Silk Road forums
Discussion => Philosophy, Economics and Justice => Topic started by: BarryBarron on February 11, 2013, 07:10 pm
-
Food, being necessary for the general health and wellbeing of individuals within any given society, should be provided free at the point of delivery.
The costs of this would be met through general taxation and the government would be ultimately responsible for the production, quality control and distribution of said foodstuffs.
The government would be able to outsource parts of the operation to other organizations/companies as necessary, but the government would exercise complete control over policy, procedure and all other conceivable aspects of the distribution of food.
Why should we accept that the rich dine on the finest cuisine known to man while the rest of us are stuck with food that can barely nourish an infant?
Having the government create a department that will undertake the management of the production and distribution of food will make sure everyone can have a decent meal, even the poorest among us. Let's call it the "National Food Service".
Never again will we unknowingly eat horse labelled as beef .
No one will go hungry.
No one will eat too much.
Everyone's happy. Win.Win.Win.
No?
Discuss.
-
America could benifit from this! ::) There would be a lot less morbidly fat fucks waddling around ;D
-
I'm not rich.. but 50% or more of my meals are organic, i dont eat processed food at all, and would never spend my money at shitty d's or subway ect.. One pet peeve of mine are 'hippy hipsters' who don't walk the talk and eat shit like taco bell, or something from kraft, or 'united fruit company'.
Trusting the government to do anything pro health for it's citizens is to go against the history of the american government.. Anyways, we have the ebt card system set up in the states; -damn near every one in the trailer parks or projects use or know some family who has one. people are too uneducated to buy healthy food, and too ignorant not to buy big label gmo processed type foods. by design of course. The government won't make any moves which don't make someone connected to them, a lot of shady money.
it seems common sense that those who run the United States corporation use conflict to make money off the people, if they don't feed us garbage the 'health care' industry would go bankrupt, and stupid fucks with high blood sugar drugged by all of phizers medication may actually be able to form clear thoughts and lead a fairly healthy life without 100x health issues.
we should 'can' our own fresh food, and use our gardens or a community garden to eat year round.. to not be in control of what we eat seems a bit.. inhuman. Instead of living and experiencing shit, most let the t.v. do it for them.. Doing life is far more entertaining than watching life inside box.. yo, i'm already planning my organic spring/summer garden and i know how to can food. the government still mandate fluoride in water... they don't give a fuck about the people. They'd rather make a profit from the slow death of their fellow human than to live like their fellow man.
-
I'm not rich.. but 50% or more of my meals are organic, i dont eat processed food at all, and would never spend my money at shitty d's or subway ect.. One pet peeve of mine are 'hippy hipsters' who don't walk the talk and eat shit like taco bell, or something from kraft, or 'united fruit company'.
Trusting the government to do anything pro health for it's citizens is to go against the history of the american government.. Anyways, we have the ebt card system set up in the states; -damn near every one in the trailer parks or projects use or know some family who has one. people are too uneducated to buy healthy food, and too ignorant not to buy big label gmo processed type foods. by design of course. The government won't make any moves which don't make someone connected to them, a lot of shady money.
it seems common sense that those who run the United States corporation use conflict to make money off the people, if they don't feed us garbage the 'health care' industry would go bankrupt, and stupid fucks with high blood sugar drugged by all of phizers medication may actually be able to form clear thoughts and lead a fairly healthy life without 100x health issues.
we should 'can' our own fresh food, and use our gardens or a community garden to eat year round.. to not be in control of what we eat seems a bit.. inhuman. Instead of living and experiencing shit, most let the t.v. do it for them.. Doing life is far more entertaining than watching life inside box.. yo, i'm already planning my organic spring/summer garden and i know how to can food. the government still mandate fluoride in water... they don't give a fuck about the people. They'd rather make a profit from the slow death of their fellow human than to live like their fellow man.
Interesting reading Lucius. Too few people take care with what they eat. I'm one of them ::)
I was hoping someone would explain why my proposal would not work.
I am convinced that if in 1948 with the founding of the NHS the UK gov also created this National Food Service in a similar manner, arguments that it could be privatized would be met with the retort:
Well How Else Would I Get My Ration Pack??
