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Title: Backup plans
Post by: Dread Pirate Roberts on May 04, 2013, 09:22 am
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I now have a twitter account as an emergency backup communication channel:

twitter.com/dprofsr

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Hey everyone,

Not long ago, the attacker took down these forums as well as the main site, cutting off all communication between us.  If this happens again, we need a way to stay connected.  Listed below are backup .onion URLs that we will try to host the forum at if it is unreachable from the usual url (dkn255hz262ypmii.onion).  Consider these official Silk Road URLs from now on.

If you cannot connect via these URLs as well, we'll use reddit.com/r/silkroad as a last resort.  Please spread this message far and wide so as many people that want to stay connected as we go through this dark time are able to.

Yours always,
DPR

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Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: kallekatt on May 04, 2013, 09:24 am
Subscribing - sounds like a decent plan.
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: BruceCampbell on May 04, 2013, 09:26 am
Oh shit...

/r/silkroad?

Definitely last resort. Full of noobs and children.
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: SelfSovereignty on May 04, 2013, 09:26 am
Well, the signature's good; but damn that's a lot of alternate addresses to try... apparently that's the point though, eh   :-X
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: angel555 on May 04, 2013, 09:28 am
great idea
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: worm11 on May 04, 2013, 09:30 am
So now the attacker has control over DPR's forum account.
Scary. :S
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: Dingo Ate My Drugs on May 04, 2013, 09:34 am
This isn't looking good. If DPR has released alternate forum sites, it seems like not much progress is being made in preventing the DDos attacks.
I hope I'm wrong though. I would like to see Silk Road up and running 100% very soon.
Thanks DPR and good luck to everybody who is helping fix this issue.

Dingo
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: BruceCampbell on May 04, 2013, 09:36 am
So like open every url in a tab and I guess one is the working url?
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: Rapid RX on May 04, 2013, 09:42 am
Doesn't sound like DPR.
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: PBmolly on May 04, 2013, 09:43 am
This does not sound like good news  :-\  And none of the alternative links are working that I have tried so far.
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: imghost9 on May 04, 2013, 09:44 am
This Is getting kinda scary...
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: loobaloo on May 04, 2013, 09:47 am
Subbed
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: p01yt0x on May 04, 2013, 10:06 am
At least it will show the attacker(s) that they will have plenty to do if they wanna keep up. Should be demotivating for the attacker(s) i hope.
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: geeza23 on May 04, 2013, 10:07 am
shit this isn't sounding good...hopefully all of this can be resolved soon!! keep up the work dpr and know that we are all behind you on this one!
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: Falcifer on May 04, 2013, 10:09 am
I think it was an excellent idea to create these links. Thank you so much DPR for your continued efforts to provide us with a stable environment to trade and communicate with.

I am looking forward to the improved Silk Road that arises after gaining experience from these attacks!
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: thecrackhead on May 04, 2013, 10:13 am
good to know.
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: flakesmith on May 04, 2013, 10:22 am
Subbing.
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: RaFaeL5 on May 04, 2013, 10:33 am
I know there are some alternate addresses for the main site as well...
but not as much as there are for the forum.

Could you give us a similar list of alternative url's for the main site and could that be a (temporarely) solution to keep the site up & running?

Thx 4 your efforts and continued attempts at kicking this f*c*e* out!!!
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: Galtourpa on May 04, 2013, 10:36 am
All our thoughts here are with you and the team DPR. Thank you for your efforts and please don't give up as we will not, this site means too much to us.
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: oldcactushand on May 04, 2013, 10:53 am
subbing
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: Japan1980 on May 04, 2013, 11:03 am


Could you give us a similar list of alternative url's for the main site and could that be a (temporarely) solution to keep the site up & running?

That would be nice  8)
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: dman420 on May 04, 2013, 11:21 am
thanks DPR and SR support for staying proactive and not getting discouraged, soon this will just be a rough patch in SRs long and prosperous history.
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: anonymart on May 04, 2013, 11:28 am
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Hey everyone,

Not long ago, the attacker took down these forums as well as the main site, cutting off all communication between us.  If this happens again, we need a way to stay connected.  Listed below are backup .onion URLs that we will try to host the forum at if it is unreachable from the usual url (dkn255hz262ypmii.onion).  Consider these official Silk Road URLs from now on.

If you cannot connect via these URLs as well, we'll use reddit.com/r/silkroad as a last resort.  Please spread this message far and wide so as many people that want to stay connected as we go through this dark time are able to.

Yours always,
DPR


Great Idea and even better would be to be able to do just this but with the main site.
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: Psytanium on May 04, 2013, 11:42 am
Hope this not a big scam from ur part, anw What about the database? Hope you back up for a new begining, now how we could get back our funds?
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: MangoSeason on May 04, 2013, 11:46 am
Pretty sure these are the URL's for the main site:

silkroadiplkjo7t.onion
pddqoboqqqqqbqdq.onion
bpbpoqbqdodbqbqb.onion
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: itsthecops on May 04, 2013, 11:49 am
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If you cannot connect via these URLs as well, we'll use reddit.com/r/silkroad as a last resort.  Please spread this message far and wide so as many people that want to stay connected as we go through this dark time are able to.

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SR is an unstoppable machine now.   We will hijack public infrastructure like Reddit and use it to sell drugs if this attack continues,  muhhhooooaaaa!  (Just kidding)


We are very lucky to have DPR on our side.




Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: Psytanium on May 04, 2013, 11:53 am
If this is a government attack, they will publish it with honor.
If this is a hacker attack, there must be a negotiation between the two ends, and this market will survive.

If both possibilities didn't happen, THIS WILL BE A BIG SCAM FROM DPR.

Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: oldcactushand on May 04, 2013, 12:00 pm
Find it hard to believe it could be the government. What would they publish? The fact they annoyed a bunch of people who were ultimately still able to buy and sell drugs online with impunity? Doesn't sound like the headline they'd spend so much time and money on.

Still, you never know. Maybe they're really that stupid, but I doubt it.
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: NickNack on May 04, 2013, 12:02 pm
If this is a government attack, they will publish it with honor.
If this is a hacker attack, there must be a negotiation between the two ends, and this market will survive.

If both possibilities didn't happen, THIS WILL BE A BIG SCAM FROM DPR.

So you're the hacker then?  Or do you just work for him?
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: Norfolk83 on May 04, 2013, 12:13 pm
I doubt its LE too. While this site does allow illegal trading of narcotics its much better to have us disjointed drug users sat safely behind our computers patiently waiting for our postman to deliver our goods than driving around the most dangerous of neighborhood's searching for our fixes. 

Im sure this site has helped reduce street crime and at the same time support our ailing national postal services. Its win win, but not for everyone it seems..
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: caman420 on May 04, 2013, 12:14 pm
online drug markets need to go p2p

the future is decentralized. 
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: Dingo Ate My Drugs on May 04, 2013, 12:35 pm
I doubt its LE too. While this site does allow illegal trading of narcotics its much better to have us disjointed drug users sat safely behind our computers patiently waiting for our postman to deliver our goods than driving around the most dangerous of neighborhood's searching for our fixes. 

Im sure this site has helped reduce street crime and at the same time support our ailing national postal services. Its win win, but not for everyone it seems..
LE doesn't care about what is safer for drug users. If this was t he case, drugs would be legal and could be bought at pharmacies. Quality would be controlled best this way.
They are just after removing all possible sources of drug supplies, and Silk Road is a big drug supplier so they would remove that if they could.
Police don't give a shit about drug users. They think we are criminals and horrible people and deserve to be in jail.
The truth is drug users are not criminals. Drug use harms nobody except potentially the drug user themselves.
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: oldcactushand on May 04, 2013, 12:36 pm
I doubt its LE too. While this site does allow illegal trading of narcotics its much better to have us disjointed drug users sat safely behind our computers patiently waiting for our postman to deliver our goods than driving around the most dangerous of neighborhood's searching for our fixes. 

Im sure this site has helped reduce street crime and at the same time support our ailing national postal services. Its win win, but not for everyone it seems..

It's certainly true that Silk Road would help reduce crime and make the drug industry a lot better, but this is not how the war on drugs works. It is not concerned with the health of drug users or the amount of crime they do or do not commit. It is a moral war fought basically "because drugs are bad, mkay?", and for a bunch of different and often racist reasons if you look at the history. It's hardly even fought because of that anymore, but more because nobody has the political backbone to stand up against it until they are out of power. Besides, what are you going to do with all those people who live in places where the illegal drug trade was the only viable employment opportunity? They might stop fighting for crumbs between themselves and demand actual jobs and livelihoods.

It's all about PR. Bringing down Silk Road would be amazing PR. Even though it is an utterly insignificant part of the drugs market (in economic terms), it's so hilariously brazen and is a huge fuck you to the drug war - which makes it a target.

But as I said, an attack like this makes no sense from a PR perspective. From where I'm standing, very few attacks will not conclude with the media asking "But wait, aren't there still like thousands of people still buying drugs online?" Short of catching DPR, there's not much they can make noise about that won't just make the site even more mainstream with even more users.

I do fear though, that as more and more users start to use the site, making it obvious that it cannot be stopped and is going to change the war on drugs, and it actually starts harming the PR of law enforcement (instead of being largely a non-issue as it is now), things could get messy as LE desperately lashes out in attempts to scare people away from using the site. But I don't think that will happen until basically everybody knows about the site, and at that point we've pretty much won. Or it will be the end of the postal system and the beginning of some shitty dystopia.

Ha, that was meant to be like a 4 sentence response.

Edit: Here's a promising update on just how mainstream silk road is getting. Promising if you think mainstream is a good thing, which I basically do.

CLEARNET http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/apr/18/internet-drug-dealing-survey CLEARNET

"But responses to the Global Drug Survey, an annual academic research poll with more than 7,000 UK respondents, suggest Silk Road is merely the most visible aspect of a much wider phenomenon.

Just under a third of survey respondents had heard of the Silk Road marketplace, while 14% had set up an account on the site and browsed its wares. However, only 3% said they had themselves bought and used drugs from the site – though a similar number had taken drugs a friend had bought on Silk Road.

Wider drug dealing online happens with less rigorous secrecy than the hi-tech (but hard to use) Silk Road. Instead, it relies on obscure coded listings hidden among job adverts, private sales and suspiciously cheap properties to let – "flat for rent – £60 – ask for Charlie"."
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: Psytanium on May 04, 2013, 12:40 pm
Find it hard to believe it could be the government. What would they publish? The fact they annoyed a bunch of people who were ultimately still able to buy and sell drugs online with impunity? Doesn't sound like the headline they'd spend so much time and money on.

