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Discussion => Drug safety => Topic started by: BlueGiraffe on December 01, 2012, 10:20 pm
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Hi all...
I'm starting a thread on GHB best practices and general FAQ here. I will focus on GHB in general and on our product in particular - because I know it and because it is good.
Please feel free to ask any questions and I will answer them to the best of my ability - I have many years of experience with GHB and other drugs so hopefully can be of service.
If you have less than 50 posts we can dialog here: http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=108363.0
BlueGiraffe
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BlueGiraffe Vendor Page:
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Hello Silk Roaders :)
BlueGiraffe is here to provide you with proper GHB. Once and for all.
That is 99.5%+ assay, pure white crystalline gamma-hydroxybutyrate powder. It is the sodium salt form (Na-GHB) which is the most popular and tastes and feels the best.
It is also stronger by weight (about 13%) compared to the potassium salt form (K-GHB). Additionally, although K-GHB should theoretically be the same pharmacologically, it seems to not have quite the same euphoria (even when dosage is adjusted to the same activity as Na-GHB).
Our product is pharmaceutical grade, professionally lab produced dry crystal powder - the only form of GHB that should be used (for reasons of both safety and pleasure).
Liquid GHB's are, in our opinion, always suspect and of potentially dubious quality because they can be produced by amateur chemists, and most often are. (There will of course be exceptions to this where decent quality liquid is produced, but these are very rare in our experience.)
Potential problems with home-brew liquid GHB's include unreacted GBL (the primary precursor - not very tasty or healthy at all), dangerously high pH (from unreacted NaOH) and contaminants from low quality industrial grade reagents.
Our GHB is produced in a professional lab from only pharmaceutical grade reagents. We have a highly refined and tested synthesis protocol, and are the preferred global supplier to connoisseurs of this wonderful substance.
The taste of our product is excellent - mildly salty and very natural tasting, a bit like teardrops :)
GHB is a superb drug - relaxing, pleasurable, euphoric, tactile, wonderfully sensual and deeply sexual - and is very clean on the body.
It is completely metabolized to carbon dioxide and water and, along with DMT, is one of only two drugs that are endogenous neurochemicals - i.e. the body already makes them and the brain uses them. So the body knows exactly what to do with it, has the correct enzymes to metabolize it, and is generally very comfortable with it.
If you want to read more about it there are two excellent books on GHB available on Amazon:
* http://www.amazon.com/GHB-Natural-Enhancer-Ward-Dean/dp/0962741868/
* http://www.amazon.com/Better-Sex-Through-Chemistry-Nutrients/dp/0962741825/
There are also three very good articles on GHB here:
* http://www.biopsychiatry.com/ghb/authentic.html
* http://www.life-enhancement.com/magazine/article/76-the-truth-about-ghb-steven-fowkes-testifies-to-the-california-state-legislature-committee
* http://fr0gman.wordpress.com/discover-the-regenerative-effects-of-ghb-the-elixir-of-life/
Our Silk Road Forum FAQ / Best Practices Page can be accessed here: http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=90582.0
Enhancing the MDMA experience with GHB information here: http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=90975
Vendor Review Thread here: http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=110447.0
Newbie (less than 50 posts) BlueGiraffe GHB Everything Thread here: http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=108363.0
GHB needs to be used correctly to enjoy its magic:
Firstly, if you take too much you will fall into a deep sleep from which you cannot be woken for a couple of hours - and you will miss all the fun!
This state is actually proper restful sleep and is not dangerous, but you may alarm your friends if they are not familiar with GHB.
It is best start slowly, taking 0.5g to 1g at a time and slowly building up (in the same way one would drink alcohol). We suggest spacing doses about 25 - 30 minutes apart until you are in the zone.
GHB is best mixed in a glass of water. It is pleasant, and has a mild salty taste. [K-GHB has a slightly more bitter taste.]
GHB dosing is body weight dependent so adjust accordingly - and ladies tend to be more sensitive to it even apart from the lower body weight, so please take this into account. (Another reason you should only use powder GHB is that with liquid GHB's you are never 100% certain of the dosage, as different manufacturers and sellers will dilute to different concentrations.)
GHB combines very well with stimulants (particularly cocaine), and taken towards the end of an MDMA experience it is excellent! It will mellow the come-down, re-invigorate the energy of the MDMA and bring a profound sexual dimension into play that was not there before.
It does not combine well with CNS depressants and can be dangerous in combination with them. So if you're doing GHB then stay entirely away from alcohol, opiates, barbiturates, benzodiazepines, methaqualone and ketamine. Using GHB with Cannabis is fine.
A small percentage of people do experience some nausea the first time they take it, but only if they push the dosage too far, and then never again subsequently. At normal doses nausea is never an issue. The main thing is to take it slow until you are familiar with the drug.
It is great in a party situation as a social euphoriant, and even better in the bedroom where it truly comes into its own. In our opinion there no single drug that is as effective an aphrodisiac and pleasure enhancer as GHB. And when combined with its favourite sisters (MDMA, cocaine, Moxy and 2C-B) you have Love-Sex-Passion-Magic like never before!
This is our first foray onto the Silk Road and we trust we will provide you with an excellent service.
We will be finding our feet initially and we hope you will indulge us, but what we will always guarantee are excellent gear, totally discrete and professional shipping (you will be impressed) and 100% ethical business practices.
Please ask any questions you might have :)
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Basic GHB Safety Rules:
1. Use pharmaceutical grade GHB powder only. GHB powder is always clean whereas liquid may not be. Liquid GHB's may contain unreacted GBL (which will change the dosing dynamics - and is very heavy on the liver) or unreacted NaOH (which can burn you). Also it is easy for amateur kitchen chemists to make liquid GHB, and so quality may not be up to proper lab standards. The main reason to use powder though is that the dose can be known exactly, rather than guessed, as is the case with liquid.
2. NEVER mix GHB with any CNS depressants. This includes alcohol, opiates, barbiturates, benzodiazepines, methaqualone and ketamine - as well as other sedatives, hypnotics, sleeping pills, muscle relaxants etc. Not before, not during and not after. Leave at least 48 hours (and preferably longer) on either side of GHB use before/after using these. Interactions between GHB and these drugs are THE primary cause of all problems.
3. Be cautious using GHB on a full stomach. The GHB will be absorbed a lot slower, causing one to potentially re-dose based on not feeling it. And then all of that GHB will finally kick in sometime later leading to a higher dose than one intended to take.
4. If someone takes too much GHB (not in combination with the above-mentioned) and passes out, then let them be. Monitor them, put them on their side so if they do vomit it does not clog their airway, and let them sleep it off. It's not a problem, it's not a coma, it will be OK. If someone is "twitching" this is not anything serious but simply a response in the body (called myoclonus) which happens when someone is right on the edge of falling sleep - an indication that the dose has gone just a little too high.
5. Dosing should be done progressively (perhaps 1g - 2g every 30 - 60 minutes, erring towards the lower dose and longer interval), rather than a larger dose all at once. That way people can adjust the dose based on how they are feeling.
6. Leave at least 48 hours between GHB sessions.
7. Maintain overall health through good diet, exercise and moderate (not excessive) drug use.
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Good GHB Information Links:
http://www.life-enhancement.com/magazine/article/76-the-truth-about-ghb-steven-fowkes-testifies-to-the-california-state-legislature-committee [excellent]
http://www.biopsychiatry.com/ghb/authentic.html [very good]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamma-Hydroxybutyric_acid [not entirely accurate in places - read with discrimination]
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/ghb/ghb.shtml [some accurate, some not - read with discrimination]
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/80348-GHB-1-4B [pretty good]
http://old.disinfo.com/archive/pages/dossier/id137/pg1/index.html [cool + further decent links. cannot vouch for link to supplier]
http://users.lycaeum.org/~ghbfaq/metafaq.html [comprehensive with sub FAQ's. some broken links]
http://www.hedweb.com/ecstasy/index.html [search for GHB]
http://biopsychiatry.com/ [search for GHB]
http://fr0gman.wordpress.com/discover-the-regenerative-effects-of-ghb-the-elixir-of-life/ [very good]
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nice guide! makes me want to try.
http://www.ceri.com/report.htm [excellent]
broken link
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You should try - is a very precious substance...
Thanks for the heads-up re the link - was working yesterday - suspect (hope) will be up again when they pay their bill.
In the meantime I think this is a mirror: http://www.life-enhancement.com/magazine/article/76-the-truth-about-ghb-steven-fowkes-testifies-to-the-california-state-legislature-committee
And some further info here: http://users.lycaeum.org/~ghbfaq/metafaq.html
BG
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Thanks. Your guide cleared a couple of things I was going to message you about, but can you use alcohol in moderation before taking a dose? Like a beer or two earlier in the evening? Is it deathly harmful or just long-term use with the combination that causes problems? I've tried it several times in the past and I was on a wide variety of drugs that you stated were harmful in the combination. I guess I should just keep the dosage low.
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My basic recommendation is to never have alcohol and GHB in the same body at the same time. A beer or two (as you suggest) earlier in the evening is not going to kill you - BUT it is still better not to mix them up at all. This is from a safety perspective - but also from a PLEASURE perspective :)
GHB will generally feel more euphoric without having alcohol in the system at the same time. The alcohol will tend to lean the experience of GHB more towards alcohol itself, and obscure the higher, more MDMA-like aspects of GHB. My point of view...
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Thanks for clearing that up. I want to have the best experience, so I'll do as you suggested. Thanks for the knowledge.
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You're welcome :)
Speaking of MDMA, I will never do it without GHB on hand, and nor will anyone else I know either. The reason...?
MDMA and GHB: Designed to work together!
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Everyone who knows and loves MDMA for the blessed sacrament that it is, knows that there is also a shadow, a sting in the tail.
For me personally, the hardest thing is being "cast out of heaven" as the MDMA space starts to fragment and I remember again my un-blissful self. This is of course when we might consider re-dosing - which you can get away with once, but generally not twice (without somewhat gnarly consequences).
Then there is the cold hard reality of non-ecstasy (and potentially post-MDMA tension and edginess) followed by being totally washed out the next day - and then the proverbial "Suicide Tuesday" where the effects of serotonin depletion are felt good and proper.
Using GHB after MDMA is a way to totally change this experience :)
As follows:
Whether one is doing single dose MDMA or with a kicker at the 1-2 hour point, there will come a time when the MDMA experience first starts to fragment and you start to drop out.
This is the time to start taking GHB, normally as a first single dose of 1.5g - 2.5g, and this should be taken the moment the first drop is noted in the MDMA. (And ideally one would have experimented with GHB on its own before hand in order to be familiar with its dosing dynamics.)
What will happen is that the GHB will come on in 15-25 minutes (and while there is still some MDMA activity), and essentially re-energize the MDMA space completely - while also adding its own character.
There will be a deep and relaxing rush, often an even fuller euphoric empathy than felt originally and, most delightfully, the adding of the strong erotic and humorous nature of GHB :)
MDMA is generally very sensual, but not directly sexual. GHB will add a deeply erotic, disinhibited and sexual dimension to the space. If you are with your lover at this point there will definitely be movement into deep and released sexual play.
Most importantly, the usual sensation of coming off MDMA will be totally not noticed in the rushy pleasure as the two drugs gracefully blend and the GHB starts to take over from the MDMA. The GHB will certainly extend the MDMA roll for a couple of hours, and as you can re-dose GHB repeatedly without ill-effects (within reason) you can extend the zone for a long time.
In time the GHB will put you down into a deep and restful sleep, from which you will awaken some hours later feeling refreshed and way more energized than you would have been without it. There will still be some residual tiredness in the system from the MDMA, but much less, and generally the following day will be much smoother and easier - and even totally benign.
Everyone I know who has used GHB in this way, flat refuses to take MDMA without it now, and it's the same for me. It's frankly not worth it. And the pleasurable elaboration of the potential of MDMA by the GHB makes for a much richer experience altogether.
So there it is! It is my hope that this information will give more people the opportunity to profoundly enrich their MDMA use and also mitigate most of the unpleasant after-effects.
Any questions, just ask...
BG
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Posting to stay subbed, can't wait to place my first order :)
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this is really good information. thanks. i'm thinking about ording some ghb to try out too
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Whether one is doing single dose MDMA or with a kicker at the 1-2 hour point, there will come a time when the MDMA experience first starts to fragment and you start to drop out.
Everyone I know who has used GHB in this way, flat refuses to take MDMA without it now, and it's the same for me. It's frankly not worth it. And the pleasurable elaboration of the potential of MDMA by the GHB makes for a much richer experience altogether.
BG
100% Agree. The two work very well together. I find that one does too much mdma when rolling without ghb. It helps take the edge off of the roll as well.
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Damn, you're full of GHB knowledge. It has got me looking at it in a different light. I didn't know about using it with MDMA. I roll once or twice a month so next time I go to a show I will try it out with my GF. Thanks again.
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some questions
Does regular use of GHB create dosage tolerences to it?
If it works on gaba receptors does being tolereant to benzos create tolerances to ghb?
Is mixing viagra and ghb safe?
Is mixing amyl nitrites (poppers) a bad idea with ghb?
Is mixing ghb and methamphatamine safe?
Why do people prefer to take ghb during the comedown phase of mdma? what happens if you do it before your peak?
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How is GHB and sex?
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How is GHB and sex?
It's thoroughly good. GHB for me is like the ideal mix of MDA/MDMA and Alcohol, which is not a good mix in real life.
It's all the lack of inhibitions of alcohol with some of the euphoria from MDMA, definitely more like alcohol though.
MDMA is wonderful for sex but at anything other than low doses I lose the ability to maintain an erection, never had this problem on GHB. Some of the best drug sex of my life was with this substance. Mixes great with weed too, but what doesn't.
No hangovers or other symptoms of dehydration, sleep like a baby afterwards.
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some questions
Does regular use of GHB create dosage tolerences to it?
If it works on gaba receptors does being tolereant to benzos create tolerances to ghb?
Is mixing viagra and ghb safe?
Is mixing amyl nitrites (poppers) a bad idea with ghb?
Is mixing ghb and methamphatamine safe?
Why do people prefer to take ghb during the comedown phase of mdma? what happens if you do it before your peak?
1....somewhat. not to the extent of mdma though
2.....never had a problem with it
3....Never liked poppers....definitely don't mix them with viagra
4....meth users love ghb. helps them sleep
5....it takes the edge off and helps them sleep...at least for me. GHB just intensifies the roll I believe.
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Blue,
You have me super pumped to use GHB with MDMA. I have some Super Trips MDMA arriving soon and I am really looking forward to the mix when the MDMA magic starts to slip away. I have one question though. I have never mixed the 2, it has been ages since I have had GHB and I will not get to really test run the with your GHB because I have a feeling it will arrive either the night before or the same day as my wife and I are planning to take MDMA. So, now to the question.
Should we both start with .5g and roll with it from there? I do know I am only going to make up a total of 1 gram a piece for my wife and I. This way we can stay in control. I do not want to get to silly.
Let me know your thoughts.
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Whats the best way to do the GHB when your coming down off your roll then? Dump 1g of powder into like 150ml of your water bottle shake it up and down it?
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Interesting, been looking for something to mix with mdma to prolong it. Just grabed some GHB looking forward to trying it out.
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some questions
Does regular use of GHB create dosage tolerences to it?
If it works on gaba receptors does being tolereant to benzos create tolerances to ghb?
Is mixing viagra and ghb safe?
Is mixing amyl nitrites (poppers) a bad idea with ghb?
Is mixing ghb and methamphatamine safe?
Why do people prefer to take ghb during the comedown phase of mdma? what happens if you do it before your peak?
Depends on how regularly you are talking about. If daily for a long time then sure, some tolerance will be built - but under more "conventional use" this is generally not the case.
GHB vs benzos: I'm not 100% sure on this. Yes GHB and benzos both affect GABA receptors, but GABA-A for benzos and GABA-B for GHB, and the overall mechanism of action is not identical comparing the two. I would expect the potential for some cross-tolerance, but only some. Experimentation as always is the way. I'm not into benzos so would not do that experiment myself. Anyone else have any real-life input with this one?
I would exercise some caution with Viagra as it does decrease blood pressure to a degree - and with GHB this could be enhanced - more than one wants. Not saying no - just proceed with care.
Ditto with poppers for the same reasons.
With methamphetamine should be fine - and probably pretty good actually :)
GHB taken early on or prior to MDMA just seems to not work that well. I don't know why this is so - I just know it doesn't feel as good as when taken during the MDMA comedown...
BG
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Blue,
You have me super pumped to use GHB with MDMA. I have some Super Trips MDMA arriving soon and I am really looking forward to the mix when the MDMA magic starts to slip away. I have one question though. I have never mixed the 2, it has been ages since I have had GHB and I will not get to really test run the with your GHB because I have a feeling it will arrive either the night before or the same day as my wife and I are planning to take MDMA. So, now to the question.
Should we both start with .5g and roll with it from there? I do know I am only going to make up a total of 1 gram a piece for my wife and I. This way we can stay in control. I do not want to get to silly.
Let me know your thoughts.
When transitioning from MDMA to GHB I like to go in a little higher - about 1 - 1.5g (for 70kg body weight) as an initial dose, and then follow with 0.5g - 1g every 30-45 minutes. Adjust for body weight for your wife and then deduct 25% to account for women's greater sensitivity to GHB (not sure why this is but appears to be so).
Silly is good ;)
Enjoy amigo!
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Whats the best way to do the GHB when your coming down off your roll then? Dump 1g of powder into like 150ml of your water bottle shake it up and down it?
Yes, and read this: http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=90975.0
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5. Dosing should be done progressively (perhaps 1g - 2g every 30 - 60 minutes, erring towards the lower dose and longer interval), rather than a larger dose all at once. That way people can adjust the dose based on how they are feeling.
What? I think you should change this information, sounds like you can 1g or even 2g every 30mn! 2g is a standard dose, most guides recommend 1h30 before redosing, safely only after 2H, or effects add up = pass out or OD..
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5. Dosing should be done progressively (perhaps 1g - 2g every 30 - 60 minutes, erring towards the lower dose and longer interval), rather than a larger dose all at once. That way people can adjust the dose based on how they are feeling.
What? I think you should change this information, sounds like you can 1g or even 2g every 30mn! 2g is a standard dose, most guides recommend 1h30 before redosing, safely only after 2H, or effects add up = pass out or OD..
That's why I said "erring towards the lower dose and longer interval", i.e. closer to 1g every 60 minutes (which will actually be a little low for most). 1g every 30 minutes is fine. 2g every 60 minutes is fine (though I personally prefer to do smaller doses more frequently) - though would need to be tapered off once in the zone. 2g every 30 minutes would be a bit much - so thanks for suggesting an elaboration here. [And these doses are all presupposing a relatively empty stomach and no other depressant drugs being taken concurrently.]
Essentially these guidelines are for those starting out with GHB - and merely as a basis upon which people can figure out what works for them. And starting low while building experience is always the best way.
And for the record, "passing out" (read "falling asleep") is not such a big deal, and can be quite pleasant in a supportive circumstance (though of course one misses out on the fun). It is not inherently dangerous - but best to stay awake ultimately...
BG
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Hello any one with experience combining 5-MeO-MIPT / Moxy with NBOME or MDMA?
Also curious how GHB stalks with NBOme?
Any input would be greatly appreciated.
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Have my second order of BG's glorious G powder on the way. The shipping time is excruciatingly lengthy (at least it was the first time around), but the product is worth the wait. Seriously. If you like GHB, you can't do much better than pharm grade powder. Your average liquid does not compare.
I hope you're around for a long time to come, BG.
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Hello any one with experience combining 5-MeO-MIPT / Moxy with NBOME or MDMA?
Also curious how GHB stalks with NBOme?
Any input would be greatly appreciated.
Can't speak to most of those combos, but Moxy + GHB is good.
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would you happen to know anything about the storage life of your powdered form of GHB?
in a room temperature enviroment, in a dark enivroment, sealed from moisture using moisture absorbers and possibly even vacumn sealed how long do you think the chemical will last? are we talking years ?
what are some factors that may contribute/degrade the powdered form of ghb's shelf life?
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would you happen to know anything about the storage life of your powdered form of GHB?
in a room temperature enviroment, in a dark enivroment, sealed from moisture using moisture absorbers and possibly even vacumn sealed how long do you think the chemical will last? are we talking years ?
what are some factors that may contribute/degrade the powdered form of ghb's shelf life?
It will keep for years if stored right. Dry, sealed from oxygen, dark and cool (glass jar in a dark cupboard is good - refrigerator preferably not).
The usual degradors of all things including GHB are oxygen, moisture, heat and light. In addition GHB is hygroscopic and will pull moisture out of the air so always keep sealed.
BG
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Thanks for the info, Blue! I really can appreciate all the links too. +1
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Thanks for the info, Blue! I really can appreciate all the links too. +1
You're very welcome :)
I will shortly be adding a very detailed "Art of Dosing" tutorial to this thread. Feels needed...
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I will shortly be adding a very detailed "Art of Dosing" tutorial to this thread. Feels needed...
Looking forward to this as I have my first order in transit. Hope it is posted before order arrives :)
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Shouldn't be too hard given the speed of the Christmas mail at the moment!
Seriously though, is coming soon... :)
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1.) is it ok to stuff the ghb powder into caposules and have then say in 600mg increments?
2.) if one cant use benzos on stim+ghb combos does one settle down enough to sleep when on stims after using ghb or will they still be up all night?
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1. Yes. Though the capsules may take on some moisture after a couple days due to GHB's hygroscopic nature.
2. Depends. Enough GHB will always put you down - build it up slow until you're feeling sleepy - will always work.
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Still no 25g pack to the US after about 3 weeks. I have 10 more days in resolution because I know these packs can take a while from BG due to previous forum posts.
Crossing my fingers!
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Still no 25g pack to the US after about 3 weeks. I have 10 more days in resolution because I know these packs can take a while from BG due to previous forum posts.
Crossing my fingers!
I would not worry about it my friend. I had 2 packages, 50g's and 10g's going to 2 different places here on the East Coast. The 50 took 29 days from shipment to delivery. The 10g's I am uncertain I was out of town for the holiday, but I can def say it was after the 29 day mark. I really would not worry even a little bit. Blue G ships snail mail and prolly comes over on a row boat LMAO!!! BUT, packaging is so stealth you will know what you have in your hands but you may wonder if you should partake in glory because the packaging is that PERFECT!!! Enjoy my friend it will arrive soon!
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thanks you for this. nice info
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any word on that dosing guide?
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Still no 25g pack to the US after about 3 weeks. I have 10 more days in resolution because I know these packs can take a while from BG due to previous forum posts.
Crossing my fingers!
Hey awesome1126,
Sorry to hear you are still waiting for your order, and thanks for being patient.
There are 3 orders (including yours) from that shipment batch that appear to still be in transit (though all the others have delivered fine - most in the last couple of days).
I propose we re-extend for another 10 days to allow the holiday mail backlog to clear, and if it's still not delivered then we will re-ship to you again at our expense. Or issue a full re-fund if that is your preference.
But from looking at the delivery time for other orders, my sense is it will be delivered in the first week of the new year.
Sorry about this delay. We stand by our commitment though to get you your gear - so that's guaranteed.
Let me know as soon as it arrives please.
BG
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Still no 25g pack to the US after about 3 weeks. I have 10 more days in resolution because I know these packs can take a while from BG due to previous forum posts.
Crossing my fingers!
I would not worry about it my friend. I had 2 packages, 50g's and 10g's going to 2 different places here on the East Coast. The 50 took 29 days from shipment to delivery. The 10g's I am uncertain I was out of town for the holiday, but I can def say it was after the 29 day mark. I really would not worry even a little bit. Blue G ships snail mail and prolly comes over on a row boat LMAO!!! BUT, packaging is so stealth you will know what you have in your hands but you may wonder if you should partake in glory because the packaging is that PERFECT!!! Enjoy my friend it will arrive soon!