-
I would be very against the government being in complete control of my food. While I'm sure we are all aware and agree that government is the paragon of efficiency, a slight fuck-up in the bureaucracy could leave a family, a city, a state, or some other region without food. Nothing that is essential to life should be anywhere near the control of the government; I don't want them deciding when I eat or when I starve.
-
Having the government create a department that will undertake the management of the production and distribution of food will make sure everyone can have a decent meal, even the poorest among us. Let's call it the "National Food Service".
Probably not going to get a warm reception around here, what with all the libertarians, agorists and anrachists in atte4ndance.
-
Having the government create a department that will undertake the management of the production and distribution of food will make sure everyone can have a decent meal, even the poorest among us. Let's call it the "National Food Service".
Probably not going to get a warm reception around here, what with all the libertarians, agorists and anrachists in atte4ndance.
Do you support my proposal?
-
Why exactly is fluoride in the water a bad thing? Do you have any idea how many people were toothless with brittle bones before we started doing that? If you ingest too much fluoride, the increased bone density starts becoming a problem. Your teeth get all weird and your bones get gnarly and misshapen. But a little fluoride is good for you. It's in your toothpaste too, because topically it's almost impossible to get too much of it and it still helps. There's a real problem with osteoporosis in the female population of America -- it would be much worse without fluoride in the water.
Sometimes the human body functions better in the presence of a foreign molecule. I'm sorry, but it's true. I've never seen a long term study that says anything about the bad effects of very minor fluoride intake.
I also thing organic vegetables is the way to go. Here's a question for you though: what does organic mean in America? I mean do you actually know the guidelines that a company is required to follow in order to call their food "organic?" In the US, something that's only 95% organic can be labeled as "organic." Now I'm sure that depends on how you interpret 5%, but I certainly hope it doesn't mean that something that's only 5% pesticides can be called organic... ::)
-
Why exactly is fluoride in the water a bad thing? Do you have any idea how many people were toothless with brittle bones before we started doing that? If you ingest too much fluoride, the increased bone density starts becoming a problem. Your teeth get all weird and your bones get gnarly and misshapen. But a little fluoride is good for you. It's in your toothpaste too, because topically it's almost impossible to get too much of it and it still helps. There's a real problem with osteoporosis in the female population of America -- it would be much worse without fluoride in the water.
Sometimes the human body functions better in the presence of a foreign molecule. I'm sorry, but it's true. I've never seen a long term study that says anything about the bad effects of very minor fluoride intake.
I also thing organic vegetables is the way to go. Here's a question for you though: what does organic mean in America? I mean do you actually know the guidelines that a company is required to follow in order to call their food "organic?" In the US, something that's only 95% organic can be labeled as "organic." Now I'm sure that depends on how you interpret 5%, but I certainly hope it doesn't mean that something that's only 5% pesticides can be called organic... ::)
Fluorinating the entire water supply, without any long term studies of the risks is not a good thing.
It's like what they do to cattle - mass inoculations & adding antibiotics to their feed.
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/features/fluoride-childrens-health-grandjean-choi/
They then analyzed possible associations with IQ measures in more than 8,000 children of school age; all but one study suggested that high fluoride content in water may negatively affect cognitive development.
Some studies suggested that even slightly increased fluoride exposure could be toxic to the brain. Thus, children in high-fluoride areas had significantly lower IQ scores than those who lived in low-fluoride areas.
And I'm not wearing my tin foil hat to protect myself from the reptillian shapeshifters mind manipulation beam! ;D
But I do like facts.
-
... fuck me... dude, that fucking sucks... :o
-
the fluoride deception is a good book. Clarity of mind can't be attained with the use of fluoride.. a pea size swallowed warrants a phone call to the poison control; i would suffice to say it' s a poison which does harm and no good. Fluorosis of teeth and bones, leaking of calcium, fluoride accumulation in the brain.. it' goes on and on. But these are all conspiracies, what do i know? ::)
many people don't know fluoridation is illegal in plenty of countries.. that BS tag line created by the ADA "Healthy Teeth" was pushed onto a dumb populace like D.rug A.buse R.esistance. E.ducation. Whenever the government feed you tag line words, bet your life it's a lie used to market whatever they are selling. Hitler and Stalins use of fluoride in concentration camps deem pretty interesting too.
