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Discussion => Security => Topic started by: Rent0n on January 28, 2013, 10:55 pm
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iv heard people say not to use TorBrowser when looking up tracking numbers with USPS. i guess what im asking is what kinds of dangers are there in checking on a package and how can i protect myself? any help on this subject would be appreciated.
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Very interested in this as well, bookmarking this thread. I always check tracking at public computers in coffee shops and whatnot for the same reason, but it'd be nice to know if I was wasting my time :)
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I have always been told their system picks up TOR and can flag the tracking.
Why do you need to track? I order and when it comes it comes, if it doesn't I kindly ask the vendor to see whats up, and usually its around 3-5 lbs of weed in the mail, I have learned to CHILL OUT. With tracking numbers it makes me more nervous because I always want to check it, and then I get nervous if it is slow at a facility.
If you want to check it, I would go to public computer..
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and if u check tracking use a sit=e that tracks for u not direct thru usps. No TOR checking.
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and if u check tracking use a sit=e that tracks for u not direct thru usps. No TOR checking.
Good advice there.
I never check tracking through Tor, and I'm not as cautious as many are: I don't sell or anything like that, just order for personal use, so I consider my interest as a subject of investigation pretty low. My reasoning though is that it's conceivable, and would even be trivially easy, to flag every package that has tracking checked through a Tor exit node (which it would be if you check from the Tor browser).
Actually *doing* anything with that information before the package arrives and they can't get a dog to sniff it & use that as evidence for a warrant? Now that's extremely unlikely. Extremely. So I figure the possible harm of the address on the package getting logged for possible investigation or a data point for correlation profiling or something, to be much greater to me than checking the tracking from a computer (which would be virtually impossible to record or log, if the site sees even a fraction of the use of the mail it tracks).
But long story short... it's a "just in case the rumors are true," thing. Not a "the rumors are likely true," thing.
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I have always been told their system picks up TOR and can flag the tracking.
Why do you need to track? I order and when it comes it comes, if it doesn't I kindly ask the vendor to see whats up, and usually its around 3-5 lbs of weed in the mail, I have learned to CHILL OUT. With tracking numbers it makes me more nervous because I always want to check it, and then I get nervous if it is slow at a facility.
If you want to check it, I would go to public computer..
that makes a lot of sense to me, thats all i needed to hear.
public computer seems to be the way to go.
as for reasons to check tracking, newer member have to deal with newer vendors for the most part. in the event that anything needs to go to the resolution center we all need to be prepared.
thank you for you help
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http://www.trackingnumber.org/usps-tracking/
Probably good to use a third party tracker, and a public computer like that at a library or public wifi.
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Hey self!! If say u do check thru for. Yeah they many not be able to get to u in time but if there is a backlog they can always just flag the address and plag e sending address or even zip.. Once that comes in again they can log it and ever time I assume until they have so many logs.. Thy may even see a pattern in the times in which the packages are coming through. Knowing the pattern then they can take that approx date and really watch the screens or what ever they do and find said package and then flag it grab it and do an inspect.
Would they come after you mr small time I don't sell I am a nobody ...... U are somebody and u have the one thing they need to keep this whole thing rolling nice and smooth. CASH...... They can come get u and tie u up for a nice long time while your pockets empty green bills that oil the enti system until they bleed you dry and hang u out with an orange jumpsuit cleaning sides of roads...
Maybe I think on it too much....A?
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usps delivers millions a packages a day there is no way they have the money nor the time to keep up with the tracking of the at lest 3 to 400,000 internet tracking done everyday
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Hey self!! If say u do check thru for. Yeah they many not be able to get to u in time but if there is a backlog they can always just flag the address and plag e sending address or even zip.. Once that comes in again they can log it and ever time I assume until they have so many logs.. Thy may even see a pattern in the times in which the packages are coming through. Knowing the pattern then they can take that approx date and really watch the screens or what ever they do and find said package and then flag it grab it and do an inspect.
Would they come after you mr small time I don't sell I am a nobody ...... U are somebody and u have the one thing they need to keep this whole thing rolling nice and smooth. CASH...... They can come get u and tie u up for a nice long time while your pockets empty green bills that oil the enti system until they bleed you dry and hang u out with an orange jumpsuit cleaning sides of roads...
Maybe I think on it too much....A?
I think you're right man, it's entirely possible for them to do all of this. If it comes to it, I think it'll be one of the ways they edge closer to putting SR out of business. Do they do it today? I doubt it, but it's entirely possible.
As for millions of packages a day, yes, they do. But you aren't thinking like the people who are going to be paid to help the cops catch you. There are entire 10 year degrees built around how to bend any problem into a shape that can be solved with the computers at hand. Look at Google. How many pages do you think it actually searches through when you submit a query, and then returns the answers so fast it's almost instant? It's fucking mind boggling, but they did it. It's all about the algorithm, and if somebody in the government says "We're taking bids for this software system, we'll start at 5 million" or something, I bet you somebody will make the improbable actually happen.
If it isn't impossible, as in against the laws of physics, somebody will eventually figure out a way to do it. I just don't think they have today, given the evidence. But again, they could, so pick your level of comfortable risk and go with it.
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They are 9billion in dept they cant not afford to pay the tech to run the program they justed layed off 200 in house mail sorters and fired 6 inspectors just last year and are ramping up for another lay-off so them spending 5 million on anything that does not help the system make more profit is out of the question.
