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Discussion => Silk Road discussion => Topic started by: SelfSovereignty on January 21, 2013, 10:41 am
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Seems kinda sorta, not good, ya know. Is this really intentional? I mean I can post everywhere else as usual, but I just tried to respond to something in the newbie section and couldn't find the damn button. I'm definitely logged in and obviously posting here just fine (and I see no "locked" indications), so I'm assuming it's a configuration decision.
Shouldn't people be able to help out newbies without resorting to informing people one at a time via PMs or something...?
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Seems kinda sorta, not good, ya know. Is this really intentional? I mean I can post everywhere else as usual, but I just tried to respond to something in the newbie section and couldn't find the damn button. I'm definitely logged in and obviously posting here just fine (and I see no "locked" indications), so I'm assuming it's a configuration decision.
Shouldn't people be able to help out newbies without resorting to informing people one at a time via PMs or something...?
This is an unintended consequence. The mods and other members have been complaining since day one, an admin just hasn't put any effort into it yet. It will happen, someone just needs to make sure the right person hears us.
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This is an unintended consequence. The mods and other members have been complaining since day one, an admin just hasn't put any effort into it yet. It will happen, someone just needs to make sure the right person hears us.
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It is called survival of the fittest: let the newbies make stupid mistakes, fight each other, and maybe one of 100 will become a community member :P
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This is an unintended consequence. The mods and other members have been complaining since day one, an admin just hasn't put any effort into it yet. It will happen, someone just needs to make sure the right person hears us.
It is called survival of the fittest: let the newbies make stupid mistakes, fight each other, and maybe one of 100 will become a community member :P
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This place isn't supposed to be a race to the bottom. The whole point of the forum is to encourage discussion, not pain. Limiting the annoying questions people initially have to a specific forum is fine, so long as there are people to actually answer them
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Members cant help newbies with the setup, We have alot of stickies that belong in the newbie section and they might start threads about important research instead of spamming past the 50 mark.
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after i made my 50'th post i became a jr. member and wasnt allowed to post anymore in the newbie thread >:(
i did msg some Mods asking them if we would be allowed to stay and reply in the newbie thread to help others..but yur right i suppose...
if they cant figure things out they shouldnt be here in the first place ...BUT....Everyone deserves a chance ;)
Peace,
ChemCat
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The moderators are responding to the questions as they can vest answer newbie questions without fear of misinformation or alternative reason for spreading misinformation among the new members with deception in mind.
I've made myself more than available to them and If I cant answer their questions....who can? :P
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nomad
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So then the theory is that the only people who can be trusted to talk to newbies are moderators and... other newbies?
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I thought I saw a few vendors in their that were up beyond 50 points before the section was created ut I could totally be making that up as I go right now.
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That's why i was saying hero members should be able to go there. I think if you don't know the ropes by 500 posts something is seriously wrong with you
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The moderators are responding to the questions as they can vest answer newbie questions without fear of misinformation or alternative reason for spreading misinformation among the new members with deception in mind.
I've made myself more than available to them and If I cant answer their questions....who can? :P
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nomad
If the powers that be truly feel that this is necessary, then so be it. If the majority of people can't be trusted, then I guess nobody should be. With that said, the last thing I'm going to say about it follows.
It's incredibly irritating to see the recent posts page filled with newbie section posts that I can't answer even if I have life saving information (not that the fate of entire worlds hang on my every word or anything, just pointing it out).
Also... whom does this protection serve? The users of Silk Road and the forums? Excellent, except I don't think that's being accomplished as efficiently as it might appear. There's a problem somewhere with this logic: so if I were brand new, my well being and the community as a whole would be cared for by restricting me to the newbie section. Fine then, no problems so far. But what's the motivation for this? Presumably the comfort and enjoyment of the majority (I kind of doubt Buddha appeared to DPR in a dream and said it would please him or something, so I assume it ultimately must come down to maximizing the general comfort and enjoyment of users).
... but, um... aren't the ones who've been around and feel like this place is kind of their home, users too? So... that goddamn page full of newbie posts that I have to ignore because I can't do a damn thing with them -- the ones that totally look exactly the same as the other sections I can interact in -- all of those spam-like messages must not bother me at all, because otherwise it would be greatly impacting my user experience and diminishing my comfort and enjoyment. I mean it only disrupts the primary method of interacting in a faster-than-twice-a-day-basis on the forums here... yeah, no biggie. I doubt anybody who's got more than 50 posts and/or has been around for awhile gives it a second thought.
Oh, except... it does bug me. A whole fucking lot sometimes, actually. I don't really care about not being "allowed" to post there, I don't feel belittled or anything like that. It's the simple fact that I have to be faced with questions and comments that I have no means of responding to and that blend in exactly like regular posts -- they're harder to overlook than spam. A lot harder. That's what irks me. So why's it seem like the ones getting the most consideration are the ones who just showed up yesterday? Now... if you (whoever's reading at this moment -- yes, that would be you right now) have forgotten my first two sentences in this post, you should go back and read them again, because I meant them.
It just seems a little biased in favor of new users, is all I'm saying.
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The moderators are responding to the questions as they can vest answer newbie questions without fear of misinformation or alternative reason for spreading misinformation among the new members with deception in mind.
