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Title: By not allowing sort by price, we basically do not encourage competition
Post by: dbz4u on January 29, 2013, 06:33 am
Without a sort by price option, this sites users and vendors both suffer. New vendors trying to offer great deals often go unnoticed at the end of the pages, with no option to sort for their prices. Everyone goes with the entrenched sellers, but no other guys can make headway. It's hard to give good sales when no one can see em :-\

As for buyers, the markets will isn't really translated here. No one has an easy way to tell that this guy sells cocaine for 190 a gram, when another vendor sells it for 90. Therefore the guy with the high prices gets constant business, while the smaller guy is back 3 pages and noticed by almost no one.What incentive do the big sellers have to lower their prices, when they show up on the first and second pages of results multiple times? There can be no competition until we truly can see what the actual value of an item is. This is supposedly Laissez Faire Capitalism, but that is impossible without the market being able to come to equilibrium. Again it won't happen until buyers can choose to snub high priced sellers, and actually make them compete
Title: Re: By not allowing sort by price, we basically do not encourage competition
Post by: SelfSovereignty on January 29, 2013, 06:56 am
That's interesting... I never really considered it from a perspective aside from user convenience (which is amazingly important from a business standpoint, but still has little to do with the actual market dynamics).

You make a decent point.
Title: Re: By not allowing sort by price, we basically do not encourage competition
Post by: nomad bloodbath on January 29, 2013, 07:04 am
I suggest you personally refuse to make purchases until changes are made.

X)
nomad
Title: Re: By not allowing sort by price, we basically do not encourage competition
Post by: kesser on January 29, 2013, 07:52 am
This is a good point and i have often wondered if i set up a vendors account how i could get noticed other than being quite active on the forums and getting to know people around here. What i can see is that people are encouraged to distrust everyone especially new 'kids' on the block. Don't get me wrong, i agree with that but how else can you really get noticed unless your prices are very competitive and as dbz states you stock will be pushed back 2 or 3 pages to the back of the vendors page.
It seems to me as unless you have a good rep and are offering free samples to people to test out you have no real way of getting a good consumer base following you, especially with new people joining and forum and vendors list all the time.

Definitely a good suggestion to put forward to the features requests board.
Title: Re: By not allowing sort by price, we basically do not encourage competition
Post by: nomad bloodbath on January 29, 2013, 08:09 am
Look of course you are gonna have to catch some eyes at first being new you are gonna have to give a little extra weight be on top of shipping and a active vendor, that means to be on the front page you have to everyday re list you listings.
you simply open a new tab on the add listing button and on the first tan open up your edit of a listing then you copy and paste the listing g and press enter.
There bam your listing is the first on in the section.
Vendors do this everyday, twice a day to stay on the front.
At first you are gonna have to make some ppl happy, it takes money to make money.
Read reviews see what is making the buyers happy and emulate or improve upon the concept.
A little free thinking goes a long way in this market.
This weeks news is next weeks memory, the market is fast and you got to move with it not let your listings float to the back page.

my 0.02btc

X)
nomad
Title: Re: By not allowing sort by price, we basically do not encourage competition
Post by: JaTrJo on January 29, 2013, 08:15 am
I agree with this 100 percent. Competition is needed and is healthy for business.
I buy certain products on here and others I buy local because of the inflation in prices on this site. Vendors lowering their prices gets them more sales. They might make less per sale but with more sales comes higher profit. If some things did not have such high mark ups on this site than myself as well as others would order weekly and have this be our go to place for everything. But instead those dealers that for example try to charge over 100 dollars for a gram of coke, well you are only going to get people that are desperate. Lower your price to just above street prices that way you still make a buck even after sr's cut and guess what? You get 10 fold the sales you did before. You can sell 100 grams at 40 bucks profit a piece earning you 4000 dollars or sell 1000 grams with lower prices only earning you 15 a gram but the inflation in sales just gave you 15000 profit. Which profit would you rather have? Trust and believe if you have good product with a cheap price you will actually make ALOT more money. I know this from experience, and you vendors are only here to make money right? Well make it the right way!