Still, you never know. Maybe they're really that stupid, but I doubt it.

Me too i fnd it hard to be the government, i mean, in this case, they will shutdown the whole onion, at least the child pornography first. And they will celebrate this news.

But as far as can i see, life is based on similarities, i mean, tony76, lucydrop, the matrix, and many other vendors did it. They scam and start a new beginning.

Ill miss the avengers thread anw.
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: Lecide on May 04, 2013, 01:04 pm
Btw. the english is not my native language... But the whole OP sounds odd to me.

1. "Listed below are backup .onion URLs that we will try to host the forum at if it is unreachable from the usual url (dkn255hz262ypmii.onion)..." followed by "Consider these official Silk Road URLs from now on."
- So those are backup URLs for the FORUM or SR??? I did not understand this. If forum, damn why so many... How much would SR have then... Odd also that forum attack semms quite short, was not available just while, then forum maintenance page and all ok.

2. "reddit.com/r/silkroad"
- Mentioning some clearnet website... Did you saw it ever before?

Well, DPR talked about changing the structure of how people access SR.
Basically to create an address per account, so if one address gets attacked, they can just disable it.

Perhaps this is the beginning of this transition?
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: godness420 on May 04, 2013, 01:20 pm
If this is a government attack, they will publish it with honor.
If this is a hacker attack, there must be a negotiation between the two ends, and this market will survive.

If both possibilities didn't happen, THIS WILL BE A BIG SCAM FROM DPR.

why the fuck do you write that IN CAPS LOCK? do you want some fucking attention,  when you dont know shit of what you are talking about?

there are more probabilities of your mom scam us than DPR. Just fucking thank DPR for his hard work, when you are there masturbating and pressing f5 to see if SR is up or no.
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: Psytanium on May 04, 2013, 01:32 pm
Anw i found it reasonable to strat a new beginning. This place became full of riff raff.
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: godness420 on May 04, 2013, 01:35 pm
SO????

THIS IS THE END OF THE    silkroadvb5piz3r.onion    AT ALL???

There is really not a solution for this shit going on?

I was thought this is the LAST POSSIBLE thing that could be done!

With such issues, soon or later whole ONION structure can go suck totally...
What about move to I2P??? Are not better ways there to keep one WAY to get on the SILK ROAD?

do you saw DPR saying that, that link wasn't gonna work ? do you fucking read that there was no solution for this? do you have some problem in your head? why the fuck do you take conclusions , when the only thing that DPR said was "  If this happens again, we need a way to stay connected. "

is this hard to understand?


Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: BenJesuit on May 04, 2013, 01:36 pm
Any Wiccans available on this site to cast a spell against the attacker(s)?

Surely, the force can't be that strong with this/these attacker(s).


BTW, enough with the DPR scam talk. The conclusions some-a-y'all come to... *shaking head*... think it through first and you'll soon see why it doesn't make sense. Don't think like an underachiever. Think about it from the perspective of someone who created something unique and special and the pride that goes along with gaining notoriety/infamy for having done so. Understand? Good. Now think about the other possibilities and the possible motivations behind the attack.

And also look into how TOR works.

SR will return. While Rome may have fallen in a day, it certainly wasn't built in one. So a little patience. It's not like taking down Amazon and the solution is to buy new servers. The fix involves first and foremost, maintaining anonymity. Anonymity for you and most importantly whomever DPR is/are.

If you need to hit the streets to get some drugs, by all means. We'll all understand and wouldn't think less of any who did. Loyalty to Silk Road is merely that you plan to return to using it. And why wouldn't you? It's the best of the best. The original.

So don't obsess about staying "loyal" per se. At the beginning and end of the day, SR is a business. Albeit, one with a supreme ideal.

You only get street cred for claiming to stay "loyal." None of us know or can see what you're actually doing.

I bet that some of those who ardently hail staying loyal to SR are registered on Atlantis and/or BMR. Food for thought. But they too will be back to buying or selling on SR when it emerges triumphant.
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: kittenfluff on May 04, 2013, 01:42 pm
If this is a government attack, they will publish it with honor.
If this is a hacker attack, there must be a negotiation between the two ends, and this market will survive.

If both possibilities didn't happen, THIS WILL BE A BIG SCAM FROM DPR.


Not really, I think a third option is much more likely (as I said in another thread); it could be a drug-ring/crime syndicate or some such. They wouldn't want to take any responsibility, wouldn't need to extort any money, they'd only want to make SR so unstable it's unusable, thus driving buyers back to getting whatever crappy drugs they can get on their street - from traditional drug-rings...
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: Wadozo on May 04, 2013, 01:49 pm
Pretty sure these are the URL's for the main site:

silkroadiplkjo7t.onion
pddqoboqqqqqbqdq.onion
bpbpoqbqdodbqbqb.onion

For those of you wanting to know, MangoSeason is spot on. The 3 listed URL's will be used to host the SR site if the existing one has been compromised. This can be verified by looking through DPR's previous posts where he has posted a signed message all about this issue prior to the most recent attacks. :)
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: ForeverJung on May 04, 2013, 01:55 pm
Damn.
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: Qthello on May 04, 2013, 01:56 pm
Damn fo sho
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: hemolyzer on May 04, 2013, 01:59 pm
The government wouldn't publicize their DDoSing of a website because such attacks are illegal. Yes, I know that governments and law enforcement in general do all kinds of shitty and unethical things all the time but they don't blatantly come out and say "yeah, fuck you, we did that".

The attacker is most assuredly a competing black market site or just some guy who likes fucking with people and then laughing at them raging about it on the forums. (And all the death threats and such are just feeding his ego if that is the case)
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: ixor568 on May 04, 2013, 02:45 pm
Is it just me, or does anyone else get a sketchy feeling from DPR's post?
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: babyshiva999 on May 04, 2013, 02:52 pm
LE doesn't care about what is safer for drug users. If this was t he case, drugs would be legal and could be bought at pharmacies. Quality would be controlled best this way.
They are just after removing all possible sources of drug supplies, and Silk Road is a big drug supplier so they would remove that if they could.
Police don't give a shit about drug users. They think we are criminals and horrible people and deserve to be in jail.
The truth is drug users are not criminals. Drug use harms nobody except potentially the drug user themselves.

I agree wholeheartedly that LE doesn't give a shit about end user safety. However considering that the total yearly volume of sales at SR is around 20-25 million usd, it doesn't make much sense for LE to focus so many resources on attacking SR. 20 million usd is not even a drop in the ocean of the global drug trade, hell Afgan herion output is more then 500 billion per year. I don't even want to mention the multi trillion SA cocaine business that CIA is heavily involved with.

The only way it would make any sense for LE to go after SR is to make a point and end up being put on the pedestal by the MM. That's just my opinion, and I absolutely agree that we cannot completely disregard this as LE, just because it doesn't make any sense - maybe they are just trying to flex their muscles. Wouldn't be the first time, and certainly no the last.

Peace,
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: masongate on May 04, 2013, 03:00 pm
First of all I place a lot of faith in DPR and his ideals so I don't appreciate people lashing out blindly in fear. Second of all it'd be in DPR's best interest to maintain SR, not only financially but also to perpetuate the values we share as a community. SR has yet to reach its pinnacle!
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: android465764E on May 04, 2013, 03:09 pm
sub.
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: MeatMittens on May 04, 2013, 03:15 pm
All dead links  :(

And those questioning it's not DPR, it is possible though EXTREMELY unlikely. The attacks are still in the form of a DOS, so more than likely none of his passwords have been cracked. Beyond that, his PGP encryption is even less likely to be hacked, so it's still very very very unlikely.

Really shitty about the dead links though.
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: royalblue on May 04, 2013, 03:31 pm
Can't anyone read???
DPR said the links will go active IF/WHEN the forum became unreachable again.

Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: Jack N Hoff on May 04, 2013, 03:32 pm
All dead links  :(

And those questioning it's not DPR, it is possible though EXTREMELY unlikely. The attacks are still in the form of a DOS, so more than likely none of his passwords have been cracked. Beyond that, his PGP encryption is even less likely to be hacked, so it's still very very very unlikely.

Really shitty about the dead links though.

Of course they're dead.  They are BACKUP links for the FORUM if/when the forum is attacked.  They are not for the marketplace.  They are merely backup links for the forum.

Except these marketplace backups from last time,
silkroadiplkjo7t.onion
pddqoboqqqqqbqdq.onion
bpbpoqbqdodbqbqb.onion
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: MeatMittens on May 04, 2013, 03:38 pm
Of course they're dead.  They are BACKUP links for the FORUM if/when the forum is attacked.  They are not for the marketplace.  They are merely backup links for the forum.

Except these marketplace backups from last time,

They aren't all SR forum backup links:

Quote
silkroadiplkjo7t.onion
pddqoboqqqqqbqdq.onion
bpbpoqbqdodbqbqb.onion
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: F600 on May 04, 2013, 03:41 pm
Can't anyone read???
DPR said the links will go active IF/WHEN the forum became unreachable again.

Hahaha... Yea they are back up links so save them.
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: Mushman1973 on May 04, 2013, 03:46 pm
I printed out a paper copy of the backup ULRs. I still have faith in DPR and don`t think he`ll have to resort to that.
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: crackistan on May 04, 2013, 04:10 pm
Can't anyone read???
DPR said the links will go active IF/WHEN the forum became unreachable again.

Hahahahaha!

My thoughts exactly. This thread is simply a disaster plan. Those links will be active in the event of an emergency.

I think that SR should change the address to the main site or generate URLs for individuals. Lots of publicity has people all over just logging in to look. Part of the DoS is from excessive user volume.

This morning at about 0200 was when the site started working well for me. The only times I can really get in is from 0000-0400, after 0400 all the people on the east coast start waking up and logging in.

I would love multiple URLs.
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: Sensei on May 04, 2013, 04:17 pm
I would love multiple URLs.

At this point that sounds like the best idea, that really would be great.
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: i3lazd on May 04, 2013, 04:30 pm
subbed
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: Libertas on May 04, 2013, 04:34 pm
Hope this not a big scam from ur part, anw What about the database? Hope you back up for a new begining, now how we could get back our funds?

