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Market => Rumor mill => Topic started by: TastEtrEats on December 15, 2012, 08:22 pm
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So last night I had two orders finalize at the exact moment. One for a QP and one for a pound. The money showed up in my account for a QP but the pound money never showed up in my account nor did the feedback ever show in my SR page. I Messaged vendor support but no reply so far. It shows up in my account history as being payed but the btc never showed up in my account. I never noticed if this happened before because I just trusted the sr system but yesterday I had no money in my account so I was able to notice all this happen. Normally I have about 15 k in escrow out and don't really keep track of payments but from now on I will. Have any other vendors experienced this before?
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If true, this is extremely disturbing. Frankly -- and I mean no offense -- I'm leaning toward "you must be mistaken."
If this is possible, the system is not fit to be used in its current state. And we're all using it. Hence, extremely disturbing.
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If true, this is extremely disturbing. Frankly -- and I mean no offense -- I'm leaning toward "you must be mistaken."
If this is possible, the system is not fit to be used in its current state. And we're all using it. Hence, extremely disturbing.
No mistake made. I was online while all this happened which is why I noticed it. I normally get paid anywhere from 1k-15k in one day. Lucky for me yesterday was slow so I noticed it. My account was never credited for 88 btc. Still no reply from vendor support and this was over 12 hours ago.
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This would have been noticed long before now. Unless something has changed recently, which appears to be the case (complaints of shipping options disappearing, thereby preventing people from purchasing a listing).
It occurs to me though... what if the bitcoins were never in the buyer's account to begin with? I mean what if someone found a way to hack the order system -- what would it do? If it never expected that to be possible, why would your account be credited with bitcoins that were never there in the first place?
I don't like the idea that someone could have figured out how to place orders without having the bitcoins to place them... but in a way, it's less volatile than the whole fucking system just being unreliable. Also, NOT crediting an account is the way to do this. It's the smart choice, not the "selfish self preservation choice," which it may seem at first glance. If you take it on good faith that an order which has gone through really did have the bitcoins for a transaction, then you open yourself up to a massive, MASSIVE security hole. The entire SR balance for a year could be siphoned in a single day with a coordinated attack. So basically, log some kind of notice and leave the order sitting there for further human review. Don't just give people bitcoins that they "should" have.
Also, don't forget, when you deposit bitcoins into an SR account, they get almost immediately re-sent to some other address as part of the SR mixing service. So really... the coins in our accounts aren't actually at our bitcoin addresses at all. It's all SR and their database after that.
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I haven't had any issue and I've had a lot of spends run through my account lately.
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Ack! Keeping an eye on this. In the meantime, I'd suggest that in the future, maybe keeping the majority of your BTC off of SR would be a good idea. I'm not accusing SR of anything - just that problems with BTC in SR wallets seems to be a common problem, and if/when the site goes down, it would suck to have too much tied up here. I keep all of mine offsite so I can keep a closer eye on it, and maintain control over my btc regardless of whether SR is up, down, or sideways!
I always manually withdraw right as soon as I get paid. I was answering emails yesterday when I had to transactions finalize at the same moment. One for a QP and one for a LB. I only was credited for the QP. I went to my account history to see who paid me when I realized that someone finalized on a lb at the same time as the QP. I went to my SR page and it only shows feedback for the QP. I'm going to take a screen shot on my laptop so you can see how the 88.btc jus go missing on my account history without being withdrawn,
Anyways going on like 16 hours since I wrote vendor support and still no reply. This happened once before on a lb also I forgot to mention. It took a day but I was credited to my account before I got a reply which never came which I thought was weird. Anyways I just wanted to hear if any other vendors have gone through this before. This is going to make me have a vigilant eye on my account.
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still no reply or btc in my account
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This happened to me. The buyer finalized 2 items at the same time and I only received payment for 1 and gotten 2 feedback. I looked at my history and it said the order was finalized and no funds were given. Since I am a small time vendor I noticed this easily. Big time guys I can see them losing money and not noticing it.
I messaged Vendor support and a DPR credited my account.
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This happened to me. The buyer finalized 2 items at the same time and I only received payment for 1 and gotten 2 feedback. I looked at my history and it said the order was finalized and no funds were given. Since I am a small time vendor I noticed this easily. Big time guys I can see them losing money and not noticing it.
I messaged Vendor support and a DPR credited my account.
this is NOT good. I get payed some days up to 15 to 20k in escrow and now I will have to have a vigilent eye on my records. Still no answer form DPR or vendor support. I wonder how many other big vendors didn't and haven't noticed....