Having a sort by price will help vendor and buyer
Title: Re: By not allowing sort by price, we basically do not encourage competition
Post by: Jediknight on January 29, 2013, 12:59 pm
I agree some better search and sort tops would be nice.  I don't its the end all though .  People know what they want and from where. 
Title: Re: By not allowing sort by price, we basically do not encourage competition
Post by: italosvevo on January 29, 2013, 01:09 pm
I agree some better search and sort tops would be nice.  I don't its the end all though .  People know what they want and from where.

I agree too, specially with the better search part.
Not only domestic box to tick, but a choice by country or at least by continent ; the possibility to avoid foreign domestic vendors.
Title: Re: By not allowing sort by price, we basically do not encourage competition
Post by: Gidyean on January 29, 2013, 01:36 pm
I'm brand new to SR.  This is a solid idea.  It begs the question, why has this not already been implemented?  Considering how long SR has been around, you would think that this had been brought up before.  Is there some reason this option cannot be made?
Title: Re: By not allowing sort by price, we basically do not encourage competition
Post by: The Drugstore Cowboy on January 29, 2013, 02:56 pm
This was actually the first thing I noticed when I started browsing. Not having the function only works in the established sellers favor. The buyer and new or small time sellers have it harder.
Title: Re: By not allowing sort by price, we basically do not encourage competition
Post by: SelfSovereignty on January 29, 2013, 04:19 pm
I'm brand new to SR.  This is a solid idea.  It begs the question, why has this not already been implemented?  Considering how long SR has been around, you would think that this had been brought up before.  Is there some reason this option cannot be made?

It's been suggested dozens if not hundreds or even thousands of times.  It's a good idea, either it'll get finished eventually or whatever site replaces SR will get to it instead.  I love this place and all, but look at the site: it's exactly what you might expect an inexperienced but dedicated person to end up with.  Which is fine, don't misunderstand me -- I'm just saying the lack of this particular feature doesn't exactly strike me as a conspiracy or anything.
Title: Re: By not allowing sort by price, we basically do not encourage competition
Post by: Gidyean on January 29, 2013, 05:03 pm
...I'm just saying the lack of this particular feature doesn't exactly strike me as a conspiracy or anything.

No, I doubted nefarious minds were at work, but I figured there had to be SOME reason why this feature had not already happened.  Thanks for your reply.
Title: Re: By not allowing sort by price, we basically do not encourage competition
Post by: sbmafia on January 29, 2013, 07:42 pm
Without a sort by price option, this sites users and vendors both suffer. New vendors trying to offer great deals often go unnoticed at the end of the pages, with no option to sort for their prices. Everyone goes with the entrenched sellers, but no other guys can make headway. It's hard to give good sales when no one can see em :-\

As for buyers, the markets will isn't really translated here. No one has an easy way to tell that this guy sells cocaine for 190 a gram, when another vendor sells it for 90. Therefore the guy with the high prices gets constant business, while the smaller guy is back 3 pages and noticed by almost no one.What incentive do the big sellers have to lower their prices, when they show up on the first and second pages of results multiple times? There can be no competition until we truly can see what the actual value of an item is. This is supposedly Laissez Faire Capitalism, but that is impossible without the market being able to come to equilibrium. Again it won't happen until buyers can choose to snub high priced sellers, and actually make them compete

Really doesnt make sense....usually there is only 3-4 pages per "what ever your looking at" so all one has to do is go through all the pages, add what ever they think they want to the cart, than eliminate the ones they dont want
Title: Re: By not allowing sort by price, we basically do not encourage competition
Post by: loniax on January 29, 2013, 09:20 pm
I kinda glad there isnt, because I was going through pages wondering around with my boy and something that we had been looking for poped up, randomly on the front page. But we hadnt seen any of the venders other listings in days, so I prefer for my vendors to stay well hidden. I mean I can name 3 that have blown up on here and left. I miss buddah
Title: Re: By not allowing sort by price, we basically do not encourage competition
Post by: nomad bloodbath on January 30, 2013, 01:13 am
You guys also have to understand there is a shitload more stuff that needs attention over this and this is at the freshly new bottom of the list addition.