If this is a government attack, they will publish it with honor.
If this is a hacker attack, there must be a negotiation between the two ends, and this market will survive.

If both possibilities didn't happen, THIS WILL BE A BIG SCAM FROM DPR.

Me too i fnd it hard to be the government, i mean, in this case, they will shutdown the whole onion, at least the child pornography first. And they will celebrate this news.

But as far as can i see, life is based on similarities, i mean, tony76, lucydrop, the matrix, and many other vendors did it. They scam and start a new beginning.

Ill miss the avengers thread anw.

Three times in this thread you've asserted your opinion that DPR is out to scam everyone. You are, of course, entitled to your opinion.

However you fail to take a number of things into consideration; the site is currently under a DDOS attack. If it were DPR's intention to scam everyone he/she would have done so when the site was live, not allowing withdrawal of any funds at all so as users could continue depositing money and nothing could be withdrawn from the site.

DPR would not be posting updates, nor would he/she attempt to get the site back up and running - he/she would simply abscond with the Bitcoin that is in user accounts and in escrow (and there is a phenomenal amount of BTC sitting in Silk Road wallets, with users being able to withdraw when the site is live.)

If it were DPR's intention to abscond with user funds, it would have happened by now, most likely when Bitcoin were increasing in value to the $260 mark.

This is not a scam by Silk Road's founder; this is an attempt at mitigating the effects of the DDOS and preserving the free market that we all enjoy here.

Libertas
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: nbomber on May 04, 2013, 04:38 pm
Thank you, Libertas, for injecting some sense into this discussion. Also, for using the word "abscond". It's a great word.  ;D
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: onesickpuppy on May 04, 2013, 04:51 pm
I would love multiple URLs.

At this point that sounds like the best idea, that really would be great.

But how would that work? What would prevent the attacker(s) from DDos'ing those URL's also?

How about create customized .onion url for each user where the url is a derived function of the hash of user's name and the hash  of the users password. That way the attacker who is presumably a user(s)/vendor(s) here as well would be limited to DDosing only their url. Of course instructions would have to be given on how to generate a hash of one's username and password, and only people somewhat technically savvy would be able to get in...

I don't know how feasible this would be, but something has to be done until a real solution is in place.
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: Minchia on May 04, 2013, 05:01 pm
subbing
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: jagfug on May 04, 2013, 05:17 pm
The URL's probably aren't working, because the forum IS~!

They're there to be activated if, and when needed.

Also to all those who 'subbed'. - PRINT !

All the subbing in the world won't help you, if you can't get back on to see what you 'subbed' to !

- a little common sense from Uncle jag.

We'll get through this. - I survived the great Nov 2012 blackout.  8)

Those who went through that, both buyer and seller, became just a little tougher, a little wiser,  and more patient.  ;)
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: Everdred on May 04, 2013, 05:32 pm
5 pages of people talking about how "sketchy" this sounds without anyone actually verifying the signature. This message was signed with DPR's private key.
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: F600 on May 04, 2013, 05:33 pm
I printed out a paper copy of the backup ULRs. I still have faith in DPR and don`t think he`ll have to resort to that.

+1... THIS!!
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: ekoostik on May 04, 2013, 05:40 pm
This is not LE...it's Litecoin.

Stop freaking out, people! It sucks for all of us, I know, but we'll be fine.
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: norseman17 on May 04, 2013, 05:42 pm
+ 1 @ jag as a veteran of the Great November 2012 Blackout I would have to agree 100% sit tight and weather the storm..  8)
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: Tessellated on May 04, 2013, 05:44 pm
Possible technical solution:

 - Assign each users their own hidden service uri with a secret suffix: http://srgdfkgjdfdbfg.onion/bfuisdjngv
 - Have a small reverse proxy monitor a portion of hidden services each, if the request does not contain the secret suffix then drop the connection
 - If it does have the secret suffix then proxy it to the real server.

I added the secret suffix idea because there are attacks that allow you to see addresses being used on hidden services. By requiring a secret suffix you prevent them from profiling these hidden services and attacking them.

By randomly replacing servers, each time rearranging which one handles which service this would make timing attacks very difficult.

If a url starts to be attacked just tell the proxy to stop listening to them. Users would still need a password as authentication in a url is problematic.

The only issue becomes getting the secret to the users.

If the road does not manage to get back up I am going to use a similar system to continue moving my wares.
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: snickerlover6969 on May 04, 2013, 05:52 pm
Anyone else notice that as soon as site goes down the value of BTC goes up? hmmmmmm
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: jeffsandwich on May 04, 2013, 06:01 pm
Lots of people asking "if they can DDoS this url, why can't they do it to all?!", you guys are missing the point.

The attack only has a finite number of resources, and it blocks up the servers ability to respond on that IP/hostname.

As long as it isn't making the machine itself crash, opening more IP/hostnames means the attacker has to spread his resources much much thinner, and the likelihood of everyone getting online again is much more likely.

It's an annoying solution, but it's a valid one nonetheless.
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: RaFaeL5 on May 04, 2013, 06:05 pm
Pretty sure these are the URL's for the main site:

silkroadiplkjo7t.onion
pddqoboqqqqqbqdq.onion
bpbpoqbqdodbqbqb.onion

Yes, those are alternatives for the main site - but maybe (in the regard of the recent events) it might be interesting to make new URL's/other URL's for the main site...
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: Razorspyne on May 04, 2013, 06:10 pm
The 3 addies on the bottom are the old back up addies from April last year. Still can't get them to work though.

Piece, Love, and Fuck Haters.
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: Intraday Cosmonaut on May 04, 2013, 06:15 pm
i got subs on it
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: mdpro on May 04, 2013, 06:19 pm
Are these like backup methods of birth control?  That shit doesn't work either!
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: Mcrad on May 04, 2013, 06:30 pm
so should i be trying to access the road through the backup links?
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: boosties on May 04, 2013, 06:32 pm
Thanks DPR! looks like you can get on sr but it loads very slow.but can get on long enough
to do biz then get off. for now anyway.....
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: Mcrad on May 04, 2013, 06:32 pm
Thanks DPR! looks like you can get on sr but it loads very slow.but can get on long enough
to do biz then get off. for now anyway.....

cool thanks ill keep trying to get through
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: boosties on May 04, 2013, 06:36 pm
first time i got in no problem(slow) certain pages timeout but just keep re-sending
and it goes through... good luck mcrad!
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: RootZero on May 04, 2013, 06:40 pm
How about create customized .onion url

That seems like a really great idea, but generating custom .onion urls isn't as easy, they are generated from the site's private key and this creates a problem in that it takes 1 day to compute a key that would produce an url with 7 custom characters.

It all really depends on what technique the attacker is using, which DPR and team are keeping secret, very sensibly.

It could in worst case scenario be beyond their control if the attack is on the nodes that connect to the server in the final hop, thus Tor would need to patch their code for every client to fix it. I doubt this is the case here, but a future concern for all of Tor.

Its been interesting to me reading up on the Tor network and its vulnerabilities during this downtime, some good reading is available on their site, especially the tor design manual which goes into full detail but is very big!

PS A good tip is use the "Incognito Browsing" option in your account settings. It will get rid of all images and pages will load much faster when you do get in.
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: boosties on May 04, 2013, 06:50 pm
hey rootzero. where is the incognito setting located? torbutton? or vidalia control?
i cant find that setting.
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: thetopshelf on May 04, 2013, 06:55 pm
Why not host the main site on 5 URL's? is that possible?
it seems you have many onion urls...
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: RootZero on May 04, 2013, 06:58 pm
hey rootzero. where is the incognito setting located? torbutton? or vidalia control?
i cant find that setting.

It's on the site not your browser. (So you need to be logged into SR first)

Go to your Account page then Settings and tick the box and apply.
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: tommygun on May 04, 2013, 07:01 pm
subbing
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: boosties on May 04, 2013, 07:08 pm
gotcha! thanks rz! if i had realized that i woulda done it a long time ago.
doesnt matter at the moment anyway. either its really busy or the attacks are just ramping up!
got kicked back off :(
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: SpaceAce on May 04, 2013, 07:18 pm
These are trying times for sure.

We have faith in you DPR!
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: Mcrad on May 04, 2013, 07:23 pm
gotcha! thanks rz! if i had realized that i woulda done it a long time ago.
doesnt matter at the moment anyway. either its really busy or the attacks are just ramping up!
got kicked back off :(

im still here trying to get on. i was never able to. im going to try restarting my system
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: crackistan on May 04, 2013, 07:36 pm
This is not LE...it's Litecoin.

Stop freaking out, people! It sucks for all of us, I know, but we'll be fine.

Please elaborate.
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: colorblack on May 04, 2013, 07:38 pm
Thanks for this DPR.
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: SirThomasMore on May 04, 2013, 07:44 pm
We'll get through this. - I survived the great Nov 2012 blackout.  8)

Those who went through that, both buyer and seller, became just a little tougher, a little wiser,  and more patient.  ;)
+1 Jag

I was a buyer then and am a vendor now, patience here is key.  I remember thinking about how much vendors may have tied up in SR compared to me as a buyer then.  Now I'm a vendor with thousands tied up on SR and I feel just as calm and patient as I did back in November when we went through this for much longer and it seemed much more serious back then as well.

We will get through this and grow stronger from it as a community.

Stay positive everyone.  Have faith in DPR and his crew.

STM
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: Mcrad on May 04, 2013, 07:48 pm
got online:)


much love DPR!
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: snickerlover6969 on May 04, 2013, 07:51 pm
Live and is lighting fast !!
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: scout on May 04, 2013, 07:58 pm
SR just loaded faster than the forums for me!
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: PBmolly on May 04, 2013, 07:59 pm
I am in as well, Thanks DPR!
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: Mcrad on May 04, 2013, 08:00 pm
SR just loaded faster than the forums for me!

its actually running really smooth. im stoked:)
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: Mr. Fluffles Schrodinger on May 04, 2013, 08:02 pm
All our thoughts here are with you and the team DPR. Thank you for your efforts and please don't give up as we will not, this site means too much to us.
^^This  I *almost* got choked up while reading this thread. Fuck the attackers. I love this community.


And it IS faster than usual!

Fuckin eh, DPR! I love your handsome ass! :D
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: acr115 on May 04, 2013, 08:07 pm
Can't anyone read???
DPR said the links will go active IF/WHEN the forum became unreachable again.
+1
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: sl0wturtle on May 04, 2013, 08:09 pm
Yay! i can't believe im in, I wasn't expecting it to come back up this fast.

