bunch of people who were ultimately still able to buy and sell drugs online with impunity? Doesn't sound like the headline they'd spend so much time and money on.
Still, you never know. Maybe they're really that stupid, but I doubt it.
Me too i fnd it hard to be the government, i mean, in this case, they will shutdown the whole onion, at least the child pornography first. And they will celebrate this news.
But as far as can i see, life is based on similarities, i mean, tony76, lucydrop, the matrix, and many other vendors did it. They scam and start a new beginning.
Ill miss the avengers thread anw.
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Btw. the english is not my native language... But the whole OP sounds odd to me.
1. "Listed below are backup .onion URLs that we will try to host the forum at if it is unreachable from the usual url (dkn255hz262ypmii.onion)..." followed by "Consider these official Silk Road URLs from now on."
- So those are backup URLs for the FORUM or SR??? I did not understand this. If forum, damn why so many... How much would SR have then... Odd also that forum attack semms quite short, was not available just while, then forum maintenance page and all ok.
2. "reddit.com/r/silkroad"
- Mentioning some clearnet website... Did you saw it ever before?
Well, DPR talked about changing the structure of how people access SR.
Basically to create an address per account, so if one address gets attacked, they can just disable it.
Perhaps this is the beginning of this transition?
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If this is a government attack, they will publish it with honor.
If this is a hacker attack, there must be a negotiation between the two ends, and this market will survive.
If both possibilities didn't happen, THIS WILL BE A BIG SCAM FROM DPR.
why the fuck do you write that IN CAPS LOCK? do you want some fucking attention, when you dont know shit of what you are talking about?
there are more probabilities of your mom scam us than DPR. Just fucking thank DPR for his hard work, when you are there masturbating and pressing f5 to see if SR is up or no.
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Anw i found it reasonable to strat a new beginning. This place became full of riff raff.
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SO????
THIS IS THE END OF THE silkroadvb5piz3r.onion AT ALL???
There is really not a solution for this shit going on?
I was thought this is the LAST POSSIBLE thing that could be done!
With such issues, soon or later whole ONION structure can go suck totally...
What about move to I2P??? Are not better ways there to keep one WAY to get on the SILK ROAD?
do you saw DPR saying that, that link wasn't gonna work ? do you fucking read that there was no solution for this? do you have some problem in your head? why the fuck do you take conclusions , when the only thing that DPR said was " If this happens again, we need a way to stay connected. "
is this hard to understand?
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Any Wiccans available on this site to cast a spell against the attacker(s)?
Surely, the force can't be that strong with this/these attacker(s).
BTW, enough with the DPR scam talk. The conclusions some-a-y'all come to... *shaking head*... think it through first and you'll soon see why it doesn't make sense. Don't think like an underachiever. Think about it from the perspective of someone who created something unique and special and the pride that goes along with gaining notoriety/infamy for having done so. Understand? Good. Now think about the other possibilities and the possible motivations behind the attack.
And also look into how TOR works.
SR will return. While Rome may have fallen in a day, it certainly wasn't built in one. So a little patience. It's not like taking down Amazon and the solution is to buy new servers. The fix involves first and foremost, maintaining anonymity. Anonymity for you and most importantly whomever DPR is/are.
If you need to hit the streets to get some drugs, by all means. We'll all understand and wouldn't think less of any who did. Loyalty to Silk Road is merely that you plan to return to using it. And why wouldn't you? It's the best of the best. The original.
So don't obsess about staying "loyal" per se. At the beginning and end of the day, SR is a business. Albeit, one with a supreme ideal.
You only get street cred for claiming to stay "loyal." None of us know or can see what you're actually doing.
I bet that some of those who ardently hail staying loyal to SR are registered on Atlantis and/or BMR. Food for thought. But they too will be back to buying or selling on SR when it emerges triumphant.
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If this is a government attack, they will publish it with honor.
If this is a hacker attack, there must be a negotiation between the two ends, and this market will survive.
If both possibilities didn't happen, THIS WILL BE A BIG SCAM FROM DPR.
Not really, I think a third option is much more likely (as I said in another thread); it could be a drug-ring/crime syndicate or some such. They wouldn't want to take any responsibility, wouldn't need to extort any money, they'd only want to make SR so unstable it's unusable, thus driving buyers back to getting whatever crappy drugs they can get on their street - from traditional drug-rings...
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Pretty sure these are the URL's for the main site:
silkroadiplkjo7t.onion
pddqoboqqqqqbqdq.onion
bpbpoqbqdodbqbqb.onion
For those of you wanting to know, MangoSeason is spot on. The 3 listed URL's will be used to host the SR site if the existing one has been compromised. This can be verified by looking through DPR's previous posts where he has posted a signed message all about this issue prior to the most recent attacks. :)
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Damn.
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Damn fo sho
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The government wouldn't publicize their DDoSing of a website because such attacks are illegal. Yes, I know that governments and law enforcement in general do all kinds of shitty and unethical things all the time but they don't blatantly come out and say "yeah, fuck you, we did that".
The attacker is most assuredly a competing black market site or just some guy who likes fucking with people and then laughing at them raging about it on the forums. (And all the death threats and such are just feeding his ego if that is the case)
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Is it just me, or does anyone else get a sketchy feeling from DPR's post?
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LE doesn't care about what is safer for drug users. If this was t he case, drugs would be legal and could be bought at pharmacies. Quality would be controlled best this way.
They are just after removing all possible sources of drug supplies, and Silk Road is a big drug supplier so they would remove that if they could.
Police don't give a shit about drug users. They think we are criminals and horrible people and deserve to be in jail.
The truth is drug users are not criminals. Drug use harms nobody except potentially the drug user themselves.
I agree wholeheartedly that LE doesn't give a shit about end user safety. However considering that the total yearly volume of sales at SR is around 20-25 million usd, it doesn't make much sense for LE to focus so many resources on attacking SR. 20 million usd is not even a drop in the ocean of the global drug trade, hell Afgan herion output is more then 500 billion per year. I don't even want to mention the multi trillion SA cocaine business that CIA is heavily involved with.
The only way it would make any sense for LE to go after SR is to make a point and end up being put on the pedestal by the MM. That's just my opinion, and I absolutely agree that we cannot completely disregard this as LE, just because it doesn't make any sense - maybe they are just trying to flex their muscles. Wouldn't be the first time, and certainly no the last.
Peace,
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First of all I place a lot of faith in DPR and his ideals so I don't appreciate people lashing out blindly in fear. Second of all it'd be in DPR's best interest to maintain SR, not only financially but also to perpetuate the values we share as a community. SR has yet to reach its pinnacle!
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sub.
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All dead links :(
And those questioning it's not DPR, it is possible though EXTREMELY unlikely. The attacks are still in the form of a DOS, so more than likely none of his passwords have been cracked. Beyond that, his PGP encryption is even less likely to be hacked, so it's still very very very unlikely.
Really shitty about the dead links though.
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Can't anyone read???
DPR said the links will go active IF/WHEN the forum became unreachable again.
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All dead links :(
And those questioning it's not DPR, it is possible though EXTREMELY unlikely. The attacks are still in the form of a DOS, so more than likely none of his passwords have been cracked. Beyond that, his PGP encryption is even less likely to be hacked, so it's still very very very unlikely.
Really shitty about the dead links though.
Of course they're dead. They are BACKUP links for the FORUM if/when the forum is attacked. They are not for the marketplace. They are merely backup links for the forum.