Also creating threads in there proper sections speeds up the process.
This should be in features request not discussion.

X)
nomad
Title: Re: By not allowing sort by price, we basically do not encourage competition
Post by: grdr on January 30, 2013, 01:19 am
it's not about vendors but buyers who have like 100 dollars and looking to buy their DOC for 100dll. and not to scroll through pages all day..
Title: Re: By not allowing sort by price, we basically do not encourage competition
Post by: nomad bloodbath on January 30, 2013, 01:53 am
yeah because searching for DOC is impossible with it's 8 vendors.

For a bunch of ppl that didnt have a marketplace as successful as this sure are a bunch of spoiled members.
Title: Re: By not allowing sort by price, we basically do not encourage competition
Post by: SelfSovereignty on January 30, 2013, 02:08 am
LOL... when I'm spun I make that same mistake sometimes too Nomad; I think he means drug of choice, not dimethoxy-chloroamph -- but either way, you aren't really wrong :)
Title: Re: By not allowing sort by price, we basically do not encourage competition
Post by: nacho on January 30, 2013, 06:56 am
Does anyone else notice that most that oppose this idea are vendors themselves?
Title: Re: By not allowing sort by price, we basically do not encourage competition
Post by: dbz4u on January 30, 2013, 09:58 am
Does anyone else notice that most that oppose this idea are vendors themselves?

When you can see the competition in all fairness, and show you the lowest prices, of course they don't want it. At least the established ones. The don't want to actually have to compete, pretty cozy on the front page.
Title: Re: By not allowing sort by price, we basically do not encourage competition
Post by: RxKing on January 30, 2013, 10:53 am
Bottom line is prices are set here by demand and supply. NOTHING ELSE!

THAT IS IT!   

Supply and demand. It makes no difference how the search works...as it really does not work anyways..and the issue with new vendors is trust. Nothing else. And even that is weird and with the escrow system buyers have NOTHING to worry about. But they just do not look at it right.
 
If a new vendor come on SR and you find him and you like what he has to offer....ORDER!!!!! There is NOTHING you have to worry about. Your money is in escrow, he can't ask you to finalize and if you do not get what you ordered you will win. It is that simple. These forums have so much misinformation.

Also people that are really buyers do not care about price. They care about service and speed of delivery(service). I know that is hard for people to understand but I can tell you with certainty that price is not an issue. They want consistent quality and speed of service. And at the the end of the day all the vendors price there items at about the same prices.( in drugs where you can compare the item such as pills). Yes you can find good deals(lower price) from a new vendor trying to get business...but eventually they too will have the same prices as the other vendors in there respective category's.

To the OP, I understand what you are saying..but it is just not true. That has nothing to do with prices of items. Certain buyers only care about prices and they will find the cheapest. But MOST care about service and service only. By most I mean 95%.
Title: Re: By not allowing sort by price, we basically do not encourage competition
Post by: SelfSovereignty on January 30, 2013, 02:49 pm
I agree with your overall point, RxKing, but I wouldn't really agree with your numbers.  I do think that your interpretation of supply & demand is too limited in scope though.  If it's not obvious what the choices are, then it doesn't matter what the supply is -- it may as well not be there.

What I'm saying is that for every person who does not bother looking at every page of the listings, some of the actual, real supply does not matter because that given person did not even know it was there -- it makes no difference for their choice whatsoever, the guy's listing may as well not even exist for that purchase.  Is it meaningless altogether?  No, of course not, some people will see it and maybe it'll get pushed toward the front of the search results & fewer people will miss it.  But the point is that for every single person who does not check every single page every single time, the supply & demand thing isn't even reflecting the reality of the supply.  That's bad for the market (by western standards anyway).

That's the real reason I think there's actually something to the point that it hinders competition and all that stuff that make the things here on SR generally cleaner & more reliable.  Nobody's asking for anything except the search function to accurately reflect the supply available.
Title: Re: By not allowing sort by price, we basically do not encourage competition
Post by: PureOBrad on January 30, 2013, 02:55 pm
Bottom line is prices are set here by demand and supply. NOTHING ELSE!

THAT IS IT!   