I want to make an order, but SR prices are still at the 94 weighted average. Currently the weighted average is 104 so people who also need to order, wait!
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: Mr. Fluffles Schrodinger on May 04, 2013, 08:14 pm
+1's for EVERYBODEH!!! GD I am so fucking happy right now.

(((((((((((((((((((DPRand team))))))))))))))))))))))))

Feeling LOVE!
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: darxter on May 04, 2013, 08:17 pm
site loads fine and fast here - thanks DPR !! great work!
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: ChemCat on May 04, 2013, 08:18 pm
i remember back in the early 90's when we had net wars on IRC  whole networks of servers battling eachother
taking down nickserv and chanserv with bot attacks geez...those were nutty days  LOL

Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: ThePhoenix on May 04, 2013, 08:21 pm
I am on....its slow but I am on

certain pages are lagging/hanging

I hope my VENDOR gets on soon


WHY CAN'T WE JUST USE A REDIRECT PAGE.  The attacks are trying to use the log in page to log in...lets just go around it

XXXXXXXX.onion would say would you like to go to SR? and then it takes you to a different og in page than the one being bombarded

just a thought
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: ekoostik on May 04, 2013, 08:52 pm
He's still trying to attack, so expect it to go down at some point again. Anybody else notice that the bitcoin average on SR is off?
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: ekoostik on May 04, 2013, 09:07 pm
Okay...the average is up to date now.
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: nuggets5 on May 04, 2013, 09:20 pm
Great job DPR!


I can only imagine the stress from where you are, and the high tensions when everything you built is crashing around you. You proved to be stronger than the attacker, for that I commend you. Keep it up
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: skeezoo8586 on May 04, 2013, 09:27 pm
Bacon.
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: Naloxone on May 04, 2013, 09:29 pm
Good plan DPR.

They'll need a lot of computing power to spam that many addresses. The list will be saved and hopefully never needed.
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: fatoldsun on May 05, 2013, 01:22 am
The first ~30 posts here just make me sad about all the gibbering idiots at the gates. Makes me wonder whether the whole DDoS story is just an idiot filter, and whoever gives up right away or can't understand the concept of a BACKUP can just go on ordering their drugs off Netflix.

Subbed.
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: theonion on May 05, 2013, 02:23 am
...and whoever gives up right away or can't understand the concept of a BACKUP can just go on ordering their drugs off Netflix.

Hahahaha. Netflix for drugs. Now THAT'S an idea... "Here, you can rent my drugs for as long as you like, as long as you return it and pay a monthly service fee. Oh, and only one drug at any one time"
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: fatoldsun on May 05, 2013, 03:07 am
...and whoever gives up right away or can't understand the concept of a BACKUP can just go on ordering their drugs off Netflix.

Hahahaha. Netflix for drugs. Now THAT'S an idea... "Here, you can rent my drugs for as long as you like, as long as you return it and pay a monthly service fee. Oh, and only one drug at any one time"
You're right, I didn't think that one through... I guess Netflix is only good for bongs and needles.
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: Mcrad on May 05, 2013, 03:29 am
Bacon.
BACONNNN!!!!
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: Joy on May 05, 2013, 07:01 pm
Subscribe.
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: anon69 on May 05, 2013, 08:11 pm
I've tryed some links mentioned and now they don't work, anyone knows why?
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: Squirrel on May 05, 2013, 10:30 pm
Quote
I've tryed some links mentioned and now they don't work, anyone knows why?

As stated in this and other threads, they will not be active unless primary site(s) are down.
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: Razorspyne on May 06, 2013, 01:24 am
Quote
I've tryed some links mentioned and now they don't work, anyone knows why?

As stated in this and other threads, they will not be active unless primary site(s) are down.

TY for informing me (+K) ::) I must have sped read past that and wondered why none of the links worked. ::)

Piece, Love, and Fuck Haters.
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: pine on May 06, 2013, 01:36 am

PGP signature confirmed as valid. Thanks to DPR for providing these Plan B URLs! Keep in mind guys, SR has moved before now.

--

More PGP Club tutorial time! More PGP Club propaganda! :)

More folks need to be verifying messages from SR Staff so Pine doesn't have the impression y'all relying on a passing member of PGP Club such as SS to be your savior, it is simple:

Step 1: Obtain PGP signature (for example DPR's public key has been posted on the forums several times recently and it's available on his SR user page). You need to do this *before* you think you might need to validate a sig. Sig veri is only intended to prove that the anonymous person you saw last week/month/year is the same person today, and that is all we need.

Step 2: Copy paste the signed PGP message into your PGP software editor/clipboard and click the Verify button.

Step 3: Check that the result is "Valid" or "Good". Some PGP software will kick up a fuss and say "Unknown" if you haven't signed the public key (do so locally only), but it's just the software fucking with you. If you double check that you copy & pasted correctly, and the signature still comes up as "Bad" each time, then either the OP with the signed message accidentally altered the message by accident or they are an imposter. If you get a Bad Signature, you demand a new Signature. If the OP with the signed message persistently refuses to acknowledge the result or they give a new signed message that is also Bad, then this is an imposter. An imposter is very unlikely to be able to produce a forged PGP signature but they are very likely to use social engineering (lol, don't worry you guys, no big deal blah blah blah).

Very important tip: whenever a vendor or anybody tells you they are changing their PGP public key, and you're depending on this person in any way, then you had better request a signed PGP message containing a copy of the new public key. If you don't do this, signing and verification is a complete waste of time.

--

Is it just me, or does anyone else get a sketchy feeling from DPR's post?

Doesn't sound like DPR.

Bacon.
BACONNNN!!!!

5 pages of people talking about how "sketchy" this sounds without anyone actually verifying the signature. This message was signed with DPR's private key.

Like Everdred says, the message is signed for a reason. You have to join PGP Club to learn how to validate a signature to ensure it's authentic. And DPR's message is authentic, but you shouldn't depend on SS or Pine to tell you so. Time for you to hit the books and follow the tutorial above!

Pretty sure these are the URL's for the main site:

silkroadiplkjo7t.onion
pddqoboqqqqqbqdq.onion
bpbpoqbqdodbqbqb.onion

That's right. Not supposed to work unless there is a problem.
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: skhai on May 06, 2013, 01:47 am
@pine i had no problems with PGP when i hd a PC. Now im using an oooold Mac and when i dl the PGP pkg it is a bunch of files that when i look at each none seem to have teh app , they are just confusing. Im sorry to be stupid about this, i am not usually such a n00b, but PGP for Mac has got me beat.  :(
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: pine on May 06, 2013, 05:13 am
@pine i had no problems with PGP when i hd a PC. Now im using an oooold Mac and when i dl the PGP pkg it is a bunch of files that when i look at each none seem to have teh app , they are just confusing. Im sorry to be stupid about this, i am not usually such a n00b, but PGP for Mac has got me beat.  :(

If by an old Mac you mean Leopard, I think you'll need to learn how to use the command line. Otherwise PM me and I'll send you a tutorial for Mac.
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: Wadozo on May 06, 2013, 08:36 am
@pine i had no problems with PGP when i hd a PC. Now im using an oooold Mac and when i dl the PGP pkg it is a bunch of files that when i look at each none seem to have teh app , they are just confusing. Im sorry to be stupid about this, i am not usually such a n00b, but PGP for Mac has got me beat.  :(

If by an old Mac you mean Leopard, I think you'll need to learn how to use the command line. Otherwise PM me and I'll send you a tutorial for Mac.

Perhaps another option for you is Gpg4usb. Works on all three platforms including Mac and Linux. Download it from here - http://gpg4usb.cpunk.de/download.html.  Here's a link to astor's tutorial for Gpg4usb - http://32yehzkk7jflf6r2.onion/gpg4usb/
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: C20H25N3O on May 06, 2013, 09:50 am
Thank you very much pine!

All of your posts are priceless
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: ronswanson77 on May 06, 2013, 01:04 pm
When I try to verify the message GPA is saying the key is NOT valid.  I've copied the entire message into my clipboard removed any extra spaces that may have gotten copied accidentally.  I'm sure it's something wrong on my end but it's still weird.
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: fatoldsun on May 06, 2013, 06:45 pm
When I try to verify the message GPA is saying the key is NOT valid.  I've copied the entire message into my clipboard removed any extra spaces that may have gotten copied accidentally.  I'm sure it's something wrong on my end but it's still weird.
Copy the entire text of DPR's message, including the lines starting with dashes, and paste that text, as is, into a file. Then ask your PGP program to verify the signature. Using command-line GPG, this is as simple as:
Code: [Select]
~$ gpg --verify SR-backups.txt
gpg: Signature made Sat 04 May 2013 12:19:18 PM IDT using RSA key ID 67B7FA25
gpg: Good signature from "Silk Road <staff@silkroadmarket.org>"
If your PGP program gives some message like "Can't check signature: No public key", you need to import DPR's signing key, which you can get from the SR Wiki:
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/wiki/index.php?title=Trust_and_phishing

If you don't trust the SR Wiki, you can get the key from the source itself: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/923820dcc5

Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: TurpenT on May 06, 2013, 06:51 pm
Pine is a god/dess to this forum. We are lucky to have your insight!

PS, Will you marry me?
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: pine on May 06, 2013, 08:28 pm
When I try to verify the message GPA is saying the key is NOT valid.  I've copied the entire message into my clipboard removed any extra spaces that may have gotten copied accidentally.  I'm sure it's something wrong on my end but it's still weird.

If you're using GPA, then you need to sign DPR's public key (Locally only!! Otherwise you'll upload your signature to a key server! This is the offline equivalent of updating every phone book directory in the world with legally binding evidence you know DPR's phone number. In addition this would reveal your IP address unless your copy of GPG is setup to route its communications via Tor).

So, if you go to the keychain where the big list of public keys is on the GPA, you find the public key you want to sign, and then you right click and select Sign Locally. Then verify the signed PGP text again. It shall come up as "Valid".

Edit: fatoldsun's method shall work just as well as the above. Indeed using the command line or terminal is often preferable because it always works the same way over time and there's usually no difference between different operating systems.

Edit 2: Some people are saying that the "sign locally" option isn't there in the GPA. It does exist, it just may be hidden away someplace, you'll have to hunt it down in the options somewhere. Alternatively use a less awkward piece of GPG software or use oldfatsun's method.