Except these marketplace backups from last time,
silkroadiplkjo7t.onion
pddqoboqqqqqbqdq.onion
bpbpoqbqdodbqbqb.onion
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Of course they're dead. They are BACKUP links for the FORUM if/when the forum is attacked. They are not for the marketplace. They are merely backup links for the forum.
Except these marketplace backups from last time,
They aren't all SR forum backup links:
silkroadiplkjo7t.onion
pddqoboqqqqqbqdq.onion
bpbpoqbqdodbqbqb.onion
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Can't anyone read???
DPR said the links will go active IF/WHEN the forum became unreachable again.
Hahaha... Yea they are back up links so save them.
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I printed out a paper copy of the backup ULRs. I still have faith in DPR and don`t think he`ll have to resort to that.
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Can't anyone read???
DPR said the links will go active IF/WHEN the forum became unreachable again.
Hahahahaha!
My thoughts exactly. This thread is simply a disaster plan. Those links will be active in the event of an emergency.
I think that SR should change the address to the main site or generate URLs for individuals. Lots of publicity has people all over just logging in to look. Part of the DoS is from excessive user volume.
This morning at about 0200 was when the site started working well for me. The only times I can really get in is from 0000-0400, after 0400 all the people on the east coast start waking up and logging in.
I would love multiple URLs.
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I would love multiple URLs.
At this point that sounds like the best idea, that really would be great.
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subbed
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Hope this not a big scam from ur part, anw What about the database? Hope you back up for a new begining, now how we could get back our funds?
If this is a government attack, they will publish it with honor.
If this is a hacker attack, there must be a negotiation between the two ends, and this market will survive.
If both possibilities didn't happen, THIS WILL BE A BIG SCAM FROM DPR.
Me too i fnd it hard to be the government, i mean, in this case, they will shutdown the whole onion, at least the child pornography first. And they will celebrate this news.
But as far as can i see, life is based on similarities, i mean, tony76, lucydrop, the matrix, and many other vendors did it. They scam and start a new beginning.
Ill miss the avengers thread anw.
Three times in this thread you've asserted your opinion that DPR is out to scam everyone. You are, of course, entitled to your opinion.
However you fail to take a number of things into consideration; the site is currently under a DDOS attack. If it were DPR's intention to scam everyone he/she would have done so when the site was live, not allowing withdrawal of any funds at all so as users could continue depositing money and nothing could be withdrawn from the site.
DPR would not be posting updates, nor would he/she attempt to get the site back up and running - he/she would simply abscond with the Bitcoin that is in user accounts and in escrow (and there is a phenomenal amount of BTC sitting in Silk Road wallets, with users being able to withdraw when the site is live.)
If it were DPR's intention to abscond with user funds, it would have happened by now, most likely when Bitcoin were increasing in value to the $260 mark.
This is not a scam by Silk Road's founder; this is an attempt at mitigating the effects of the DDOS and preserving the free market that we all enjoy here.
Libertas
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Thank you, Libertas, for injecting some sense into this discussion. Also, for using the word "abscond". It's a great word. ;D
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I would love multiple URLs.
At this point that sounds like the best idea, that really would be great.
But how would that work? What would prevent the attacker(s) from DDos'ing those URL's also?
How about create customized .onion url for each user where the url is a derived function of the hash of user's name and the hash of the users password. That way the attacker who is presumably a user(s)/vendor(s) here as well would be limited to DDosing only their url. Of course instructions would have to be given on how to generate a hash of one's username and password, and only people somewhat technically savvy would be able to get in...
I don't know how feasible this would be, but something has to be done until a real solution is in place.
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subbing
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The URL's probably aren't working, because the forum IS~!
They're there to be activated if, and when needed.
Also to all those who 'subbed'. - PRINT !
All the subbing in the world won't help you, if you can't get back on to see what you 'subbed' to !
- a little common sense from Uncle jag.
We'll get through this. - I survived the great Nov 2012 blackout. 8)
Those who went through that, both buyer and seller, became just a little tougher, a little wiser, and more patient. ;)
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5 pages of people talking about how "sketchy" this sounds without anyone actually verifying the signature. This message was signed with DPR's private key.
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I printed out a paper copy of the backup ULRs. I still have faith in DPR and don`t think he`ll have to resort to that.
+1... THIS!!
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This is not LE...it's Litecoin.
Stop freaking out, people! It sucks for all of us, I know, but we'll be fine.
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+ 1 @ jag as a veteran of the Great November 2012 Blackout I would have to agree 100% sit tight and weather the storm.. 8)
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Possible technical solution:
- Assign each users their own hidden service uri with a secret suffix: http://srgdfkgjdfdbfg.onion/bfuisdjngv
- Have a small reverse proxy monitor a portion of hidden services each, if the request does not contain the secret suffix then drop the connection
- If it does have the secret suffix then proxy it to the real server.
I added the secret suffix idea because there are attacks that allow you to see addresses being used on hidden services. By requiring a secret suffix you prevent them from profiling these hidden services and attacking them.
By randomly replacing servers, each time rearranging which one handles which service this would make timing attacks very difficult.
If a url starts to be attacked just tell the proxy to stop listening to them. Users would still need a password as authentication in a url is problematic.
The only issue becomes getting the secret to the users.
If the road does not manage to get back up I am going to use a similar system to continue moving my wares.
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Anyone else notice that as soon as site goes down the value of BTC goes up? hmmmmmm
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Lots of people asking "if they can DDoS this url, why can't they do it to all?!", you guys are missing the point.
The attack only has a finite number of resources, and it blocks up the servers ability to respond on that IP/hostname.
As long as it isn't making the machine itself crash, opening more IP/hostnames means the attacker has to spread his resources much much thinner, and the likelihood of everyone getting online again is much more likely.
It's an annoying solution, but it's a valid one nonetheless.
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Pretty sure these are the URL's for the main site:
silkroadiplkjo7t.onion
pddqoboqqqqqbqdq.onion
bpbpoqbqdodbqbqb.onion
Yes, those are alternatives for the main site - but maybe (in the regard of the recent events) it might be interesting to make new URL's/other URL's for the main site...
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The 3 addies on the bottom are the old back up addies from April last year. Still can't get them to work though.
Piece, Love, and Fuck Haters.
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i got subs on it
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Are these like backup methods of birth control? That shit doesn't work either!
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so should i be trying to access the road through the backup links?
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Thanks DPR! looks like you can get on sr but it loads very slow.but can get on long enough
to do biz then get off. for now anyway.....
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Thanks DPR! looks like you can get on sr but it loads very slow.but can get on long enough
to do biz then get off. for now anyway.....
cool thanks ill keep trying to get through
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first time i got in no problem(slow) certain pages timeout but just keep re-sending
and it goes through... good luck mcrad!
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How about create customized .onion url
That seems like a really great idea, but generating custom .onion urls isn't as easy, they are generated from the site's private key and this creates a problem in that it takes 1 day to compute a key that would produce an url with 7 custom characters.
It all really depends on what technique the attacker is using, which DPR and team are keeping secret, very sensibly.
It could in worst case scenario be beyond their control if the attack is on the nodes that connect to the server in the final hop, thus Tor would need to patch their code for every client to fix it. I doubt this is the case here, but a future concern for all of Tor.
Its been interesting to me reading up on the Tor network and its vulnerabilities during this downtime, some good reading is available on their site, especially the tor design manual which goes into full detail but is very big!
PS A good tip is use the "Incognito Browsing" option in your account settings. It will get rid of all images and pages will load much faster when you do get in.