We have recently acquired a new outboard motor for our rowing boat so things should be better in the new year! Seriously though we have just modified our shipping methodology so we should see meaningful improvements in delivery times for orders placed from January 1, 2013.
Glad you like the packaging Rainbow ;)
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How does it mix with Mephedrone? Sounds very tempting, will be ordering some soon for sure. Thanks for all the useful information!
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There is nothing wrong with mixing other downers with GHB, obviously you have to take less of each because of the potenation.
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How does it mix with Mephedrone? Sounds very tempting, will be ordering some soon for sure. Thanks for all the useful information!
Should combo fine - and be pretty good actually :) though no personal experience. GHB combines very well with most stimulants...
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Nice one! Will be trying that combo soon for sure, once my brain has recovered a bit from the last few days!
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There is nothing wrong with mixing other downers with GHB, obviously you have to take less of each because of the potenation.
That is definitely 100% wrong! And it can be dangerous.
NEVER mix GHB with any CNS depressants. This includes alcohol, opiates, barbiturates, benzodiazepines, methaqualone and ketamine - as well as other sedatives, hypnotics, sleeping pills, muscle relaxants etc. Not before, not during and not after. Leave at least 48 hours (and preferably longer) on either side of GHB use before/after using these. Interactions between GHB and these drugs are THE primary cause of all problems.
BG
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There is nothing wrong with mixing other downers with GHB, obviously you have to take less of each because of the potenation.
That is definitely 100% wrong! And it can be dangerous.
NEVER mix GHB with any CNS depressants. This includes alcohol, opiates, barbiturates, benzodiazepines, methaqualone and ketamine - as well as other sedatives, hypnotics, sleeping pills, muscle relaxants etc. Not before, not during and not after. Leave at least 48 hours (and preferably longer) on either side of GHB use before/after using these. Interactions between GHB and these drugs are THE primary cause of all problems.
BG
Yeah it can be dangerous, GHB alone can be dangerous.. so what? ive mixed GHB with heroin, valium, xanax, even small amounts of alcohol, as i said, the key is low doses.
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I extended my resolution another 10 days due to BG's awesome communication and reassurance :)
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There is nothing wrong with mixing other downers with GHB, obviously you have to take less of each because of the potenation.
That is definitely 100% wrong! And it can be dangerous.
NEVER mix GHB with any CNS depressants. This includes alcohol, opiates, barbiturates, benzodiazepines, methaqualone and ketamine - as well as other sedatives, hypnotics, sleeping pills, muscle relaxants etc. Not before, not during and not after. Leave at least 48 hours (and preferably longer) on either side of GHB use before/after using these. Interactions between GHB and these drugs are THE primary cause of all problems.
BG
Yeah it can be dangerous, GHB alone can be dangerous.. so what? ive mixed GHB with heroin, valium, xanax, even small amounts of alcohol, as i said, the key is low doses.
I hear you dude. And if you know your body, your drugs and your limits very well you can play there. However, on an open forum such as this where many people do not have the experience I must make the point I made. It's a responsibility I feel as a vendor. Every issue with GHB that has ever happened has been when there has been bad combining with other depressants. On its own there have been no serious issues at all.
BG
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Just found another great article on GHB I've not read before: http://fr0gman.wordpress.com/discover-the-regenerative-effects-of-ghb-the-elixir-of-life/
Highly recommended....
BG
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wow after reading all of this i am deff going to place an order with you to stack w/mdma
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wow after reading all of this i am deff going to place an order with you to stack w/mdma
Speedracer, I can tell you from experience BG knows his/her shit. My wife and I had some Super Trips MDMA :o on New Years Eve and we decided to have some of the meticulously crafted GHB 8) Blue supplies and my wife has not stopped talking about how amazing it was, and how intense the orgasms ;) were. I certainly feel the same way as the night was amazing and the tactile feelings where doubled to say the least. As soon as you feel the lull in your roll take like 2.5g's of GHB and you will be golden.
I weigh 200lbs and 2.5g's was perfect, my wife weighs 125 and she took 2g's and loved absolutely loved it! We did about another g each every 1 1/2 to 2 hours and the night was magic!! (adjust by body weight accordingly)
God Speed Speedracer!!!
RainbowSlipandSlide
"Sex while on MDMA and GHB is like sticking your dick in a RAINBOW!"
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Thanks for the info, Blue! I really can appreciate all the links too. +1
You're very welcome :)
I will shortly be adding a very detailed "Art of Dosing" tutorial to this thread. Feels needed...
Lord knows I am looking forward to reading this "Art of Dosing" Tutorial!
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Ask me whatever you like. I have been using GBL and GHB since year 2003 including last 3 years 24/7...
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Thanks for the info, Blue! I really can appreciate all the links too. +1
You're very welcome :)
I will shortly be adding a very detailed "Art of Dosing" tutorial to this thread. Feels needed...
Lord knows I am looking forward to reading this "Art of Dosing" Tutorial!
Waiting on my first package -been 18 days. I hope the tutorial and package both arrive on same day 8)
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Thanks for the info, Blue! I really can appreciate all the links too. +1
You're very welcome :)
I will shortly be adding a very detailed "Art of Dosing" tutorial to this thread. Feels needed...
Lord knows I am looking forward to reading this "Art of Dosing" Tutorial!
Coming soon! Promise :)
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Ask me whatever you like. I have been using GBL and GHB since year 2003 including last 3 years 24/7...
Thanks for offering to provide input :) The more education that can be provided about this precious substance the better!
I hope you don't use GBL anymore? It's definitely not the way to go if you care about protecting the health of liver.
GHB is good. GBL is not.
BG
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Thanks for the info, Blue! I really can appreciate all the links too. +1
You're very welcome :)
I will shortly be adding a very detailed "Art of Dosing" tutorial to this thread. Feels needed...
Lord knows I am looking forward to reading this "Art of Dosing" Tutorial!
Waiting on my first package -been 18 days. I hope the tutorial and package both arrive on same day 8)
Thanks for being patient amigo. It should arrive in the next week as the holiday mail backlog clears...
BG
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Posting to stay subbed, can't wait to place my first order :)
likewise!
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Still waiting on that 10G pack, patiently :)
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Any feedback on postage, stealth and quality from anyone who has purchased and received theirs so far?
Also just about the storage of the powder, is a generic airtight food container sufficient?
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Still waiting on that 10G pack, patiently :)
Thanks for being so patient amigo!
If nothing in the next week I'll re-ship :)
BG
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Any feedback on postage, stealth and quality from anyone who has purchased and received theirs so far?
Also just about the storage of the powder, is a generic airtight food container sufficient?
Sorry no-one has responded to your request for feedback yet... Anyone??
They're probably all at home relaxing on the couch - naked, high and erotically engaged ;)
If no-one responds you can read our feedback here silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/index.php/silkroad/user/6de88ee4ce (bottom of the page...).
Regarding storage, a generic airtight food container is fine - glass or plastic. Keep it at room temperature, not in the refrigerator.
BG
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Any feedback on postage, stealth and quality from anyone who has purchased and received theirs so far?
Also just about the storage of the powder, is a generic airtight food container sufficient?
postage was fine. took a while because of the xmas holidays but Bg was exellent in his communication and will be doing business again.
the stealth was excellent and if the package had of been checked it would have been no problems when the person would have seen the powder. i got 50grams so i was worried as fuck about being caught but it was fine. the package the powder is so fine i didnt instantly get rid of it.. i kept it as a memento hahhaha i will ditch it before my next order though.. i liked the package the powder was in
the quality is excellent.. i have no other experience with ghb to compare it too but it does work.. for me its like being drunk and being really euphoric. i don't get horny on it but at the moment i think that's due to a medical condition of mine which is being checked out. if you lay down you will probably go to sleep for a while on it and wake up refreshed.
its like a great alcohol replacement.. but you just dont drink or take benzos with it, and be careful with your dosage
i stick mine in an airtight container with a whole heap of moisture absorbing silica packs, then store it in a small wooden chest.. and then store it further in cooler locations to keep out the hot weather/humidity over here
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As promised - sorry for the delay...
GHB: ART OF DOSING TUTORIAL
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In order to fully enjoy the depth and subtlety of the euphoria that GHB can facilitate, careful attention needs to be give to understanding it’s dosing dynamics.
Probably more than any other drug, how it is used (dosage size and spacing), has a radical effect on the experience.
Those who have taken the time to understand how to dose GHB, recognize it as one of the most glorious drug-induced experiences on the planet.
So to begin:
Firstly, this thread is dealing with Na-GHB (the sodium salt) and all values given are for this. K-GHB (the potassium salt) is approximately 13% weaker, gram for gram, than Na-GHB, so 1g of Na-GHB is the equivalent of 1.13g K-GHB, i.e. you need a bit more K-GHB to get the same buzz.
Secondly, I am only addressing GHB powder here. GHB liquid varies (in terms of the GHB dilution ratio) to such a degree that I would not even attempt to address its dosing dynamics here. Also the quality of commonly available liquid GHB's are generally not up to the same standard of powder GHB's, so I do not, as a general rule, recommend them.
With that clear we can proceed :)
Strangely, even accounting for body weight, ladies seem to require a little less GHB than gents in order to get the same effect. I have no idea why this is so, but experience seems to indicate such. How much exactly is hard to say and probably varies from person to person, put work on about 15% - 25% difference, i.e. if you weigh the same (let’s hope not!) and you (as a man) take two grams then she’s going to want 1.5g – 1.7g to be in the same zone.
And it is good to account for body weight too. Someone weighing twice as much as someone else will generally require twice as much GHB (maybe a little less) for the same experience.
Knowing these basics, they key to the whole thing is calibration, especially if you have more than one person and you’d all like to feel kinda the same. So if you each start with a gram, and one person gets it quicker and stronger then you know to decrease their dose slightly on the next dose.
In general GHB is more pleasurable to build up slowly (in the same way one would use alcohol), rather than taking a large single dose and getting in there properly, as one would want to do with MDMA.
That being said, it can also be pleasurable to take a larger single dose (2g – 2.5g depending on your weight) especially after MDMA if one wants to kick the MDMA euphoria back in properly. As always, experiment cautiously and progressively and build up experience with the drug.
Our packages are supplied with a 2ml measuring spoon. When level and lightly shaken (i.e. the GHB not compressed in it), it measures out about 0.75g – 1.25g. I do suggest though, if you’re wanting to be scientific, to calibrate the spoon with your own scale.
In my experience this is a good standard “per dose” benchmark and one that I personally use.
GHB is active from about 0.5g upwards, 3g is around the maximum for a single dose (this will be pretty strong), but one could easily go though 5g - 6g in an evening of merriment and re-dosing. In terms of toxicity I have personally tested 10g in a single dose to ascertain safety, and while it knocked me out cold in about 15 minutes and I woke up vomiting, I was otherwise fine. This is mentioned for reference only and I do not recommend going anywhere near this.
The protocol I have found to be most pleasurable is to dose small amounts progressively. I am a 160 pound male and I normally take about 1g every 30 minutes until I am in the zone and then I level off (by perhaps taking about half that to maintain). That gram is normally taken in a wine glass of water (preferably spring or filtered). Sometimes I’ll throw it back, sometimes I’ll savour it over a few minutes. If I’m already strongly on, then I might sip that glass slowly over 20-25 minutes just to maintain the level that I’m at.
So here at some options to play with in terms of a dosing protocol:
1g every 25 – 35 minutes up to 3g – 4g total.
1.5g every 40 - 50 minutes up to 3g – 4g total.
2g every 55 – 65 minutes up to 3g – 4g in total
These would be appropriate to my body weight (and my personal taste), and are given as examples only, but could be used as a basis for your own experimentation. Personally I like to get pretty wasted when I take GHB ☺ just because it’s so nice, and that would be about 3g – 4g for me. If was in a lighter kind of social situation, or dancing, or just hanging out then I might take a little less (up to 2g max) in order to be more functional. As always I would be calibrating and adjusting the dose as I proceed.
It’s really something that can be dosed much like how we drink alcohol. Have a little, see how you feel, and have some more later if you need some more…
In terms of using it with other drugs the following guidelines apply:
Never take with other depressants, as has already been stated repeatedly. However, if you choose to break the rules (I never do) then know that there will be profound synergy and potentiation, so dosages should be radically lowererd.
GHB combines very well with all stimulants – coke, speed, meth, caffeine etc. You will be able to push the doses a bit higher and still function. Normally if you take too much GHB you will simply start passing out and falling asleep. Stimulants allow you to go closer to the edge and still maintain conscious – which can be very pleasurable. Once again take time to get to know GHB before you start pushing that edge.
When combining with psychedelics, empathogens and entactogens (all of which cocktail beautifully) dosages are generally neutral (not higher or lower). In general GHB works better after the other drugs rather than before, for example it is excellent post MDMA, but seems to interfere (for me anyway) with the MDMA rush if taken before hand. In my experience I also tend to favour a slightly larger dose (1.5g - 2.5g) when taken after MDMA as it seems to re-invigorate the rush better this way.
Some people enjoy GHB with Cannabis a lot, for it’s not my personal favourite, as I find the GHB euphoria to be lessened somewhat for me - and I also generally prefer my Ganja unblended with anything else.
GHB can essentially be re-dosed for many hours (if that is your choice) without tolerance building. Dosage just needs to be a maintained at a level that does not go too high. For example 1g sipped over the course of an hour can be repeated all night for a continual mellow buzz.
If GHB is used for inducing sleep then it is recommended to take less than what is required, as if too much is taken (3g+) it will induce deep sleep quite quickly but then there may be a tendency to awaken about 4 hours later when the GHB wears off. Better to take a lower dose (1g – 2g) to cause some relaxation which can assist you to fall asleep rather than force it. Then the tendency to awaken later will be lessened.
As a clinical anti-depressant I suggest 0.5g – 1g in a single dose, two to three times per day. Ideally it should be just below (or just on) threshold.
Altogether, if some time is taken getting to know GHB , and conservative experimentation is engaged, then you will come to understand its overall dynamics as a drug. And with understanding comes the ability to use it intelligently. When used in this way it is one of the most useful chemical tools on the planet –broad in scope and able to reach deep into states of openness, catharsis and ecstasy– while also being one of the most benign drugs in existence
Enjoy! I have been taking carefully measured doses as I write this to ensure that I’m communicating accurately - currently on 3.5g and having a whale of a time! ☺
I wish you all extreme pleasure with this wonderful substance, and Great Golden Copulations!
BlueGiraffe
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"As a clinical anti-depressant I suggest 0.5g – 1g in a single dose, two to three times per day. Ideally it should be just below (or just on) threshold."
I would be very careful with making suggestions like these...
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"As a clinical anti-depressant I suggest 0.5g – 1g in a single dose, two to three times per day. Ideally it should be just below (or just on) threshold."
I would be very careful with making suggestions like these...
Why?
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Thanks for the info BlueGiraffe! Excited for my order to arrive!
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Because I assume you are not a psychiatrist. Not that if you would be, you could say anything you want.
There is a downfall to using ghb as an antidepressant. For example: doing what you recommend will lead to addiction pretty soon.
And what then? Or is that not your problem since you're only a ghb supplier?
Not to attack or offend you or anything... I just think these things can not just be copy/pasted as recommendations for clinical depressions.
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Nice that tut, but most people use ml and do not weight in mg or gram.
And vomiting is very, very dangerous.
When you are out and the vomit comes in your lungs, it can have nasty consequences.
No way you can wake up after 2 grams of ghb.
Something has gone wrong.
Good ghb does not make you vomit.
When to much caustic soda is used, the body wants to reject the ghb.
No more then 96 gram caustic soda for 100 ml of gbl.
I do throw all the gbl in at once. I want to see the caustic soda react and make the ghb boil.
There should be no caustic soda left to react and burn in your stomach.
Enjoy!
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Because I assume you are not a psychiatrist. Not that if you would be, you could say anything you want.
There is a downfall to using ghb as an antidepressant. For example: doing what you recommend will lead to addiction pretty soon.
And what then? Or is that not your problem since you're only a ghb supplier?
Not to attack or offend you or anything... I just think these things can not just be copy/pasted as recommendations for clinical depressions.
Not to attack you or anything since I get where you are coming from but you realize that the ENTIRE medical industry is nothing more than organized drug barons out to get you hooked on any pill regardless of whether it will make you want to kill yourself or piss blood right? I mean pot is like a thousand times better than a thousand over the counter medications but it's illegal because no one can make a fucking penny off a weed you can legally grow in your back yard.
There once was a time before medicine became a profit center where people took the advice of one another, eating herbs and trying remedies past on from friends and family. The boards are full of people using drugs for everything from recreation to rehabilitation and since no doctor is out there to tell us how to use them properly the best we can do is try to pick up what has and hasn't worked for others.
Personally, I'd rather take a little GBH over Zoloft if I was depressed since one will make me stop fucking my wife and probably want to kill myself while the other will based on all I know make me want to do the opposite.
/steps off soap box
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but you realize that the ENTIRE medical industry is nothing more than organized drug barons out to get you hooked on any pill regardless of whether it will make you want to kill yourself or piss blood right?..
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Personally, I'd rather take a little GBH over Zoloft if I was depressed since one will make me stop fucking my wife and probably want to kill myself while the other will based on all I know make me want to do the opposite.
I came off of Effexor and had such bad withdrawls my lips and fingertips went numb and I ended up passing out standing in line at a grocery store. Woke up on a saline solution with a concussion in the hospital. Wahooo drug companies! :P
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I respect what Virmo is getting at but since so many of the posts on Drug safety (recently) have related to "what drug will make me feel better" it's just a fact that many people on here use drugs to self-medicate (which isn't much different from the "average" guy using drugs to feel good--we just brand people who start off at a lower baseline of happiness as self-medicating instead) I think it's good of BG to at least address the question since people will likely try to do it anyways.
I'm still new to GHB but it seems like it might be a better drug to abuse than benzos or something. Mostly I just wanted to post to keep an eye on this thread and thank BG for all the info. I'm relatively new to GHB and am still trying to figure out what's good info and what's grossly inaccurate (a challenge when researching any drug in my experience).
I may be looking to make a purchase from you in the near future (pricier than some but it sounds like the price would be worth it and you definitely sound like you know your stuff, man!).
Cheers,
Snoopish
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I respect what Virmo is getting at but since so many of the posts on Drug safety (recently) have related to "what drug will make me feel better" it's just a fact that many people on here use drugs to self-medicate (which isn't much different from the "average" guy using drugs to feel good--we just brand people who start off at a lower baseline of happiness as self-medicating instead) I think it's good of BG to at least address the question since people will likely try to do it anyways.
I'm still new to GHB but it seems like it might be a better drug to abuse than benzos or something. Mostly I just wanted to post to keep an eye on this thread and thank BG for all the info. I'm relatively new to GHB and am still trying to figure out what's good info and what's grossly inaccurate (a challenge when researching any drug in my experience).
I may be looking to make a purchase from you in the near future (pricier than some but it sounds like the price would be worth it and you definitely sound like you know your stuff, man!).
Cheers,
Snoopish
I agree with the first part. Disagree with the second part.
GHB withdrawal is even more severe than benzo withdrawal. Both are really REALLY awful.
To come off effexor either benzo's or ghb can be used. Probably even barbiratures. (wasn'ghb one in the past?).
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I respect what Virmo is getting at but since so many of the posts on Drug safety (recently) have related to "what drug will make me feel better" it's just a fact that many people on here use drugs to self-medicate (which isn't much different from the "average" guy using drugs to feel good--we just brand people who start off at a lower baseline of happiness as self-medicating instead) I think it's good of BG to at least address the question since people will likely try to do it anyways.
I'm still new to GHB but it seems like it might be a better drug to abuse than benzos or something. Mostly I just wanted to post to keep an eye on this thread and thank BG for all the info. I'm relatively new to GHB and am still trying to figure out what's good info and what's grossly inaccurate (a challenge when researching any drug in my experience).
I may be looking to make a purchase from you in the near future (pricier than some but it sounds like the price would be worth it and you definitely sound like you know your stuff, man!).
Cheers,
Snoopish
I agree with the first part. Disagree with the second part.
GHB withdrawal is even more severe than benzo withdrawal. Both are really REALLY awful.
To come off effexor either benzo's or ghb can be used. Probably even barbiratures. (wasn'ghb one in the past?).
The trick with most of the drugs we take as mood elevators is that UNLIKE SSRI's they are not actually attempting to rewire our brains demanding constant dosage to simply sustain a new sense of normalcy once we commit to what in all likelihood will become a lifelong regime. Stuff like MDMA, LSD, Shrooms, etc. can actually CURE people of the issues for which they would otherwise become enslaved to these doctor recommended treatments... that in itself is the main reason I take offense to the possibility that the medical industry somehow has my best interests in mind when getting me hooked on the very substances that end up causing people to kill themselves and others instead of just fixing the problem.
I've never taken GHB but my research into it seems to indicate that it has the ability to serve as a great mood elevator without too many bad side effects when taken at the right dose. Personally I probably wouldn't want to take it every day for the rest of my life but I can imagine something like it easily helping people that have the winter blues (aka S.A.D.) more than a a prescription of Prozac or Zoloft since a half hour after taking it you'll often feel a little better.
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Because I assume you are not a psychiatrist. Not that if you would be, you could say anything you want.
There is a downfall to using ghb as an antidepressant. For example: doing what you recommend will lead to addiction pretty soon.
And what then? Or is that not your problem since you're only a ghb supplier?
Not to attack or offend you or anything... I just think these things can not just be copy/pasted as recommendations for clinical depressions.
I disagree :)
I'm not a psychiatrist but I know my way around neurology, pharmacology and emotional/psychological healing pretty well. And GHB is actually a very good and very safe clinical anti-depressant. And will not "lead to addiction" as you suggest. Chronic, long-term, daily, high-dose use would not be good for sure (same goes for any drug), but when used clinically the dose is normally low - just sub-threshold, and is generally for a finite period of time (from a few weeks to a few months) rather than "forever". And that's because it's actually supporting change and doing the job it is intended to do.
I'm not saying any of this this because I sell GHB. I sell GHB because I understand its profound applicability to healing psychological issues (as well as being great to party on!). You may want to read this http://www.amazon.com/GHB-The-Natural-Mood-Enhancer/dp/0962741868 and the references in it - which will support my premise.
To say it straight too: GHB as a clinical anti-depressant is a fuck side safer then just about anything else currently used clinically for that purpose - particularly the SSRI's which have become the universal "panacea" now. And the primary reason for this is that all of these drugs SUPPRESS psychological processing and emotional expression, so the issues are never dealt with. GHB however, when used clinically, allows a continual low-level catharsis, so emotional processing (and subsequent healing) ACTUALLY TAKES PLACE!
I consider my suggestions as highly responsible in this regard, and stand by my POV that GHB is a safer clinical anti-depressant than almost anything else around.
BG
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Nice that tut, but most people use ml and do not weight in mg or gram.
And vomiting is very, very dangerous.
When you are out and the vomit comes in your lungs, it can have nasty consequences.
No way you can wake up after 2 grams of ghb.
Something has gone wrong.
Good ghb does not make you vomit.
When to much caustic soda is used, the body wants to reject the ghb.
No more then 96 gram caustic soda for 100 ml of gbl.
I do throw all the gbl in at once. I want to see the caustic soda react and make the ghb boil.
There should be no caustic soda left to react and burn in your stomach.
Enjoy!
Thanks.
It has to be spoken in weight and not volume because no liquid GHB is at the same concentration as another. Everyone dilutes differently. (And I do not recommend liquid GHB's for other reasons I have mentioned.)
I think you have misread a few things in my post...
I said I took 10g not 2g - and yes that did make me vomit because it's an insanely too high dose. Had nothing to do with the quality of the GHB - which was primo.
Not sure what your comment "No way you can wake up after 2 grams of ghb" means?? 2 grams is a very common and manageable dose.
Appreciate your comments re synthesis, but our GHB is made in a professional lab, so not so relevant here.
Thanks for your input :)
BG
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Because I assume you are not a psychiatrist. Not that if you would be, you could say anything you want.