Supply and demand. It makes no difference how the search works...as it really does not work anyways..and the issue with new vendors is trust. Nothing else. And even that is weird and with the escrow system buyers have NOTHING to worry about. But they just do not look at it right.
 
If a new vendor come on SR and you find him and you like what he has to offer....ORDER!!!!! There is NOTHING you have to worry about. Your money is in escrow, he can't ask you to finalize and if you do not get what you ordered you will win. It is that simple. These forums have so much misinformation.

Also people that are really buyers do not care about price. They care about service and speed of delivery(service). I know that is hard for people to understand but I can tell you with certainty that price is not an issue. They want consistent quality and speed of service. And at the the end of the day all the vendors price there items at about the same prices.( in drugs where you can compare the item such as pills). Yes you can find good deals(lower price) from a new vendor trying to get business...but eventually they too will have the same prices as the other vendors in there respective category's.

To the OP, I understand what you are saying..but it is just not true. That has nothing to do with prices of items. Certain buyers only care about prices and they will find the cheapest. But MOST care about service and service only. By most I mean 95%.

I think that 95% figure is a quite high, its actually closer to 60~70%.
Of that 60%~70%  (from my experience) it is mostly comprised of inexperienced, young, "nickelbagers" who think Silk Road is Ebay.
A good 30% of whom would purchase from suspicious vendor if the price was right.
and about 20% of whom would Finalize Early for that suspicious vendor.


Title: Re: By not allowing sort by price, we basically do not encourage competition
Post by: moxycotton on January 30, 2013, 04:18 pm
Yeah, it's obviously a feature that SHOULD exist. All these vendors that are actually trying to argue that it shouldn't exist are just blatantly biased and make it quite obvious with their weak arguments, and tone. Prices obviously aren't set by supply and demand very well on here since it is such a limited marketplace with pretty bad search functions. And a lot of people do care about price... idk how you could assume otherwise. Do you think there are THAT many people on here with an unlimited disposable income? Because that's probably wrong.

Lastly, prices are going to get lower and lower on here as more people discover it's existence, and sellers get closer and closer to real, legitimate sources. You don't think vendors are going to start undercutting each other? They already do, I've noticed the prices of many (most) items go down significantly in the 8-9 months I've been on here.

But anyway, whether DPR has the time to implement this "nice, but optional" feature, that probably won't really affect his bottom line, or security, is another question. He probably doesn't.

Title: Re: By not allowing sort by price, we basically do not encourage competition
Post by: grdr on January 30, 2013, 06:42 pm
"Also people that are really buyers do not care about price. " . yeah like buying black tar for 500$ a gram or some other ridicilous prices I've seen. it would probably be cheaper to go to Mexico really..

it would be perfect if there would be options lets say under two grams of exact substance and price either from highest to lowest or from lowest to highest.
Title: Re: By not allowing sort by price, we basically do not encourage competition
Post by: dbz4u on January 30, 2013, 11:18 pm
"Also people that are really buyers do not care about price. " . yeah like buying black tar for 500$ a gram or some other ridicilous prices I've seen. it would probably be cheaper to go to Mexico really..

it would be perfect if there would be options lets say under two grams of exact substance and price either from highest to lowest or from lowest to highest.

Coke is another great example. You should be able to get coke for  60-85 a gram(with SR mark up), instead i've seen it go like 190 at the highest. Absolutely ridiculous. A sort by price option would really bring competition to the higher priced goods, something SR desperately needs. 5 Adderall short acting for 75$ and it was on the first page? Are you motherfucking serious? "Top vendors" have no real incentive to compete when they can charge whatever they want and people buy it anyways
Title: Re: By not allowing sort by price, we basically do not encourage competition
Post by: chasezip2201 on January 31, 2013, 12:34 am
I agree with this.

Sort by Quantity and price would be best.

Like when you go all the way down through the tree of something.

Drugs>XTC>MDMA>

Then it would be like

<1 Gram
1-5 Grams
5-10 Grams

and so on
Title: Re: By not allowing sort by price, we basically do not encourage competition
Post by: livestr0ng on January 31, 2013, 01:45 am
Supply and demand. It makes no difference how the search works...as it really does not work anyways..and the issue with new vendors is trust. Nothing else. And even that is weird and with the escrow system buyers have NOTHING to worry about. But they just do not look at it right.
 