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hey rootzero. where is the incognito setting located? torbutton? or vidalia control?
i cant find that setting.
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Why not host the main site on 5 URL's? is that possible?
it seems you have many onion urls...
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hey rootzero. where is the incognito setting located? torbutton? or vidalia control?
i cant find that setting.
It's on the site not your browser. (So you need to be logged into SR first)
Go to your Account page then Settings and tick the box and apply.
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subbing
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gotcha! thanks rz! if i had realized that i woulda done it a long time ago.
doesnt matter at the moment anyway. either its really busy or the attacks are just ramping up!
got kicked back off :(
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These are trying times for sure.
We have faith in you DPR!
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gotcha! thanks rz! if i had realized that i woulda done it a long time ago.
doesnt matter at the moment anyway. either its really busy or the attacks are just ramping up!
got kicked back off :(
im still here trying to get on. i was never able to. im going to try restarting my system
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This is not LE...it's Litecoin.
Stop freaking out, people! It sucks for all of us, I know, but we'll be fine.
Please elaborate.
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Thanks for this DPR.
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We'll get through this. - I survived the great Nov 2012 blackout. 8)
Those who went through that, both buyer and seller, became just a little tougher, a little wiser, and more patient. ;)
+1 Jag
I was a buyer then and am a vendor now, patience here is key. I remember thinking about how much vendors may have tied up in SR compared to me as a buyer then. Now I'm a vendor with thousands tied up on SR and I feel just as calm and patient as I did back in November when we went through this for much longer and it seemed much more serious back then as well.
We will get through this and grow stronger from it as a community.
Stay positive everyone. Have faith in DPR and his crew.
STM
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got online:)
much love DPR!
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Live and is lighting fast !!
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SR just loaded faster than the forums for me!
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I am in as well, Thanks DPR!
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SR just loaded faster than the forums for me!
its actually running really smooth. im stoked:)
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All our thoughts here are with you and the team DPR. Thank you for your efforts and please don't give up as we will not, this site means too much to us.
^^This I *almost* got choked up while reading this thread. Fuck the attackers. I love this community.
And it IS faster than usual!
Fuckin eh, DPR! I love your handsome ass! :D
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Can't anyone read???
DPR said the links will go active IF/WHEN the forum became unreachable again.
+1
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Yay! i can't believe im in, I wasn't expecting it to come back up this fast.
I want to make an order, but SR prices are still at the 94 weighted average. Currently the weighted average is 104 so people who also need to order, wait!
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+1's for EVERYBODEH!!! GD I am so fucking happy right now.
(((((((((((((((((((DPRand team))))))))))))))))))))))))
Feeling LOVE!
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site loads fine and fast here - thanks DPR !! great work!
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i remember back in the early 90's when we had net wars on IRC whole networks of servers battling eachother
taking down nickserv and chanserv with bot attacks geez...those were nutty days LOL
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I am on....its slow but I am on
certain pages are lagging/hanging
I hope my VENDOR gets on soon
WHY CAN'T WE JUST USE A REDIRECT PAGE. The attacks are trying to use the log in page to log in...lets just go around it
XXXXXXXX.onion would say would you like to go to SR? and then it takes you to a different og in page than the one being bombarded
just a thought
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He's still trying to attack, so expect it to go down at some point again. Anybody else notice that the bitcoin average on SR is off?
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Okay...the average is up to date now.
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Great job DPR!
I can only imagine the stress from where you are, and the high tensions when everything you built is crashing around you. You proved to be stronger than the attacker, for that I commend you. Keep it up
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Bacon.
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Good plan DPR.
They'll need a lot of computing power to spam that many addresses. The list will be saved and hopefully never needed.
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The first ~30 posts here just make me sad about all the gibbering idiots at the gates. Makes me wonder whether the whole DDoS story is just an idiot filter, and whoever gives up right away or can't understand the concept of a BACKUP can just go on ordering their drugs off Netflix.
Subbed.
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...and whoever gives up right away or can't understand the concept of a BACKUP can just go on ordering their drugs off Netflix.
Hahahaha. Netflix for drugs. Now THAT'S an idea... "Here, you can rent my drugs for as long as you like, as long as you return it and pay a monthly service fee. Oh, and only one drug at any one time"
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...and whoever gives up right away or can't understand the concept of a BACKUP can just go on ordering their drugs off Netflix.
Hahahaha. Netflix for drugs. Now THAT'S an idea... "Here, you can rent my drugs for as long as you like, as long as you return it and pay a monthly service fee. Oh, and only one drug at any one time"
You're right, I didn't think that one through... I guess Netflix is only good for bongs and needles.
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Bacon.
BACONNNN!!!!
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Subscribe.
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I've tryed some links mentioned and now they don't work, anyone knows why?
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I've tryed some links mentioned and now they don't work, anyone knows why?
As stated in this and other threads, they will not be active unless primary site(s) are down.
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I've tryed some links mentioned and now they don't work, anyone knows why?
As stated in this and other threads, they will not be active unless primary site(s) are down.
TY for informing me (+K) ::) I must have sped read past that and wondered why none of the links worked. ::)
Piece, Love, and Fuck Haters.
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PGP signature confirmed as valid. Thanks to DPR for providing these Plan B URLs! Keep in mind guys, SR has moved before now.
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More PGP Club tutorial time! More PGP Club propaganda! :)
More folks need to be verifying messages from SR Staff so Pine doesn't have the impression y'all relying on a passing member of PGP Club such as SS to be your savior, it is simple:
Step 1: Obtain PGP signature (for example DPR's public key has been posted on the forums several times recently and it's available on his SR user page). You need to do this *before* you think you might need to validate a sig. Sig veri is only intended to prove that the anonymous person you saw last week/month/year is the same person today, and that is all we need.
Step 2: Copy paste the signed PGP message into your PGP software editor/clipboard and click the Verify button.
Step 3: Check that the result is "Valid" or "Good". Some PGP software will kick up a fuss and say "Unknown" if you haven't signed the public key (do so locally only), but it's just the software fucking with you. If you double check that you copy & pasted correctly, and the signature still comes up as "Bad" each time, then either the OP with the signed message accidentally altered the message by accident or they are an imposter. If you get a Bad Signature, you demand a new Signature. If the OP with the signed message persistently refuses to acknowledge the result or they give a new signed message that is also Bad, then this is an imposter. An imposter is very unlikely to be able to produce a forged PGP signature but they are very likely to use social engineering (lol, don't worry you guys, no big deal blah blah blah).
Very important tip: whenever a vendor or anybody tells you they are changing their PGP public key, and you're depending on this person in any way, then you had better request a signed PGP message containing a copy of the new public key. If you don't do this, signing and verification is a complete waste of time.
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Is it just me, or does anyone else get a sketchy feeling from DPR's post?
Doesn't sound like DPR.
Bacon.
BACONNNN!!!!
5 pages of people talking about how "sketchy" this sounds without anyone actually verifying the signature. This message was signed with DPR's private key.
Like Everdred says, the message is signed for a reason. You have to join PGP Club to learn how to validate a signature to ensure it's authentic. And DPR's message is authentic, but you shouldn't depend on SS or Pine to tell you so. Time for you to hit the books and follow the tutorial above!
Pretty sure these are the URL's for the main site:
silkroadiplkjo7t.onion
pddqoboqqqqqbqdq.onion
bpbpoqbqdodbqbqb.onion
That's right. Not supposed to work unless there is a problem.