There is a downfall to using ghb as an antidepressant. For example: doing what you recommend will lead to addiction pretty soon.
And what then? Or is that not your problem since you're only a ghb supplier?
Not to attack or offend you or anything... I just think these things can not just be copy/pasted as recommendations for clinical depressions.
Not to attack you or anything since I get where you are coming from but you realize that the ENTIRE medical industry is nothing more than organized drug barons out to get you hooked on any pill regardless of whether it will make you want to kill yourself or piss blood right? I mean pot is like a thousand times better than a thousand over the counter medications but it's illegal because no one can make a fucking penny off a weed you can legally grow in your back yard.
There once was a time before medicine became a profit center where people took the advice of one another, eating herbs and trying remedies past on from friends and family. The boards are full of people using drugs for everything from recreation to rehabilitation and since no doctor is out there to tell us how to use them properly the best we can do is try to pick up what has and hasn't worked for others.
Personally, I'd rather take a little GBH over Zoloft if I was depressed since one will make me stop fucking my wife and probably want to kill myself while the other will based on all I know make me want to do the opposite.
/steps off soap box
:)
Well said. And IMHO it is precisely because GHB is not patentable, and because it had the potential to severely cut into Eli Lilly's markets, that it was banned in the first place.
And GHB, not GBH please ;)
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I respect what Virmo is getting at but since so many of the posts on Drug safety (recently) have related to "what drug will make me feel better" it's just a fact that many people on here use drugs to self-medicate (which isn't much different from the "average" guy using drugs to feel good--we just brand people who start off at a lower baseline of happiness as self-medicating instead) I think it's good of BG to at least address the question since people will likely try to do it anyways.
I'm still new to GHB but it seems like it might be a better drug to abuse than benzos or something. Mostly I just wanted to post to keep an eye on this thread and thank BG for all the info. I'm relatively new to GHB and am still trying to figure out what's good info and what's grossly inaccurate (a challenge when researching any drug in my experience).
I may be looking to make a purchase from you in the near future (pricier than some but it sounds like the price would be worth it and you definitely sound like you know your stuff, man!).
Cheers,
Snoopish
Good comments Snoopish...
Personally I do consider GHB more essentially benign than benzos, but one should still use it with respect. Heavy abuse will definitely lead to problems in time (as would anything of course).
I highly recommend the book I just mentioned, GHB: The Natural Mood Enhancer by Dean and Morgenthaler. It's well researched and well presented - and will help to cut through a lot of the fluff and hype floating around. The links near the top of this thread are solid too.
I appreciate your positive feedback (blush), and certainly chat with me if you want to make a purchase. IMHO it's very important to take high quality GHB if you're going to take it at all. There's so much half-rate GHB floating around, and many people base their impressions on that - of course with less than useful results. We're very proud of our GHB and it's been many years in the refining - you can trust the quality for sure.
Any questions, feel free to ask, and I'll do my best to respond comprehensively.
BG
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GHB was a godsend for me, I couldn't drink alcohol because of stomach problems (not to mention being ill enough as it is, let alone the hangover)
I'd only use it once every 5 days or so, twice a month for a few months during the summer.
I stopped using it for a while when I stupidly mixed it with alcohol and woke up hours later laying ontop of a load of concrete dumbells, (ow) with my music blaring.
I thought about something recently, and I think I might be onto something,
If I recall correctly, the excitation comes from its action on the GHB receptor, but if you take too much, its increasing action at the GABA(B) receptors cause sedation-
this is from erowid:
"At low doses, GHB is binding almost exclusively to the GHB receptor, a receptor which, through pathways not yet understood, stimulates the release of glutamate (the major excitatory neurotransmitter) in the cortex. As the dose of GHB increases, more and more GHB is binding to, and activating, the inhibitory GABA-B receptor. This leads to the sedative/hypnotic effect of GHB. The selective GHB receptor agonist t-HCA (fig 1) does not cause sedation of any kind, and is presumably a stimulant as it leads to seizures."
I wonder if this t-HCA in the right dosage would be the perfect GHB replacement? but more to the point, some kind of GABA-B Antagonist (blocker) could counter the sedative effects of GHB, allowing higher doses. sort of like vodka and redbull, but not as ruthless.
-Thujone from wormwood springs to mind as a possible GABA ant~
Maybe you could make an alcohol-free spiked-Absinthe type drink and call it G-HaBsinthe or something.
I'll have to try it out sometime..
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I respect what Virmo is getting at but since so many of the posts on Drug safety (recently) have related to "what drug will make me feel better" it's just a fact that many people on here use drugs to self-medicate (which isn't much different from the "average" guy using drugs to feel good--we just brand people who start off at a lower baseline of happiness as self-medicating instead) I think it's good of BG to at least address the question since people will likely try to do it anyways.
I'm still new to GHB but it seems like it might be a better drug to abuse than benzos or something. Mostly I just wanted to post to keep an eye on this thread and thank BG for all the info. I'm relatively new to GHB and am still trying to figure out what's good info and what's grossly inaccurate (a challenge when researching any drug in my experience).
I may be looking to make a purchase from you in the near future (pricier than some but it sounds like the price would be worth it and you definitely sound like you know your stuff, man!).
Cheers,
Snoopish
I agree with the first part. Disagree with the second part.
GHB withdrawal is even more severe than benzo withdrawal. Both are really REALLY awful.
To come off effexor either benzo's or ghb can be used. Probably even barbiratures. (wasn'ghb one in the past?).
Correct, GHB withdrawal can be intense, and there can be marked similarities with both benzo and alcohol withdrawal - see comprehensive and comparative information here: http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/ghb/ghb_addiction2.pdf
It's important to note though that one has to work pretty hard to get to a place of necessitating going through this - normally some months of near continuous high-dose GHB use - which is clearly asking for trouble.
BG
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GHB was a godsend for me, I couldn't drink alcohol because of stomach problems (not to mention being ill enough as it is, let alone the hangover)
I'd only use it once every 5 days or so, twice a month for a few months during the summer.
I stopped using it for a while when I stupidly mixed it with alcohol and woke up hours later laying ontop of a load of concrete dumbells, (ow) with my music blaring.
I thought about something recently, and I think I might be onto something,
If I recall correctly, the excitation comes from its action on the GHB receptor, but if you take too much, its increasing action at the GABA(B) receptors cause sedation-
this is from erowid:
"At low doses, GHB is binding almost exclusively to the GHB receptor, a receptor which, through pathways not yet understood, stimulates the release of glutamate (the major excitatory neurotransmitter) in the cortex. As the dose of GHB increases, more and more GHB is binding to, and activating, the inhibitory GABA-B receptor. This leads to the sedative/hypnotic effect of GHB. The selective GHB receptor agonist t-HCA (fig 1) does not cause sedation of any kind, and is presumably a stimulant as it leads to seizures."
I wonder if this t-HCA in the right dosage would be the perfect GHB replacement? but more to the point, some kind of GABA-B Antagonist (blocker) could counter the sedative effects of GHB, allowing higher doses. sort of like vodka and redbull, but not as ruthless.
-Thujone from wormwood springs to mind as a possible GABA ant~
Maybe you could make an alcohol-free spiked-Absinthe type drink and call it G-HaBsinthe or something.
I'll have to try it out sometime..
Interesting ideas!! Welcome to the thread :)
Please keep me posted with your experiments...
BG
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So does one tend to strictly use GHB in conjunction with mdma, or can one use it as recreational by itself?
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thanks much to all for all the info in this thread i am looking forward to trying GHB for the first time once it comes in.
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Thanks for the guide. Was hoping my order would arrive with it.
I am at 25 days to usa, anyone else order around this time and get the package?
I have 2 days left till resolution.
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So does one tend to strictly use GHB in conjunction with mdma, or can one use it as recreational by itself?
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Extremely nice on it's own too. I mainly use it thus as hardly ever do MDMA any more...
BG
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Because I assume you are not a psychiatrist. Not that if you would be, you could say anything you want.
There is a downfall to using ghb as an antidepressant. For example: doing what you recommend will lead to addiction pretty soon.
And what then? Or is that not your problem since you're only a ghb supplier?
Not to attack or offend you or anything... I just think these things can not just be copy/pasted as recommendations for clinical depressions.
I disagree :)
I'm not a psychiatrist but I know my way around neurology, pharmacology and emotional/psychological healing pretty well. And GHB is actually a very good and very safe clinical anti-depressant. And will not "lead to addiction" as you suggest. Chronic, long-term, daily, high-dose use would not be good for sure (same goes for any drug), but when used clinically the dose is normally low - just sub-threshold, and is generally for a finite period of time (from a few weeks to a few months) rather than "forever". And that's because it's actually supporting change and doing the job it is intended to do.
I'm not saying any of this this because I sell GHB. I sell GHB because I understand its profound applicability to healing psychological issues (as well as being great to party on!). You may want to read this http://www.amazon.com/GHB-The-Natural-Mood-Enhancer/dp/0962741868 and the references in it - which will support my premise.
To say it straight too: GHB as a clinical anti-depressant is a fuck side safer then just about anything else currently used clinically for that purpose - particularly the SSRI's which have become the universal "panacea" now. And the primary reason for this is that all of these drugs SUPPRESS psychological processing and emotional expression, so the issues are never dealt with. GHB however, when used clinically, allows a continual low-level catharsis, so emotional processing (and subsequent healing) ACTUALLY TAKES PLACE!
I consider my suggestions as highly responsible in this regard, and stand by my POV that GHB is a safer clinical anti-depressant than almost anything else around.
BG
If you do, then you will understand that I do not know what you mean by: a "few" weeks or a "few" months, or "high doses". Same goes for long term.
I know that it can be used as an antidepressant, so this no attack at all. But you should choose your words wisely and accurately.
"To say it straight too: GHB as a clinical anti-depressant is a fuck side safer then just about anything else currently used clinically for that purpose - particularly the SSRI's which have become the universal "panacea" now. And the primary reason for this is that all of these drugs SUPPRESS psychological processing and emotional expression, so the issues are never dealt with. GHB however, when used clinically, allows a continual low-level catharsis, so emotional processing (and subsequent healing) ACTUALLY TAKES PLACE!"
Proof = where?
I agree with you though. I even have a bunch of pharm maffia books. I've claimed likewise things and got flamed. You don't. I don't want you to. But if you'd sharpen your words you'd be more accurate. So this is kind of a suggestion in disguise.
GHB is only safer (IF it is, because there is too much unknown to draw conclusions about SSRI's, SRNI's etc.), if it's produced correctly.
I wonder what high dose chronic and long term mean with regard to ghb. And what the differences would be with gbl.
GHB withdrawal seems like an ultra bitch equal to or worse than benzo. And benzo is already worse than alcohol IMO.
Will read your link asap.
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Was gonna post that hours and hours earlier.
So, proof is in book?
Since this is illegal place anyway. Where is a downloadable copy? :p
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Thanks for the guide. Was hoping my order would arrive with it.
I am at 25 days to usa, anyone else order around this time and get the package?
I have 2 days left till resolution.
You're welcome JD :)
Sorry about the delay. Your order shipped December 19, and about half the packages in that batch have been delivered, so I expect you should see it in the next week or so. I've extended by another 10 days to cover it.
Please let me know as soon as it arrives.
BG
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Because I assume you are not a psychiatrist. Not that if you would be, you could say anything you want.
There is a downfall to using ghb as an antidepressant. For example: doing what you recommend will lead to addiction pretty soon.
And what then? Or is that not your problem since you're only a ghb supplier?
Not to attack or offend you or anything... I just think these things can not just be copy/pasted as recommendations for clinical depressions.
I disagree :)
I'm not a psychiatrist but I know my way around neurology, pharmacology and emotional/psychological healing pretty well. And GHB is actually a very good and very safe clinical anti-depressant. And will not "lead to addiction" as you suggest. Chronic, long-term, daily, high-dose use would not be good for sure (same goes for any drug), but when used clinically the dose is normally low - just sub-threshold, and is generally for a finite period of time (from a few weeks to a few months) rather than "forever". And that's because it's actually supporting change and doing the job it is intended to do.
I'm not saying any of this this because I sell GHB. I sell GHB because I understand its profound applicability to healing psychological issues (as well as being great to party on!). You may want to read this http://www.amazon.com/GHB-The-Natural-Mood-Enhancer/dp/0962741868 and the references in it - which will support my premise.
To say it straight too: GHB as a clinical anti-depressant is a fuck side safer then just about anything else currently used clinically for that purpose - particularly the SSRI's which have become the universal "panacea" now. And the primary reason for this is that all of these drugs SUPPRESS psychological processing and emotional expression, so the issues are never dealt with. GHB however, when used clinically, allows a continual low-level catharsis, so emotional processing (and subsequent healing) ACTUALLY TAKES PLACE!
I consider my suggestions as highly responsible in this regard, and stand by my POV that GHB is a safer clinical anti-depressant than almost anything else around.
BG
If you do, then you will understand that I do not know what you mean by: a "few" weeks or a "few" months, or "high doses". Same goes for long term.
I know that it can be used as an antidepressant, so this no attack at all. But you should choose your words wisely and accurately.
"To say it straight too: GHB as a clinical anti-depressant is a fuck side safer then just about anything else currently used clinically for that purpose - particularly the SSRI's which have become the universal "panacea" now. And the primary reason for this is that all of these drugs SUPPRESS psychological processing and emotional expression, so the issues are never dealt with. GHB however, when used clinically, allows a continual low-level catharsis, so emotional processing (and subsequent healing) ACTUALLY TAKES PLACE!"
Proof = where?
I agree with you though. I even have a bunch of pharm maffia books. I've claimed likewise things and got flamed. You don't. I don't want you to. But if you'd sharpen your words you'd be more accurate. So this is kind of a suggestion in disguise.
GHB is only safer (IF it is, because there is too much unknown to draw conclusions about SSRI's, SRNI's etc.), if it's produced correctly.
I wonder what high dose chronic and long term mean with regard to ghb. And what the differences would be with gbl.
GHB withdrawal seems like an ultra bitch equal to or worse than benzo. And benzo is already worse than alcohol IMO.
Will read your link asap.
To respond point by point:
"Few" in the context of using it as a clinical anti-depressant would mean anywhere from 3 weeks to 6 months (outer limits) - but of course would clearly depend on the situation and the context of the intervention. "High doses" would mean above 1g - 1.5g in this context. "Long term" would mean longer than 6-9 months. But it's always context dependent.
There is no "proof" of anything ever. But my research and experience both indicate this efficacy. So it is always IMHO, but I feel clear saying it based on my understanding of healing psychosis (in the broadest meaning of that word) and emotional contraction and wounding. There is a lot of research you can access which also supports this POV.
When I refer to GHB I am always assuming that it is actually proper (and properly produced) GHB. There would be no point otherwise. And we supply it in addition, so I tend not to belabor that point any further as it's been said.
Regarding SSRI's I think the evidence is in, and has been for many years. They are extremely problematic, and do not cause healing - but merely suppress symptoms (which is the usual functional activity of Western Medicine).
"Chronic" and "high-dose" in this context would mean dosing multiple grams (2g - 3g) every couple of hours and doing it day after day for extended periods of time. If you want to ask me what "extended" means, then it could be anything from a week to a year.
I do not consider GBL a usable drug ever, but a somewhat toxic reagent used in the manufacture of GHB. I do not feel it has a place in the discussion of benign clinical pharmacology. I know many people use it as it bio-converts to GHB, but I consider this practice unintelligent. My personal point of view - I would never ingest it.
If you read that paper it is evident that there are many similarities between GHB, benzo and alcohol withdrawal - with some more severe than others on different vectors.
BG
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Was gonna post that hours and hours earlier.
So, proof is in book?
Since this is illegal place anyway. Where is a downloadable copy? :p
Don't know but will let you know if I find one.
BG
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BG has been very communicative with me about my pack, and we reached an outstanding and very generous resolution for my small-ish order that has gone missing. Thanks BG!! THIS is customer service :)
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Just ordered some GHB. Look forward to trying it after some MDMA! :)
As I ordered it with 10 Moxy caps, I presume these will be sent in the same package?
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Because I assume you are not a psychiatrist. Not that if you would be, you could say anything you want.
There is a downfall to using ghb as an antidepressant. For example: doing what you recommend will lead to addiction pretty soon.
And what then? Or is that not your problem since you're only a ghb supplier?
Not to attack or offend you or anything... I just think these things can not just be copy/pasted as recommendations for clinical depressions.
I disagree :)
I'm not a psychiatrist but I know my way around neurology, pharmacology and emotional/psychological healing pretty well. And GHB is actually a very good and very safe clinical anti-depressant. And will not "lead to addiction" as you suggest. Chronic, long-term, daily, high-dose use would not be good for sure (same goes for any drug), but when used clinically the dose is normally low - just sub-threshold, and is generally for a finite period of time (from a few weeks to a few months) rather than "forever". And that's because it's actually supporting change and doing the job it is intended to do.
I'm not saying any of this this because I sell GHB. I sell GHB because I understand its profound applicability to healing psychological issues (as well as being great to party on!). You may want to read this http://www.amazon.com/GHB-The-Natural-Mood-Enhancer/dp/0962741868 and the references in it - which will support my premise.
To say it straight too: GHB as a clinical anti-depressant is a fuck side safer then just about anything else currently used clinically for that purpose - particularly the SSRI's which have become the universal "panacea" now. And the primary reason for this is that all of these drugs SUPPRESS psychological processing and emotional expression, so the issues are never dealt with. GHB however, when used clinically, allows a continual low-level catharsis, so emotional processing (and subsequent healing) ACTUALLY TAKES PLACE!
I consider my suggestions as highly responsible in this regard, and stand by my POV that GHB is a safer clinical anti-depressant than almost anything else around.
BG
If you do, then you will understand that I do not know what you mean by: a "few" weeks or a "few" months, or "high doses". Same goes for long term.
I know that it can be used as an antidepressant, so this no attack at all. But you should choose your words wisely and accurately.
"To say it straight too: GHB as a clinical anti-depressant is a fuck side safer then just about anything else currently used clinically for that purpose - particularly the SSRI's which have become the universal "panacea" now. And the primary reason for this is that all of these drugs SUPPRESS psychological processing and emotional expression, so the issues are never dealt with. GHB however, when used clinically, allows a continual low-level catharsis, so emotional processing (and subsequent healing) ACTUALLY TAKES PLACE!"
Proof = where?
I agree with you though. I even have a bunch of pharm maffia books. I've claimed likewise things and got flamed. You don't. I don't want you to. But if you'd sharpen your words you'd be more accurate. So this is kind of a suggestion in disguise.
GHB is only safer (IF it is, because there is too much unknown to draw conclusions about SSRI's, SRNI's etc.), if it's produced correctly.
I wonder what high dose chronic and long term mean with regard to ghb. And what the differences would be with gbl.
GHB withdrawal seems like an ultra bitch equal to or worse than benzo. And benzo is already worse than alcohol IMO.
Will read your link asap.
To respond point by point:
"Few" in the context of using it as a clinical anti-depressant would mean anywhere from 3 weeks to 6 months (outer limits) - but of course would clearly depend on the situation and the context of the intervention. "High doses" would mean above 1g - 1.5g in this context. "Long term" would mean longer than 6-9 months. But it's always context dependent.
There is no "proof" of anything ever. But my research and experience both indicate this efficacy. So it is always IMHO, but I feel clear saying it based on my understanding of healing psychosis (in the broadest meaning of that word) and emotional contraction and wounding. There is a lot of research you can access which also supports this POV.
When I refer to GHB I am always assuming that it is actually proper (and properly produced) GHB. There would be no point otherwise. And we supply it in addition, so I tend not to belabor that point any further as it's been said.
Regarding SSRI's I think the evidence is in, and has been for many years. They are extremely problematic, and do not cause healing - but merely suppress symptoms (which is the usual functional activity of Western Medicine).
"Chronic" and "high-dose" in this context would mean dosing multiple grams (2g - 3g) every couple of hours and doing it day after day for extended periods of time. If you want to ask me what "extended" means, then it could be anything from a week to a year.
I do not consider GBL a usable drug ever, but a somewhat toxic reagent used in the manufacture of GHB. I do not feel it has a place in the discussion of benign clinical pharmacology. I know many people use it as it bio-converts to GHB, but I consider this practice unintelligent. My personal point of view - I would never ingest it.
If you read that paper it is evident that there are many similarities between GHB, benzo and alcohol withdrawal - with some more severe than others on different vectors.
BG
GBL is a usable drug. The difference lies within the dopamine release.
I agree with you on the ssri part.
In my experience, ghb has not proven to be useful for a clinical depression.
And you are, all of a sudden, talking about psychosis, why?
You must know about xyrem(sp?), it is about the same as ghb. Not sure what the difference is. I think if you add water to it, it can be called ghb. Either way, the mechanism is the same. And it has been used/is used, for narcolepsy.
It is NOT for people with M.D.D.
I know there is literature on ghb and major depression disorder. But there were too many complications. Now it could be so that they are made up by the pharm mob, but that would be strange because for example Xyrem is a lot more expensive than ssri's.
Too bad I'm lazy. Otherwise I'd do some real research with articles and all. One book from amazon.com does not mean anything to me.
Doctor phill sells millions of books, while we all know he is completely full of shit.
Taking ghb to "cure" depression just does not make sense to me. It messes with your chemical stability. Just as drinking alcohol in threshold doses will not cure anything, or taking benzo's.
There are too many risks and side effects, And even threshold doses will make you physically dependent after taking it every day 3 times a day for longer than a few weeks.
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Just read through this whole thread - thanks for all the fantastic information, BG, and all the fascinating discussion along the way. I'll be making an order tonight and wanted to express thanks as well as subscribe to this topic to keep up with it. :)
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Because I assume you are not a psychiatrist. Not that if you would be, you could say anything you want.
There is a downfall to using ghb as an antidepressant. For example: doing what you recommend will lead to addiction pretty soon.
And what then? Or is that not your problem since you're only a ghb supplier?
Not to attack or offend you or anything... I just think these things can not just be copy/pasted as recommendations for clinical depressions.
I disagree :)
I'm not a psychiatrist but I know my way around neurology, pharmacology and emotional/psychological healing pretty well. And GHB is actually a very good and very safe clinical anti-depressant. And will not "lead to addiction" as you suggest. Chronic, long-term, daily, high-dose use would not be good for sure (same goes for any drug), but when used clinically the dose is normally low - just sub-threshold, and is generally for a finite period of time (from a few weeks to a few months) rather than "forever". And that's because it's actually supporting change and doing the job it is intended to do.
I'm not saying any of this this because I sell GHB. I sell GHB because I understand its profound applicability to healing psychological issues (as well as being great to party on!). You may want to read this http://www.amazon.com/GHB-The-Natural-Mood-Enhancer/dp/0962741868 and the references in it - which will support my premise.
To say it straight too: GHB as a clinical anti-depressant is a fuck side safer then just about anything else currently used clinically for that purpose - particularly the SSRI's which have become the universal "panacea" now. And the primary reason for this is that all of these drugs SUPPRESS psychological processing and emotional expression, so the issues are never dealt with. GHB however, when used clinically, allows a continual low-level catharsis, so emotional processing (and subsequent healing) ACTUALLY TAKES PLACE!
I consider my suggestions as highly responsible in this regard, and stand by my POV that GHB is a safer clinical anti-depressant than almost anything else around.
BG
If you do, then you will understand that I do not know what you mean by: a "few" weeks or a "few" months, or "high doses". Same goes for long term.
I know that it can be used as an antidepressant, so this no attack at all. But you should choose your words wisely and accurately.
"To say it straight too: GHB as a clinical anti-depressant is a fuck side safer then just about anything else currently used clinically for that purpose - particularly the SSRI's which have become the universal "panacea" now. And the primary reason for this is that all of these drugs SUPPRESS psychological processing and emotional expression, so the issues are never dealt with. GHB however, when used clinically, allows a continual low-level catharsis, so emotional processing (and subsequent healing) ACTUALLY TAKES PLACE!"
Proof = where?