If a new vendor come on SR and you find him and you like what he has to offer....ORDER!!!!! There is NOTHING you have to worry about. Your money is in escrow, he can't ask you to finalize and if you do not get what you ordered you will win. It is that simple. These forums have so much misinformation.
--> Not true. #1) If a buyer gets scammed, he has to go through SR resolution. The more money at stake the more to worry and stress. #2) During this incident the buyer not actually receive his money for a while. #3) SR resolution doesn't automatically side with the buyer giving them a full refund. The buyer could still lose money. #4) getting a refund shows up on your purchasing stats which is a red flag to vendors.
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Also people that are really buyers do not care about price. They care about service and speed of delivery(service). I know that is hard for people to understand but I can tell you with certainty that price is not an issue. They want consistent quality and speed of service. And at the the end of the day all the vendors price there items at about the same prices.( in drugs where you can compare the item such as pills). Yes you can find good deals(lower price) from a new vendor trying to get business...but eventually they too will have the same prices as the other vendors in there respective category's.
--> "really buyers"? not even sure what that means. Well, in that case, lets just not even show the prices on SR because price doesn't matter. Whatever it is, I'll pay for it as soon as I'm done burning this money. I don't think all vendor's will have the same price because vendors have different quality product, different shipping techniques, different connections/ series of connections.

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To the OP, I understand what you are saying..but it is just not true. That has nothing to do with prices of items. Certain buyers only care about prices and they will find the cheapest. But MOST care about service and service only. By most I mean 95%.
--> I'm not saying I automatically buy the cheapest product I find because I take into the vendor's reputation into account, of course. For me, its a balance, you see? Anyway, I don't "hate" you so I"m not trying to start a big ass war or anything but I disagree with most of what you said. I bet many others do as well.

Also, yes we need this function! Because it hasn't been implemented already though, it makes me wonder if DPR has a special reason it's not available that we aren't aware of. Idk what that reason could be but you never know. It seems like such a basic function, it just surprises me its not available.
Title: Re: By not allowing sort by price, we basically do not encourage competition
Post by: dbz4u on January 31, 2013, 03:21 am
Also what would be nice is a multi-factor sort. Like by price/quantity, or price/reviews. Narrowing results down is the goal here, we should be promoting vendor competition through user choice
Title: Re: By not allowing sort by price, we basically do not encourage competition
Post by: InkIndulgence on January 31, 2013, 06:51 am
In the categories that I look at, sorting by price would not help at all because it would give the illusion of ordering by quality when really it would be primarily by quantity. Smaller quantities would always be listed first and the largest last.  I'd still have to wade through the first few pages of single pills, 1gram samples, etc... or through pages of the thousand dollar listings for way high qtys to get to what I want which would still be in the middle pages somewhere.

I think sorting by price would hide the better deals from people more than expose them. I know that the better deal is what is selling best and what is selling best is what is on the first page usually.
Title: Re: By not allowing sort by price, we basically do not encourage competition
Post by: human5 on January 31, 2013, 08:22 am
I'm pretty sure you could sort "lowest price > highest price" and vice versa about a year ago.... maybe the drugs have set off my memory a bit though :p

anywho...

I agree with this.

Sort by Quantity and price would be best.

Like when you go all the way down through the tree of something.

Drugs>XTC>MDMA>

Then it would be like

<1 Gram
1-5 Grams
5-10 Grams

and so on
I really like what this guy said. I would use the fuck out of that feature. All I ever really purchase on here is bulk.... even if it is just for personal use, I buy a surplus so I get it cheaper.

Even if the feature doesn't get that specific, there should be some way for buyers like me to skip past the 100 quarter gram half gram one gram listings and get to where it's actually worth the purchase.