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@pine i had no problems with PGP when i hd a PC. Now im using an oooold Mac and when i dl the PGP pkg it is a bunch of files that when i look at each none seem to have teh app , they are just confusing. Im sorry to be stupid about this, i am not usually such a n00b, but PGP for Mac has got me beat. :(
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@pine i had no problems with PGP when i hd a PC. Now im using an oooold Mac and when i dl the PGP pkg it is a bunch of files that when i look at each none seem to have teh app , they are just confusing. Im sorry to be stupid about this, i am not usually such a n00b, but PGP for Mac has got me beat. :(
If by an old Mac you mean Leopard, I think you'll need to learn how to use the command line. Otherwise PM me and I'll send you a tutorial for Mac.
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@pine i had no problems with PGP when i hd a PC. Now im using an oooold Mac and when i dl the PGP pkg it is a bunch of files that when i look at each none seem to have teh app , they are just confusing. Im sorry to be stupid about this, i am not usually such a n00b, but PGP for Mac has got me beat. :(
If by an old Mac you mean Leopard, I think you'll need to learn how to use the command line. Otherwise PM me and I'll send you a tutorial for Mac.
Perhaps another option for you is Gpg4usb. Works on all three platforms including Mac and Linux. Download it from here - http://gpg4usb.cpunk.de/download.html. Here's a link to astor's tutorial for Gpg4usb - http://32yehzkk7jflf6r2.onion/gpg4usb/
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Thank you very much pine!
All of your posts are priceless
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When I try to verify the message GPA is saying the key is NOT valid. I've copied the entire message into my clipboard removed any extra spaces that may have gotten copied accidentally. I'm sure it's something wrong on my end but it's still weird.
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When I try to verify the message GPA is saying the key is NOT valid. I've copied the entire message into my clipboard removed any extra spaces that may have gotten copied accidentally. I'm sure it's something wrong on my end but it's still weird.
Copy the entire text of DPR's message, including the lines starting with dashes, and paste that text, as is, into a file. Then ask your PGP program to verify the signature. Using command-line GPG, this is as simple as:
~$ gpg --verify SR-backups.txt
gpg: Signature made Sat 04 May 2013 12:19:18 PM IDT using RSA key ID 67B7FA25
gpg: Good signature from "Silk Road <staff@silkroadmarket.org>"
If your PGP program gives some message like "Can't check signature: No public key", you need to import DPR's signing key, which you can get from the SR Wiki:
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/wiki/index.php?title=Trust_and_phishing
If you don't trust the SR Wiki, you can get the key from the source itself: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/923820dcc5
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Pine is a god/dess to this forum. We are lucky to have your insight!
PS, Will you marry me?
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When I try to verify the message GPA is saying the key is NOT valid. I've copied the entire message into my clipboard removed any extra spaces that may have gotten copied accidentally. I'm sure it's something wrong on my end but it's still weird.
If you're using GPA, then you need to sign DPR's public key (Locally only!! Otherwise you'll upload your signature to a key server! This is the offline equivalent of updating every phone book directory in the world with legally binding evidence you know DPR's phone number. In addition this would reveal your IP address unless your copy of GPG is setup to route its communications via Tor).
So, if you go to the keychain where the big list of public keys is on the GPA, you find the public key you want to sign, and then you right click and select Sign Locally. Then verify the signed PGP text again. It shall come up as "Valid".
Edit: fatoldsun's method shall work just as well as the above. Indeed using the command line or terminal is often preferable because it always works the same way over time and there's usually no difference between different operating systems.
Edit 2: Some people are saying that the "sign locally" option isn't there in the GPA. It does exist, it just may be hidden away someplace, you'll have to hunt it down in the options somewhere. Alternatively use a less awkward piece of GPG software or use oldfatsun's method.
Different PGP implementations handle these things differently. To be honest I think this web of trust concept has been implemented poorly, it's a complete cock up from an anonymity standpoint. The designers of PGP should have been thinking about how to make the difference between "authentication use" and "anonymous use" of PGP very clear to the user, because it is not obvious in the least.
Thank you very much pine!
All of your posts are priceless
Pine is a god/dess to this forum. We are lucky to have your insight!
PS, Will you marry me?
Thanks, it's DPR and co we should all thank the most, they are working their socks off all the time doing things they won't get the credit for, but which they'll get the blame for if they don't do them. Just so you know, Pine is not clickflashwhirr and has never claimed to be in the same way Shroommeister is not a mushroom (probably).
Perhaps another option for you is Gpg4usb. Works on all three platforms including Mac and Linux. Download it from here - http://gpg4usb.cpunk.de/download.html. Here's a link to astor's tutorial for Gpg4usb - http://32yehzkk7jflf6r2.onion/gpg4usb/
I'd love it if it worked for Mac, but I think it's still on the developer's to do list. I'll be delighted to be wrong! :)
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If one was to sign the keys using gpa, not locally, would they be at risk and what should they do?
and who would the IP address be revealed to exactly?
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i havent done this yet.
so i import DPR's public key and sign it with my public key. then post it here?
thanks pine<3
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I had 3 URL that DPR posted last year as backups in case SR went down. NONE OF THEM WORKED, so don't get to excited saving those.
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so did i do this right. the key was verified as good:)
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1
i think this is right:)
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux)
iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJRiEA1AAoJEGOBg5DwP9EOzUMH/0YfGa714mZGAlID3GNMGg3y
1TJ/dlW1bv7wrdTAPoeYzjRmDDtRZCBwKaQuvzC04QE4CHiGnuhqpMqLr2CP9kGn
zJfFNc6kiIP9agm8cv8uuqh58Rr5FpgB34APSF31QhxDhrA2cV6fU7kjzxgWNi0s
ZLA9IN0y/msWTQGlg9PAWd+/mlASBGr+sWswi1dehkx3dmmhZfopV7eRg5RKzIIj
ZM1eCeLbgTifAFi5Hb+wA5PZ1lyrohMPUQYCWaHv7HahsUph2nvB1OZQYMjeueJa
cZ6MVTlYIDtrKXyDlXnSH7F8+a/Pg3KAcu8Di+JU9+Yt1zTIqKFJuSg918z02xw=
=/ZIx
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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I had 3 URL that DPR posted last year as backups in case SR went down. NONE OF THEM WORKED, so don't get to excited saving those.
Those URLs will only become active if the current Silk Road URL is taken down permanently. Silk Road did not 'go down' recently, it was the subject of a DDOS attack which flooded it with requests making it impossible for legitimate users to reach it.
Libertas
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If one was to sign the keys using gpa, not locally, would they be at risk and what should they do?
and who would the IP address be revealed to exactly?
They could hypothetically be revealed to the FBI, DEA and rest of the alphabet mafia. I don't know if they surveil keyservers, I'm only thinking about what I would be doing in their position (it is a good thing you don't have pine as the adversary).
There are two potential dangers to your anonymity.
The signing is done by default with whatever your primary PGP private key is. If that happens to be your work related PGP key and you reuse passwords like many people, then it won't matter much if you anonymized your GPG client because if your primary PGP public key is already on a server, and you're uploading a signature (it happens in the background without you noticing it, there's no visual aid, which is a killer) to DPR's public key as part of some Web of Trust scheme, then you've associated your real identity with DPR on clearnet where anybody could look you up. The entire point of WoT is that people are associating themselves with other people they know. I think you can see how that could turn into a problem for you right there.
Now, hopefully your default public key server (every time you hear keyserver, think: PGP telephone directory) will bitch and moan and not let this happen if DPR's public key hasn't been posted on it, but why take that chance?