I agree with you though. I even have a bunch of pharm maffia books. I've claimed likewise things and got flamed. You don't. I don't want you to. But if you'd sharpen your words you'd be more accurate. So this is kind of a suggestion in disguise.
GHB is only safer (IF it is, because there is too much unknown to draw conclusions about SSRI's, SRNI's etc.), if it's produced correctly.
I wonder what high dose chronic and long term mean with regard to ghb. And what the differences would be with gbl.
GHB withdrawal seems like an ultra bitch equal to or worse than benzo. And benzo is already worse than alcohol IMO.
Will read your link asap.
To respond point by point:
"Few" in the context of using it as a clinical anti-depressant would mean anywhere from 3 weeks to 6 months (outer limits) - but of course would clearly depend on the situation and the context of the intervention. "High doses" would mean above 1g - 1.5g in this context. "Long term" would mean longer than 6-9 months. But it's always context dependent.
There is no "proof" of anything ever. But my research and experience both indicate this efficacy. So it is always IMHO, but I feel clear saying it based on my understanding of healing psychosis (in the broadest meaning of that word) and emotional contraction and wounding. There is a lot of research you can access which also supports this POV.
When I refer to GHB I am always assuming that it is actually proper (and properly produced) GHB. There would be no point otherwise. And we supply it in addition, so I tend not to belabor that point any further as it's been said.
Regarding SSRI's I think the evidence is in, and has been for many years. They are extremely problematic, and do not cause healing - but merely suppress symptoms (which is the usual functional activity of Western Medicine).
"Chronic" and "high-dose" in this context would mean dosing multiple grams (2g - 3g) every couple of hours and doing it day after day for extended periods of time. If you want to ask me what "extended" means, then it could be anything from a week to a year.
I do not consider GBL a usable drug ever, but a somewhat toxic reagent used in the manufacture of GHB. I do not feel it has a place in the discussion of benign clinical pharmacology. I know many people use it as it bio-converts to GHB, but I consider this practice unintelligent. My personal point of view - I would never ingest it.
If you read that paper it is evident that there are many similarities between GHB, benzo and alcohol withdrawal - with some more severe than others on different vectors.
BG
GBL is a usable drug. The difference lies within the dopamine release.
I agree with you on the ssri part.
In my experience, ghb has not proven to be useful for a clinical depression.
And you are, all of a sudden, talking about psychosis, why?
You must know about xyrem(sp?), it is about the same as ghb. Not sure what the difference is. I think if you add water to it, it can be called ghb. Either way, the mechanism is the same. And it has been used/is used, for narcolepsy.
It is NOT for people with M.D.D.
I know there is literature on ghb and major depression disorder. But there were too many complications. Now it could be so that they are made up by the pharm mob, but that would be strange because for example Xyrem is a lot more expensive than ssri's.
Too bad I'm lazy. Otherwise I'd do some real research with articles and all. One book from amazon.com does not mean anything to me.
Doctor phill sells millions of books, while we all know he is completely full of shit.
Taking ghb to "cure" depression just does not make sense to me. It messes with your chemical stability. Just as drinking alcohol in threshold doses will not cure anything, or taking benzo's.
There are too many risks and side effects, And even threshold doses will make you physically dependent after taking it every day 3 times a day for longer than a few weeks.
Virmo,
1. By your own admission you're lazy and don't do real research. Therefore you are out of your depth in this conversation and it is showing. No disrespect, but you're working it a bit my friend, and so I'm responding directly. It really is worth properly researching a subject you intend to engage in.
2. Xyrem is GHB (not something that is "about the same"). It's just the trade name for the FDA-approved product (I have looked into its spec BTW and it is lower than ours). It is a liquid.
3. GBL is a strong solvent. It can strip paint off a wall and dissolve hard glue and engine grease for fuck's sake. I would never in a million years put GBL in my body even if it was 99.99999% pure and given to me for free. While it will metabolize in the body to GHB it is clearly a toxin and will stress the liver, kidneys and pancreas while it is metabolizing. I notice from your vendor page that you are presently having a "HUGE sellout of GBL/GHB" so I understand you wanting to promote that point of view on this thread. I humbly suggest you start a new thread for that though, as you will get only disagreement for me here regarding this point.
4. You say "In my experience, ghb has not proven to be useful for a clinical depression.". What experience is this? I'm curious, because in my research and experience with this compound (over 15 years) I have found that it is profoundly useful and safe when used clinically, and properly managed. Your comments about its addiction dynamics are simply wrong. It has to be used with care and there are always risks that need to be managed (same for any drug used in a clinical context), but I can see that your understanding of how it actually works clinically is not well informed. For the record you will see that I used the words "healing psychosis (in the broadest meaning of that word)". Psychosis meaning essentially dysfunction at any level of the mechanisms of the mind - so a relevant choice of words.
5. MOST IMPORTANT: I can see from many posts you have made (including this thread: http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=95200 and this thread: http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=101553) that you are asking newbie type questions relating to synthesizing GHB and that you also have an active working relationship with psychonaughty, and appear to be making GHB together with him. From the questions he asked me by PM and on the threads above, he is undoubtedly one of the most irresponsible amateur "bath tub" GHB chemists I have come across. Clearly not that into research neither. If what you are giving away as free samples and selling from your vendor page is the GHB that the two of you have been trying to cook up of late then I think you are being really irresponsible. I'm sorry, I would not normally make any criticism of you publicly on this forum, but you did come onto my thread and start working it (probably about 3 or 4 niggly posts from you over the last few days). So now I'm saying it.
So blessings and good luck to you dude. I hope my comments can be received in good spirit - and that you can work out your synth properly. I mean no ill-will at all, but all of us can sometimes be served by being told where we're at. It's all about growth my friend.
BG
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Just ordered some GHB. Look forward to trying it after some MDMA! :)
As I ordered it with 10 Moxy caps, I presume these will be sent in the same package?
Different package.
BG
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Just read through this whole thread - thanks for all the fantastic information, BG, and all the fascinating discussion along the way. I'll be making an order tonight and wanted to express thanks as well as subscribe to this topic to keep up with it. :)
You're most welcome! And thanks for your order - please let me know your experience when you take it :)
BG
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Just read through this whole thread - thanks for all the fantastic information, BG, and all the fascinating discussion along the way. I'll be making an order tonight and wanted to express thanks as well as subscribe to this topic to keep up with it. :)
You're most welcome! And thanks for your order - please let me know your experience when you take it :)
BG
I most certainly will! And if it is half as good as it seems to be from all the reading I have done, I will very quickly be ordering a larger amount. :)
I was wondering ever combined GHB with DMT? Either taking the GHB a moment before DMT so it starts kicking in as the DMT is wearing off, or perhaps a while before to help relax and prepare for the DMT?
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Imma going to do this this way, these quote images are making me feel trippy.
@ BlueGiraffe:
"Virmo,
1. By your own admission you're lazy and don't do real research. Therefore you are out of your depth in this conversation and it is showing. No disrespect, but you're working it a bit my friend, and so I'm responding directly. It really is worth properly researching a subject you intend to engage in."
No comment :p
"2. Xyrem is GHB (not something that is "about the same"). It's just the trade name for the FDA-approved product (I have looked into its spec BTW and it is lower than ours). It is a liquid."
Taken from:
http://www.ema.europa.eu/ema/index.jsp?curl=pages/medicines/human/medicines/000593/human_med_001163.jsp&mid=WC0b01ac058001d124
Xyrem is an oral solution, which contains the active substance sodium oxybate (500 mg/ml).
Wikipedia:
"γ-Hydroxybutyric acid (GHB), also known as 4-hydroxybutanoic acid, is a naturally occurring substance found in the human central nervous system, as well as in wine, beef, small citrus fruits, and almost all animals in small amounts.[1] It is also categorized as an illegal drug in many countries.[2] It is currently regulated in Australia and New Zealand, Canada, most of Europe and in the US. GHB as the sodium salt, known as sodium oxybate (INN) or by the trade name Xyrem,[3] is used to treat cataplexy[4] and excessive daytime sleepiness in patients with narcolepsy."
Ok so Xyrem equals GHB. Then some other sites made me confused.
Xyrem is really expensive, and made by pharms.
Pharms want money, they create diseases, they create cures. Actually, I'm not 100% sure, but I think the Pharms kind of control the world. They already control the outcome of research by giving researchers a lot of money to research a. When you search for a, you will find a.
There is not enough money to research b. Researchers who do b, are willing to go for truth over job. Then will lead an awful life and die.
Just like it has always been.
From that Xyrem site again:
"The most common side effects with Xyrem (seen in more than 1 patient in 10) are dizziness, headache and nausea (feeling sick). Nausea is more common in women than in men. Xyrem can also cause respiratory depression (inhibition of breathing). For the full list of all side effects reported with Xyrem, see the package leaflet.
Xyrem should not be used in people who may be hypersensitive (allergic) to sodium oxybate or any of the other ingredients. It must not be used in patients with major depression, in patients with ‘succinic semialdehyde dehydrogenase deficiency’ (a rare metabolic disease), or in patients being treated with opioids (such as some painkillers) or barbiturates (such as some anaesthetics and medicines used to prevent seizures). Because sodium oxybate can be abused, doctors must carefully monitor patients using Xyrem."
That is a lying bitch website!
"3. GBL is a strong solvent. It can strip paint off a wall and dissolve hard glue and engine grease for fuck's sake. I would never in a million years put GBL in my body even if it was 99.99999% pure and given to me for free. While it will metabolize in the body to GHB it is clearly a toxin and will stress the liver, kidneys and pancreas while it is metabolizing. I notice from your vendor page that you are presently having a "HUGE sellout of GBL/GHB" so I understand you wanting to promote that point of view on this thread. I humbly suggest you start a new thread for that though, as you will get only disagreement for me here regarding this point. "
You really do not know what gbl is or you are playing stupid or you are trying to black-talk me.
You ingest substances covering a big Ph range.
You can certainly dissolve gbl into something acidic and ingest it.
Yes your liver and kidneys will have to work harder. But how much? I have no idea.
I would never recommend anybody ingesting gbl as it is, or putting it in some 100ml juice/whatever acidic as a shot.
Ghb IS better for your body than gbl.
Your words about my sellout I do not understand. Many people never even used ghb, only gbl. I give advice and try to get people so far as to not poisoning themselves.
BTW, you need gbl to make ghb salts.. So what is your problem again?
"4. You say "In my experience, ghb has not proven to be useful for a clinical depression.". What experience is this? I'm curious, because in my research and experience with this compound (about 15 years) I have found that it is profoundly useful and safe when used clinically, and properly managed. Your comments about its addiction dynamics are simply wrong. It has to be used with care and there are always risks that need to be managed (same for any drug used in a clinical context), but I can see that your understanding of how it actually works clinically is not well informed. For the record you will see that I used the words "healing psychosis (in the broadest meaning of that word)". Psychosis meaning essentially dysfunction at any level of the mechanisms of the mind - so a relevant choice of words."
Yes it just hasn't, unfortunately. I wish it was.
We just have different experiences, you had good ones, I am glad for you for that.
No need to flame me here. Chill.
Xyrem equals GHB. I apologize for being confused about what is and isn't in it now.
The website sais it's bad for mdd treatment. But this is what I do not understand.
I know the whole pharmacy "conspiracy" story.
But why are they switching more and more to antidepressants and antipsychotics instead of all the old stuff that DID work? And with Xyrem they would make tons of money, more than by selling many antidepressants they do now.
Nobody knows the truth about that, or ever will, unfortunately.
I'm not taking the words of that website into here to back up my supposed claim that ghb is not good for treatment of mdd.
Remember: all I said was, use your words carefully when doing recommendations like that.
There are also many things people should avoid when taking ghb. You are recommending poly-drug use. This confuses me.
"5. MOST IMPORTANT:"
Please remove this. We do not ship stuff to people that might be harmful. You can only trust me on this one. I could not live with myself otherwise.
Any other words I must omit, because you are of threatening identities here.
"So blessings and good luck to you dude. I hope my comments can be received in good spirit - and that you can work out your synth properly. I mean no ill-will at all, but all of us can sometimes be served by being told where we're at. It's all about growth my friend."
Same to you. We should have pm'ed though. Which I will actually do now for a request.
Your words are received in good spirit.
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Just read through this whole thread - thanks for all the fantastic information, BG, and all the fascinating discussion along the way. I'll be making an order tonight and wanted to express thanks as well as subscribe to this topic to keep up with it. :)
You're most welcome! And thanks for your order - please let me know your experience when you take it :)
BG
I most certainly will! And if it is half as good as it seems to be from all the reading I have done, I will very quickly be ordering a larger amount. :)
I was wondering ever combined GHB with DMT? Either taking the GHB a moment before DMT so it starts kicking in as the DMT is wearing off, or perhaps a while before to help relax and prepare for the DMT?
I have not done that combo, no. Might be interesting though... Though personally I would want to be relatively "sober" when taking DMT - so would not be inclined to cocktail them. Perhaps a very low dose of GHB if at all...
BG
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FOR THOSE WITH LESS THAN 50 POSTS WHO WANT TO ASK QUESTIONS OR COMMENT:
You may do so on the BlueGiraffe GHB Everything thread here: http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=108363
BG
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Looks like I'm a bit short for GHB this month.. maybe next month :)
I was considering playing the lotto just so I had chance at GHB :P
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wanted to pitch in with my personal experience of using GHB with amyl nitirites so other people may some day find it.
i am a very experienced user of amyl nitrites- for me drug use (the sex drug use especially) requires them.. without amyl i couldnt be fucked doing drugs.. its like drugs are the song but amyl is the chorus.
well anyway ive done lots of combos with drugs of all types with amyl.. and my recent venture into using GHB and amyl has shown me that for me, its NOT a good mix at all.
i dont know what happens to me as im not a doctor or in a medical setting, but after i sniff the amyl when im on any drug and using ghb i just begin to feel nauseous, lightheaded and end up having to lay down for about 10 minutes.. it totally kills the amyl buzz. its just doing something that i know is not right for me.. so i cant entertain that combo again.. and ive tested this combo a good few times now
so GHB for me, ghb will only ever used on its own from now on (unless i ditch the amyl for that session).. as an occasional sleep aid, social euphoriant alcohol replacement
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Hi BlueGiraffe! I'm sure you're asked this all the time, but why do your shipments take so long to arrive? A wee bit disappointed mines hasn't got here for the weekend :(
I'd be willing to pay a bit extra for 1st class for example.
Otherwise thanks for the great info!
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Hi BlueGiraffe! I'm sure you're asked this all the time, but why do your shipments take so long to arrive? A wee bit disappointed mines hasn't got here for the weekend :(
I'd be willing to pay a bit extra for 1st class for example.
Otherwise thanks for the great info!
THIS.
If I knew it would get here sooner I would order A LOT more.
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Hi BlueGiraffe! I'm sure you're asked this all the time, but why do your shipments take so long to arrive? A wee bit disappointed mines hasn't got here for the weekend :(
I'd be willing to pay a bit extra for 1st class for example.
Otherwise thanks for the great info!
THIS.
If I knew it would get here sooner I would order A LOT more.
What's the average time shipping to UK btw?
God bless SR!
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wanted to pitch in with my personal experience of using GHB with amyl nitirites so other people may some day find it.
i am a very experienced user of amyl nitrites- for me drug use (the sex drug use especially) requires them.. without amyl i couldnt be fucked doing drugs.. its like drugs are the song but amyl is the chorus.
well anyway ive done lots of combos with drugs of all types with amyl.. and my recent venture into using GHB and amyl has shown me that for me, its NOT a good mix at all.
i dont know what happens to me as im not a doctor or in a medical setting, but after i sniff the amyl when im on any drug and using ghb i just begin to feel nauseous, lightheaded and end up having to lay down for about 10 minutes.. it totally kills the amyl buzz. its just doing something that i know is not right for me.. so i cant entertain that combo again.. and ive tested this combo a good few times now
so GHB for me, ghb will only ever used on its own from now on (unless i ditch the amyl for that session).. as an occasional sleep aid, social euphoriant alcohol replacement
Thanks for providing this input to the thread. I do not have experience with amyl and GHB (and scant with amyl on its own) so this is useful to know. My intuition would have suggested that this would not be a good combo - but it's really good to have that confirmed. Much appreciated.
BG
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Hi BlueGiraffe! I'm sure you're asked this all the time, but why do your shipments take so long to arrive? A wee bit disappointed mines hasn't got here for the weekend :(
I'd be willing to pay a bit extra for 1st class for example.
Otherwise thanks for the great info!
Sorry about that :)
There a few reasons:
1. We only ship twice a week. So if you order 5 minutes after we shipped, it will 3-4 days before we ship next.
2. We move product from another country to the UK and then ship from there - that adds another day or two.
3. Then it's 1st class Royal Mail from there. That takes as long as it takes and is normally pretty quick. Obviously we've just come through the Christmas holidays which has added some delay to everyone's order.
Currently we are looking at delivery taking between 2-3 weeks, though sometimes it is quicker - we've had some landing in about a week recently, but work on 2 weeks as a likely minimum.
And we can't modify that system currently.
BG
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Hi BlueGiraffe! I'm sure you're asked this all the time, but why do your shipments take so long to arrive? A wee bit disappointed mines hasn't got here for the weekend :(
I'd be willing to pay a bit extra for 1st class for example.
Otherwise thanks for the great info!
THIS.
If I knew it would get here sooner I would order A LOT more.
Hey awesome :)
Thanks for being so patient regarding your package that went missing. Your re-ship went out on January 18th so hopefully will be with you soon.
As it's your first order from us I obviously want you to get it before making a larger order! But once you have got this first one then just accept the 2-3 weeks and order earlier ;)
Been a pleasure working with you and apologies for the missing parcel. It's been a long time so it's probably gone, but that said, a client received one the other day, 6 weeks after we had shipped it! Obviously got snagged and then unsnagged somewhere.
BG
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Subbed!
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Hi BlueGiraffe! I'm sure you're asked this all the time, but why do your shipments take so long to arrive? A wee bit disappointed mines hasn't got here for the weekend :(
I'd be willing to pay a bit extra for 1st class for example.
Otherwise thanks for the great info!
THIS.
If I knew it would get here sooner I would order A LOT more.
What's the average time shipping to UK btw?
God bless SR!
To the UK I would say a week to 10 days to be conservative. Two weeks on the outside.
BG
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Ah I did think my order was taking a while for a domestic, that will be why! Hopefully should be with me tomorrow or the day after. I will try the GHB asap after I receive it, it'll be my first time and I will feedback on my experience for you guys. :)
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When you mark it is shipped, is that when you receive the order or the day you actually ship them? I'm honestly not phased by either just want to clarify to get a better idea of when mine might be coming. :) I'm so keen.
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Ah I did think my order was taking a while for a domestic, that will be why! Hopefully should be with me tomorrow or the day after. I will try the GHB asap after I receive it, it'll be my first time and I will feedback on my experience for you guys. :)
Appreciate...
BG
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When you mark it is shipped, is that when you receive the order or the day you actually ship them? I'm honestly not phased by either just want to clarify to get a better idea of when mine might be coming. :) I'm so keen.
Normally the evening before. We process that night and then ship the following morning generally.
BG
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Our new BlueGiraffe Vendor Review and Feedback Page is here: http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=110447.0
Please use this for comments and questions about us a vendor - packaging, shipping, guarantees, critique, praise, rants - whatever...
The present thread to be a more technical GHB information thread - usage, dosing, best practices, interactions with other drugs, application - sexuality, anxiolytic, mood enhancement, sleep etc.
BG
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Hi BG,
As per the header, whats the deal with Moxy cross tolerance with 25i NBOMe, LSD, Shrooms?
Also, is it like use once ...and wait a few weeks before you can use again?
3mg caps? That's tiny! We got some 2CB from another vendor and were so cautious with tritrating we never did get get a ++++ sexy time. it did get us into a bright shiny space tho, the night, the moonlight, was unforgettable. But we digress....
We've learned, that our tolerance for just about any chem is almost double the 'regular' given dose, except alcohol, which does us no favors past the 2nd drink...
thanks in anticipation, m
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Another question!
Say I tried a gram or so of GHB at about 7pm, at what point would it be safe to drink alcohol afterwards? 10 or 11..??
Plan is currently GHB at 7 just to try it, moxy at 10, out on the bevvy at 12ish.
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We do know now that 1g of GHB does NOT get us there (We have learned that with practically every substance we use except alcohol, we need to double the regular dose to get the 'standard' effects regular users get. This sucks because it means our chem costs effectively double and/or our stash-life halves!) *'We' means me, not two users*
Last night (Saturday) we tried an eyeball dose of (20ug/30ug?) Moxy along with a measured 2g of GHB with titrated re-doses, we did 'feel' it, as a woozy feeling, we did not get jiggy at all on this dose, so we think that we used too soon after that first ever and one-off 2.4g GHB dose, Thursday.
We also re-dosed GHB 1g at 45 mins,
and nothing much happened,
then .60g at 40mins further in,
and finally 1g another 30mins in,
thereafter we decided to save what was left of the GHB cos this is just wasting it, to NO EFFECT.
Bear in mind we're also bumping a shitload of good resiny weed, about every ten to twenty minutes, this combo should have knocked out a racehorse, but we're like 'Ok when is this combo of aphrodisacs gonna show us some love?'
We just got moderately (THC) high last night, the rest GHB+Moxy was wasted.
We are not long term users of anything, have been otherwise clean since last April, what the fuck is up with us?
FOOTNOTE: We ate a small clementine/mandarin to chase the Moxy cause the taste was bitterly horrible.
We were once told that Orange juice can abort a Mushroom trip, wondering if citric acid may have fucked with these chems in some way?
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Update:
We let 4 days pass (since above post) and decided to have another GHB solo session on a whim late last night.
We re-read BG dosage post again, and reckoning by our own relative inexperience, plus the fact we know we need to dose on the high side with most chems to get effects,
This is how it went: (24hr clock used)
01:25 2.6g in an inch or two lukewarm water
01:35 Definitely feel that G-like intoxication, nice buzzy feeling, similar, but very much more pleasant than, being 'tipsy'.
01:45 Suddenly feeling very erotic. (This was entirely absent when we took similar doses within 48hrs of each other last time, so we need at least 4 days/nights off)
02:05 Dose 1.6g and take it in mouthfuls of water about 15 mins apart. Break out with the poppers (we prefer the clean and powerful Red Satyr brand) very good synergy with GHB if you are a popper fan, takes the high off in a floaty erotic cloud!
02:30 Dose .98g as before, add a hash/weed chaser.
03:10 Tripping very smoothly, highly erotic, and euphoric, would be happy to drop dead right about ...now!
03:15 Decide to eat an apple, it tastes delicious, and we monster it, barely leaving the stem intact!
03:20 Feel a strange not quite nausea but very distracting and uncomfortable body load, that seems to settle in the lower jaw and spread uncomfortable tension everywhere. Room is spinning like when drunk, worry that we will vomit, assume a sitting position, intoxication builds, but we resist sleep, we don't want to waste the high, but we just cannot focus on anything right now but the discomfort, the lesson here is GHB needs to be monitored carefully, maybe even set out doses ahead of time and have multiple alarms on device so as not to dose too much too soon?
03:30 Have to lie down, the trip is overwhelming, drop off, and come around at
04:15 we have been asleep(?) for 45 minutes, but the load is now back under control, sexiness returns, although not as powerful as before the apple (did the apple trigger something in the chems?)
04:18 Take some deep hits of our hash/weed blend. Go to the kitchen and make three BLT toasties, and wolf them down! Make 2nd pot of peppermint tea (We always use warm not hot peppermint tea for hydration while rolling in winter)
05:15 Re-dose 1g GHB as per above, a sip of impregnated water every 15mins or so. Feel the edges of the last unpleasant 45mins at times, but it's mainly pleasant...
06:15 Re-dose 1g GHB (finishing the batch) but neck the entire shot to get to sleep.