Different PGP implementations handle these things differently. To be honest I think this web of trust concept has been implemented poorly, it's a complete cock up from an anonymity standpoint. The designers of PGP should have been thinking about how to make the difference between "authentication use" and "anonymous use" of PGP very clear to the user, because it is not obvious in the least.

Thank you very much pine!

All of your posts are priceless

Pine is a god/dess to this forum. We are lucky to have your insight!

PS, Will you marry me?

Thanks, it's DPR and co we should all thank the most, they are working their socks off all the time doing things they won't get the credit for, but which they'll get the blame for if they don't do them. Just so you know, Pine is not clickflashwhirr and has never claimed to be in the same way Shroommeister is not a mushroom (probably).

Perhaps another option for you is Gpg4usb. Works on all three platforms including Mac and Linux. Download it from here - http://gpg4usb.cpunk.de/download.html.  Here's a link to astor's tutorial for Gpg4usb - http://32yehzkk7jflf6r2.onion/gpg4usb/

I'd love it if it worked for Mac, but I think it's still on the developer's to do list. I'll be delighted to be wrong! :)
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: LeBigMac22 on May 06, 2013, 11:07 pm
If one was to sign the keys using gpa, not locally, would they be at risk and what should they do?
and who would the IP address be revealed to exactly?
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: Mcrad on May 06, 2013, 11:08 pm
i havent done this yet.


so i import DPR's public key and sign it with my public key. then post it here?


thanks pine<3
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: SolidRain on May 06, 2013, 11:37 pm
I had 3 URL that DPR posted last year as backups in case SR went down. NONE OF THEM WORKED, so don't get to excited saving those.
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: Mcrad on May 06, 2013, 11:44 pm
so did i do this right. the key was verified as good:)



-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1


i think this is right:)
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux)


iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJRiEA1AAoJEGOBg5DwP9EOzUMH/0YfGa714mZGAlID3GNMGg3y
1TJ/dlW1bv7wrdTAPoeYzjRmDDtRZCBwKaQuvzC04QE4CHiGnuhqpMqLr2CP9kGn
zJfFNc6kiIP9agm8cv8uuqh58Rr5FpgB34APSF31QhxDhrA2cV6fU7kjzxgWNi0s
ZLA9IN0y/msWTQGlg9PAWd+/mlASBGr+sWswi1dehkx3dmmhZfopV7eRg5RKzIIj
ZM1eCeLbgTifAFi5Hb+wA5PZ1lyrohMPUQYCWaHv7HahsUph2nvB1OZQYMjeueJa
cZ6MVTlYIDtrKXyDlXnSH7F8+a/Pg3KAcu8Di+JU9+Yt1zTIqKFJuSg918z02xw=
=/ZIx
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: Libertas on May 06, 2013, 11:48 pm
I had 3 URL that DPR posted last year as backups in case SR went down. NONE OF THEM WORKED, so don't get to excited saving those.

Those URLs will only become active if the current Silk Road URL is taken down permanently. Silk Road did not 'go down' recently, it was the subject of a DDOS attack which flooded it with requests making it impossible for legitimate users to reach it.

Libertas
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: pine on May 07, 2013, 12:17 am
If one was to sign the keys using gpa, not locally, would they be at risk and what should they do?
and who would the IP address be revealed to exactly?

They could hypothetically be revealed to the FBI, DEA and rest of the alphabet mafia. I don't know if they surveil keyservers, I'm only thinking about what I would be doing in their position (it is a good thing you don't have pine as the adversary).

There are two potential dangers to your anonymity.

The signing is done by default with whatever your primary PGP private key is. If that happens to be your work related PGP key and you reuse passwords like many people, then it won't matter much if you anonymized your GPG client because if your primary PGP public key is already on a server, and you're uploading a signature (it happens in the background without you noticing it, there's no visual aid, which is a killer) to DPR's public key as part of some Web of Trust scheme, then you've associated your real identity with DPR on clearnet where anybody could look you up. The entire point of WoT is that people are associating themselves with other people they know. I think you can see how that could turn into a problem for you right there.

Now, hopefully your default public key server (every time you hear keyserver, think: PGP telephone directory) will bitch and moan and not let this happen if DPR's public key hasn't been posted on it, but why take that chance?

--

The second, more dangerous and more subtle threat is that you sign the public key without thinking much about it. Then your computer connects to the internet to your default keyserver and then attempts to upload your signature. Now, whether that works or not is irrelevant because your *real IP address* is what is connecting to the keyserver with a sig from you on DPR's public key. Again, a smart LEO would monitor the keyservers for any evidence of these things to pick people off. You can prevent this by torifying your GPG client. However you shouldn't be using WoT in the first place.

--

In short, do not sign anything unless it is local.

Keyservers can be a good idea. In fact they are very good idea. Just don't jinx yourself by accidentally falling into some dumb WoT scheme you never wanted to be involved in in the first place. As you can tell, it's a minefield for your anonymity. This is because GPG and PGP implementations have shitty designs when it comes to anonymity. Incredibly, some cypherpunks overlooked the use case in which people wanted both anonymity and encryption at the same time. This is because much like Mark Zuckerberg, they became featurewhores and also because they imagined literally everybody would be using PGP because they thought people were going to be tech savvy in the future. So those cipherpunks deserve nothing but our pity.

i havent done this yet.


so i import DPR's public key and sign it with my public key. then post it here?


thanks pine<3

Sign it locally only! And you don't post anything here at all. And you can't possibly sign a public key with your public key, but that's a different subject.

The idea was (IFF) you're using the GPA that comes with GPG4WIN then you sign the public key locally*, then you copy paste DPR's original message into the GPA Clipboard and click on "Verify". Then GPG will tell you whether the message is really from DPR or not. Note: This only really makes sense if you already had DPR's public key *before* the signed message was posted.

Alternatively open the command line or terminal and do it oldfatsun's way, which will be better for lots of people.

* Some people are saying local signing is not right there in the context menu when you right click on the list of public keys. I thought it was there as an option, but if not then root around in the options for the GPA and you're sure to find it somewhere.
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: pine on May 07, 2013, 12:29 am
so did i do this right. the key was verified as good:)



-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1


i think this is right:)
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux)


iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJRiEA1AAoJEGOBg5DwP9EOzUMH/0YfGa714mZGAlID3GNMGg3y
1TJ/dlW1bv7wrdTAPoeYzjRmDDtRZCBwKaQuvzC04QE4CHiGnuhqpMqLr2CP9kGn
zJfFNc6kiIP9agm8cv8uuqh58Rr5FpgB34APSF31QhxDhrA2cV6fU7kjzxgWNi0s
ZLA9IN0y/msWTQGlg9PAWd+/mlASBGr+sWswi1dehkx3dmmhZfopV7eRg5RKzIIj
ZM1eCeLbgTifAFi5Hb+wA5PZ1lyrohMPUQYCWaHv7HahsUph2nvB1OZQYMjeueJa
cZ6MVTlYIDtrKXyDlXnSH7F8+a/Pg3KAcu8Di+JU9+Yt1zTIqKFJuSg918z02xw=
=/ZIx
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

No, you've produced a signed PGP message. Which is a good thing to do in lots of situations, but it doesn't help you here. If I had your public key I could prove you wrote "i think this is right:)" up there, although that's not what we want right now.

PGP Signing is like PGP encryption, and PGP Verification is like PGP decryption. In other words, Signing and Verification are two halves of a whole.

In the GPA that comes with GPG4WIN, you go to the list of public keys and find DPR's public key (if you don't have it, it needs to be imported).

Then, and this is the most important part for you so pay careful attention: Find the option in the GPA that allows you to sign a key locally. When you find it, make sure you toggle it (I originally thought it was in the context menu of the GPA's key chain, but apparently not and I can't double check this right now).

Then, the second step is to copy paste DPR's PGP Signed message into the clipboard of the GPA. Then click "Verify" and view the results. That's it.

With other version of GPG, signing the public key of somebody who sent you a signed message is not necessary. I appreciate all this sounds wildly confusing at first, but pay attention and think it through and you'll get it. Then like all things, once you have it down it'll seem very easy.

Edit: Millennium Pine! Yeah! 2013 here I come! :D
 
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: Mcrad on May 07, 2013, 12:36 am
so did i do this right. the key was verified as good:)



-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1


i think this is right:)
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux)


iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJRiEA1AAoJEGOBg5DwP9EOzUMH/0YfGa714mZGAlID3GNMGg3y
1TJ/dlW1bv7wrdTAPoeYzjRmDDtRZCBwKaQuvzC04QE4CHiGnuhqpMqLr2CP9kGn
zJfFNc6kiIP9agm8cv8uuqh58Rr5FpgB34APSF31QhxDhrA2cV6fU7kjzxgWNi0s
ZLA9IN0y/msWTQGlg9PAWd+/mlASBGr+sWswi1dehkx3dmmhZfopV7eRg5RKzIIj
ZM1eCeLbgTifAFi5Hb+wA5PZ1lyrohMPUQYCWaHv7HahsUph2nvB1OZQYMjeueJa
cZ6MVTlYIDtrKXyDlXnSH7F8+a/Pg3KAcu8Di+JU9+Yt1zTIqKFJuSg918z02xw=
=/ZIx
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

No, you've produced a signed PGP message. Which is a good thing to do in lots of situations, but it doesn't help you here. If I had your public key I could prove you wrote "i think this is right:)" up there, although that's not what we want right now.

PGP Signing is like PGP encryption, and PGP Verification is like PGP decryption. In other words, Signing and Verification are two halves of a whole.

In the GPA that comes with GPG4WIN, you go to the list of public keys and find DPR's public key (if you don't have it, it needs to be imported).

Then, and this is the most important part for you so pay careful attention: Right click that public key and select "Sign Locally". Click nothing else!

Then, the second step is to copy paste DPR's PGP Signed message into the clipboard of the GPA. Then click "Verify" and view the results. That's it.

With other version of GPG, signing the public key of somebody who sent you a signed message is not necessary. I appreciate all this sounds wildly confusing at first, but pay attention and think it through and you'll get it. Then like all things, once you have it down it'll seem very easy.
 

when i right click on dpr's key (or what i thought was DPR's key) their is no sign locally option?
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: pine on May 07, 2013, 02:44 am
when i right click on dpr's key (or what i thought was DPR's key) their is no sign locally option?