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The second, more dangerous and more subtle threat is that you sign the public key without thinking much about it. Then your computer connects to the internet to your default keyserver and then attempts to upload your signature. Now, whether that works or not is irrelevant because your *real IP address* is what is connecting to the keyserver with a sig from you on DPR's public key. Again, a smart LEO would monitor the keyservers for any evidence of these things to pick people off. You can prevent this by torifying your GPG client. However you shouldn't be using WoT in the first place.
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In short, do not sign anything unless it is local.
Keyservers can be a good idea. In fact they are very good idea. Just don't jinx yourself by accidentally falling into some dumb WoT scheme you never wanted to be involved in in the first place. As you can tell, it's a minefield for your anonymity. This is because GPG and PGP implementations have shitty designs when it comes to anonymity. Incredibly, some cypherpunks overlooked the use case in which people wanted both anonymity and encryption at the same time. This is because much like Mark Zuckerberg, they became featurewhores and also because they imagined literally everybody would be using PGP because they thought people were going to be tech savvy in the future. So those cipherpunks deserve nothing but our pity.
i havent done this yet.
so i import DPR's public key and sign it with my public key. then post it here?
thanks pine<3
Sign it locally only! And you don't post anything here at all. And you can't possibly sign a public key with your public key, but that's a different subject.
The idea was (IFF) you're using the GPA that comes with GPG4WIN then you sign the public key locally*, then you copy paste DPR's original message into the GPA Clipboard and click on "Verify". Then GPG will tell you whether the message is really from DPR or not. Note: This only really makes sense if you already had DPR's public key *before* the signed message was posted.
Alternatively open the command line or terminal and do it oldfatsun's way, which will be better for lots of people.
* Some people are saying local signing is not right there in the context menu when you right click on the list of public keys. I thought it was there as an option, but if not then root around in the options for the GPA and you're sure to find it somewhere.
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so did i do this right. the key was verified as good:)
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1
i think this is right:)
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux)
iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJRiEA1AAoJEGOBg5DwP9EOzUMH/0YfGa714mZGAlID3GNMGg3y
1TJ/dlW1bv7wrdTAPoeYzjRmDDtRZCBwKaQuvzC04QE4CHiGnuhqpMqLr2CP9kGn
zJfFNc6kiIP9agm8cv8uuqh58Rr5FpgB34APSF31QhxDhrA2cV6fU7kjzxgWNi0s
ZLA9IN0y/msWTQGlg9PAWd+/mlASBGr+sWswi1dehkx3dmmhZfopV7eRg5RKzIIj
ZM1eCeLbgTifAFi5Hb+wA5PZ1lyrohMPUQYCWaHv7HahsUph2nvB1OZQYMjeueJa
cZ6MVTlYIDtrKXyDlXnSH7F8+a/Pg3KAcu8Di+JU9+Yt1zTIqKFJuSg918z02xw=
=/ZIx
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
No, you've produced a signed PGP message. Which is a good thing to do in lots of situations, but it doesn't help you here. If I had your public key I could prove you wrote "i think this is right:)" up there, although that's not what we want right now.
PGP Signing is like PGP encryption, and PGP Verification is like PGP decryption. In other words, Signing and Verification are two halves of a whole.
In the GPA that comes with GPG4WIN, you go to the list of public keys and find DPR's public key (if you don't have it, it needs to be imported).
Then, and this is the most important part for you so pay careful attention: Find the option in the GPA that allows you to sign a key locally. When you find it, make sure you toggle it (I originally thought it was in the context menu of the GPA's key chain, but apparently not and I can't double check this right now).
Then, the second step is to copy paste DPR's PGP Signed message into the clipboard of the GPA. Then click "Verify" and view the results. That's it.
With other version of GPG, signing the public key of somebody who sent you a signed message is not necessary. I appreciate all this sounds wildly confusing at first, but pay attention and think it through and you'll get it. Then like all things, once you have it down it'll seem very easy.
Edit: Millennium Pine! Yeah! 2013 here I come! :D
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so did i do this right. the key was verified as good:)
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1
i think this is right:)
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux)
iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJRiEA1AAoJEGOBg5DwP9EOzUMH/0YfGa714mZGAlID3GNMGg3y
1TJ/dlW1bv7wrdTAPoeYzjRmDDtRZCBwKaQuvzC04QE4CHiGnuhqpMqLr2CP9kGn
zJfFNc6kiIP9agm8cv8uuqh58Rr5FpgB34APSF31QhxDhrA2cV6fU7kjzxgWNi0s
ZLA9IN0y/msWTQGlg9PAWd+/mlASBGr+sWswi1dehkx3dmmhZfopV7eRg5RKzIIj
ZM1eCeLbgTifAFi5Hb+wA5PZ1lyrohMPUQYCWaHv7HahsUph2nvB1OZQYMjeueJa
cZ6MVTlYIDtrKXyDlXnSH7F8+a/Pg3KAcu8Di+JU9+Yt1zTIqKFJuSg918z02xw=
=/ZIx
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
No, you've produced a signed PGP message. Which is a good thing to do in lots of situations, but it doesn't help you here. If I had your public key I could prove you wrote "i think this is right:)" up there, although that's not what we want right now.
PGP Signing is like PGP encryption, and PGP Verification is like PGP decryption. In other words, Signing and Verification are two halves of a whole.
In the GPA that comes with GPG4WIN, you go to the list of public keys and find DPR's public key (if you don't have it, it needs to be imported).
Then, and this is the most important part for you so pay careful attention: Right click that public key and select "Sign Locally". Click nothing else!
Then, the second step is to copy paste DPR's PGP Signed message into the clipboard of the GPA. Then click "Verify" and view the results. That's it.
With other version of GPG, signing the public key of somebody who sent you a signed message is not necessary. I appreciate all this sounds wildly confusing at first, but pay attention and think it through and you'll get it. Then like all things, once you have it down it'll seem very easy.
when i right click on dpr's key (or what i thought was DPR's key) their is no sign locally option?
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when i right click on dpr's key (or what i thought was DPR's key) their is no sign locally option?
Yes, it looks like I'm mistaken about the location of the sign locally option. You'll need to find it in the settings somewhere and make sure that it is toggled instead of uploading to the keyserver by default. Get back to me with its location if you can. Thanks.
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Right click the key and select "Sign Keys" a confirmation dialogue will appear with a checkbox "Sign only Locally"
Select this checkbox :)
You can also prevent yourself uploading anything to a public keyserver by specifying a false url in the keyserver option.
Edit->Backend preferences - On the first tab change the value of keyserver to an invalid address.
Hope this helps:)
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Right click the key and select "Sign Keys" a confirmation dialogue will appear with a checkbox "Sign only Locally"
Select this checkbox :)
Thanks dbelle, can you post us a screenshot of that dialog please (with keychain blurred out + only the GPA in view). You can achieve this with pressing the ALT+ PrintScreen button after you clicked on the GPA to bring it into focus, opening Paint in Accessories and then presssing Ctrl-V to paste. Then you can paint out the keychain and any info visible, so we just see where the dialog is.
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Sure, here ya go!
http://postimg.org/image/808nfewn3 ***CLEARWEB***
And where to change keyserver option:
http://postimg.org/image/syetdhwhr ***CLEARWEB***
Enjoy :)
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No one ever says CLEARWEB ALERT anymore. ??? Are you guys cops?
Lol.
Piece, Love, and Fuck Haters.