12:00 (noon today) Wake up with no adverse effects or comedown, we could never have gotten this wasted on alcohol and still been this well after it, cannot understand why govts. domonize and ban this stuff, they are so misguided! IMO it is no more a 'date-rape' drug than alcohol, in fact, it's probably less of a danger to women, as a male at least, we know we make much more sense of the world on GHB than a comparable intoxication with say, wine.
Either way, if you have enough of both substances you're going to either put out or pass out, so whats the problem here -we see none.
Summary: We want to play with this chem again, but really want to try it with someone special and get jiggy with it.
Do be aware, although it has been said before, GHB salt, unless kept VERY airtight will absorb moisture like a sponge, you don't want to reach for your granules after a few weeks and find a mush. We don't know how effective it is in this degraded condition, but accurate dosing would probably be impossible unless you knew exactly how many grams the salt was originally. BG care to comment?
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I will post a huuuuuuge review soon, as I believe I may have just won the lottery :)
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Thanks. Your guide cleared a couple of things I was going to message you about, but can you use alcohol in moderation before taking a dose? Like a beer or two earlier in the evening? Is it deathly harmful or just long-term use with the combination that causes problems? I've tried it several times in the past and I was on a wide variety of drugs that you stated were harmful in the combination. I guess I should just keep the dosage low.
Every person is different. You need to experiment, but not exceed to much alcohol, 1--2 lager and small dosage GBL/GHB will do. Know your body, know your substance, know your source.
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some questions
Does regular use of GHB create dosage tolerences to it?
If it works on gaba receptors does being tolereant to benzos create tolerances to ghb?
Is mixing viagra and ghb safe?
Is mixing amyl nitrites (poppers) a bad idea with ghb?
Is mixing ghb and methamphatamine safe?
Why do people prefer to take ghb during the comedown phase of mdma? what happens if you do it before your peak?
1. Yes it increases tolerance.
2. It downregulate Gaba-B receptors in your brain
3. I would not try. After GBL/GHB U will be fucking shinned anyway. You will shag a radiator, whatever stands or moves, believe me
4. No, wouldn't try
5. Yes it's safe especially after comedown
6. Because MDMA works on serotonin release and dopamine while GHB only GABA B
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How is GHB and sex?
You can fuck anything, everywhere, everytime. For very long time with no ejaculate. My record is 7 hours contentiously sex..
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Hello any one with experience combining 5-MeO-MIPT / Moxy with NBOME or MDMA?
Also curious how GHB stalks with NBOme?
Any input would be greatly appreciated.
Simple, it will make your experience more beautiful, happy, try it.
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would you happen to know anything about the storage life of your powdered form of GHB?
in a room temperature enviroment, in a dark enivroment, sealed from moisture using moisture absorbers and possibly even vacumn sealed how long do you think the chemical will last? are we talking years ?
what are some factors that may contribute/degrade the powdered form of ghb's shelf life?
Years in good condition. No light and no moisture at all. Take those little things you can find in different product. They intend to absorb humidity from the environment.
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Hi BG,
As per the header, whats the deal with Moxy cross tolerance with 25i NBOMe, LSD, Shrooms?
Also, is it like use once ...and wait a few weeks before you can use again?
3mg caps? That's tiny! We got some 2CB from another vendor and were so cautious with tritrating we never did get get a ++++ sexy time. it did get us into a bright shiny space tho, the night, the moonlight, was unforgettable. But we digress....
We've learned, that our tolerance for just about any chem is almost double the 'regular' given dose, except alcohol, which does us no favors past the 2nd drink...
thanks in anticipation, m
Apologies for the delay replying - I haven't been on the forums for a while.
I'm not entirely sure about Moxy cross-tolerance with the ones you mentioned. I suspect there may be some with LSD and shrooms - and probably even less with NBOMe's.
In my experience you could take moxy every couple of days (if low dose) - but best is to give it at least a week between sessions.
3mg is about the smallest amount that is worth taking - and is actually a very nice dose for the bedroom, or just for a mellow shift. It also allows better graduation of dosage - i.e. you have access to 3mg, 6mg, 9mg, 12mg etc.
2C-B is also very nice at low doses. Going out to a fine dinner on 5mg is wonderful. Sex on 10mg - 15mg is delightful. And tripping your face off on 30g - 40mg is well... also superb!
BG
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Another question!
Say I tried a gram or so of GHB at about 7pm, at what point would it be safe to drink alcohol afterwards? 10 or 11..??
Plan is currently GHB at 7 just to try it, moxy at 10, out on the bevvy at 12ish.
On such a low dose (1g), having some alcohol 4-5 later should be safe.
However, common wisdom is to keep those two totally out of the same body at the same time. If you're going to do GHB then do that, and if you're going to drink then do that. In both scenarios you will feel better.
Suggest just explore GHB and Moxy and leave out the alcohol. Or do Moxy and alcohol but no GHB.
GHB is also best when the dosage is progressively built up - perhaps 1g every 30-35 minutes. See my dosing tutorial earlier this thread.
BG
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We do know now that 1g of GHB does NOT get us there (We have learned that with practically every substance we use except alcohol, we need to double the regular dose to get the 'standard' effects regular users get. This sucks because it means our chem costs effectively double and/or our stash-life halves!) *'We' means me, not two users*
Last night (Saturday) we tried an eyeball dose of (20ug/30ug?) Moxy along with a measured 2g of GHB with titrated re-doses, we did 'feel' it, as a woozy feeling, we did not get jiggy at all on this dose, so we think that we used too soon after that first ever and one-off 2.4g GHB dose, Thursday.
We also re-dosed GHB 1g at 45 mins,
and nothing much happened,
then .60g at 40mins further in,
and finally 1g another 30mins in,
thereafter we decided to save what was left of the GHB cos this is just wasting it, to NO EFFECT.
Bear in mind we're also bumping a shitload of good resiny weed, about every ten to twenty minutes, this combo should have knocked out a racehorse, but we're like 'Ok when is this combo of aphrodisacs gonna show us some love?'
We just got moderately (THC) high last night, the rest GHB+Moxy was wasted.
We are not long term users of anything, have been otherwise clean since last April, what the fuck is up with us?
FOOTNOTE: We ate a small clementine/mandarin to chase the Moxy cause the taste was bitterly horrible.
We were once told that Orange juice can abort a Mushroom trip, wondering if citric acid may have fucked with these chems in some way?
"Mustn't ask us - it's not its business!" ~ Gollum
Love how you refer to yourself as "we" :)
Assume you meant 20-30mg (not ug) of Moxy?? This dose would slam most people into the wall - very very hard! A scale perhaps? :)
Of course if it was 20-30ug then you would feel nothing at all - but then you wouldn't be trying to eyeball that...
Your GHB spacing here was a tad wide. If you had pulled it a little closer together, say 20-30 mins, instead of 30-45 mins you would have likely gotten into the zone.
My personal experience BTW is that I feel GHB's euphoria more if I am not smoking cannabis. I like to smoke weed on its own anyway, but I definitely noticed this.
Don't think the mandarin would have fucked with anything...
BG
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Update:
We let 4 days pass (since above post) and decided to have another GHB solo session on a whim late last night.
We re-read BG dosage post again, and reckoning by our own relative inexperience, plus the fact we know we need to dose on the high side with most chems to get effects,
This is how it went: (24hr clock used)
01:25 2.6g in an inch or two lukewarm water
01:35 Definitely feel that G-like intoxication, nice buzzy feeling, similar, but very much more pleasant than, being 'tipsy'.
01:45 Suddenly feeling very erotic. (This was entirely absent when we took similar doses within 48hrs of each other last time, so we need at least 4 days/nights off)
02:05 Dose 1.6g and take it in mouthfuls of water about 15 mins apart. Break out with the poppers (we prefer the clean and powerful Red Satyr brand) very good synergy with GHB if you are a popper fan, takes the high off in a floaty erotic cloud!
02:30 Dose .98g as before, add a hash/weed chaser.
03:10 Tripping very smoothly, highly erotic, and euphoric, would be happy to drop dead right about ...now!
03:15 Decide to eat an apple, it tastes delicious, and we monster it, barely leaving the stem intact!
03:20 Feel a strange not quite nausea but very distracting and uncomfortable body load, that seems to settle in the lower jaw and spread uncomfortable tension everywhere. Room is spinning like when drunk, worry that we will vomit, assume a sitting position, intoxication builds, but we resist sleep, we don't want to waste the high, but we just cannot focus on anything right now but the discomfort, the lesson here is GHB needs to be monitored carefully, maybe even set out doses ahead of time and have multiple alarms on device so as not to dose too much too soon?
03:30 Have to lie down, the trip is overwhelming, drop off, and come around at
04:15 we have been asleep(?) for 45 minutes, but the load is now back under control, sexiness returns, although not as powerful as before the apple (did the apple trigger something in the chems?)
04:18 Take some deep hits of our hash/weed blend. Go to the kitchen and make three BLT toasties, and wolf them down! Make 2nd pot of peppermint tea (We always use warm not hot peppermint tea for hydration while rolling in winter)
05:15 Re-dose 1g GHB as per above, a sip of impregnated water every 15mins or so. Feel the edges of the last unpleasant 45mins at times, but it's mainly pleasant...
06:15 Re-dose 1g GHB (finishing the batch) but neck the entire shot to get to sleep.
12:00 (noon today) Wake up with no adverse effects or comedown, we could never have gotten this wasted on alcohol and still been this well after it, cannot understand why govts. domonize and ban this stuff, they are so misguided! IMO it is no more a 'date-rape' drug than alcohol, in fact, it's probably less of a danger to women, as a male at least, we know we make much more sense of the world on GHB than a comparable intoxication with say, wine.
Either way, if you have enough of both substances you're going to either put out or pass out, so whats the problem here -we see none.
Summary: We want to play with this chem again, but really want to try it with someone special and get jiggy with it.
Do be aware, although it has been said before, GHB salt, unless kept VERY airtight will absorb moisture like a sponge, you don't want to reach for your granules after a few weeks and find a mush. We don't know how effective it is in this degraded condition, but accurate dosing would probably be impossible unless you knew exactly how many grams the salt was originally. BG care to comment?
Great trip report. Thank you!
GHB dosing improves with experience for sure - your dosing was perhaps a little steep in places with this one - but seems you had an excellent time overall...
And yes, GHB is much more fun with someone you enjoy naked ;)
Best to keep it dry for sure - mainly for measuring, as GHB is relatively stable in liquid.
BG
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I will post a huuuuuuge review soon, as I believe I may have just won the lottery :)
You have most definitely won the lottery!!!
BG
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I'm so excited! I ordered 25g to try GHB for the first time.
It says it's processing, but I'm in no rush. It's not like I'm going anywhere. ;)
I noticed that the average first-timer dosage was about a gram. That might explain why this stuff is so cheap. Because I was a durp and didn't do my research first, I was like, "holy crap! If only I had a fraction of a bitcoin more, I could have gotten 50 grams!"
But alas, it was not to be. That's okay, though, now that I've done more research on this drug, I see that it's definitely going to be in the mix. This way, I (probably) won't need sildenafil.
I'm so excited, I'm literally bouncing in my chair!
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I'm so excited! I ordered 25g to try GHB for the first time.
It says it's processing, but I'm in no rush. It's not like I'm going anywhere. ;)
I noticed that the average first-timer dosage was about a gram. That might explain why this stuff is so cheap. Because I was a durp and didn't do my research first, I was like, "holy crap! If only I had a fraction of a bitcoin more, I could have gotten 50 grams!"
But alas, it was not to be. That's okay, though, now that I've done more research on this drug, I see that it's definitely going to be in the mix. This way, I (probably) won't need sildenafil.
I'm so excited, I'm literally bouncing in my chair!
So I tried some last night (not BG's sadly, by the time I got my order in I knew I wouldn't have time to wait for his amazing stuff to arrive). I'm 250 lbs, so a big boy, and gave 1.5g a go mixed in water and felt a slight buzz off that in about 15-20 minutes. Assuming the stuff I got is similar to BG's, I would keep the dosing criteria pretty close to heart. Start small and top off over time. The biggest risk with this stuff seems to be deciding that you aren't feeling it and increasing the dose before the previous dose hit. It stays in the system for a good long time so those redoses add up pretty fast.
I still haven't found a good replacement for that little blue pill, although my little test last night was no where near enough to get me "Happy" and my GF was already asleep. What we really need on the road is someone that sells Viagra powder like they do with Xanax. If you ever need a clearnet link for where to get some cheap pills I normally source mine at about 60 cents each for 100mg pills in quantities of 60 or more. Since I normally only need about 25-50mg for my business, the pills end up lasting a good long time. Come to think of it I might need to open a vendor account and start reselling the stuff since it all seems to sell for about two bucks for 100mg pill on here... might be a new way to pay for my other hobbies!
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DiamondSky,
When Vitamin V proprietary rights expired, the Indian chemists made a nice little copy called Kamagra. It sells on the streets of Bangkok (and probably elsewhere) for around 100bt. USD $3 +/- a sachet. it is a flavoured gel, one sachet lasts 12-24 hours. Contains same chem as what Viagra contains.
We have not searched for it online, but you might wanna source and try? It has helped us with meth-droop in the past, does the job! ;D
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I will post a huuuuuuge review soon, as I believe I may have just won the lottery :)
You have most definitely won the lottery!!!
BG
Hurrah! Haha, one last question.
Ever since that, "Would you plug a friend?" thread I've got to say, I've kind of been addicted :P
So now I've tried plugging mostly every other recreational drug I've had since then and I'm wondering, can you plug GHB? I'm sure you COULD theoretically but really I guess I'm asking..
Would it be uncomfortable?
Would it come up faster/hit harder?
Would it require less?
Just curious, as always :P
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So my 10 gram pack showed up after almost 60 days. Perfect stealth packaging, even if opened no one would have any idea.
Needless to say, the girl and I LOVE GHB. Sex is incredible.
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GHB with MDPV?
Any input greatly appreciated?
MDPV mimics coke,meth, and a bit of MDMA and GHB fit's in perfectly in that sense to ease it. or potentate it?
But health wise, trip wise????
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BlueGiraffe, I was able to try out LSD + MDMA + 2C-B + GHB (went ahead and added 2C-B) this past weekend and I fell in complete love with GHB (took 1g at T+8:00 and then sipped on 2g over the next two hours). The stomach issues I experienced in the past were completely absent and the intoxicating effects added beautifully to a very psychedelic comedown. It offered for some great social interaction between me and my two friends where we reminisced for hours and allowed me to drift into a wonderful ~4 hour coma at T+12:00ish. Also, had I been around a lady, I'm fairly certain I would have had some absolutely profound sex. My tactile sensations were very, very erotic in nature. You've made me a believer in GHB, my friend. Much love to you! :D
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TK1991- That excites the hell out of me! I imagine the erotic nature of the substance would shine even more, as with MDMA ^_^
I'm going to try it as soon as I get an order in- will report back with results.
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Hey all just posting to say I got a solid offer from BG and it came in and I have to say his packaging stealth is phenomenal. I haven't been this solidly impressed by a packaging since my first order with Shroomeister! That said, I haven't tried any of it yet but the product looks solid and I cannot find a reason why I'd need to complain. BG has proved himself a superb communicator on the forums and as a vendor and is extremely helpful, especially in regards to educating and harm reduction and I highly recommend him.
BlueGiraffe: you can now find yourself on my recommended vendors list. I'm happy to support your venture and if you want me to add your link to my vendor list just give me the go ahead and I'll add it.
Cheers and I'll update with an actual review when I've had a chance to use the product
Snoopish
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can anyone comment on combining GHB with ketamine? is it a big no-no?
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can anyone comment on combining GHB with ketamine? is it a big no-no?
I don't think there are any drug interactions to worry about, but I would be careful on your dosing, especially at first. [Edit: I was wrong, see Erowid post below.] It's alcohol and GHB that is a no-no.
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can anyone comment on combining GHB with ketamine? is it a big no-no?
Is ketamine not a depressant? I'd be wary of combining any depressant with GHB personally. Not speaking with any authority mind, I'm sure someone will answer with some facts.
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From Erowid:
While fatalities with ketamine use as the sole cause of death are rare, they are not unheard of.1,2,3 More commonly, however, other substances are involved in addition to ketamine. Depressants such as benzodiazepines, barbiturates, GHB, or alcohol can amplify ketamine's suppressant effects on breathing and heart rate, possibly causing cardiovascular and respiratory functions to slow down to dangerous levels or discontinue altogether. In one fatality case, where the death was attributed to ketamine in combination with another dissociative anaesthetic and tranquilizer known as Telazol, the autopsy revealed cardiomegaly (enlargement of the heart) and hepatosplenomegaly (enlargement of the liver and spleen).4 In another case, asthma was listed as a joint cause of death along with ketamine,2 again most likely due to the respiratory suppressant effect of the substance.
So I stand corrected.
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Actually Ketamine is considered a dissociative but the effects are not a stimulant but a depressant. Therefore mixing GHB with Ketamine is a BIG NO NO.
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I will post a huuuuuuge review soon, as I believe I may have just won the lottery :)
You have most definitely won the lottery!!!
BG
Hurrah! Haha, one last question.
Ever since that, "Would you plug a friend?" thread I've got to say, I've kind of been addicted :P
So now I've tried plugging mostly every other recreational drug I've had since then and I'm wondering, can you plug GHB? I'm sure you COULD theoretically but really I guess I'm asking..
Would it be uncomfortable?
Would it come up faster/hit harder?
Would it require less?
Just curious, as always :P
Hey TK (and everyone)
Apologies, I've been off the forums for a while - had some important stuff to deal with IRL...
This is a great first question to come back to! :)
And fuck I don't know the answer! I'm sure one could, and it would probably work well - small amount of warm water, smooth slippery syringe - sounding enticing already ;)
TK, I think you just volunteered to be the one to do the experiment and report back! Probably it will be more active so start with a smaller dose than usual.
We eagerly await your write-up...
Love
BG
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So my 10 gram pack showed up after almost 60 days. Perfect stealth packaging, even if opened no one would have any idea.
Needless to say, the girl and I LOVE GHB. Sex is incredible.
Glad you got the replacement!
And so happy you and your lady are enjoying :) There's truly nothing better for sex IMHO...
BG
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I will post a huuuuuuge review soon, as I believe I may have just won the lottery :)
You have most definitely won the lottery!!!
BG
Hurrah! Haha, one last question.
Ever since that, "Would you plug a friend?" thread I've got to say, I've kind of been addicted :P
So now I've tried plugging mostly every other recreational drug I've had since then and I'm wondering, can you plug GHB? I'm sure you COULD theoretically but really I guess I'm asking..
Would it be uncomfortable?
Would it come up faster/hit harder?
Would it require less?
Just curious, as always :P
Hey TK (and everyone)
Apologies, I've been off the forums for a while - had some important stuff to deal with IRL...
This is a great first question to come back to! :)
And fuck I don't know the answer! I'm sure one could, and it would probably work well - small amount of warm water, smooth slippery syringe - sounding enticing already ;)
TK, I think you just volunteered to be the one to do the experiment and report back! Probably it will be more active so start with a smaller dose than usual.
We eagerly await your write-up...
Love
BG
Yeah not a lot of information on plugging GHB and I'm a plugger of most everything myself. The biggest concern for me would be starting at a low dose and working up real slow. With substances like MDMA I know how a plugged dose varies from an oral dose but with GHB it could be a whole different world. Studies rate the oral bio-availability of GHB to be anywhere from 25% to 65% which means if plugging increases the bio-availability to near 100% like it does for many drugs, the safest starting point would be 25% of a normal dose. As weird as it is, since the side effects of an OD on GHB can be passing out and possibly throwing up, so you might want to elicit a sitter for this little experiment just in case you end up on your back pretty quick.
Not trying to scare you at all. If I had some left I would try it myself. Just want to make sure you are alive and able to come back and tell us how it goes.
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GHB with MDPV?
Any input greatly appreciated?
MDPV mimics coke,meth, and a bit of MDMA and GHB fit's in perfectly in that sense to ease it. or potentate it?
But health wise, trip wise????
No personal experience with MDPV, but on the surface it appears like it should combo fine. Anyone else with more input on this?
BG
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BlueGiraffe, I was able to try out LSD + MDMA + 2C-B + GHB (went ahead and added 2C-B) this past weekend and I fell in complete love with GHB (took 1g at T+8:00 and then sipped on 2g over the next two hours). The stomach issues I experienced in the past were completely absent and the intoxicating effects added beautifully to a very psychedelic comedown. It offered for some great social interaction between me and my two friends where we reminisced for hours and allowed me to drift into a wonderful ~4 hour coma at T+12:00ish. Also, had I been around a lady, I'm fairly certain I would have had some absolutely profound sex. My tactile sensations were very, very erotic in nature. You've made me a believer in GHB, my friend. Much love to you! :D
Awesome! Am very happy to hear that the stomach issues have resolved. Perhaps you body just needed to get used to the GHB. I had a hunch you would like it so I' glad I followed through on that intuition :)
And just wait until you try it in a sexual context! That's where it really comes into its own ;)
BG
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Hey all just posting to say I got a solid offer from BG and it came in and I have to say his packaging stealth is phenomenal. I haven't been this solidly impressed by a packaging since my first order with Shroomeister! That said, I haven't tried any of it yet but the product looks solid and I cannot find a reason why I'd need to complain. BG has proved himself a superb communicator on the forums and as a vendor and is extremely helpful, especially in regards to educating and harm reduction and I highly recommend him.
BlueGiraffe: you can now find yourself on my recommended vendors list. I'm happy to support your venture and if you want me to add your link to my vendor list just give me the go ahead and I'll add it.
Cheers and I'll update with an actual review when I've had a chance to use the product
Snoopish
Hey Snoopish :)
Thank you! And yes please, you may add me to your vendor list.
Looking forward to hearing how you like the actual gear - we're very proud of it :)
BG
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So my 10 gram pack showed up after almost 60 days. Perfect stealth packaging, even if opened no one would have any idea.
Needless to say, the girl and I LOVE GHB. Sex is incredible.
Glad you got the replacement!
And so happy you and your lady are enjoying :) There's truly nothing better for sex IMHO...
BG
We're SO happy that she asked me to get more. She doesn't care how I get it, as long as we can still play with it once a month. She is SO intolerant to alcohol, but she fucking LOVES GHB.
I'll be placing another order soon!
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can anyone comment on combining GHB with ketamine? is it a big no-no?
It is a big no-no. Do not combine.
BG
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I will post a huuuuuuge review soon, as I believe I may have just won the lottery :)
You have most definitely won the lottery!!!
BG
Hurrah! Haha, one last question.
Ever since that, "Would you plug a friend?" thread I've got to say, I've kind of been addicted :P
So now I've tried plugging mostly every other recreational drug I've had since then and I'm wondering, can you plug GHB? I'm sure you COULD theoretically but really I guess I'm asking..
Would it be uncomfortable?
Would it come up faster/hit harder?
Would it require less?
Just curious, as always :P
Hey TK (and everyone)
Apologies, I've been off the forums for a while - had some important stuff to deal with IRL...
This is a great first question to come back to! :)
And fuck I don't know the answer! I'm sure one could, and it would probably work well - small amount of warm water, smooth slippery syringe - sounding enticing already ;)
TK, I think you just volunteered to be the one to do the experiment and report back! Probably it will be more active so start with a smaller dose than usual.
We eagerly await your write-up...
Love
BG
Yeah not a lot of information on plugging GHB and I'm a plugger of most everything myself. The biggest concern for me would be starting at a low dose and working up real slow. With substances like MDMA I know how a plugged dose varies from an oral dose but with GHB it could be a whole different world. Studies rate the oral bio-availability of GHB to be anywhere from 25% to 65% which means if plugging increases the bio-availability to near 100% like it does for many drugs, the safest starting point would be 25% of a normal dose. As weird as it is, since the side effects of an OD on GHB can be passing out and possibly throwing up, so you might want to elicit a sitter for this little experiment just in case you end up on your back pretty quick.
Not trying to scare you at all. If I had some left I would try it myself. Just want to make sure you are alive and able to come back and tell us how it goes.