They are reporting that buy then end of this quarter they are going to start shutting down post offices across the country
I have been tracking my overnight package 3 tames a day i ship 10 to 15 packages a week 2 years only lost 17 packages no controlled delivery's no love letters nothing
we thing the mail man got lucky
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i will keep the faith that it stays that way for u!
U gotta believe they are light years ahead of where we think they are in the realm of weeding out packages. Its the GOVERNMENT its their JOB to knwo everything u are doing. If they didnt they would not be able to control as they do.. THey are slipping but they are still in power so they are doing the job they are SUPPOSED to do... u know how u always hear something 2 years down the road that they had the program or processes in place.. Like the VEST testing ground. If i was a developer and i am not but i was developing something for the mail system where u gonna test it and who u gonna sell it for and where u gonna make the most bang for your buck... . They dont have any money.. Its like scare tactics.. Like the news when its gonna snow. THE run on the store for bread and milk.. They say STAMP prices are gonna rise better STOCK up!! Run on stamps means influx of cash..
I am a freak and when i hear things like that i just think what are they really trying to hide..
they know way way way too much and hide most likely double. PLOD along and keep the masses glued to the idiot box while its business as usual..
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Uh oh. I just tracked my package thru TOR earlier before i seen this thread....hopefully it didn't get flagged
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....No TOR checking.
Bestadvice one could get on this subject. From what I understand, checking a tracking number on TOR puts an automatic flag on the package/address.
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Uh oh. I just tracked my package thru TOR earlier before i seen this thread....hopefully it didn't get flagged
i hope everything works out, i got my fingers crossed for you. but do let us know the outcome. someone could really learn from it... thanks for your post
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I can say unequivocally that checking through Tor does not mean SHIT.
I have used it for years ....
Like others have said, they are billions in debt and there is a couple million tracking requests a day I am sure, maybe more. So even if they flagged something, most packages are labelled with pen and ink, not registered in a central database like Fedex/UPS ... it just isnt possible.
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After further investigating I completely agree with fred Its highly unlikely something like this would take place. Seems to be misinformed people spreading the myth with no real knowledge.
Anyways I will update this thread when my order arrives just to calm the nerves of people worried.
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kan never be too safe but u can always be VERY SORRY....
Nice information from both sides of the ring.
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I'm really at a loss to think of one good reason for using Tor to check the tracking on your own package. But I can sure think of a few reasons why it's probably a good idea not to.
Places like MtGox will freeze your account and launch an AML (anti-money laundering) investigation if they detect you logging to their website through Tor, so it's no big stretch to think package couriers - particularly one run by the US Gov't - are capable of it. I only hope they remain sufficiently disorganized and incompetent to put into action because If they did track such things, they would flag those packages for a "closer look" or maybe just log it in a database, or maybe they would use it for pinpointing the people who *send* you packages.
Fortunately USPS is staffed and operated by half-witted public-sector workers and their tracking information, at least the public side of it, isn't updated very often (compared it to, say, UPS). But make no mistake about it - the browsing anonymity provided by Tor is effectively nullified when you're accessing personal information linked to your location and identity. It's much less likely to draw any attention if you use the normal internet for things like that.
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kan never be too safe but u can always be VERY SORRY....
Nice information from both sides of the ring.
What do you stand to gain by not being careful and not avoiding checking through Tor: nothing.
What do you stand to lose: a fucking ton.
If you really can't bring yourself to be just a little bit more careful, then... well I don't know, apparently you're out of amphetamine, but either way if you stand to lose nothing but could gain quite a bit -- for fuck's sake, do it. A little effort goes a long way. Again, I don't think it does anything either to check through Tor, but seriously... what's it hurt to assume it does?
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Uh oh. I just tracked my package thru TOR earlier before i seen this thread....hopefully it didn't get flagged
I read the thread much earlier than I posted and somehow didn't notice this post right before mine. Did't mean to incite any panic in you, and it appears that my information might be incorrect anyway, but like SS said, if it MIGHT be true, and it only takes a bare minimum amount of effort to avoid it for the sake of safety, than for safety's sake......
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Uh oh. I just tracked my package thru TOR earlier before i seen this thread....hopefully it didn't get flagged
I read the thread much earlier than I posted and somehow didn't notice this post right before mine. Did't mean to incite any panic in you, and it appears that my information might be incorrect anyway, but like SS said, if it MIGHT be true, and it only takes a bare minimum amount of effort to avoid it for the sake of safety, than for safety's sake......
I agree with you for safety's sake. I do believe at this point it is safe to check, but that could change right before our eyes. Just to stay under the radar as much as possible I will not use TOR to check Tracking from here on out. When I said "Seems to be misinformed people spreading the myth with no real knowledge" I hope nobody took that directly. It was the general consensus in other threads I looked at. But thank you for the valuable information. At least to some who check there packages with TOR and wonder the same thing they can reference this thread and not panic. I will update when I receive my package to re-insure the community if they decide to go that route.
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Never use TOR.
If domestic, at least wait 72 hours.
When using the clearnet, set your browser to search "anonymously" and do not log in to any browser profile.
This should help.
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people track packages everyday. treat the package as if its anything else legit when it comes to dealing with the PO. if your a personal buyer and dont expect a CD, its okay to track your package. On the other hand, if a CD is possible, there goes your plausible deniability because it shows you were expecting the package.