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Right click the key and select "Sign Keys" a confirmation dialogue will appear with a checkbox "Sign only Locally"
Select this checkbox :)
Just to clarify, that checkbox is not there by default. In order for it to show up, you have to go to Edit -> Preferences and then click on "Use Advance Mode" (it's the first checkbox). When it's checked, click Apply, or Ok, and now when you right click on a key, it'll give the option to sign it locally.
I may have overcomplicated it with this next paragraph, so if you only have one public key, feel free to skip the next paragraph of this post.
Before you do, you should check on the bottom of the main GPA window at the status bar. It will tell you what your Selected default key is. If you want to change it, go back to Edit -> Preferences and select which key you want to be your default key, and press OK. Then go back to the key you want to sign and it'll be signed with the key you have selected as default. Always look at the bottom to see which key you're about to sign it with. Even though you're signing locally, it's a good habit to get into separating different aspects of your life.
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Thanks to dbelle and theonion for those contributions so people can sign locally without fear. Also quit trolling poor dbelle Mr Razorspyne ;)
Note: There is usually no good reason to indicate a URL is clearnet or darknet. Any "clearnet" links should be browsed with Tor just like you do with a hidden service like this one.
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90% Paranoia 10% Faith.
I fall in the 10% category. Maybe...we need to work on bringing down these percentages to more of an equatable amount...50/50...40/60...
The ones who get this...you know what's up.
The ones who don't...consider yourself part of the 90%
Paranoia and healthy fear are two different things people. Be safe, but don't freak out.
Thanks DPR, PINE, Libertas, and the other MODs for keeping a level head and tolerating the ignorance with intelligence and patience.
Keep it cool peeps...
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Thanks for the info Pine and co.
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Sure, here ya go!
http://postimg.org/image/808nfewn3 ***CLEARWEB***
And where to change keyserver option:
http://postimg.org/image/syetdhwhr ***CLEARWEB***
Enjoy :)
:)
Piece, Love, and Fuck Haters.
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Thanks to dbelle and theonion for those contributions so people can sign locally without fear. Also quit trolling poor dbelle Mr Razorspyne ;)
Note: There is usually no good reason to indicate a URL is clearnet or darknet. Any "clearnet" links should be browsed with Tor just like you do with a hidden service like this one.
I never understood why anybody did this in the first place. Surely you'd be able to figure it out from it not ending with .onion, right?
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Thanks to dbelle and theonion for those contributions so people can sign locally without fear. Also quit trolling poor dbelle Mr Razorspyne ;)
Note: There is usually no good reason to indicate a URL is clearnet or darknet. Any "clearnet" links should be browsed with Tor just like you do with a hidden service like this one.
I never understood why anybody did this in the first place. Surely you'd be able to figure it out from it not ending with .onion, right?
Some people think that they're "on Tor" when they access hidden services and otherwise not. It's good to be conservative with these things if you don't know, but it is still the wrong model.
I have also talked to people who go to the other extreme and think everything is Torified if they are running the TBB e.g. torrents, regular internet browser etc. Exceptions like Liberte and Tails confuse people unintentionally.
What it comes down to I suppose, is that not everybody knows what an IP address is so they start making assumptions.
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For the record, you're on Tor 100% of the time if you're using the TBB, whether .com or .onion, otherwise outside the Tor Browser Bundle you are not unless you explicitly configure other applications to be on Tor on your computer.
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Pine- Marry me?
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Find it hard to believe it could be the government. What would they publish? The fact they annoyed a bunch of people who were ultimately still able to buy and sell drugs online with impunity? Doesn't sound like the headline they'd spend so much time and money on.
Still, you never know. Maybe they're really that stupid, but I doubt it.
Dunno if cactus hand will read this, but it probably is government. Sure, there's a bunch of white hat freaks AGAINST SR, but let's think of it this way... An attack of this magnitude and consistency would certainly require more than a couple of servers sending out denial of service attacks. I'd be willing to wager 20 would still be a nuisance. A couple of code junkies could hardly be this accurate I'm sure.
No government would be blatant enough to advertize this unless I'm absolutely wrong about them being the cause. But we practically see some gov's signature all over this. Never mind the fact tor was developed by the Navy Seals...
Anyway, just my two cents.
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what the hell is going on? :/
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Thank you DPR Long Live SilkRoad :)
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Bumping so I'm subscribed. Long live SR.
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in just incaseers
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the links didn't work in the last downtime. i tried and got the same message for some reason. :/
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Just wanted to commend you again DPR as those url seemed to have baffled the buffoon cheers bro you done good thumbs up all the way
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Backup URLs is a great idea.
Long life to SR.
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Confusing
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what is confusing? :/
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Great idea thanks DPR ;D
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Subbed... 8)
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I dont understand either? :-\
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I cant believe people are trying the links....? ???
Ha ha DPR must be laughing his arse off right now...like i am.
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I cant believe people are trying the links....? ???
Ha ha DPR must be laughing his arse off right now...like i am.
;D
these are backup links !
Listed below are backup .onion URLs that we will try to host the forum at if it is unreachable from the usual url
big up to the team I wish a long life to SR
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I cant believe people are trying the links....? ???
Ha ha DPR must be laughing his arse off right now...like i am.
;D
pretty funny indeed !
Listed below are backup .onion URLs that we will try to host the forum at if it is unreachable from the usual url
big up to the team I wish a long life to SR
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Sorry to sound like a PC layman, but how can you bookmark all these alternate URLs without having to go through every link individually? :-[
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All backup sites are down also?
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All backup sites are down also?
Yes, theyre forum backups; not SR main.
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Thats alot of fucking back up. lol
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whaat confused too. Get the whole its backup. Why all the subscribed business
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i am also confused about the subscribing buisness what are we subscribing to and how?
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whaat confused too. Get the whole its backup. Why all the subscribed business
i am also confused about the subscribing buisness what are we subscribing to and how?
Replying saves it in your updated topics. Just so we know if plans change ;)
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Thanks GG I thought that might be the case i just wanted to make sure i wasn't missing something Thanks for the quick reply.
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Checking-in
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High Pine-ee! :-*
Mom
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Hey guys. Sheep here. :D
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*elderly southern woman voice* Oh mah gravy stars, that is a lot of backups, maybe everyone who knows how to DDOS should hack em back, i dont get why you would attack SR though, unless you dont want anyone else to enjoy online drugs...
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sub'd thanks dpr
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Hey there! 8)
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I now have a twitter account as an emergency backup communication channel:
twitter.com/dprofsr
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A twitter account? What with all the talk of twitter collectijng and giving any and all accont info to the NSA? IS that smart or very stupid? Soprry, DPR, but I have to call them as I see them.
And what happened to the reddit page? I was expecting you to show up there to try to explain what was happeniong since yesterday. None of the black markets (BMR, Atlantis) were online today. Talk of tor botnets and who knows what else.
What has been happening??? What are your safeguards, plans?
goblin
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reporting for duty!
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???
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Cannot connect to the road . Is there another link or is it normal to have silk road off but the forum active ?
B 8)
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This not related to SR, the current issue.
I have had a lot of issues to keep a steady connection to whatever .onion website for the last two hours, while visiting clearnet sites via Tor worked.
At some point I got a page with a yellow background and something the size of a banner on top, without anything in it.
I had this issue on 3 different .onion names.
For whatever reason (my two cents) it appears that the .onion lookup is going wrong.
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I had a few problems the last couple of days connecting to onion websites but it seems ok at the moment.