Thanks for the detailed input.
BG
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So my 10 gram pack showed up after almost 60 days. Perfect stealth packaging, even if opened no one would have any idea.
Needless to say, the girl and I LOVE GHB. Sex is incredible.
Glad you got the replacement!
And so happy you and your lady are enjoying :) There's truly nothing better for sex IMHO...
BG
We're SO happy that she asked me to get more. She doesn't care how I get it, as long as we can still play with it once a month. She is SO intolerant to alcohol, but she fucking LOVES GHB.
I'll be placing another order soon!
Awesome!
Once a week not so bad neither ;)
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Just ordered a 25g pack to Canada. I assume it won't be here in 2 weeks time so I can combine it with the mdma that I and my two favorite ladies are planning to take, but heres hoping ;-)
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BG, since you've been SO helpful with GHB...can you give me a similar rundown of your Moxy? I'm off to erowid until I see your post :)
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I arrived my package today, the winnings of the BG lottery!
I've got to say, BG, you are a genius. Stealth is so... inventive. I wanted to grab you're PGP key first thing this morning and just rant and rant and rant about how awesome the packaging is, but I'm sure you know *big hug* To say as little as possible and still get my point across, stealth is excellent and I have no doubt that it would get to it's destination, and would fit in very well with ebay/amazon purchases. Perfect.
Well I was so happy to get my package today, I thought I would be waiting a few weeks longer. But it looks like BG overshoots his delivery times to be extra safe, because this landed way before he quoted me :)
Product was OVERWEIGHT haha I couldn't believe it! Like I said this was practically free, and BG still went to the point of giving me extra... He's too sweet. Really a very nice vendor, intelligent (answered about a billion and one questions via PM and was happy to do so) and collected (other vendor bashing his product/business. Responded quickly informatively and honestly, without losing his cool) he is definitely informed and has researched his products extensively.
Responded within 12 hours of every question I asked, when provided with a question he could not immediately answer he was honest, and told me he would look into it. Sure enough, 12 hours later, there was my response, communication is 6/5
As for the product... well. I have agreed to do a sort of "trip report" regarding a specific ROA. So I will have that all written up when the time comes, but as a control test I was planning on taking some tonight with my hubby (Male 280lbs Female 150lb) in 0.25g capsules I have made in advance to help does accurately.
This could be copy/pasted to a review thread (by me) if one exists BG? And also wondering when the next day I should expect tolerance to be completely gone by would be? Probably about a week I was thinking but I want to report to be as accurate as possible.
Thanks all and I can't wait to write up a report this evening
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Finally got a chance to experiment with some of BG's GHB. 0 previous experience with it, and have to say it's quite interesting but not very overwhelming.
I started out with 3.0g right off the bat, downed it pretty quick. After a little bit, i felt really good / happy, but nothing really crazy at all. Smoked some weed and that helped a bit, but i just felt unsatisfied, like i wanted more. i felt like i needed a beer or more G/other drugs. I can really see how people can overdo it because i just had general cravings of anything lol. It seemed to wear off after about an hour and a half or so. then re-dosed another 2g, but didn't feel a whole lot.
does that sound normal? do i need to do more? is G just simply not a strong drug? perhaps my expectations were too high...btw, i'm 160lb male and experienced with lots of other drugs... MDMA, MDA, mushrooms, LSD, changa, coke, liquor, weed.
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Hey all, so I'm back with a review of BG's GHB:
I thought it was great, high quality GHB. Product gives that salty, GHB taste and dissolves quick and easy--I got 800mg easily dissolved in about 2/3 a shot glass of water. I had a couple beers (not great harm reduction but I spaced it out a bit) and did the first 800 followed by another 400mg after about 20 minutes or so and got to a pretty good spot. I got to feeling really nice and warm not too long after the second dose and my hands were good and toasty (maybe a weird effect to enjoy but I love it). Further, it just had me feeling good and relaxed and I was really enjoying my friends' company. I had been up quite a while by the time I took this and we were watching a movie that I wanted to finish so I didn't want to push my dose any higher and risk getting too drowsy but I feel comfortable in vouching for the cleanliness and quality of BG's product.
Unlike other dose times when I have started to get in the 1g+ range (I've taken 1.6g and been pretty floored of other GHB) I have experienced dizziness and nausea. Despite the other drugs I'd taken that evening I did not experience either of those effects (getting up for my second dose did have me feeling a little off balance in a fun way though).
I don't feel this is especially descriptive but I hope it paints a starting picture. It may be a few days before I have another opportunity to enjoy this lovely drug so I will likely post another experience then.
Until then, thanks to BG for providing a superb product and keep at it! :D
Cheers,
Snoopish
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*****NOTE: DISCLAIMER - I'VE NEVER DONE GHB BEFORE I HAVE NO IDEA HOW IT IS SUPPOSED TO EFFECT ME*****
Female 150lbs - TK
Male 280lbs - "J"
0:00 Taken GHB in a glass of room temperature water, 0.5g for TK and 1.0g for J. I'm feeling kind of dirty from running around all day so I want to jump into the shower. We both take our starting doses and I announce I'm going to shower, J comes with me for "my own safety." (LOL)
0:30 Feeling something, not quite intoxicated. Going to watch TV for another half hour and redose accordingly. Ate a reasonble sized dinner at approx -0:30 so thinking it may take a minute to hit me. Talked to a friend on TorChat for awhile waiting for the clock.
1:00 J takes 1.5g TK takes 1.0g
Not feeling much of anything from the initial dose, eagerly swalled 1.0g in capsules and J took 1.0g in capsules and 0.5g in cold water. J has prepared 1.0g in another glass of water aswell, but is waiting another half hour to take it. Feeling mildly uninhibited, feeling maybe more open than before. Weird behind the eye pressure (not unlike THC) causing my eyes to drift around the room. Slight headache aswell but that could just be me over analyzing myself. Going to continue on watching tv, probably smoke some cannabis in the next half hour, will decide on redosing in another half hour. Feeling maybe a bit more relaxed than normal, nothing as extreme as to leave me sensless and easily rape-able :P
1:30 TK takes 1.0g J takes 1.0g
Feeling a bit of of intoxication now, clear headed and happy but not quite euphoric. Me and my partner are happily chatting and laughing about the TV show we were previously uninvested in. Less desire in typing/chatting or posting online, more inclined to think introspectively, but not as intensely or abruptly as ketamine. Happily reflecting on myself. J seems to be the same, still playing a game online. He asks me to come sit with him, so we are snuggling on our couch now.
2:15 TK takes 1.0g J takes 2.0g By this point it is established I like to drink it and J rather take the capsules.
Not feeling over intoxicated, just sensual and relaxed. While snuggling I get excited very easily and start playing with J, he is reluctant at first but soon gets very excited aswell, much more than normal. He says this is the first real effect he's felt of the GHB so far. We have sex quickly and animalistically and we finish just in time to dose again (2:05-2:10). J says he is hungry and make naan crackers with tzadsziki. J says he has to work early tomorrow morning and will likely redose one or two more times. I am more likely to dose more throughout the night so I go more slowly.
About 10 minutes after this dose I start to feel a bit lucid and day dreamy (2:25) and I want to smoke more cannabis but cannot seem to find the jar. (I don't believe this is due to the GHB?)
2:45 J is feeling pretty intoxicated and report his eyes are "tripping straight balls," when he tries to look at something he says his eyes wander. He is trying to write on a website but says he will try again tomorrow. I am having a hard time keeping focus, between looking for the jar, typing the report, dosing some juice to drink, and watching TV. Movement is more deliberate and thought out to avoid unneccesary drain, definitely the product of relaxation and intoxication.
3:00 TK takes 1.0g and J takes 1.0g
Feeling good but not as intense as I thought. The next report I will try plugging instead and see how I am effected but right now I am not overly impressed. Very clean, good feelings being had by all, just not as potent as I thought. This being said I've never tried GHB before, for all I know this could be insanely potent. Going to take a much larger dose before I sleep tonight. This being said I am already starting to get sleepy. Can already sense that my updates will be shorter and will make less sense then before (Less sense then now? Hmm interesting)
3:30 TK takes 1.0g orally and 0.5g rectally. J takes 1.0g orally and says he will sleep soon.
Feeling sleepy, I feel like this would be perfect for the end of a stim high like MDMA or cocaine. Meth would also be quite enjoyable mixed with this substance. Syringes are kind of big to be able to fit so much GHB, wish I WAS high so I was a bit more excitable at this point, maybe a bit wetter :P
5:00 J fell asleep, TK has been gradually plugging more and more GHB, about 2.0g
I don't think GHB is very bioavailable rectally or something, because I'm not feeling much effect from this. Oh well, will try again on another day, starting with a much larger starting dose. The product seems to be good, I am just getting very sleep and need to put my hubby to bed. We had sex again and afterwords I fell asleep for at least 3 minutes in a state of deep relaxation. It would seem this substance is best paired with sex or stimulants.
Thanks BG, I will do my best to do a write up (although I found it very difficult to write) for an exclusively plugged GHB experience
*****NOTE: DISCLAIMER - I'VE NEVER DONE GHB BEFORE I HAVE NO IDEA HOW IT IS SUPPOSED TO EFFECT ME*****
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I've ordered some g too, never tried it before. Is there a mg per kg table somewhere ? Any recommendations of dosage for someone who weighs 85 kg ?
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Just ordered a 25g pack to Canada. I assume it won't be here in 2 weeks time so I can combine it with the mdma that I and my two favorite ladies are planning to take, but heres hoping ;-)
It might just :)
Although the average is 2-3 weeks, quite a few shipments make it in under 2 weeks.
BG
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BG, since you've been SO helpful with GHB...can you give me a similar rundown of your Moxy? I'm off to erowid until I see your post :)
From our product page:
In addition to our core GHB product, here is another little treat for you, and one which combines beautifully with GHB in fact :)
A fine creation of the illustrious Dr. Alexander Shulgin, 5-MeO-MIPT (5-methoxy-N-methyl-N-isopropyltryptamine) is one of the very rare Tryptamines that is both a Psychedelic (ala LSD, Mescaline, DMT) and an Entactogen (ala MDMA, 2C-B, MDE).
Chemically, it is a small adjustment (replacing a methyl with an isopropyl group) on the more well-known 5-MeO-DMT, which is found in the venom of the toad Bufo Alvarius and in the resin of the Virola calophylla tree - both used as traditional Shamanic medicines in the Brazilian Amazon.
This replacement of the methyl group with an isopropyl group makes this substance orally active at low doses without needing an MAOI, and also makes the experience less psychedelic and more heart-opening, tactile and pleasurable.
Moxy is an excellent aphrodisiac and sexual enhancer. It is definitely psychedelic at higher doses, but comes on through the body, opening the lungs and creating a deep emotional and tactile fullness. It improves sexual function, increases desire and profoundly enhances mental eroticism, emotional openness and tactile sensitivity.
While it is not the same as empathogens like MDMA, it can be used in a similar way and in similar circumstances. It requires more participation than traditional empathogens and does not “push” you into an opened state. Rather it allows choice on how to feel and act while providing a similar heart-strength. And it creates a more natural, intelligent and coherent euphoria, with a clear mind-space and good energy. Communication is easy.
Moxy works best when it is participated with – through breathing, moving, stretching, dancing and fucking. Any form of light touch or massage will also invigorate and expand Moxy’s activity. Being gently stimulating, it combines well with relaxants such as alcohol (just a little), GHB and 2C-C.
It is also a full Tryptamine with all the associated richness, opulence, class and depth of this family of compounds. Larger doses will definitely provide a deep psychedelic space and will readily open all kinds of doors. But it always maintains the heart and has exquisite balance, so deep states are easily handled and integrated.
Body-load is minimal to non-existent. The experience ends clean without much of a tail, and there is no post-trip downer.
As 5-MeO-MIPT is very potent it, requires very accurate, precise and properly calibrated scales to weigh it safely. This is why we have bulked it up 110:1 with L-Arginine (with a dash of beetroot powder to create a fetching pink colour!) and packed it in Size 1 vegetable cellulose capsules. The L-Arginine is also a vasodilator which works to balance out the mild vasoconstricting effects of nearly all psychedelics - and will allow blood to flow strongly to those organs it needs to flow to ;)
Material identity confirmed by GC-MS and NMR (and of course, bio-assay by me personally). Minimum purity assay of 99.5% by HPLC.
Dosage and Duration:
1-3 capsules, 4-6 hours.
One capsule: Kiss you…
Two capsules: Love you…
Three capsules: Spank you…
Enjoy!
Any specific questions, just ask :)
BG
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I arrived my package today, the winnings of the BG lottery!
I've got to say, BG, you are a genius. Stealth is so... inventive. I wanted to grab you're PGP key first thing this morning and just rant and rant and rant about how awesome the packaging is, but I'm sure you know *big hug* To say as little as possible and still get my point across, stealth is excellent and I have no doubt that it would get to it's destination, and would fit in very well with ebay/amazon purchases. Perfect.
Well I was so happy to get my package today, I thought I would be waiting a few weeks longer. But it looks like BG overshoots his delivery times to be extra safe, because this landed way before he quoted me :)
Product was OVERWEIGHT haha I couldn't believe it! Like I said this was practically free, and BG still went to the point of giving me extra... He's too sweet. Really a very nice vendor, intelligent (answered about a billion and one questions via PM and was happy to do so) and collected (other vendor bashing his product/business. Responded quickly informatively and honestly, without losing his cool) he is definitely informed and has researched his products extensively.
Responded within 12 hours of every question I asked, when provided with a question he could not immediately answer he was honest, and told me he would look into it. Sure enough, 12 hours later, there was my response, communication is 6/5
As for the product... well. I have agreed to do a sort of "trip report" regarding a specific ROA. So I will have that all written up when the time comes, but as a control test I was planning on taking some tonight with my hubby (Male 280lbs Female 150lb) in 0.25g capsules I have made in advance to help does accurately.
This could be copy/pasted to a review thread (by me) if one exists BG? And also wondering when the next day I should expect tolerance to be completely gone by would be? Probably about a week I was thinking but I want to report to be as accurate as possible.
Thanks all and I can't wait to write up a report this evening
You're most welcome TK!
And thank you for your very kind words :)
Our review thread is here: http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=110447
BG
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Finally got a chance to experiment with some of BG's GHB. 0 previous experience with it, and have to say it's quite interesting but not very overwhelming.
I started out with 3.0g right off the bat, downed it pretty quick. After a little bit, i felt really good / happy, but nothing really crazy at all. Smoked some weed and that helped a bit, but i just felt unsatisfied, like i wanted more. i felt like i needed a beer or more G/other drugs. I can really see how people can overdo it because i just had general cravings of anything lol. It seemed to wear off after about an hour and a half or so. then re-dosed another 2g, but didn't feel a whole lot.
does that sound normal? do i need to do more? is G just simply not a strong drug? perhaps my expectations were too high...btw, i'm 160lb male and experienced with lots of other drugs... MDMA, MDA, mushrooms, LSD, changa, coke, liquor, weed.
A GHB hardhead I see!
There's a good (albeit somewhat conservative) dosing tutorial on page 2 of this thread. I suggest experiment more. If you're kinda in the zone, but it's a bit light for you then feel free to push the dose. Just know that if you push it too far it will drop you. But if you can maintain the zone prior to being dropped you will be having a lot of fun :)
BTW I personally find GHB more euphoric without Cannabis.
And if you could have channeled that craving in the direction of your lover then it would all make sense. GHB best experienced with another ;)
BG
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Hey all, so I'm back with a review of BG's GHB:
I thought it was great, high quality GHB. Product gives that salty, GHB taste and dissolves quick and easy--I got 800mg easily dissolved in about 2/3 a shot glass of water. I had a couple beers (not great harm reduction but I spaced it out a bit) and did the first 800 followed by another 400mg after about 20 minutes or so and got to a pretty good spot. I got to feeling really nice and warm not too long after the second dose and my hands were good and toasty (maybe a weird effect to enjoy but I love it). Further, it just had me feeling good and relaxed and I was really enjoying my friends' company. I had been up quite a while by the time I took this and we were watching a movie that I wanted to finish so I didn't want to push my dose any higher and risk getting too drowsy but I feel comfortable in vouching for the cleanliness and quality of BG's product.
Unlike other dose times when I have started to get in the 1g+ range (I've taken 1.6g and been pretty floored of other GHB) I have experienced dizziness and nausea. Despite the other drugs I'd taken that evening I did not experience either of those effects (getting up for my second dose did have me feeling a little off balance in a fun way though).
I don't feel this is especially descriptive but I hope it paints a starting picture. It may be a few days before I have another opportunity to enjoy this lovely drug so I will likely post another experience then.
Until then, thanks to BG for providing a superb product and keep at it! :D
Cheers,
Snoopish
You're welcome :)
Much more pleasure without the alcohol in your system though - it's not just a harm reduction thing. The alcohol dulls the GHB euphoria...
Looking forward to your further feedback - and thanks for taking the time to review.
BG
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*****NOTE: DISCLAIMER - I'VE NEVER DONE GHB BEFORE I HAVE NO IDEA HOW IT IS SUPPOSED TO EFFECT ME*****
Female 150lbs - TK
Male 280lbs - "J"
0:00 Taken GHB in a glass of room temperature water, 0.5g for TK and 1.0g for J. I'm feeling kind of dirty from running around all day so I want to jump into the shower. We both take our starting doses and I announce I'm going to shower, J comes with me for "my own safety." (LOL)
0:30 Feeling something, not quite intoxicated. Going to watch TV for another half hour and redose accordingly. Ate a reasonble sized dinner at approx -0:30 so thinking it may take a minute to hit me. Talked to a friend on TorChat for awhile waiting for the clock.
1:00 J takes 1.5g TK takes 1.0g
Not feeling much of anything from the initial dose, eagerly swalled 1.0g in capsules and J took 1.0g in capsules and 0.5g in cold water. J has prepared 1.0g in another glass of water aswell, but is waiting another half hour to take it. Feeling mildly uninhibited, feeling maybe more open than before. Weird behind the eye pressure (not unlike THC) causing my eyes to drift around the room. Slight headache aswell but that could just be me over analyzing myself. Going to continue on watching tv, probably smoke some cannabis in the next half hour, will decide on redosing in another half hour. Feeling maybe a bit more relaxed than normal, nothing as extreme as to leave me sensless and easily rape-able :P
1:30 TK takes 1.0g J takes 1.0g
Feeling a bit of of intoxication now, clear headed and happy but not quite euphoric. Me and my partner are happily chatting and laughing about the TV show we were previously uninvested in. Less desire in typing/chatting or posting online, more inclined to think introspectively, but not as intensely or abruptly as ketamine. Happily reflecting on myself. J seems to be the same, still playing a game online. He asks me to come sit with him, so we are snuggling on our couch now.
2:15 TK takes 1.0g J takes 2.0g By this point it is established I like to drink it and J rather take the capsules.
Not feeling over intoxicated, just sensual and relaxed. While snuggling I get excited very easily and start playing with J, he is reluctant at first but soon gets very excited aswell, much more than normal. He says this is the first real effect he's felt of the GHB so far. We have sex quickly and animalistically and we finish just in time to dose again (2:05-2:10). J says he is hungry and make naan crackers with tzadsziki. J says he has to work early tomorrow morning and will likely redose one or two more times. I am more likely to dose more throughout the night so I go more slowly.
About 10 minutes after this dose I start to feel a bit lucid and day dreamy (2:25) and I want to smoke more cannabis but cannot seem to find the jar. (I don't believe this is due to the GHB?)
2:45 J is feeling pretty intoxicated and report his eyes are "tripping straight balls," when he tries to look at something he says his eyes wander. He is trying to write on a website but says he will try again tomorrow. I am having a hard time keeping focus, between looking for the jar, typing the report, dosing some juice to drink, and watching TV. Movement is more deliberate and thought out to avoid unneccesary drain, definitely the product of relaxation and intoxication.
3:00 TK takes 1.0g and J takes 1.0g
Feeling good but not as intense as I thought. The next report I will try plugging instead and see how I am effected but right now I am not overly impressed. Very clean, good feelings being had by all, just not as potent as I thought. This being said I've never tried GHB before, for all I know this could be insanely potent. Going to take a much larger dose before I sleep tonight. This being said I am already starting to get sleepy. Can already sense that my updates will be shorter and will make less sense then before (Less sense then now? Hmm interesting)
3:30 TK takes 1.0g orally and 0.5g rectally. J takes 1.0g orally and says he will sleep soon.
Feeling sleepy, I feel like this would be perfect for the end of a stim high like MDMA or cocaine. Meth would also be quite enjoyable mixed with this substance. Syringes are kind of big to be able to fit so much GHB, wish I WAS high so I was a bit more excitable at this point, maybe a bit wetter :P
5:00 J fell asleep, TK has been gradually plugging more and more GHB, about 2.0g
I don't think GHB is very bioavailable rectally or something, because I'm not feeling much effect from this. Oh well, will try again on another day, starting with a much larger starting dose. The product seems to be good, I am just getting very sleep and need to put my hubby to bed. We had sex again and afterwords I fell asleep for at least 3 minutes in a state of deep relaxation. It would seem this substance is best paired with sex or stimulants.
Thanks BG, I will do my best to do a write up (although I found it very difficult to write) for an exclusively plugged GHB experience
*****NOTE: DISCLAIMER - I'VE NEVER DONE GHB BEFORE I HAVE NO IDEA HOW IT IS SUPPOSED TO EFFECT ME*****
Great write-up TK!
Play with it some more and try different dosing protocols.
One way is larger dose upfront (2-3g and you'll know all about it), another way is smaller doses more frequently. What you were doing was good I think. If you changed your 30 minute intervals to 25 minutes for example you would have had a stronger effect.
You're totally correct - sex and stimulants (particularly coke) are the best pairings. Also goes very well with the entactogens - 2C-B, Moxy etc
Try it without Cannabis as well for comparison...
And thanks for doing the plugging experiment!
BG
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I've ordered some g too, never tried it before. Is there a mg per kg table somewhere ? Any recommendations of dosage for someone who weighs 85 kg ?
Here is the dosage tutorial again - was originally posted in this thread earlier. As you're a bit heavier than me take a little more. Knowing how to dose GHB comes from experimentation and experience.
BG
GHB: ART OF DOSING TUTORIAL
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In order to fully enjoy the depth and subtlety of the euphoria that GHB can facilitate, careful attention needs to be give to understanding it’s dosing dynamics.
Probably more than any other drug, how it is used (dosage size and spacing), has a radical effect on the experience.
Those who have taken the time to understand how to dose GHB, recognize it as one of the most glorious drug-induced experiences on the planet.
So to begin:
Firstly, this thread is dealing with Na-GHB (the sodium salt) and all values given are for this. K-GHB (the potassium salt) is approximately 13% weaker, gram for gram, than Na-GHB, so 1g of Na-GHB is the equivalent of 1.13g K-GHB, i.e. you need a bit more K-GHB to get the same buzz.
Even accounting for body weight, ladies seem to require less GHB than gents in order to get the same effect. I have no idea why this is so, but experience seems to indicate such. How much exactly is hard to say and probably varies from person to person, put work on about 15% - 25% difference, i.e. if you weigh the same (let’s hope not!) and you (as a man) take two grams then she’s going to want 1.5g – 1.7g to be in the same zone.
And it is good to account for body weight too. Someone weighing twice as much as someone else will generally require twice as much GHB (maybe a little less) for the same experience.
Knowing these basics, they key to the whole thing is calibration, especially if you have more than one person and you’d all like to feel kinda the same. So if you each start with a gram, and one person gets it quicker and stronger then you know to decrease their dose slightly on the next dose.
In general GHB is more pleasurable to build up slowly (in the same way one would use alcohol), rather than taking a large single dose and getting in there properly, as one would want to do with MDMA.
That being said, it can also be pleasurable to take a larger single dose (2g – 2.5g depending on your weight) especially after MDMA if one wants to kick the MDMA euphoria back in properly. As always, experiment cautiously and progressively and build up experience with the drug.