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This happened to me. The buyer finalized 2 items at the same time and I only received payment for 1 and gotten 2 feedback. I looked at my history and it said the order was finalized and no funds were given. Since I am a small time vendor I noticed this easily. Big time guys I can see them losing money and not noticing it.
I messaged Vendor support and a DPR credited my account.
this is NOT good. I get payed some days up to 15 to 20k in escrow and now I will have to have a vigilent eye on my records. Still no answer form DPR or vendor support. I wonder how many other big vendors didn't and haven't noticed....
That would suck to lose even $200 as there is a lot I could do with that even though it does not sound like me. Taste- there has got to be some billing or sales software you can use like Quicken, or even put toogether an Excel spreadsheet to keep track of payments and escrow. Even if you get many orders, I would be tracking as much as I could to prevent something like this.
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This happened to me. The buyer finalized 2 items at the same time and I only received payment for 1 and gotten 2 feedback. I looked at my history and it said the order was finalized and no funds were given. Since I am a small time vendor I noticed this easily. Big time guys I can see them losing money and not noticing it.
I messaged Vendor support and a DPR credited my account.
this is NOT good. I get payed some days up to 15 to 20k in escrow and now I will have to have a vigilent eye on my records. Still no answer form DPR or vendor support. I wonder how many other big vendors didn't and haven't noticed....
That would suck to lose even $200 as there is a lot I could do with that even though it does not sound like me. Taste- there has got to be some billing or sales software you can use like Quicken, or even put toogether an Excel spreadsheet to keep track of payments and escrow. Even if you get many orders, I would be tracking as much as I could to prevent something like this.
I have excel just haven't used it until now. I'm going to look into quiken. Still no answer either.
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This is very frustrating. Still no answer as to what happened with my $1800.../? SR vendor support has never taken this long and I have sent like 5 messages . Any other vendors having this problem?
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This is somewhat disturbing...
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still nothing, TastEtrEats?
Yup, finally got a message from the captain with an apology and a refund. No explanation as to why this happened tho. If i would had gotten about 10-15k in sale that day there is no way I would had noticed as I just trusted the SR system. But for this to happen a few times is a little nerve racking. Anyways got the money at least. Keep an eye out vendors
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This would have been noticed long before now. Unless something has changed recently, which appears to be the case (complaints of shipping options disappearing, thereby preventing people from purchasing a listing).
It occurs to me though... what if the bitcoins were never in the buyer's account to begin with? I mean what if someone found a way to hack the order system -- what would it do? If it never expected that to be possible, why would your account be credited with bitcoins that were never there in the first place?
I don't like the idea that someone could have figured out how to place orders without having the bitcoins to place them... but in a way, it's less volatile than the whole fucking system just being unreliable. Also, NOT crediting an account is the way to do this. It's the smart choice, not the "selfish self preservation choice," which it may seem at first glance. If you take it on good faith that an order which has gone through really did have the bitcoins for a transaction, then you open yourself up to a massive, MASSIVE security hole. The entire SR balance for a year could be siphoned in a single day with a coordinated attack. So basically, log some kind of notice and leave the order sitting there for further human review. Don't just give people bitcoins that they "should" have.
Also, don't forget, when you deposit bitcoins into an SR account, they get almost immediately re-sent to some other address as part of the SR mixing service. So really... the coins in our accounts aren't actually at our bitcoin addresses at all. It's all SR and their database after that.
if i am not mistaken.. i Finalized on that LB..
and i don't even know how to hack soo....
"1 LB triple aaa cannabis for Thumbs tastEtrEats(100) 5 of 5 very smooth transaction.
everything was flawless.
thanks TT.
haven't had a chance to weigh it but i will update when i do.
everything looks good.. and you deserve your money so here it is. :)"
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/thumbs
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Thanks for pointing this out. I will keep a manual reckoning from now on.
Great that you got your money, but is very disturbing that it happened at all - and that no explanation was given.
Have you heard anything more to date?
BG
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Wow...
Guess I need to start keeping my own records.
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This is just a stab in the dark, but I'd say the "SR Quickbuy" image overlay scam that you can now see on some photographs on vendors' listings, which apparently is due to malware from an SQL injection attack, might be indicative of a pattern of unpatched software or loophole that some enterprising hacker may have found. It's not too much of a stretch to think maybe your missing money might be a result of a malicious attack or some bug in the software.
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I don't believe those two issues are related at all, what happened to TT does however sound like a bug in the system.
TT, did you ever get feedback on that purchase, think you mentioned that initially you didn't see coins *or* feedback.