Yes, it looks like I'm mistaken about the location of the sign locally option. You'll need to find it in the settings somewhere and make sure that it is toggled instead of uploading to the keyserver by default. Get back to me with its location if you can. Thanks.
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: dbelle on May 07, 2013, 10:10 pm
Right click the key and select "Sign Keys" a confirmation dialogue will appear with a checkbox "Sign only Locally"
Select this checkbox :)

You can also prevent yourself uploading anything to a public keyserver by specifying a false url in the keyserver option.

Edit->Backend preferences - On the first tab change the value of keyserver to an invalid address.

Hope this helps:)
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: pine on May 07, 2013, 10:21 pm
Right click the key and select "Sign Keys" a confirmation dialogue will appear with a checkbox "Sign only Locally"
Select this checkbox :)

Thanks dbelle, can you post us a screenshot of that dialog please (with keychain blurred out + only the GPA in view). You can achieve this with pressing the ALT+ PrintScreen button after you clicked on the GPA to bring it into focus, opening Paint in Accessories and then presssing Ctrl-V to paste. Then you can paint out the keychain and any info visible, so we just see where the dialog is.

Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: dbelle on May 08, 2013, 05:11 am
Sure, here ya go!

http://postimg.org/image/808nfewn3   ***CLEARWEB***

And where to change keyserver option:
http://postimg.org/image/syetdhwhr     ***CLEARWEB***

Enjoy :)
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: Razorspyne on May 08, 2013, 02:24 pm
No one ever says CLEARWEB ALERT anymore. ??? Are you guys cops?

Lol.

Piece, Love, and Fuck Haters.
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: theonion on May 08, 2013, 06:39 pm
Right click the key and select "Sign Keys" a confirmation dialogue will appear with a checkbox "Sign only Locally"
Select this checkbox :)

Just to clarify, that checkbox is not there by default. In order for it to show up, you have to go to Edit -> Preferences and then click on "Use Advance Mode" (it's the first checkbox). When it's checked, click Apply, or Ok, and now when you right click on a key, it'll give the option to sign it locally.

I may have overcomplicated it with this next paragraph, so if you only have one public key, feel free to skip the next paragraph of this post.

Before you do, you should check on the bottom of the main GPA window at the status bar. It will tell you what your Selected default key is. If you want to change it, go back to Edit -> Preferences and select which key you want to be your default key, and press OK. Then go back to the key you want to sign and it'll be signed with the key you have selected as default. Always look at the bottom to see which key you're about to sign it with. Even though you're signing locally, it's a good habit to get into separating different aspects of your life.

Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: pine on May 08, 2013, 09:14 pm
Thanks to dbelle and theonion for those contributions so people can sign locally without fear. Also quit trolling poor dbelle Mr Razorspyne ;)

Note: There is usually no good reason to indicate a URL is clearnet or darknet. Any "clearnet" links should be browsed with Tor just like you do with a hidden service like this one.
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: samesamebutdifferent on May 08, 2013, 10:47 pm
Sub'd
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: onionologist on May 09, 2013, 12:07 am
90% Paranoia 10% Faith.

I fall in the 10% category. Maybe...we need to work on bringing down these percentages to more of an equatable amount...50/50...40/60...

The ones who get this...you know what's up.
The ones who don't...consider yourself part of the 90%

Paranoia and healthy fear are two different things people. Be safe, but don't freak out.

Thanks DPR, PINE, Libertas, and the other MODs for keeping a level head and tolerating the ignorance with intelligence and patience.

Keep it cool peeps...

-onion-
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: LeBigMac22 on May 09, 2013, 01:40 am
Thanks for the info Pine and co.
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: Razorspyne on May 09, 2013, 04:31 am
Sure, here ya go!

http://postimg.org/image/808nfewn3   ***CLEARWEB***

And where to change keyserver option:
http://postimg.org/image/syetdhwhr     ***CLEARWEB***

Enjoy :)

 :)

Piece, Love, and Fuck Haters.
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: genghar on May 09, 2013, 04:54 am
Thanks to dbelle and theonion for those contributions so people can sign locally without fear. Also quit trolling poor dbelle Mr Razorspyne ;)

Note: There is usually no good reason to indicate a URL is clearnet or darknet. Any "clearnet" links should be browsed with Tor just like you do with a hidden service like this one.

I never understood why anybody did this in the first place.  Surely you'd be able to figure it out from it not ending with .onion, right?
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: pine on May 09, 2013, 05:55 am
Thanks to dbelle and theonion for those contributions so people can sign locally without fear. Also quit trolling poor dbelle Mr Razorspyne ;)

Note: There is usually no good reason to indicate a URL is clearnet or darknet. Any "clearnet" links should be browsed with Tor just like you do with a hidden service like this one.

I never understood why anybody did this in the first place.  Surely you'd be able to figure it out from it not ending with .onion, right?

Some people think that they're "on Tor" when they access hidden services and otherwise not. It's good to be conservative with these things if you don't know, but it is still the wrong model.

I have also talked to people who go to the other extreme and think everything is Torified if they are running the TBB e.g. torrents, regular internet browser etc. Exceptions like Liberte and Tails confuse people unintentionally.

What it comes down to I suppose, is that not everybody knows what an IP address is so they start making assumptions.

--

For the record, you're on Tor 100% of the time if you're using the TBB, whether .com or .onion, otherwise outside the Tor Browser Bundle you are not unless you explicitly configure other applications to be on Tor on your computer.

Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: TurpenT on May 10, 2013, 09:53 am
Pine- Marry me?
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: Alighier on May 11, 2013, 10:21 pm
Find it hard to believe it could be the government. What would they publish? The fact they annoyed a bunch of people who were ultimately still able to buy and sell drugs online with impunity? Doesn't sound like the headline they'd spend so much time and money on.

Still, you never know. Maybe they're really that stupid, but I doubt it.

Dunno if cactus hand will read this, but it probably is government.  Sure, there's a bunch of white hat freaks AGAINST SR, but let's think of it this way...   An attack of this magnitude and consistency would certainly require more than a couple of servers sending out denial of service attacks.  I'd be willing to wager 20 would still be a nuisance.  A couple of code junkies could hardly be this accurate I'm sure.

No government would be blatant enough to advertize this unless I'm absolutely wrong about them being the cause.  But we practically see some gov's signature all over this.  Never mind the fact tor was developed by the Navy Seals...

Anyway, just my two cents.
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: Strickland Cocaine on May 15, 2013, 04:48 am
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Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: LesbianRobot on May 16, 2013, 02:02 am
what the hell is going on? :/
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: sasha0785 on May 18, 2013, 10:47 am
Thank you DPR Long Live SilkRoad :)
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: ozzybattla on May 27, 2013, 01:00 pm
Bumping so I'm subscribed. Long live SR.
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: theman22 on May 27, 2013, 02:53 pm
in just incaseers
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: lilith2u on May 27, 2013, 11:36 pm
the links didn't work in the last downtime. i tried and got the same message for some reason. :/
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: phoboss on June 01, 2013, 03:42 am
Just wanted to commend you again DPR as those url seemed to have baffled the buffoon cheers bro you done good thumbs up all the way
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: maybejustonce on June 01, 2013, 05:38 pm
subbed
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: bluecashew70 on June 02, 2013, 02:47 pm
subscribed
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: CHIU on June 03, 2013, 05:15 am
Backup URLs is a great idea.

Long life to SR.
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: cannaloverpopper on June 09, 2013, 01:48 am
SUB SCRIBED
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: burgarsenator on June 09, 2013, 11:28 am
Confusing
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: cannaloverpopper on June 10, 2013, 01:02 am
what is confusing? :/
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: thegoodgirl82 on June 11, 2013, 05:09 pm
Great idea thanks DPR   ;D
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: Gridlock on June 15, 2013, 06:49 am
Subbed...  8)
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: bo bo on June 17, 2013, 08:30 pm
I dont understand either?  :-\
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: jnemonic on June 24, 2013, 03:12 am
I cant believe people are trying the links....? ???

Ha ha DPR must be laughing his arse off right now...like i am.
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: Papydoll on July 05, 2013, 11:06 pm
I cant believe people are trying the links....? ???

Ha ha DPR must be laughing his arse off right now...like i am.

 ;D

these are backup links  !

Listed below are backup .onion URLs that we will try to host the forum at if it is unreachable from the usual url

big up to the team I wish a long life to SR



Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: Papydoll on July 05, 2013, 11:07 pm
I cant believe people are trying the links....? ???

Ha ha DPR must be laughing his arse off right now...like i am.

 ;D

pretty funny indeed !

Listed below are backup .onion URLs that we will try to host the forum at if it is unreachable from the usual url

big up to the team I wish a long life to SR
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: GotGas on July 16, 2013, 12:34 am
sub
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: Garrincha on July 18, 2013, 07:39 pm
Sorry to sound like a PC layman, but how can you bookmark all these alternate URLs without having to go through every link individually?  :-[
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: WatLanBoon on August 08, 2013, 06:38 am
All backup sites are down also?
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: National Direct on August 08, 2013, 06:43 am
All backup sites are down also?

Yes, theyre forum backups; not SR main.
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: Totalpay on August 09, 2013, 04:32 am
Thats alot of fucking back up. lol
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: oddthomas on August 09, 2013, 04:23 pm
whaat confused too. Get the whole its backup. Why all the subscribed business
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: odd on August 10, 2013, 01:56 pm
i am also confused about the subscribing buisness what are we subscribing to and how?
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: GotGas on August 11, 2013, 06:49 am
whaat confused too. Get the whole its backup. Why all the subscribed business

i am also confused about the subscribing buisness what are we subscribing to and how?