I believe I am a greater value member as well because almost everything I buy on here I resell IRL. I've brought tens of thousands of dollars here and that number could only grow. I really think there should be a greater focus on *volume*... I've read that post DPR made about fighting the war on drugs in response to those US senators.... I think the site should move away from it's ebay/amazon likeess and become more like what is going to help the most to achieve that goal he mentioned.... by being more of a diversified competitive network









Also what would be nice is a multi-factor sort. Like by price/quantity, or price/reviews. Narrowing results down is the goal here, we should be promoting vendor competition through user choice
I also like this one. Only thing is, a lot of vendors charge less $/g because of various cuts and fillers and other variations in quality but then again some more participation from the community as seen with the "LSD Avengers" and individual drug threads.... a network of people who do tests and post results of purity could really grease the wheel so to speak... I already saw someone posting purity results in the cocaine thread.... not sure how legit it is but it's a great idea, something I would even put my money into....

ahhh a man can dream though
Title: Re: By not allowing sort by price, we basically do not encourage competition
Post by: livestr0ng on January 31, 2013, 08:28 am
In the categories that I look at, sorting by price would not help at all because it would give the illusion of ordering by quality when really it would be primarily by quantity. Smaller quantities would always be listed first and the largest last.  I'd still have to wade through the first few pages of single pills, 1gram samples, etc... or through pages of the thousand dollar listings for way high qtys to get to what I want which would still be in the middle pages somewhere.

I think sorting by price would hide the better deals from people more than expose them. I know that the better deal is what is selling best and what is selling best is what is on the first page usually.

but check it: if you want small amounts click 'sort by price' 'low to high'. say you're not willing to spend over $50, when you notice the price is over $50 you stop. if you want large amounts 'sort by price' 'high to low' and go until everything has "one gram" (or whatever) in the title. but in a perfect world, there would be a quantity filter along with the price filter.
Title: Re: By not allowing sort by price, we basically do not encourage competition
Post by: dbz4u on February 01, 2013, 01:55 am
In the categories that I look at, sorting by price would not help at all because it would give the illusion of ordering by quality when really it would be primarily by quantity. Smaller quantities would always be listed first and the largest last.  I'd still have to wade through the first few pages of single pills, 1gram samples, etc... or through pages of the thousand dollar listings for way high qtys to get to what I want which would still be in the middle pages somewhere.

I think sorting by price would hide the better deals from people more than expose them. I know that the better deal is what is selling best and what is selling best is what is on the first page usually.

but check it: if you want small amounts click 'sort by price' 'low to high'. say you're not willing to spend over $50, when you notice the price is over $50 you stop. if you want large amounts 'sort by price' 'high to low' and go until everything has "one gram" (or whatever) in the title. but in a perfect world, there would be a quantity filter along with the price filter.

That's what i was saying with the multi-factor search, exactly what you described. Essentially we'd have sort by price, and then another drop down that can be left blank if you want, but if you choose that it's the secondary sort category. So say you do sort by price/reviews, then you get a box to put in min review score(i.e. 85%, meaning no vendor with an overall rating of 84% or lower shows up), and then it sorts by price(high to low, low to high).