Our packages are supplied with a 2ml measuring spoon. When level and lightly shaken (i.e. the GHB not compressed in it), it measures out about 0.75g – 1.25g. I do suggest though, if you’re wanting to be scientific, to calibrate the spoon with your own scale.
In my experience this is a good standard “per dose” benchmark and one that I personally use.
GHB is active from about 0.5g upwards, 3g is around the maximum for a single dose (this will be pretty strong), but one could easily go though 5g - 6g in an evening of merriment and re-dosing. In terms of toxicity I have personally tested 10g in a single dose to ascertain safety, and while it knocked me out cold in about 15 minutes and I woke up vomiting, I was otherwise fine. This is mentioned for reference only and I do not recommend going anywhere near this.
The protocol I have found to be most pleasurable is to dose small amounts progressively. I am a 160 pound male and I normally take about 1g every 30 minutes until I am in the zone and then I level off (by perhaps taking about half that to maintain). That gram is normally taken in a wine glass of water (preferably spring or filtered). Sometimes I’ll throw it back, sometimes I’ll savour it over a few minutes. If I’m already strongly on, then I might sip that glass slowly over 20-25 minutes just to maintain the level that I’m at.
So here at some options to play with in terms of a dosing protocol:
1g every 25 – 35 minutes up to 3g – 4g total.
1.5g every 40 - 50 minutes up to 3g – 4g total.
2g every 55 – 65 minutes up to 3g – 4g in total
These would be appropriate to my body weight (and my personal taste), and are given as examples only, but could be used as a basis for your own experimentation. Personally I like to get pretty wasted when I take GHB ☺ just because it’s so nice, and that would be about 3g – 4g for me. If was in a lighter kind of social situation, or dancing, or just hanging out then I might take a little less (up to 2g max) in order to be more functional. As always I would be calibrating and adjusting the dose as I proceed.
It’s really something that can be dosed much like how we drink alcohol. Have a little, see how you feel, and have some more later if you need some more…
In terms of using it with other drugs the following guidelines apply:
Never take with other depressants, as has already been stated repeatedly. However, if you choose to break the rules (I never do) then know that there will be profound synergy and potentiation, so dosages should be radically lowererd.
GHB combines very well with all stimulants – coke, speed, meth, caffeine etc. You will be able to push the doses a bit higher and still function. Normally if you take too much GHB you will simply start passing out and falling asleep. Stimulants allow you to go closer to the edge and still maintain conscious – which can be very pleasurable. Once again take time to get to know GHB before you start pushing that edge.
When combining with psychedelics, empathogens and entactogens (all of which cocktail beautifully) dosages are generally neutral (not higher or lower). In general GHB works better after the other drugs rather than before, for example it is excellent post MDMA, but seems to interfere (for me anyway) with the MDMA rush if taken before hand. In my experience I also tend to favour a slightly larger dose (1.5g - 2g) when taken after MDMA as it seems to re-invigorate the rush better this way.
Some people enjoy GHB with Cannabis a lot, for it’s not my personal favourite, as I find the GHB euphoria to be lessened somewhat for me - and I also generally prefer my Ganja unblended with anything else.
GHB can essentially be re-dosed for many hours (if that is your choice) without tolerance building. Dosage just needs to be a maintained at a level that does not go too high. For example 1g sipped over the course of an hour can be repeated all night for a continual mellow buzz.
If GHB is used for inducing sleep then it is recommended to take less than what is required, as if too much is taken (3g+) it will induce deep sleep quite quickly but then there may be a tendency to awaken about 4 hours later when the GHB wears off. Better to take a lower dose (1g – 2g) to cause some relaxation which can assist you to fall asleep rather than force it. Then the tendency to awaken later will be lessened.
As a clinical anti-depressant I suggest 0.5g – 1g in a single dose, two to three times per day. Ideally it should be just below (or just on) threshold.
Altogether, if some time is taken getting to know GHB , and conservative experimentation is engaged, then you will come to understand its overall dynamics as a drug. And with understanding comes the ability to use it intelligently. When used in this way it is one of the most useful chemical tools on the planet –broad in scope and able to reach deep into states of openness, catharsis and ecstasy– while also being one of the most benign drugs in existence
Enjoy! I have been taking carefully measured doses as I write this to ensure that I’m communicating accurately - currently on 3.5g and having a whale of a time! ☺
I wish you all extreme pleasure with this wonderful substance, and Great Golden Copulations!
BlueGiraffe
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Thank you very much BG for this ^^^
I'm nowhere near as knowledgeable on this stuff as you are, but after some research, it seems that you can develop an addiction (because of its action on Gaba and dopamine receptors). I've read reports of dependence and withdrawals. What do you think ?
ps: here's a thread on GHB pharmacology: http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=95019
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Also, I came across this post on GHB potential neurotoxicity and how to prevent it:
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/611634-Protecting-against-GHB-neurotoxicity
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Thank you very much BG for this ^^^
I'm nowhere near as knowledgeable on this stuff as you are, but after some research, it seems that you can develop an addiction (because of its action on Gaba and dopamine receptors). I've read reports of dependence and withdrawals. What do you think ?
ps: here's a thread on GHB pharmacology: http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=95019
Thanks, there's some OK stuff in that thread, but it's not thrilling...
If you are determined, then yes, you can create dependence on GHB and subsequent withdrawal. In fact somewhere earlier in this thread is a solid address to this point and some links to further information.
It would normally require months of daily GHB usage to create that situation. And I would of course recommend NOT using GHB this way. It will cause problems.
However, occasional responsible recreational use - once or twice a month to once or twice a week is not going to create any problems of that nature in my experience.
BG
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Also, I came across this post on GHB potential neurotoxicity and how to prevent it:
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/611634-Protecting-against-GHB-neurotoxicity
Very interesting post - thanks you :)
I did read an excerpt of it recently so good to see the whole one.
It's true that no studies have shown any neurotoxicty in humans. And that study in rats is very interesting - showing greater toxicity at lower doses. Very curious, especially as GHB is an endogenous neurochemical...
My instinct, being particular careful with my brain, is that GHB is cool. Still, taking precautions as suggested in that thread is a good idea.
We've produced a potassium GHB before but I found it slightly less euphoric (even accounting for it being 13% weaker due to relative weight of the K and Na ions), and it's a really dodgy crystal to work with - much more hygroscopic than Na-GHB.
I have asked our chemist to look into making a Na/K combined GHB (shh don't tell anyone yet!) so that may be in the pipeline soon :)
BG
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Thanks for the info on the Moxy! Much appreciated!
Also, my reship showed up today?! BOTH packs you sent me showed up eventually, the second one 6 weeks after you said you reshipped. Just goes to show that BG is a fucking incredible vendor with amazing stealth and customer service. I seriously wish other vendors had this level of commitment and dedication to their product and customers.
You can count on me to be a lifetime customer because of your work, thank you.
Again, me and the girl LOVE GHB. Thank you so much.
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His stealth is something else, eh awesome?
+1 for BlueGiraffe being a stand up vendor and all around fantastic person. Hopefully our paths cross one day, brother! There's plenty of good conversation to be had. :)
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Blue Giraffe I feel bad because my trip report didn't seem to do the product much justice... I haven't tried it again yet but I gave it to a friend of mine that is familiar with GHB (only liquid he says) and he claims it was the strongest he's ever had. Embarrassingly enough I gave him some to allow him to go at his own pace and, well, he G-holed himself pretty fast. I felt obligated to draw a penis on his face. I don't feel bad about that though :)
I also made a solution of 10ml/0.50G to help dose out faster and easier
I know you've probably answered this a few (dozen) times already but how much GHB is soluble in 1ml of water? (so I can plug it easier, nobody likes dribbles down the leg)
Thanks BG
TK
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Just ordered a 25g pack to Canada. I assume it won't be here in 2 weeks time so I can combine it with the mdma that I and my two favorite ladies are planning to take, but heres hoping ;-)
It might just :)
Although the average is 2-3 weeks, quite a few shipments make it in under 2 weeks.
BG
Wow! I have to say I'm blow away by BG's efficiency. 8 days from order to my hands in Canada. Incredible! Also fantastic stealth, really genius.
Will update once I've had a chance to try it out.
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Thanks for the info on the Moxy! Much appreciated!
Also, my reship showed up today?! BOTH packs you sent me showed up eventually, the second one 6 weeks after you said you reshipped. Just goes to show that BG is a fucking incredible vendor with amazing stealth and customer service. I seriously wish other vendors had this level of commitment and dedication to their product and customers.
You can count on me to be a lifetime customer because of your work, thank you.
Again, me and the girl LOVE GHB. Thank you so much.
Thanks bro! And I will happily be of service to you for a lifetime :)
BG
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the ghb is really lovely! my only complaint is that we didn't buy more... the experience was very mellow because we took caution with dosing. i look forward to trying a higher dose next time.
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His stealth is something else, eh awesome?
+1 for BlueGiraffe being a stand up vendor and all around fantastic person. Hopefully our paths cross one day, brother! There's plenty of good conversation to be had. :)
Thank you (bow).
Yes indeed my friend - good conversation to be had. In all reality we may have to have it right here - as none of really exist IRL of course ;)
BG
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Blue Giraffe I feel bad because my trip report didn't seem to do the product much justice... I haven't tried it again yet but I gave it to a friend of mine that is familiar with GHB (only liquid he says) and he claims it was the strongest he's ever had. Embarrassingly enough I gave him some to allow him to go at his own pace and, well, he G-holed himself pretty fast. I felt obligated to draw a penis on his face. I don't feel bad about that though :)
I also made a solution of 10ml/0.50G to help dose out faster and easier
I know you've probably answered this a few (dozen) times already but how much GHB is soluble in 1ml of water? (so I can plug it easier, nobody likes dribbles down the leg)
Thanks BG
TK
Hey TK,
Thought your trip report was great :)
And glad your friend provided some corroboration... (Totally agree with the penis on the face - he had it coming!)
Regarding supersaturating water with GHB, I think you might be able to get 1g into 1ml - but that's prob close to the limit. I've not tried to be honest. Suggest experiment by continuing to add GHB gram by gram to a known volume of water and see how far you get.
Still would like further feedback on how that delivery route works - very intriguing :)
BG
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the ghb is really lovely! my only complaint is that we didn't buy more... the experience was very mellow because we took caution with dosing. i look forward to trying a higher dose next time.
It's always good to start slow like you did to get a feel for it first. Then when you crank it :) you'll have a better sense of where you're going...
BG
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His stealth is something else, eh awesome?
+1 for BlueGiraffe being a stand up vendor and all around fantastic person. Hopefully our paths cross one day, brother! There's plenty of good conversation to be had. :)
Thank you (bow).
Yes indeed my friend - good conversation to be had. In all reality we may have to have it right here - as none of really exist IRL of course ;)
BG
This is true, we're all just figments of one another's imagination! ;)
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Thanks,
BG
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=D please bring it!
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I'm back all. Been a little bit but I'm popping in to give another update on how BG's product has been treating me.
I had another solid setup about a week back. T:00--1g, T:30--.5g, T:30-T2:15--2g
By :45 I was feeling pretty relaxed and loose(effects kicked in before this but more mild and subtle). Over the course of a dinner with some friends I drank from a 2g solution that kept me feeling sociable, warm, and in a mild chill state throughout (I ate light but of course the effects of the GHB were heavily inhibited). Despite the food, I was pleased with the state I was able to keep myself at over the course of the event.
The structure of my usage hasn't been as methodical as I like but it's been some lousy weeks and GHB is a drug I really seem to only be inclined towards if I have a certain "mood" to take. I intend to save a good portion of product (at least 5g) to use for a more thorough review in regards to how much I need to take at one point to get where. Overall, the product has been very forgiving and treats me great. Very little in the way of dizziness or nausea or discomforts in anyway up to this point.
Thanks again BG
Cheers,
Snoopish
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Just finished reading the whole thread, and must say it's really informativ!
For a long time I've wanted to try GHB, so I have to admit beeing a bit dissepointed when I learned that GHB and benzo's shouldn't be mixed. The reason I'm dissepointed is I'm dependant on diazepam (Valium) for quite some years now, and theres no way I can stop taking it for several days without going to Wd, so I guess I'll never get to try it :p
Really happy I read this thread before plasing an order though,as I don't want to risk my life just to try out a drug :)
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I'm back all. Been a little bit but I'm popping in to give another update on how BG's product has been treating me.
I had another solid setup about a week back. T:00--1g, T:30--.5g, T:30-T2:15--2g
By :45 I was feeling pretty relaxed and loose(effects kicked in before this but more mild and subtle). Over the course of a dinner with some friends I drank from a 2g solution that kept me feeling sociable, warm, and in a mild chill state throughout (I ate light but of course the effects of the GHB were heavily inhibited). Despite the food, I was pleased with the state I was able to keep myself at over the course of the event.
The structure of my usage hasn't been as methodical as I like but it's been some lousy weeks and GHB is a drug I really seem to only be inclined towards if I have a certain "mood" to take. I intend to save a good portion of product (at least 5g) to use for a more thorough review in regards to how much I need to take at one point to get where. Overall, the product has been very forgiving and treats me great. Very little in the way of dizziness or nausea or discomforts in anyway up to this point.
Thanks again BG
Cheers,
Snoopish
Thanks Snoopish :)
BG
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Just finished reading the whole thread, and must say it's really informativ!
For a long time I've wanted to try GHB, so I have to admit beeing a bit dissepointed when I learned that GHB and benzo's shouldn't be mixed. The reason I'm dissepointed is I'm dependant on diazepam (Valium) for quite some years now, and theres no way I can stop taking it for several days without going to Wd, so I guess I'll never get to try it :p
Really happy I read this thread before plasing an order though,as I don't want to risk my life just to try out a drug :)
We'll, you're dependent on diazepam now but this is something you can change. Any drug can be titrated and stopped - it just requires a process that has to be done methodically and with extreme care.
I'm not saying this because I want you to buy GHB, but because being dependent on anything is not so nice...
BG
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I've got a 25g order on it's way.
I've skimmed this thread and I have to say, BG thank you for all you do!
Second, I'm curious on the possibility of dosing in capsule form... I've been thinking of places I could test out some GHB and a few I didn't see dosing in water as being over easy... I tried to find more info in this thread on it, either it hasn't been asked or I was a dweeb and missed it. If I missed it, my apologies.
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I've got a large order on the way the BlueGiraffe went out of his way to make happen, thank you so much! Now that I have more to play with I think I'll really be able to nail down the dosing schedule as this thread describes. Thanks again for promoting harm reduction!
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Just received a trial order of GB´s GBL for our new range of weekend kits we will be offering.
Just tried some now.
AMAZING STUFF.
Highly recommended.
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can you snort the powder for a quicker effect or is that a stupid idea?
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can you snort the powder for a quicker effect or is that a stupid idea?
not the expert but i remember reading somewhere that ghb isn't really snort friendly because of the (relatively) larger amounts to feel anything
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mschen is correct. GHB is active at much higher dosages (1g+) so snorting it typically isn't the easiest or wisest routes of administration. Oral ingestion is definitely the best method and friendliest method.
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i posted a few trip reports with ghb. weighing at around 63 kilos, it took 1.5g for me to feel anything. i found my sweet spot at a 2g dose but could handle a 2.5g as well. it's relatively fast acting orally and doesn't taste bad
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I've got a 25g order on it's way.
I've skimmed this thread and I have to say, BG thank you for all you do!
Second, I'm curious on the possibility of dosing in capsule form... I've been thinking of places I could test out some GHB and a few I didn't see dosing in water as being over easy... I tried to find more info in this thread on it, either it hasn't been asked or I was a dweeb and missed it. If I missed it, my apologies.
You can put GHB in capsules, but as it is hygroscopic you will start getting some moisture absorption after a couple of days. If you capsulize and store in a sealed container with a silica gel desiccant it will be OK for a while.
BG
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Just received a trial order of GB´s GBL for our new range of weekend kits we will be offering.
Just tried some now.
AMAZING STUFF.
Highly recommended.
Glad you're enjoying our gear ACE! And it's a pleasure working with a professional such as yourself :)
A small correction... it's GHB not GBL we dealing with. GBL is one of the precursors used in GHB manufacture. Some people do use it straight, but it's nasty stuff - so I just wanted to make that clarification lest anyone gets confused...
And I love what you're doing with your kits. TB just sent me the link to your first GHB and hash kit which I think is totally awesome!!
For everyone here, I HIGHLY recommend checking out the The Scurvy Crew's listings: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/9de2239028
BG
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Is the GHB from BlueGiraffe hygroscopic? If so how should I store the product to ensure I dont lose any of it?
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man, i havent had some really good liquid GHB in a little over a year. the best stuff i had was from a local hook-up, i use to get it in a redline bottle. it tasted a little like it had some baking soda in it kind of taste, 2 caps and i was fuuuuucked up.... cocaine and ghb are good combo, id rather do 2 caps of G, with cocaine vs drinking alcohol all night ... ghb and coke makes me horny as fuck. ahhh the good ol days.
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I have read the threads, but I must have missed what the pills are? 3 mg moxy? Is this not the GHB? Something all together different? And is it the same, no no with benzo's and alcohol?
Also quickly, do you have to be all scientific about how you mix the GHB? Or can you just drop say a gram in a shot glass of OJ?
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Is the GHB from BlueGiraffe hygroscopic? If so how should I store the product to ensure I dont lose any of it?
All GHB powder is somewhat hygroscopic - though ours is dried very well before shipping. If you keep it in a sealed glass or plastic container it's totally fine. Room temperature not refrigerated.
BG
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man, i havent had some really good liquid GHB in a little over a year. the best stuff i had was from a local hook-up, i use to get it in a redline bottle. it tasted a little like it had some baking soda in it kind of taste, 2 caps and i was fuuuuucked up.... cocaine and ghb are good combo, id rather do 2 caps of G, with cocaine vs drinking alcohol all night ... ghb and coke makes me horny as fuck. ahhh the good ol days.
The good ol days never went away :)
If you've not had pharma-grade GHB powder then you owe yourself. Smoother, sweeter, and altogether more delicious than liquid GHB.
Agree that GHB and coke is a marriage made in heaven!
It's all available - just ask and we will bring ;)
BG
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Hello BG,
My body is very sensitive to adderall and amphetamine. I can get a lot done while on these substances. But even a little amount like 20-30mg taken before 10 AM would keep me awake until 3-4 AM through the night and that makes things bit difficult for next day. That's why I don't use those substances much.
Do you think I can use GHB as a sleep aid or to offset the amphetamine effect?
Thanks in advance!
Short answer: Yes. Totally :)
BG
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I have read the threads, but I must have missed what the pills are? 3 mg moxy? Is this not the GHB? Something all together different? And is it the same, no no with benzo's and alcohol?
Also quickly, do you have to be all scientific about how you mix the GHB? Or can you just drop say a gram in a shot glass of OJ?
Moxy is 5-MeO-MIPT, a tryptamine entactogen - detail here: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/item/cab018c433
Fine (and nice actually) to mix with benzos, alcohol and other CNS depressants :)
You can just drop a gram of GHB in glass of OJ - will be fine. But knowing when to take the 2nd (and 3rd) glass is worth the taking the time to understand
BG
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Hey GSE,
1g in 200ml is good - and is about the ratio that I use personally when I drink GHB.
BG
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Today was the first day that we were ranked in the Top 10% of vendors on Silk Road.
It feels like our birthday and it is all due to your amazing support!
As an acknowledgement and a thank you to all of you - until midnight UTC April 7th, all GHB orders from 50g to 500g (with the relevant code) will receive an additional 50% free product added to their order. Simply place the code BLISSEDOUTBLUEGIRAFFEPOD in the address field and we'll take care of the rest :)
Love to you all...
BG
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Hi BG,
I was wondering if you have any suggestion about concentration of GHB in water? What would be ideal amount of power to mix in what amount of water?
Is 1g good in 200ml of water? Or is it too concentrated?
Thanks,
GSE
I have found any amount of water to work, GSE. When I've used GHB, I've bought those little 8oz water bottles, filled one with 2g and chugged it within a 5-10 minute period. After an hour, I then filled a 16oz water bottle with 2g and sipped on it over a two hour period which brought me to a perfect level. Do note that everyone's mileage varies and each person is completely different in terms of sensitivity, so try to get a feel for how an initial dose effects you. If you're doing this purely for sleep, I would think 1-2g would be ideal. My method is meant for coming down off trips and rolls.
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Thanks, AV. I was testing the product to see how it impacts me and what way. I see the good potential of this as a nice come down from trips/rolls as you mentioned. I think calibration is the key and I need to do that.
I think your method of using those little/big bottles is a good one. I use those bottles too. But I do have the measuring jars and scale and try to make it precise when I am trying something new. Last night I felt the concentration bit higher and will try about 230ml per gram next time and see how it goes.
You are right that the mileage varies from person to person and that's why we all need to do our due diligence.
Nah, I am going to blame BG for any mishap for selling this drug to me :)
Hope you are on your way to a fabulous weekend time.
My best wishes to you.
GSE
BG has sold me on GHB as a comedown aide. I used to use benzos almost exclusively, but once I tried GHB after a thorough discourse between BG and myself, I fell in love with it. I enjoy the social intoxication that it guides you into, and it is perfect for deep reflection if you're in a social setting with friends. It really puts a great cap to an evening, especially when you are a combination fiend such as myself.
I hope you have a good weekend as well, brother! Unfortunately I won't be doing any tripping this weekend. I am going to allow for a nice 2 week tolerance break before I dive into sampling jor's liquid. I want to ensure that I'm completely at baseline so I can experience the beauty fully without reserve. :)
Happy trails!
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Is the GHB from BlueGiraffe hygroscopic? If so how should I store the product to ensure I dont lose any of it?
All GHB powder is somewhat hygroscopic - though ours is dried very well before shipping. If you keep it in a sealed glass or plastic container it's totally fine. Room temperature not refrigerated.
BG
Does keeping it sealed in an airtight ziploc bag count? would that work?
And another question, I was reading in your FAQ on page one that you should wait at least 48 hours in between dosing, so does that mean its a bad idea to use as a sleep aid every nite?
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Ziploc bag will be fine.
As a sleep aid every night its fine, as generally you're using a lot less than when you are partying.
BG
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I have question about dosing. You wrote in the art of dosage the following:
"1g every 25 – 35 minutes up to 3g – 4g total.
1.5g every 40 - 50 minutes up to 3g – 4g total.
2g every 55 – 65 minutes up to 3g – 4g in total"
Do you mean 3-4g as an overall total dose per session (evening/night), or a max per dose/re-dose. In other words, when I (re-)dose do not take more than 3-4g per dose, or do you mean, if a take a dose of 1.5g and the next dose of 1g, then the next re-dose should not be more than 0.5-1g, making a total of 3-3.5g for the night?
Sorry, perhaps obvious for you, but I am a newby as far as GHB is concerned.
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Thanks goodshitexplorer! Absolutely clear to me now. :)
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How does GHB help people with narcolepsy? Isnt narcolepsy mean people fall asleep during the day..? How would taking a CNS depressant the night before help someone stay awake.
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How does GHB help people with narcolepsy? Isnt narcolepsy mean people fall asleep during the day..? How would taking a CNS depressant the night before help someone stay awake.
I'm guessing because in allowing the individual to sleep the night before, the body's need to sleep randomly during the day is decreased. This is a treatment for narcolepsy, not a cure. BG, care to elaborate? This is only a guess based off of my knowledge of the drug, BG probably knows a lot more :)
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If the only reason is to let patients sleep well the night before, then why not use heavy (but safer) sedatives such as zopiclone, ambien, xanax or barbiturates?
I'm prescribed 2mg xanax at nite and I still need to take methylphenidate to keep me up and concentrating, even though the effects of the xanax wear off by the morning..
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Of all the drugs you mentioned, it is only GHB that causes proper, natural sleep - all 5 stages (NREM 1-4 and REM) in sequence, proper REM when it's meant to happen etc etc. This is GHB's unique quality and is what gives it its core functionality in treating narcolepsy (there's more to it obviously but that's the simple explanation).