Replying saves it in your updated topics. Just so we know if plans change ;)
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: odd on August 11, 2013, 12:03 pm
Thanks GG I thought that might be the case i just wanted to make sure i wasn't missing something Thanks for the quick reply.
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: GoodShitExplorer on August 13, 2013, 04:23 am
Checking-in
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: M n P Stuff on August 14, 2013, 10:09 pm
High Pine-ee!  :-*

Mom
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: Sheeplog on August 15, 2013, 11:30 pm
Hey guys. Sheep here.  :D
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: trabsh on August 16, 2013, 04:06 pm
sub
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: Pwnedurmoma1 on August 21, 2013, 09:25 pm
*elderly southern woman voice* Oh mah gravy stars, that is a lot of backups, maybe everyone who knows how to DDOS should hack em back, i dont get why you would attack SR though, unless you dont want anyone else to enjoy online drugs...
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: Floor87 on August 30, 2013, 08:20 am
sub'd thanks dpr
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: Garrincha on August 30, 2013, 08:27 pm
Hey there!  8)
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: goblin on September 02, 2013, 10:49 pm
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

I now have a twitter account as an emergency backup communication channel:

twitter.com/dprofsr

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32)

iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJR6WQ9AAoJEAIiQjtnt/olGXQIAJ0U1ImHH0kf5yEpMpPoF3W9
YA83YC8Rf8aE+AJ/V//eZ4A4546PiQFA5jWZkwA8whm9aw7vlTcwYWvEZb4OAXXQ
RT24fH7SaxnWLMOkAoSinTtaFbyl1+n3nFzvOECT1nGxUD8tD9X/rm/f2SHWXSvS
M/das5xYD6PXVhHXzTn+o8/RnVAwTpiF6Nwlg/c4wtqIqlWwg/OKlCYI9sk7BDCB
QgKb69InMlml4UabL18jiW0r20ug3zxAzN9FVt+LFv2BrKrtP4SIWsqJe/tU4KEd
AUrp6R0pYimACgARMMrvrRFuSCKJhIAtJqv6McfVrSbbbQ14TE8UN5VmyTmmJiY=
=GSMY
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
A twitter account? What with all the talk of twitter collectijng and giving any and all accont info to the NSA? IS that smart or very stupid? Soprry, DPR, but I have to call them as I see them.

And what happened to the reddit page? I was expecting you to show up there to try to explain what was happeniong since yesterday. None of the black markets (BMR, Atlantis) were online today. Talk of tor botnets and who knows what else.

What has been happening??? What are your safeguards, plans?

goblin

Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: killerblackman on September 04, 2013, 01:07 am
reporting for duty!
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: codiedog on September 04, 2013, 01:58 pm
 ???
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: basia1100 on September 04, 2013, 03:38 pm
Cannot connect to the road .  Is there another link or is it normal to have silk road off but the forum active ?

B 8)
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: omnibionta on September 04, 2013, 09:41 pm
This not related to SR, the current issue.

I have had a lot of issues to keep a steady connection to whatever .onion website for the last two hours, while visiting clearnet sites via Tor worked.

At some point I got a page with a yellow background and something the size of a banner on top, without anything in it.

I had this issue on 3 different .onion names.

For whatever reason (my two cents) it appears that the .onion lookup is going wrong.





Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: Garrincha on September 04, 2013, 11:31 pm
I had a few problems the last couple of days connecting to onion websites but it seems ok at the moment.
Is it true that Tor is under attack?
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: FirePharmacy on September 11, 2013, 11:01 pm
I just tried to follow DPRofSR on Twitter to make sure we stay connected, but when I tried to follow this user name, Twittter denied it stating"This account has been suspended".   Perhaps DPR could send venders a message on the SR site with a more incognito Twitter user name that may stay under the radar enough to avoid unnecessary attention to ensure we stay connected in the face of another "attack"?   Just an idea.  Maybe posting the user name on the forum may have left it vulnerable and at risk for serving it's purpose?  It's been quite difficult to stay connected in light of the slowing of TOR, and it's really got me thinking about a functional backup plan.  Just trying to be proactive to make sure and stay connected.
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: Dingo Ate My Drugs on September 13, 2013, 10:22 am
I just tried to follow DPRofSR on Twitter to make sure we stay connected, but when I tried to follow this user name, Twittter denied it stating"This account has been suspended".   Perhaps DPR could send venders a message on the SR site with a more incognito Twitter user name that may stay under the radar enough to avoid unnecessary attention to ensure we stay connected in the face of another "attack"?   Just an idea.  Maybe posting the user name on the forum may have left it vulnerable and at risk for serving it's purpose?  It's been quite difficult to stay connected in light of the slowing of TOR, and it's really got me thinking about a functional backup plan.  Just trying to be proactive to make sure and stay connected.
I hope you didn't use your personal twitter account and logged in on TOR?
Otherwise it will not look good for you.
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: Winky Doodle on September 13, 2013, 02:33 pm
Haha, a twitter account, that's awesome. That'd be funny as shit if you got verified.


Btw I always thought your avatar was a blind man holding a cane until just now lol.
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: FirePharmacy on September 14, 2013, 06:46 pm
I hope you didn't use your personal twitter account and logged in on TOR?
Otherwise it will not look good for you.

No Dingo - I'm way more secure than that!    Yikes I would assume most people here know better!  I have never used Twitter and probably never will.  I'm amazed at all the rediculous updates people post.   For the past week or so it's been very hard some days to log onto SR, so I just thought I'd follow DPR's advise and be prepared in case of another attack.
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: supershred on September 19, 2013, 09:47 am
So what exactly do vendors need to be doing at this point? I also cleared my mail before copying the unique code given in the personal message, is there a way to find mine out again? Thanks!
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: Yoda on September 19, 2013, 10:07 am
So what exactly do vendors need to be doing at this point? I also cleared my mail before copying the unique code given in the personal message, is there a way to find mine out again? Thanks!

Huh?  Sounds like you're getting phished.
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: supershred on September 19, 2013, 10:18 am
I got a personal message with everything it says on the first page here but it also mentioned a personalized code of some sort that I should keep on me - can't remember off the top of my head who its from but mentioned Bitcoins. I think maybe someone is taking advantage of the situation and trying to get people to "backup" their Bitcoins to a scammers wallet.
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: Yoda on September 19, 2013, 10:26 am
I got a personal message with everything it says on the first page here but it also mentioned a personalized code of some sort that I should keep on me - can't remember off the top of my head who its from but mentioned Bitcoins. I think maybe someone is taking advantage of the situation and trying to get people to "backup" their Bitcoins to a scammers wallet.

Yeah... I personally wouldn't trust that msg so much.
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: psychoknot on September 20, 2013, 04:28 pm
subbed.
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: BTCB on September 21, 2013, 06:22 am
is cmail a bad idea?
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: PsychedelicSphere on September 24, 2013, 12:07 am
I take a few months off from drug use and I come back to this....


FUUUCKKK

I shoulda stocked up on LSD and DMT.

Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: ILikeYou on October 02, 2013, 03:36 pm
ruh roh
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: gman00 on October 02, 2013, 04:26 pm
postin to keep eye on this ;)
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: WatLanBoon on October 02, 2013, 04:28 pm
BMR - 5onwnspjvuk7cwvk.onion/index.php?p=viewUserListings&id=138212 

i thought this was supposed to be bulletproof....
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: jamon-one on October 02, 2013, 04:31 pm
I take a few months off from drug use and I come back to this....


FUUUCKKK

I shoulda stocked up on LSD and DMT.
  double fuuuuuuuuuuuuuck i took  2 years off of h and got one buy in and that is it? tell me it ain't so... i have no one here on street for it.
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: jamon-one on October 02, 2013, 04:33 pm
I just tried to follow DPRofSR on Twitter to make sure we stay connected, but when I tried to follow this user name, Twittter denied it stating"This account has been suspended".   Perhaps DPR could send venders a message on the SR site with a more incognito Twitter user name that may stay under the radar enough to avoid unnecessary attention to ensure we stay connected in the face of another "attack"?   Just an idea.  Maybe posting the user name on the forum may have left it vulnerable and at risk for serving it's purpose?  It's been quite difficult to stay connected in light of the slowing of TOR, and it's really got me thinking about a functional backup plan.  Just trying to be proactive to make sure and stay connected.
  dpr is in jail folks.
I hope you didn't use your personal twitter account and logged in on TOR?
Otherwise it will not look good for you.
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: PartTimeFiend on October 02, 2013, 04:42 pm
Yowzers... that was a shock opening up the SR and seeing the FBI page: "THIS HIDDEN SITE HAS BEEN SEIZED".   Let's hope the back up plans are solid...  although it's hard to imagine people ever using the SR again with the same level of confidence.  If/when it makes a come back, I'm going to be somewhat paranoid submitting my postal address(s) to the orders page....  a bit like when I placed my first ever order!

Not particularly confident about using BMR or this Sheep site....  hmmmmmmmmmmm!   

Follow DPR on Twitter....   REALLY????!!!
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: xxconnectxx on October 02, 2013, 04:51 pm
what backup plans???

Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: GreenPEAs on October 02, 2013, 05:06 pm
BTC were supposed to be released by a dead man switch or some similar type of shit to emergency addresses in this event.

The other backup sites I believe were just to deal with the hackers... not the feds.
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: flwrchlds9 on October 02, 2013, 06:23 pm
Do not believe coming back up. Check OPSEC topic.

Seize of Tormail and other events could see this possible coming however.
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: supershred on October 02, 2013, 06:28 pm
So for everyone who had BTC sitting in there SR wallet, all just gone?  :'(

I swear I was 10 min away from selling mine, now nothing - very sad day.
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: Devil Weed Seeds on October 02, 2013, 06:46 pm
Ya, I would say it's gone.
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: zxy on October 02, 2013, 07:11 pm
Can anyone confirm whether they had an emergency backup BTC address linked to their account, and if coins have been sent?
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: supershred on October 02, 2013, 07:18 pm
No emergency one for me, was concerned about it linking to another. I was just 10 min away from withdrawing $4k, feel like such an idiot - feel sorry for anyone else who had BTC tied up in SR alone and have now lost it, someone else had lost $8k.

Ah well, live and learn - will be supporting SR's predecessor and playing it extra safe every step of the way, hope a miracle comes for him and us following his arrest.
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: ripplingwalls on October 02, 2013, 07:30 pm
i had about 270 usd in there....im assuming its gone right? damn. and i was waiting on some shit too FUCK
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: Mcrad on October 02, 2013, 09:33 pm
Well I hope SR isn't down forever:/


Going to look into BMR as a backup.

Much love_mcrad
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: M364M1ND on October 02, 2013, 10:29 pm
i had 200+ left from a 2k deposit earlier in the summer. So I will consider myself lucky...sad this went down (it was only a matter of time), but fortunate non the less
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: kronik42088 on October 02, 2013, 11:57 pm
message to LE

go suck a goat
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: RR on October 03, 2013, 02:15 am
absolute last case scenario back up forum we wont go down and we will need t6o keep in contact until silk road staff come up with a plan. please you may register but no posting unless the forums vanish

http://6zyze2mkwyla7jwe.onion/silkroad/backup/
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: tungsten on October 03, 2013, 05:18 am
BTC should come back. One could argue that they were doing nothing illegal and used the site to purchase legal goods and services.
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: MushGoo on October 03, 2013, 10:08 am
BTC should come back. One could argue that they were doing nothing illegal and used the site to purchase legal goods and services.