That way you eliminate the vendors you that are shitty, or unestablished, yet you still get the sort by price. Win-Win
Title: Re: By not allowing sort by price, we basically do not encourage competition
Post by: livestr0ng on February 01, 2013, 08:32 am
OH! another thing I just thought of is how if the above statement was put into practice, it might even weed out the crappy vendors and let the good ones "rise to power" haha.
Title: Re: By not allowing sort by price, we basically do not encourage competition
Post by: EarlyCuylerTOR on February 01, 2013, 11:34 pm
One of the first things I noticed was a lack of an advanced search option.  It's especially difficult when looking at cannabis.  Not complaining, just my 0.02BTC.
Title: Re: By not allowing sort by price, we basically do not encourage competition
Post by: NorthernStar on February 01, 2013, 11:52 pm
Like anything it pays to research your DOC, I look through all  pages at every vendor, that way the top3 can't monopolize my business. And you might catch a bargain in the lower pages, Save some coin and we could all do with that with crazy fluctuations at moment.
Title: Re: By not allowing sort by price, we basically do not encourage competition
Post by: InkIndulgence on February 02, 2013, 01:15 am
That's true, if you could have secondary sort options it would be useful for the more specific categories. It might be kinda weird for the really general ones like "stimulants", where there is such an array of various products sorting by price or qty would not help much. But if you get specific to pharms, or coke or whatever then it could be a help for sorting.
Title: Re: By not allowing sort by price, we basically do not encourage competition
Post by: OldGuard on February 02, 2013, 01:47 am
This type of search feature was used for a while but did not work because some people price their items in Bits and other in Dollars. I have never had a problem with new sellers since about the only search I use is New Listings so the newest listed items are always shown first whether it is posted by a new seller or an old timer. The only way a new sellers listing are on the last page is if you search by seller rankings, if people want to find the best deals all it takes is a few minutes but as the old saying goes you get what you pay for and rarely do you find the good stuff for less.
Title: Re: By not allowing sort by price, we basically do not encourage competition
Post by: SouthSquareBiz on February 10, 2013, 04:50 am
Without a sort by price option, this sites users and vendors both suffer. New vendors trying to offer great deals often go unnoticed at the end of the pages, with no option to sort for their prices. Everyone goes with the entrenched sellers, but no other guys can make headway. It's hard to give good sales when no one can see em :-\

As for buyers, the markets will isn't really translated here. No one has an easy way to tell that this guy sells cocaine for 190 a gram, when another vendor sells it for 90. Therefore the guy with the high prices gets constant business, while the smaller guy is back 3 pages and noticed by almost no one.What incentive do the big sellers have to lower their prices, when they show up on the first and second pages of results multiple times? There can be no competition until we truly can see what the actual value of an item is. This is supposedly Laissez Faire Capitalism, but that is impossible without the market being able to come to equilibrium. Again it won't happen until buyers can choose to snub high priced sellers, and actually make them compete
I like your vision.
I agree some better search and sort tops would be nice.  I don't its the end all though .  People know what they want and from where.

I agree too, specially with the better search part.
Not only domestic box to tick, but a choice by country or at least by continent ; the possibility to avoid foreign domestic vendors.
I brought this up to DPR at the turn of the year. I believe it is very off putting to SR's international customers where their half of the hemisphere, or even region, cannot be segmented by buyers here.

Trust me, if the box was there, more bread would I have broken by now.

It can only help the growth of the community, from a buyer and seller standpoint, not to mention pad DPR's coffers even more.

Just a thought...
I agree with this.

Sort by Quantity and price would be best.

Like when you go all the way down through the tree of something.

Drugs>XTC>MDMA>

Then it would be like

<1 Gram
1-5 Grams
5-10 Grams

and so on

Yeah, this idea has legs. ;)
Title: Re: By not allowing sort by price, we basically do not encourage competition
Post by: Ron Swanson on February 11, 2013, 03:23 am
increased sorting options would be great and a massive time saver for buyers but what i'd really like to see is a function to block out listings from vendors you'd never buy from again because of bad experiences in the past. no sticks no seeds completely clog up the uk weed listings and it takes quite some time to trawl through his 30 odd 1g listings. reason i hate the bloke isn't even his £30+ price weed, it's that the only time i bought some hash from him it was complete bunk and he sent me a free sample of contaminated weed. how this seller got his account reinstated and is still popular is astounding.  :o
Title: Re: By not allowing sort by price, we basically do not encourage competition
Post by: DankSources on February 11, 2013, 03:46 am
Another reason we can't allow sort by price is because it has to incorporate the shipping price as well, otherwise we would see the problem that occasionally happens on amazon... a 99 cent tv with a 900 shipping price tag.
Title: Re: By not allowing sort by price, we basically do not encourage competition
Post by: XXXotica on February 11, 2013, 03:27 pm
I suggest you personally refuse to make purchases until changes are made.

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nomad

You always seem to give me a good laugh Nomad! I would +1 you but i have to wait 72 hours :)
Title: Re: By not allowing sort by price, we basically do not encourage competition
Post by: incognito22 on February 11, 2013, 05:31 pm
This would also be good if I have a leftover 5-10 bitcoins and I wanna get something real cheap but don't wanna sort through 100 pages of marijuana listings