I've made myself more than available to them and If I cant answer their questions....who can? :P
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nomad
If the powers that be truly feel that this is necessary, then so be it. If the majority of people can't be trusted, then I guess nobody should be. With that said, the last thing I'm going to say about it follows.
It's incredibly irritating to see the recent posts page filled with newbie section posts that I can't answer even if I have life saving information (not that the fate of entire worlds hang on my every word or anything, just pointing it out).
Also... whom does this protection serve? The users of Silk Road and the forums? Excellent, except I don't think that's being accomplished as efficiently as it might appear. There's a problem somewhere with this logic: so if I were brand new, my well being and the community as a whole would be cared for by restricting me to the newbie section. Fine then, no problems so far. But what's the motivation for this? Presumably the comfort and enjoyment of the majority (I kind of doubt Buddha appeared to DPR in a dream and said it would please him or something, so I assume it ultimately must come down to maximizing the general comfort and enjoyment of users).
... but, um... aren't the ones who've been around and feel like this place is kind of their home, users too? So... that goddamn page full of newbie posts that I have to ignore because I can't do a damn thing with them -- the ones that totally look exactly the same as the other sections I can interact in -- all of those spam-like messages must not bother me at all, because otherwise it would be greatly impacting my user experience and diminishing my comfort and enjoyment. I mean it only disrupts the primary method of interacting in a faster-than-twice-a-day-basis on the forums here... yeah, no biggie. I doubt anybody who's got more than 50 posts and/or has been around for awhile gives it a second thought.
Oh, except... it does bug me. A whole fucking lot sometimes, actually. I don't really care about not being "allowed" to post there, I don't feel belittled or anything like that. It's the simple fact that I have to be faced with questions and comments that I have no means of responding to and that blend in exactly like regular posts -- they're harder to overlook than spam. A lot harder. That's what irks me. So why's it seem like the ones getting the most consideration are the ones who just showed up yesterday? Now... if you (whoever's reading at this moment -- yes, that would be you right now) have forgotten my first two sentences in this post, you should go back and read them again, because I meant them.
It just seems a little biased in favor of new users, is all I'm saying.
hey SelfSoverignty, pretty much made up this part: "without fear of misinformation or alternative reason for spreading misinformation among the new members with deception in mind":
as an excuse to not make the admins look to lazy to fix it so older members could come in the section, realistically I havent been given a reason yet, so i was just taken the burden on myself. I advise you to PM an admin to ask if you can help or if the section can be altered to allow members with over 50 posts into the section to help newbies. I'm sure DPR thought about it and came up with something but I think there are alot more newbs registering daily than he might have guessed. Do for the blanket reason I gave the admin for not having the section accessible to other very knowledgeable members. I have no real excuse for the comment except i was kinda high yesterday and was answering as many newbie questions as I could so instead of sending the admin a PM I kinda steamrollered an excuse not really realizing what it sounded like til today.
I'll send a PM now and please do also if you wish to contributem didnt mean to actually shut out knowledgeable members but it seems I did without thinking levelheaded.
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nomad
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So then the theory is that the only people who can be trusted to talk to newbies are moderators and... other newbies?
It's true I personally was putting the section ahead of the rest of the forum yesterday.
The reason I did that was because I thought it was time for the subforum to start evolving into a functiong section of the forum rather than a thunderdomesque spam factory.
To answer Self Sovereignty's question IDK yet if it is in fact intentional pr an overlooked issue. I am know leaving this thread to submit a pm to admin on this topic and I advise anyone interestee in helping out in the newbie section to submit a PM asking the same thing.
Once again I'm sorry for disrespecting honorable members without thought to how they felt. It is very rare I mess up but when I do I admit it with out a second thought.
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nomad
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I don't think that's the case at all. While there are a lot of spamming and other unhelpful activities going on in that subforum, I've been rather active there answering questions from new members. I made this account and it's sequel to help out the newbies. I've seen other seasoned members with new accounts down there too helping out a lot. I just don't think people are taking the time to pay attention and notice these things.
I will say that the mods HAVE been very active(more than they normally would) in the new subforum actively helping it's inhabitants. ;)
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I don't think that's the case at all. While there are a lot of spamming and other unhelpful activities going on in that subforum, I've been rather active there answering questions from new members. I made this account and it's sequel to help out the newbies. I've seen other seasoned members with new accounts down there too helping out a lot. I just don't think people are taking the time to pay attention and notice these things.
I will say that the mods HAVE been very active(more than they normally would) in the new subforum actively helping it's inhabitants. ;)
I've notved vendors and othes past 5- helpimg but sill waitng a trponsefro admin.
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this has been fixed, right?
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this has been fixed, right?
Yup
just checked
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Oh it was fixed, I thought it was some sort of glitch that I was able to post in those sections..
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That's pretty sweet. Don't have to make new accounts to help the newbs anymore.
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Well that only took 6 days to fix. :)
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Well that only took 6 days to fix. :)
Honestly, I'm 100% satisfied that DPR actually checked in to verify that it's fixed. I really have no clue what happens behind the scenes, but over the past 6 or so months, I have gone from being very impressed, to thinking nobody bothered looking at the site at all anymore, to again thinking that somebody's putting in genuine effort and trying to make people happy.
It was a very minor issue. 6 days is perfectly acceptable.