Maybe, but if they have access to the servers, they can look up your past transactions to see if you'd ever bought something illegal... right?
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: MushGoo on October 03, 2013, 10:13 am

As soon as I posted that, I realized that you're probably talking about them having to release the funds as a preliminary measure, not as a result of anyone literally arguing that they didn't purchase anything illegal...


Love, Love, Love!
MushGoo
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: The Godfather on October 03, 2013, 01:30 pm
Whats up people,

I am looking for someone who knows how to write the code for another anonymous website. I have a dedicated server that has the ability to run TOR services on it. I am an experienced IT engineer and know how to run operations such as these completely anonymously. However, my knowledge of website coding is limited and integrating Bitcoin is a bit too technical for me to figure out in such a short space of time.

Basically the software will need to run just as SR did with a few variations for security reasons. The coder and myself will never know who the other person is to keep our own anonymity safe.

Anyone who could do this, inbox me and we can start discussing. PLEASE, only people really capable of doing this, I don't want time-wasters.

Why should you do this?
- You will be 100% protected because I will not know who you are, therefore, if I do get caught, you won't. You run NO risk
- This planet needs a place like SR!!!
- For the love of the SR community!!!

Cheers
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: gwendlesphere on October 03, 2013, 04:26 pm
I am an experienced IT engineer and know how to run operations such as these completely anonymously. However, my knowledge of website coding is limited and integrating Bitcoin is a bit too technical for me to figure out in such a short space of time

An IT engineer that doesn't know about website coding.

Hey cool, um my name is Jeremy Bliar I live in 46 Bender Avenue, Pissfuckcuntshit Province of Rectum Island.

My phone number is 1800-PISS-IN-MY-ASSHOLE

Cant wait to discuss!
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: TrippinOnHunger on October 03, 2013, 04:56 pm
Whats BMR?

And i had some money in there too.. made an order of mesculine about 2 days ago.. i hope that shit shipped!  ugh i need my psychedelics wtf...
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: Libertas on October 03, 2013, 05:42 pm
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I reached out to backopy over on BMR and he has very kindly created a section for us on the BMR forums.

Please bookmark it as soon as possible, and I hope to see you all over there soon should things go south over here.

http://fec33nz6mhzd54zj.onion/viewforum.php?id=29

Libertas
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Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: Trappy on October 03, 2013, 07:06 pm
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I reached out to backopy over on BMR and he has very kindly created a section for us on the BMR forums.

Please bookmark it as soon as possible, and I hope to see you all over there soon should things go south over here.

http://fec33nz6mhzd54zj.onion/viewforum.php?id=29

Libertas
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That was very nice of Backopy to give us a refugee camp.
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: Cornelius23 on October 03, 2013, 09:00 pm
An IT engineer that doesn't know about website coding.

They do exist. I know plenty of them :)
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: Happyman on October 03, 2013, 09:17 pm
Is this guy for real or what?

http://6zyze2mkwyla7jwe.onion/silkroad/backup/

by the way die in hell Libertas, you cunt.  you are destroying all of DPR clever plan, shame on you
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: Cailieg on October 03, 2013, 09:55 pm
Can I ask why the hostility towards Libertas?

I guess I missed something.

As for the link, yea apparently they are serious, but to be honest its pretty much a nothing going on location at this time. Who knows, if it is indeed, as was claimed, something that sprang out of the dev roudtable forum, then more power to him if something good comes of it.

The angry posts just had me baffled and I am certain they came from somewhere, so I asked.

Cheers.
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: Libertas on October 03, 2013, 11:20 pm
Can I ask why the hostility towards Libertas?

I guess I missed something.

As for the link, yea apparently they are serious, but to be honest its pretty much a nothing going on location at this time. Who knows, if it is indeed, as was claimed, something that sprang out of the dev roudtable forum, then more power to him if something good comes of it.

The angry posts just had me baffled and I am certain they came from somewhere, so I asked.

Cheers.

I am also puzzled as to where the hostility may be coming from but to be frank I don't have the time nor the inclination at the moment to care. There are much bigger issues to address.

Libertas
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: Cornelius23 on October 03, 2013, 11:39 pm
And thank you, Libertas, for addressing them.
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: IForgotMyFuckingPassword on October 04, 2013, 12:10 am
I am an experienced IT engineer and know how to run operations such as these completely anonymously. However, my knowledge of website coding is limited and integrating Bitcoin is a bit too technical for me to figure out in such a short space of time

Pissfuckcuntshit Province of Rectum Island.


You wouldn't happen to be a Vonnegut fan would you?
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: subtickle on October 04, 2013, 11:10 am
Libetas many thanks for hanging around. You seem to be the only Mod who's stuck around and that is very much appreciated.

People are stressed and taking it out on the wrong folks.

Regards
ST
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: Kiwikiikii on October 04, 2013, 02:09 pm
you lying faggot wannabe pirate where the fuck is my backup wallet?! I lost $50k to u, better hope they lock you up.
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: beefy on October 04, 2013, 02:40 pm
^That's a harsh thing to say. You're a big boy. You knew the risks were while being here. One of them was exactly what just happened. For you to keep that much in your SR wallet, and not a software wallet, or a safer wallet is pretty much your fault. I always keep my money in my other wallet. I only put on here, how much i'm going to spend that day. You should've thought ahead.
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: Radius2000 on October 04, 2013, 04:55 pm
^That's a harsh thing to say. You're a big boy. You knew the risks were while being here. One of them was exactly what just happened. For you to keep that much in your SR wallet, and not a software wallet, or a safer wallet is pretty much your fault. I always keep my money in my other wallet. I only put on here, how much i'm going to spend that day. You should've thought ahead.

Agree completely with this... having that much stored on SR was a very fucking stupid thing to do. He only has himself to blame. We all knew this could (and would) happen sooner or later, and it's not as if DPR has taken his money... if he really doesn't see how it's his own fault then  instead of being pissed off at DPR he should blame the DEA.
Title: NO backup at all ?!
Post by: DPR conspiracy on October 04, 2013, 09:36 pm
so to summarize
backup onion links do nothing are not active
no failover to any other server should single server under desk be powered off, taken in as evidence, blown up, or destroyed ?!

what a disappointment
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: Cornelius23 on October 04, 2013, 11:27 pm
^That's a harsh thing to say. You're a big boy. You knew the risks were while being here. One of them was exactly what just happened. For you to keep that much in your SR wallet, and not a software wallet, or a safer wallet is pretty much your fault. I always keep my money in my other wallet. I only put on here, how much i'm going to spend that day. You should've thought ahead.

+1
Title: Re: NO backup at all ?!
Post by: flwrchlds9 on October 04, 2013, 11:44 pm
so to summarize
backup onion links do nothing are not active
no failover to any other server should single server under desk be powered off, taken in as evidence, blown up, or destroyed ?!

what a disappointment

yes the lack of proper backup plans, the lack of info on how SR was setup so others may continue the work, the lack of backups that can be brought online is the largest disappointment so far in this all.
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: mc on October 05, 2013, 12:03 am
Where am I going to buy decent hash from now and will I get my $10 worth of bitcoins back?
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: gunhit on October 05, 2013, 06:57 am
Everybody that has been around for a while should know backup plans were never going to be carried out as *planned*

Anyway, just logged on to ask: IS MAIN SITE UP? IS IT SAFE TO LOG IN?
ARE BACKUP BITCOIN ADDRESSE WITHDRAWLS WORKING??

I HOPE dpr wasn't operating as a total one man band, otherwise who else is there to push the red emergency button?
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: Burning Babylon on October 05, 2013, 10:04 pm
This poses an interesting dilemma, let's say before Silk Road went down the Source Code in its entirety would get leaked and ( for the sake of argument ) it had no visible vulnerabilities. Would this have had any effect at all on Silk Road in terms of copycat Sites gaining any momentum? I would suspect not, the strength in Silk Road was with the Leadership, Support and Community. Now the Code itself for the web page had numerous flaws in terms of functionality and how effective it was and I highly suspect no copycat site would have been able to improve much upon it without creating something from scratch.

So realistically speaking either there is a backup which is worked upon in the background by people close to DPR or it was handled like Atlantis, ie. no trace of the Source Code was intended to be released at all after shutdown. I would be slightly surprised if it turns out it's actually the second option as that would indicate DPR did not feel the strength of the site was what I mentioned earlier.
Title: Re: Backup plans
Post by: ItalianMafiaBrussels on October 06, 2013, 12:14 am
It seems like this thread is sticked to make fun out of us.. The big joke is stickied ""THE back up plan"" Ha ha ha ...

I still have the urge to think all this was 1 april Fool's day.. DPR the big clown making a big joke about him publicly advertising SR with his real personal name..


Sorry, no respect for this guy.. another reason i show no respect is because he wanted to ban me for doing Out of escrow deals. After having a discussion by rationally explaining why those specific out of escrow deals would only benefit him too and no one would lose, he kept insisting that the escrow was such a good system and that every coin had to go through it, and it was my 'last warning'

Well thanks for forcing me to put all my coins into your oh-so-safe-and-well escrow, you clown!

Third reason why i don't have much respect for this guy, is that he ordered a hire for murder, while he prohibited the sale of hitmen on his site. So you don't let anyone else hire hitmen, but you do use one yourself ? Is this libertism ??? I call it being a funny clown.

'The most mysterious character on the internet' well apparently not so mysterious.. I think anyone around him knowing of SR could suspect he could be DPR, with all the hints on his youtube/linkedln/facebook and what not.

It almost makes it seem like he did it all for the fame, almost wanting to get caught.

Running SR and still living in the USA ?? What the fuck ?? You should have been somewhere in the bahama's taking care of REALLY securing sr, with a back up plan, not sitting in the USA, indirectly bragging about SR on your facebook profile, and giving the SR community the illusion that you have created a back up plan and SR is very safe.

Doing jail time is not a fun thing, and you don't deserve being in jail for a long time, but you do deserve a good lesson clown boy !!!

The day you come out of jail i will Track you down to demand my 250.000 USD you clown ! Of that were 1000 coins unhedged, so expect to pay the profit too if the coins have risen in value !