Is it true that Tor is under attack?
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I just tried to follow DPRofSR on Twitter to make sure we stay connected, but when I tried to follow this user name, Twittter denied it stating"This account has been suspended". Perhaps DPR could send venders a message on the SR site with a more incognito Twitter user name that may stay under the radar enough to avoid unnecessary attention to ensure we stay connected in the face of another "attack"? Just an idea. Maybe posting the user name on the forum may have left it vulnerable and at risk for serving it's purpose? It's been quite difficult to stay connected in light of the slowing of TOR, and it's really got me thinking about a functional backup plan. Just trying to be proactive to make sure and stay connected.
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I just tried to follow DPRofSR on Twitter to make sure we stay connected, but when I tried to follow this user name, Twittter denied it stating"This account has been suspended". Perhaps DPR could send venders a message on the SR site with a more incognito Twitter user name that may stay under the radar enough to avoid unnecessary attention to ensure we stay connected in the face of another "attack"? Just an idea. Maybe posting the user name on the forum may have left it vulnerable and at risk for serving it's purpose? It's been quite difficult to stay connected in light of the slowing of TOR, and it's really got me thinking about a functional backup plan. Just trying to be proactive to make sure and stay connected.
I hope you didn't use your personal twitter account and logged in on TOR?
Otherwise it will not look good for you.
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Haha, a twitter account, that's awesome. That'd be funny as shit if you got verified.
Btw I always thought your avatar was a blind man holding a cane until just now lol.
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I hope you didn't use your personal twitter account and logged in on TOR?
Otherwise it will not look good for you.
No Dingo - I'm way more secure than that! Yikes I would assume most people here know better! I have never used Twitter and probably never will. I'm amazed at all the rediculous updates people post. For the past week or so it's been very hard some days to log onto SR, so I just thought I'd follow DPR's advise and be prepared in case of another attack.
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So what exactly do vendors need to be doing at this point? I also cleared my mail before copying the unique code given in the personal message, is there a way to find mine out again? Thanks!
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So what exactly do vendors need to be doing at this point? I also cleared my mail before copying the unique code given in the personal message, is there a way to find mine out again? Thanks!
Huh? Sounds like you're getting phished.
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I got a personal message with everything it says on the first page here but it also mentioned a personalized code of some sort that I should keep on me - can't remember off the top of my head who its from but mentioned Bitcoins. I think maybe someone is taking advantage of the situation and trying to get people to "backup" their Bitcoins to a scammers wallet.
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I got a personal message with everything it says on the first page here but it also mentioned a personalized code of some sort that I should keep on me - can't remember off the top of my head who its from but mentioned Bitcoins. I think maybe someone is taking advantage of the situation and trying to get people to "backup" their Bitcoins to a scammers wallet.
Yeah... I personally wouldn't trust that msg so much.
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subbed.
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is cmail a bad idea?
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I take a few months off from drug use and I come back to this....
FUUUCKKK
I shoulda stocked up on LSD and DMT.
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ruh roh
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postin to keep eye on this ;)
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BMR - 5onwnspjvuk7cwvk.onion/index.php?p=viewUserListings&id=138212
i thought this was supposed to be bulletproof....
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I take a few months off from drug use and I come back to this....
FUUUCKKK
I shoulda stocked up on LSD and DMT.
double fuuuuuuuuuuuuuck i took 2 years off of h and got one buy in and that is it? tell me it ain't so... i have no one here on street for it.
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I just tried to follow DPRofSR on Twitter to make sure we stay connected, but when I tried to follow this user name, Twittter denied it stating"This account has been suspended". Perhaps DPR could send venders a message on the SR site with a more incognito Twitter user name that may stay under the radar enough to avoid unnecessary attention to ensure we stay connected in the face of another "attack"? Just an idea. Maybe posting the user name on the forum may have left it vulnerable and at risk for serving it's purpose? It's been quite difficult to stay connected in light of the slowing of TOR, and it's really got me thinking about a functional backup plan. Just trying to be proactive to make sure and stay connected.
dpr is in jail folks.
I hope you didn't use your personal twitter account and logged in on TOR?
Otherwise it will not look good for you.
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Yowzers... that was a shock opening up the SR and seeing the FBI page: "THIS HIDDEN SITE HAS BEEN SEIZED". Let's hope the back up plans are solid... although it's hard to imagine people ever using the SR again with the same level of confidence. If/when it makes a come back, I'm going to be somewhat paranoid submitting my postal address(s) to the orders page.... a bit like when I placed my first ever order!
Not particularly confident about using BMR or this Sheep site.... hmmmmmmmmmmm!
Follow DPR on Twitter.... REALLY????!!!
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what backup plans???
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BTC were supposed to be released by a dead man switch or some similar type of shit to emergency addresses in this event.
The other backup sites I believe were just to deal with the hackers... not the feds.
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Do not believe coming back up. Check OPSEC topic.
Seize of Tormail and other events could see this possible coming however.
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So for everyone who had BTC sitting in there SR wallet, all just gone? :'(
I swear I was 10 min away from selling mine, now nothing - very sad day.
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Ya, I would say it's gone.
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Can anyone confirm whether they had an emergency backup BTC address linked to their account, and if coins have been sent?
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No emergency one for me, was concerned about it linking to another. I was just 10 min away from withdrawing $4k, feel like such an idiot - feel sorry for anyone else who had BTC tied up in SR alone and have now lost it, someone else had lost $8k.
Ah well, live and learn - will be supporting SR's predecessor and playing it extra safe every step of the way, hope a miracle comes for him and us following his arrest.
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i had about 270 usd in there....im assuming its gone right? damn. and i was waiting on some shit too FUCK
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Well I hope SR isn't down forever:/
Going to look into BMR as a backup.
Much love_mcrad
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i had 200+ left from a 2k deposit earlier in the summer. So I will consider myself lucky...sad this went down (it was only a matter of time), but fortunate non the less
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message to LE
go suck a goat
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absolute last case scenario back up forum we wont go down and we will need t6o keep in contact until silk road staff come up with a plan. please you may register but no posting unless the forums vanish
http://6zyze2mkwyla7jwe.onion/silkroad/backup/
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BTC should come back. One could argue that they were doing nothing illegal and used the site to purchase legal goods and services.
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BTC should come back. One could argue that they were doing nothing illegal and used the site to purchase legal goods and services.
Maybe, but if they have access to the servers, they can look up your past transactions to see if you'd ever bought something illegal... right?
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As soon as I posted that, I realized that you're probably talking about them having to release the funds as a preliminary measure, not as a result of anyone literally arguing that they didn't purchase anything illegal...
Love, Love, Love!
MushGoo
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Whats up people,
I am looking for someone who knows how to write the code for another anonymous website. I have a dedicated server that has the ability to run TOR services on it. I am an experienced IT engineer and know how to run operations such as these completely anonymously. However, my knowledge of website coding is limited and integrating Bitcoin is a bit too technical for me to figure out in such a short space of time.
Basically the software will need to run just as SR did with a few variations for security reasons. The coder and myself will never know who the other person is to keep our own anonymity safe.
Anyone who could do this, inbox me and we can start discussing. PLEASE, only people really capable of doing this, I don't want time-wasters.
Why should you do this?
- You will be 100% protected because I will not know who you are, therefore, if I do get caught, you won't. You run NO risk
- This planet needs a place like SR!!!
- For the love of the SR community!!!