-
Everyone seems to have decent ideas and just reading through all of this makes me think I'm watching Food Inc. for the thousandth time, and if you haven't seen it watch it. It would be nice if most countries had a "perfect system" in place for food regulation and aid for those who need it, but it will never happen. Lucius mentioned the EBT system, holy fuck do I know a whole bunch of single mothers and families who definitely need it but way too many people are abusing it to withdraw cash, buy cigarettes, energy drinks, and sometimes even alcohol at places when they should be using it to provide decent meals for themselves or for their families. As for the fluoride, it wouldn't be necessary if people just used a decent tooth paste, had a decent diet, and just took care of themselves. Someone is always going to be out there to feed the agencies, politicians, and consumers with biased and faked studies to make a profit. Unfortunately it is easier to make a profit off of unhealthy, cheaply made products when there is a lobbyist filling someone's pocket or a company emptying their own pockets in court to make those who speak up, go flat broke.
-
As far as government being in charge of food supply, with all due respects, bad idea. Big corporations that have already made moves to control the food supply are already embedded in the government via bought politicians. These big corporations do experiments with seeds, growing hybrid and mutated plants. Giant labs are set up that mimic an environment where plants are genetically altered to produce more larger fruit, but the effects on the human body have yet to be fully discovered. So if government controlled our food, these corporations would actually be doing it and government would protect them with total monopoly, possibly making it illegal to grow and raise your own food, because once government gains control of something, they only want more.
-
Fluorinating the entire water supply, without any long term studies of the risks is not a good thing.
It's like what they do to cattle - mass inoculations & adding antibiotics to their feed.
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/features/fluoride-childrens-health-grandjean-choi/
They then analyzed possible associations with IQ measures in more than 8,000 children of school age; all but one study suggested that high fluoride content in water may negatively affect cognitive development.
Some studies suggested that even slightly increased fluoride exposure could be toxic to the brain. Thus, children in high-fluoride areas had significantly lower IQ scores than those who lived in low-fluoride areas.
And I'm not wearing my tin foil hat to protect myself from the reptillian shapeshifters mind manipulation beam! ;D
But I do like facts.
I thought the general scientific consensus on fluoride at this time seems to be that a small amount of flouridation is a good thing and has beneficial health effects while a large amount has adverse effects as shown by long term studies. Here's the CDC bulletin with the current standings of the National Academy of Sciences and National Research Council:
http://www.cdc.gov/fluoridation/safety/nas.htm
I also thing organic vegetables is the way to go. Here's a question for you though: what does organic mean in America? I mean do you actually know the guidelines that a company is required to follow in order to call their food "organic?" In the US, something that's only 95% organic can be labeled as "organic." Now I'm sure that depends on how you interpret 5%, but I certainly hope it doesn't mean that something that's only 5% pesticides can be called organic... ::)
Wait, isn't the 95% rule also the case in Australia too? The pesticides themselves have to all be non synthetic here in the states, that much I'm sure of. It's just that the pesticides used to control the weeds doesn't have to necessarily be non-synthetic if they can't be properly controlled.
-
you guys should probably do a research on spirulina (open source food)..
and please no f corrupted gov control.. only open society and community projects..
-
supermarket food is already quite substantially government subsidised in the uk. i don't think many people realise this or appreciate it.
-
There are plenty of european subsidies driving down the price of food.
And when you look at it realistically, supermarket food is just dirt cheap. The minimum wage here is around 7 euro's an hour nett. For one hours wage you could easily buy the ingredients for a asufficient meal at ay supermarket. And it doesn't mean you'll have to eat shit either, it'll buy you 200 grams for decent meat, a heap of potatos and some veggiest quite easily.
Realistically working for one hour a day will feed you up to and far beyond WHO recommended intake of major foodstuffs.
The cost of housing, however, is another matter, as as the prices for fuel and such. Things like rent or mortgage are fixed expenses, and the budget for food is whatever is left over after that. I would say that the problem is not that food is expensive at all, just that the cost of all those other things are so high some people are simply left without money for food. This obviously is a sad situation in any western country, but it is the truth: people are not paying all that much for food, they just have no money left to pay for it due to housing, energy, taxes and such costs.
-
I'm hungry for the blood of the financial aristocracy, I want to eat their babies while they watch.
Motherfuckers aren't just above the law, they are the law.
-
It's Mi Goreng time! ;D