Cheers
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I am an experienced IT engineer and know how to run operations such as these completely anonymously. However, my knowledge of website coding is limited and integrating Bitcoin is a bit too technical for me to figure out in such a short space of time
An IT engineer that doesn't know about website coding.
Hey cool, um my name is Jeremy Bliar I live in 46 Bender Avenue, Pissfuckcuntshit Province of Rectum Island.
My phone number is 1800-PISS-IN-MY-ASSHOLE
Cant wait to discuss!
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Whats BMR?
And i had some money in there too.. made an order of mesculine about 2 days ago.. i hope that shit shipped! ugh i need my psychedelics wtf...
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I reached out to backopy over on BMR and he has very kindly created a section for us on the BMR forums.
Please bookmark it as soon as possible, and I hope to see you all over there soon should things go south over here.
http://fec33nz6mhzd54zj.onion/viewforum.php?id=29
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I reached out to backopy over on BMR and he has very kindly created a section for us on the BMR forums.
Please bookmark it as soon as possible, and I hope to see you all over there soon should things go south over here.
http://fec33nz6mhzd54zj.onion/viewforum.php?id=29
Libertas
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That was very nice of Backopy to give us a refugee camp.
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An IT engineer that doesn't know about website coding.
They do exist. I know plenty of them :)
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Is this guy for real or what?
http://6zyze2mkwyla7jwe.onion/silkroad/backup/
by the way die in hell Libertas, you cunt. you are destroying all of DPR clever plan, shame on you
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Can I ask why the hostility towards Libertas?
I guess I missed something.
As for the link, yea apparently they are serious, but to be honest its pretty much a nothing going on location at this time. Who knows, if it is indeed, as was claimed, something that sprang out of the dev roudtable forum, then more power to him if something good comes of it.
The angry posts just had me baffled and I am certain they came from somewhere, so I asked.
Cheers.
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Can I ask why the hostility towards Libertas?
I guess I missed something.
As for the link, yea apparently they are serious, but to be honest its pretty much a nothing going on location at this time. Who knows, if it is indeed, as was claimed, something that sprang out of the dev roudtable forum, then more power to him if something good comes of it.
The angry posts just had me baffled and I am certain they came from somewhere, so I asked.
Cheers.
I am also puzzled as to where the hostility may be coming from but to be frank I don't have the time nor the inclination at the moment to care. There are much bigger issues to address.
Libertas
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And thank you, Libertas, for addressing them.
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I am an experienced IT engineer and know how to run operations such as these completely anonymously. However, my knowledge of website coding is limited and integrating Bitcoin is a bit too technical for me to figure out in such a short space of time
Pissfuckcuntshit Province of Rectum Island.
You wouldn't happen to be a Vonnegut fan would you?
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Libetas many thanks for hanging around. You seem to be the only Mod who's stuck around and that is very much appreciated.
People are stressed and taking it out on the wrong folks.
Regards
ST
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you lying faggot wannabe pirate where the fuck is my backup wallet?! I lost $50k to u, better hope they lock you up.
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^That's a harsh thing to say. You're a big boy. You knew the risks were while being here. One of them was exactly what just happened. For you to keep that much in your SR wallet, and not a software wallet, or a safer wallet is pretty much your fault. I always keep my money in my other wallet. I only put on here, how much i'm going to spend that day. You should've thought ahead.
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^That's a harsh thing to say. You're a big boy. You knew the risks were while being here. One of them was exactly what just happened. For you to keep that much in your SR wallet, and not a software wallet, or a safer wallet is pretty much your fault. I always keep my money in my other wallet. I only put on here, how much i'm going to spend that day. You should've thought ahead.
Agree completely with this... having that much stored on SR was a very fucking stupid thing to do. He only has himself to blame. We all knew this could (and would) happen sooner or later, and it's not as if DPR has taken his money... if he really doesn't see how it's his own fault then instead of being pissed off at DPR he should blame the DEA.
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so to summarize
backup onion links do nothing are not active
no failover to any other server should single server under desk be powered off, taken in as evidence, blown up, or destroyed ?!
what a disappointment
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^That's a harsh thing to say. You're a big boy. You knew the risks were while being here. One of them was exactly what just happened. For you to keep that much in your SR wallet, and not a software wallet, or a safer wallet is pretty much your fault. I always keep my money in my other wallet. I only put on here, how much i'm going to spend that day. You should've thought ahead.
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so to summarize
backup onion links do nothing are not active
no failover to any other server should single server under desk be powered off, taken in as evidence, blown up, or destroyed ?!
what a disappointment
yes the lack of proper backup plans, the lack of info on how SR was setup so others may continue the work, the lack of backups that can be brought online is the largest disappointment so far in this all.
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Where am I going to buy decent hash from now and will I get my $10 worth of bitcoins back?
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Everybody that has been around for a while should know backup plans were never going to be carried out as *planned*
Anyway, just logged on to ask: IS MAIN SITE UP? IS IT SAFE TO LOG IN?
ARE BACKUP BITCOIN ADDRESSE WITHDRAWLS WORKING??
I HOPE dpr wasn't operating as a total one man band, otherwise who else is there to push the red emergency button?
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This poses an interesting dilemma, let's say before Silk Road went down the Source Code in its entirety would get leaked and ( for the sake of argument ) it had no visible vulnerabilities. Would this have had any effect at all on Silk Road in terms of copycat Sites gaining any momentum? I would suspect not, the strength in Silk Road was with the Leadership, Support and Community. Now the Code itself for the web page had numerous flaws in terms of functionality and how effective it was and I highly suspect no copycat site would have been able to improve much upon it without creating something from scratch.
So realistically speaking either there is a backup which is worked upon in the background by people close to DPR or it was handled like Atlantis, ie. no trace of the Source Code was intended to be released at all after shutdown. I would be slightly surprised if it turns out it's actually the second option as that would indicate DPR did not feel the strength of the site was what I mentioned earlier.
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It seems like this thread is sticked to make fun out of us.. The big joke is stickied ""THE back up plan"" Ha ha ha ...
I still have the urge to think all this was 1 april Fool's day.. DPR the big clown making a big joke about him publicly advertising SR with his real personal name..
Sorry, no respect for this guy.. another reason i show no respect is because he wanted to ban me for doing Out of escrow deals. After having a discussion by rationally explaining why those specific out of escrow deals would only benefit him too and no one would lose, he kept insisting that the escrow was such a good system and that every coin had to go through it, and it was my 'last warning'
Well thanks for forcing me to put all my coins into your oh-so-safe-and-well escrow, you clown!
Third reason why i don't have much respect for this guy, is that he ordered a hire for murder, while he prohibited the sale of hitmen on his site. So you don't let anyone else hire hitmen, but you do use one yourself ? Is this libertism ??? I call it being a funny clown.
'The most mysterious character on the internet' well apparently not so mysterious.. I think anyone around him knowing of SR could suspect he could be DPR, with all the hints on his youtube/linkedln/facebook and what not.
It almost makes it seem like he did it all for the fame, almost wanting to get caught.
Running SR and still living in the USA ?? What the fuck ?? You should have been somewhere in the bahama's taking care of REALLY securing sr, with a back up plan, not sitting in the USA, indirectly bragging about SR on your facebook profile, and giving the SR community the illusion that you have created a back up plan and SR is very safe.
Doing jail time is not a fun thing, and you don't deserve being in jail for a long time, but you do deserve a good lesson clown boy !!!
The day you come out of jail i will Track you down to demand my 250.000 USD you clown ! Of that were 1000 coins unhedged, so expect to pay the profit too if the coins have risen in value !