And a reminder, only 3 days left for the BLISSEDOUTBLUEGIRAFFEPOD party. Get your orders in now if you want to join :)
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I always thought GHB was similiar to alcohol..
How come when I tried GHB last(potassium ghb) I woke up feeling so hungover ?
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how come it makes me so dizzy?
I dosed about 3.5-4 MG every 4 hours just like the medication guide says for Xyrem. I last dosed roughly 3 and a half hours ago yet I'm so dizzy I cant get out of my bed without feeling very nauseous
I hope my Sodium GHB comes already Blue Giraffe this Potassium shit is making me sick :(
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Advice required, my long-necked azure friend.
I've tried the GHB three times now, never, sadly, to good effect.
Naturally, I started off a little conservative. I think I tried about 1.5g, another 1g at T+1 hour, another .5 g a half hour after that. The second time was a bit more aggressive. The last time was 2.5g at T-0, followed by another 2.0g at T+1 and maybe 1g after that.
The best effect so far has been a very short-lived hint of euphoria (but who knows, maybe placebo effect); otherwise drowsiness. What am I doing wrong? Am I still under-dosing, or do I need to consider GHB, like DMT, a difficult-to-master substance with precise requirements (here dose rather than temp)? Could this be cross-tolerance with something else? These three attempts were themselves spaced out across a few weeks.
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Whoops. Ah, NEVERMIND. I didn't want to leave that post without followup given the subsequent couple of hours.
Using my new digital scale, I see that I had, in fact, been dosing a little more than half of what I thought I was. Trying again tonight with a verified 3.5g (2 to start, then 1.5) I am doing much, much better. Will probably toss another 1g log on this fire and be toasty for the evening. Very nice. :)
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how come it makes me so dizzy?
I dosed about 3.5-4 MG every 4 hours just like the medication guide says for Xyrem. I last dosed roughly 3 and a half hours ago yet I'm so dizzy I cant get out of my bed without feeling very nauseous
I hope my Sodium GHB comes already Blue Giraffe this Potassium shit is making me sick :(
As I do not know the source of your GHB it is hard for me to say. Not all GHB's are created equal, and it's possible that the one you're taking is not high quality. GHB should not create ANY hangover symptoms.
BG
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Whoops. Ah, NEVERMIND. I didn't want to leave that post without followup given the subsequent couple of hours.
Using my new digital scale, I see that I had, in fact, been dosing a little more than half of what I thought I was. Trying again tonight with a verified 3.5g (2 to start, then 1.5) I am doing much, much better. Will probably toss another 1g log on this fire and be toasty for the evening. Very nice. :)
Happy to hear it's working out for you ;)
* Art of Dosing Tutorial: http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=90582.msg717324;topicseen#msg717324 if you want some more info...
BG
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which has a stronger disinhibiting effect: ketamine or ghb?
if GHB, is the level of disinhibition dependant on the amount of GHB consumed? or is it the same level past threshold point?
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I've never really felt the urge to try GHB.
I guess all the horror stories of blow outs and comas kind of turned me off.
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I love love love BG's GHB. I just won the lotto and i'm one happy towel!
I used it a couple weeks ago at the end of a roll (2.5g) and it was perfect. It also comes in very handy as a nighttime sleep aid with no residual effect. 3.5 g at once and I'm out like a light.
Fantastic product sent by a great vendor.
Thanks BG
Viva Silk Road, Viva BlueGiraffe!
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which has a stronger disinhibiting effect: ketamine or ghb?
if GHB, is the level of disinhibition dependant on the amount of GHB consumed? or is it the same level past threshold point?
I think GHB definitely has a stronger disinhibiting effect, londonlondon. Ketamine is disinhibiting, but after a certain point it doesn't matter how disinhibited you are...you're just gonna be laying there. Granted, with GHB you'll eventually just fall asleep but at the right dose (which is not hard to arrive at if you're sipping on it) you're almost as disinhibited as you would be on, say, MDMA yet very very capable of having an incredible sexytime. I am a fan of ketamine as well, but if you're going for disinhibition, I think GHB is the ticket.
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I'm interested in BG's GHB as a post-MDMA enhancer/gentle comedown. I was wondering what y'alls opinions might be on this: I have not drank alcohol at all but 3 times in the last 4 years. I feel like I have good reason not to drink. I like to experiment with new things and I am trying to take a responsible approach to using the MDMA i've acquired here on the road. So far so good, I'm not trying to roll more than once a month. I think GHB works differently on the brain than alcohol but still a brings on 'drunk' effect. I was wondering if I should expect the same negative results from GHB that I got from alcohol?
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I'm interested in BG's GHB as a post-MDMA enhancer/gentle comedown. I was wondering what y'alls opinions might be on this: I have not drank alcohol at all but 3 times in the last 4 years. I feel like I have good reason not to drink. I like to experiment with new things and I am trying to take a responsible approach to using the MDMA i've acquired here on the road. So far so good, I'm not trying to roll more than once a month. I think GHB works differently on the brain than alcohol but still a brings on 'drunk' effect. I was wondering if I should expect the same negative results from GHB that I got from alcohol?
BG's GHB is the shit for MDMA comedown. I have found 2.5g for my body size (fat) to be perfect. It's like a nice, fluffy, erotic pillow that lowers me back to baseline. After I've achieved baseline i swallow another 1.5 then it's off to bed.
GHB on its own offers all of the social lubricating effects without the nausea, bad breath, and vomiting that can come from alcohol. As a matter of fact i would prefer it over alcohol in almost any social situation.
I love the stuff and it was a great day when BG started vending here.
So do yourself a favor: buy the 25g, don't combine the G with alcohol or any downers, read the dosing guide and enjoy it.
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Hi BG, I know there has been some info about this spread through different threads, but I was wondering what you recommendation is for dosage when taking GHB with Moxy. Thanks!
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BG is it true you might be carrying mescaline soon?
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Just want to to say that if anybody is having doubts about ordering from BG you have nothing to worry about! I placed an order with him and am completely satisfied. His shipping may not have been the fastest but he makes up for it in every other way! He is in the top 9% of vendors and has a perfect 100.0% feedback. I think that should say enough. And when you see his stealth you're gona laugh, because even if customs opened the package, they wouldnt even give it a second glance. Very professional BG :)
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Hi!
I have never tried GHB, GBL or any of the other "GHB"-ish drugs around, and I don't know much about them. So I wonder - how much should I take, if it's evening and I want to sleep nice and deep? Also, how potent is it? Does it work even if I'm not tired at all when taking it? I have a good scale and soon (I hope) 50g of bluegiraffes powder-GHB.
Is the best way to mix with water and drink? (except for IV ofc)
Should I store it in some particular way, e.g. away from sunlight, to prevent it from loosing potency?
Best wishes
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Also (just to make sure) - as long as I keep alcohol, painkillers and bensos at a safe distance and don't take very high doses, the risk of me dying should be pretty low? Low to medium dose of GHB - have people (that aren't sick) died from that?
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I have read the threads, but I must have missed what the pills are? 3 mg moxy? Is this not the GHB? Something all together different? And is it the same, no no with benzo's and alcohol?
Also quickly, do you have to be all scientific about how you mix the GHB? Or can you just drop say a gram in a shot glass of OJ?
Moxy is 5-MeO-MIPT, a tryptamine entactogen - detail here: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/item/cab018c433
Fine (and nice actually) to mix with benzos, alcohol and other CNS depressants :)
You can just drop a gram of GHB in glass of OJ - will be fine. But knowing when to take the 2nd (and 3rd) glass is worth the taking the time to understand
BG
Just a quick question, are you saying mixing opiates or heroin with 5-MeO-MIPT is not potentially dangerous?Enjoyable?
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Haha, I won the damn lottery! ;D
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/item/09ab6fba52
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if i was to have a dosage of a gram or so in the morning and it didnt put me to sleep in the day do ppl know if a good sleep that night will still come about or is it usually got a timeframe for use before beddy byes?
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if i was to have a dosage of a gram or so in the morning and it didnt put me to sleep in the day do ppl know if a good sleep that night will still come about or is it usually got a timeframe for use before beddy byes?
I have never tried ghb myself, but I don't believe it would work. It has short half life and you will probably need a refill.
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Hi!
I have never tried GHB, GBL or any of the other "GHB"-ish drugs around, and I don't know much about them. So I wonder - how much should I take, if it's evening and I want to sleep nice and deep? Also, how potent is it? Does it work even if I'm not tired at all when taking it? I have a good scale and soon (I hope) 50g of bluegiraffes powder-GHB.
Is the best way to mix with water and drink? (except for IV ofc)
Should I store it in some particular way, e.g. away from sunlight, to prevent it from loosing potency?
Best wishes
congratulations from one lotto winner to another!
To answer your question, yes, it will work even if you are not tired, it is as potent as G can be and it is perfectly fine to just mix with water and drink. I don't know about IV but I don't imagine that would be advisable.
For me dosing is as follows:
1.5g for daytime use. Gives a nice alcoholy buzz while maintaining good functionality. lasts about 2hrs for me.
2.5g for nighttime after work relaxation. after an hour or so I will drop another 1-1.5g and that usually puts me out.
I also use the 2.5g increment for coming down off MDMA or other stims as it works beautifully.
I store mine in an airtight container in a freezer. I noticed that after a few days even double bagged with a couple desiccant packs there would be moisture in the baggie.
I think i should mention that I went a little overboard last night. I started with my usual nighttime dose and proceeded to add 1g about a half hour later and a spoonful (maybe 1.5) about an hour after that. After the spoonful it was a fight and I mean a fight to stay awake. However that only lasted for maybe an hour before I started to pull out of it.
So take it easy at first until you find a dose that you're comfortable with and enjoy!
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Also let me tell you that 5-meo-mipt (3-6mg) combined with GHB (1g about every 45 minutes) is pure bliss, I gave up using MDMA because of that nice combo, it is much more clearer enjoyable and doesn't feel dirty + there is no hangover whatsoever. I'm always looking for that perfect high (high/hangover ratio) and this combination is closest I've come. Strongly recommend.
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Hi BG, I know there has been some info about this spread through different threads, but I was wondering what you recommendation is for dosage when taking GHB with Moxy. Thanks!
Hi jackxblack :)
Apologies for the delay responding - have not bee on the forums for some time...
Dosing for GHB can remain the same as recommended generally but you may be able to take a little more as Moxy is mildly stimulating. For Moxy itself, and when combining with GHB I find it also works best (if you're looking for maximal empathogenic effect) to take it progressively, perhaps a 3mg capsule every hour or two. If you want a stronger psychedelic experience then take 2-3 caps at once.
BG
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if i were to take ghb at a 3-day festival, can i take it all 3 days without hangover or anything? will that be dangerous?
im a male, 6' 2'', 254lb how much should I take? and how long would one dose last for?
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Also (just to make sure) - as long as I keep alcohol, painkillers and bensos at a safe distance and don't take very high doses, the risk of me dying should be pretty low? Low to medium dose of GHB - have people (that aren't sick) died from that?
It's pretty hard to die from GHB alone, usually people just go in a deep unrousable sleep. There are risks of vomiting while in that state though, but all in all it's a lot less risky than passing out from drinking too much. If you really take a lot then it can be dangerous though. But medium doses won't kill you if you don't mix it with alcohol and benzos and whatnot.
You should look up the erowid page on GHB for more information, it's really detailed.
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Hello
I've noticed everyone takes powder GHB dissolved in water or other drink. Why is this and what happens if one just eats the powder dry?
Thanks!
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Hello
I've noticed everyone takes powder GHB dissolved in water or other drink. Why is this and what happens if one just eats the powder dry?
Thanks!
You *can* eat the powder dry, but that would be kinda weird since it would probably not taste great in powder form. It's easier if you just dissolve it in water or a drink and take it like that. Plus, you can titrate your dose better that way by taking sips. Or you can take it like shot and drink the whole thing all at once I guess. Why would you want to just eat powder vs drinking it?
I've heard of people putting it in capsules and taking it that way successfully as well.
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You claim that GHB can be taken daily multiple times as an antidepressant.
You sell ghb powder way overpriced. And you do know nothing about how bad it is for you frontal lobe and basal ganglia.
People who take ghb every day will become fucked up pretty quick.
You claimed that the old virmo sold bad ghb and did not want to help out with a good synthesis because you don't know how to make it.
You also claimed that selling 99,99% gbl is bad. And you should warn your customers. You are a real businessman. Selling and telling crap about your products and sell it for a lot of money.
I should warn your customers to not believe what you say. If you wonder why some customers do not reply or buy anymore it is because they are in a clinic and detoxing from ghb is really terrible.
Go ahead and give me bad karma. Better to have bad karma and to be open and honest than to be a real businessman and ripping off your customers and selling crap information and not helping out other vendors and let them sell badly synthesized ghb because you are afraid of losing money because another vendor sells the same stuff for half or a quarter of the price you ask for your products...
You claim your product is cleaner than the people producing Xyrem. These people produce all sorts of medication and it is what they do for a living everyday. They studied for it. You claim to know more than psychiatrists and people from the pharmacy who produce Xyrem and make the cleanest liquid there is only for people who have to detox from GHB which is really dangerous. People can become psychotic and die if they quit taking their everyday 2 hour GHB dose.
Go fuck yourself.
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It's strange that you quote Timothy Leary. Then again.. he claimed lsd was the answer to everything and many people got totally fucked up and killed themselves or others because of seeing him as a guru.
Quite like you ;)
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Nice display of vendor professionalism there, virmo. BlueGiraffe is easily one of the most knowledgeable, helpful, and all around genuine vendors here on the Road, and you come to his thread as a fellow vendor (a competing one at that, you too sell GHB...) to simply bash him, and on what basis? Your claims are largely unsubstantiated. Provide sources. Be succinct and thorough in your criticisms instead of telling him to "go fuck [himself]." You've flat out given me and everyone else that reads that post a reason as to why we shouldn't purchase from you. No vendor should ever act in such a manner. Keep it objective and positive in both your discussions and criticisms.
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While I don't agree completely with the reasoning, I do agree with the end conclusion Animus reached: your post did you more harm than BG, Virmo. You used quite a few words, and said so very, very little. I don't think there's a single objective fact in your entire post, actually...
Pardon me, I should say a substantiated objective fact.
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Reference: go ask any psychiatrist or look in crisis center with people having to take ghb every 2 hours in order to stay normal. Or ask people who are addicted to ghb and take it everyday. Or look at people who take ghb everyday for longer than a few weeks.
My reference is based on reality. His reference is based on some alternative form of psychiatry that is not used as far as I know.
I am not saying that alternative forms of psychiatry are always bad at all. But how many people do you know that use ghb in below threshold as an antidepressant? Most people abuse it.
I am against the current way of psychiatrists prescribing all sorts of hard drugs claiming that these are not drugs but medicine. I am also against how BG talks about how special and good his GHB is. He does not want to share information about producing the powder. He gets it from somebody else who knows how to make it. And producing some grams of ghb powder is definitely not worth so much as he is asking.
He is a genuine and helpful businessman. Just like how genuine it is to buy a pc for 800 dollars too much while you can get a better one for less. People who sell pc's, or whatever are very helpful in selling overpriced stuff and acting like it's the best suited for them.
You can say whatever and give bad karma. This only means you are ignorant about how businessman act.
Do you not know Timothy Leary and what actually happened? I think of him as a cool guy, not a guru. At least he gave his product away for $1 instead of SR people claiming it's 140ug while it's actually an RC or 50ug or something like that.
Have you not read the "big fish" topic? Big fish are allowed on SR. Big fish sell a lot and are "helpful" because they want to sell their stuff ofcourse. Small fish are not welcome on SR while they might sell the best there is. Go check gotmilk. He sells and scams, but he sells a lot. His valium is not actually 10mg and it's usually overdated. He sais he ships them in blisters and then don't. He probably gets his stuff from a pharm that gives him products that people give back to destroy because it's old or they don;t need them anymore.
You have to ask a lot of money for your products, cut products with crap and say it's the best. We think that it's better to ask just a little more in order to get new stuff. Instead of ripping people off, asking 10-100 times what a product is worth. GB pays almost nothing for his powder and sells it for $100. Gotmilk might actually get his stuff for free. One pill of valium is not worth $1+. Shipping does not cost 0.07 BTC or whatever. If you actually pay to get genuine 5mg valiums you pay about $5 for about 50 pills.
It's people like you who make us raise our prices. Because it looks better that way. We can tell you exactly what is in our pills and how to store it. Not helpful huh?
We sell exactly what we describe and people like it. It's hard to get 100% true products unless you know some corrupt people who are real drug dealers and drug dealers on SR as far as we know claim to sell the best there is but when you actually test it it is far from what is described.
The only reason to not get our GHB right now is because we are not 100% sure about if the synthesis is 100% right. You may only say that I'm talking bullshit if you actually send his stuff to a professional lab instead of simply believing what he sais. It is better than Xyrem? It might be more potent but that does not mean it is more "healthy" for you. Abusing GHB is too easy, unless you have to pay the absurd prices GB asks. Getting GBL or GABA in bulk is really cheap. Getting lab equipment is a one time investment. Getting the right recipe requires some time and searching. 10 grams costs almost nothing to make. And shipment in stealth is not that hard if you only spend your time dealing drugs.
Your -1 karma will make us sell Amnezia Haze for $14 or something while it costs us far less. Just because high prices make it look better. LSD for $10+ for "140ug" while it costs $0.50 is insane. Selling E for $10+ is also insane. One pill costs 10-25 cents. Ok dealing on SR is taking more risk if you don't know how to properly do so. Which costs more.
You people are willing to pay 1000% or more of what a product is worth including shipment. Just because of a 50% refund if it does not arrive. Then people say: it did not arrive but we got a refund or reship. Yeah really amazing. We can do that as well if you prefer that and make the product look more genuine. And now we will because we are annoyed by the big fish thing. We can then claim to have shipped while we did not and give a refund or "free" reship. Or ask to FE for bulk and then not ship and still get 5/5 feedback and look genuine.
We feel really sorry for people spending so much money on BG's oh so special and better than pharm grade powder. He does not know how to make it. He simply believes his buddy. His buddy is better than all pharms who produce nt only Xyrem but all sorts of drugs for a living. Xyrem is prescribed for free to addicts who need to detox.
Go look at GHB addicts and talk to psychiatrists and then tell me I'm wrong again. What is so special about the powder being more potent? It is also more expensive. Xyrem is not as disgusting as a lot of GHB that is sold on SR. And definitely not made in aluminium pans while claiming 5ml contains 1 gram while hiding the fact that it will kill you pretty soon if you abuse it. And trust me, those people are not on SR anymore because they are either dead, psychotic or stay away from SR drugs.
We have not bought from GB yet but perhaps we will. Then we will send it to a lab and laugh if it contains poisonous by-products. But we laugh anyways because the prices are insane. Xyrem is expensive and not prescribed for a reason. GB claims it can be taken three times a day and actually thinks people will do so, for perhaps an antidepressant effect. Sorry, but you build up tolerance just as for valium. Valium can "cure" social anxiety, depression, whatever. Except if you take whatever amount everyday just below recreational dosage, you will definitely get addicted after 2 weeks and your body will ask for more and you will detox while still using it. Except unless you take 40-80mg's of REAL valium then you will simply die if you quit at once because of the rebound effect on your body. GHB is MUCH worse. Even being an alcoholic is less bad for your health and mind than GHB.
Selling GHB just is easy to make a lot of money. Just like everything else on SR. Depending on what country you live in and the people you know. 1 vial of 5ml ghb can be $1 or 2, or 15. Or free. Just like very high quality lsd. Production costs are low.
Real genuine and helpful people do not sell drugs and cut them and say they are the best or better than pharm grade. it's because it costs a lot of money. Otherwise we could buy overpriced stuff from vendors, take it to a lab and post the facts on this forum. A lot of vendors will sell a lot less then. Or not, because people on SR don't seem to care about their health. We will also not care so much anymore. If people are too lazy to test their products and ingest whatever poison besides drugs already mostly being poison then why should we bother?
GB actually claiming that his powder is the best and better than pharm grade liquid without more than one real reference is silly. We could sell coke, heroin, ketamine, ghb, weed, lsd and every drug and claim it works as an antidepressant since every drug works on serotonine, dopamine etc.
Did you study psychiatry, work in a lab? Produce meds/drugs? Or at least psychology?
If no, then you just do not know what you are talking about. We are honest about not having the right synthesis for GHB and therefore prefer not to sell it. We genuinly asked for help from GB and he was not willing to answer because we could become competition. We want people to get high grade non poisoned stuff with fake products. We help people with info. And you whine about references. Go upgrade your knowledge and then talk again or be ignorant and just shut up and waste your money on SR, taking risks you might not even comprehend, or do.
We will turn into a vendor selling top notch crap for a lot of money if you prefer that. This is becoming more and more clear and this is the reason the old vendor team quit and went back on the streets. You get not only what you ask for, even better if they are nice people but then they warn you to be careful. Or you get not valiums in blisters that might be fake or the date has been cut off, they give you the boxes they are in with all the details you can get. There are also big and small fish. Big fish rip you off, but not with $98 but with 2 bucks or something.
We are done with this crap. Try taking sub-threshold doses of GB's powder if you really have a extreme depression and are prone to addiction. Good luck detoxing because you will fail and will fuck up your brains however non poisonous GB's special powder might be for your body. It remains the same for your brain.
I hate the pharmaceutical industry, they also rip people off but for less money. At least antidepressants take 6 months to build up tolerance while changing your personality possibly. GHB will fuck you up so bad within weeks of daily usage. Not only will your fine motorics get fucked up, you can not even sleep without taking ghb in higher and higher doses each 2 hours or perhaps even less. Antidepressants from pharmacies have unknown effects. But people can take them for years and still function with one dose a day. Might be a bit stressful for the liver but GHB is stressful for a lot more.
Good luck trusting "genuine" ripping off vendors like GB. You are not even allowed to know how it;s made therefore you don't know what is in it. That's how helpful he is and the reason I do not order from him. Why would I spend way too much money on a powder form without knowing what is in it? That would just be silly. Then claiming it;s better than pharm grade liquid... Why should I believe that? He does not know how to make it himself so he trusts his buddy and nobody knows him...
Vendors selling ghb with bad metals in them also get good feedback and are well trusted without deserving it.
We only wished to warn you that you should not take ghb as an antidepressant. Just as valium or alcohol or whatever intoxicant/depressant. this got out of hand and for this we are sorry. But we still think GB can go fuck himself. Real life stores at least have to describe what is in their products. Still they rip people off. GB does not describe and rips off. Bad vendor in our eyes and in all the eyes of the really genuine and nice people we know. We think SR should be for good prices for top notch quality. Instead it consists more and more out of scammers asking a lot of money for products that are not as described, they use several accounts and buy some more vendor accounts to rip off more and then disappear and get a new account. Look at HollandOnline, he is DP, then he became stoeprand. HO looks genuine but their products are shit. stoeprand starts out with good quality then starts adding shit to it. DP simply completely ripped people off then reappeared.
This is now about more than GB and now it does not belong here. But why give a shit? All we do is tell the truth. We don't want to look for references on the clearnet. Go life live and experience, test your drugs and start knowing the truth about SR. For Dutch people it's definitely not better. Perhaps that is different in other countries like the USA. We have coffeeshops here and dealers everywhere. We are not just drug dealers with money in their eyes. So risking some time in jail would fuck up our lifes instead of just spending some annoying years in prison in order to start dealing again once out, or bail us out because we became rich by ripping people off with products and/or prices.
We live in the bad sides of the netherlands. Otherwise we could sell lsd on sr 100+ug for real for $1 or less. But you prefer to spend 10+dollars for some weak acid and not know good acid and then think a vendor is genuine. One good acid tab can contain A LOT of ugs and then it hits you in 15 minutes and all you see is fractals or fly through worlds. SR acid makes us feel a bit stoned slightly trippy and costs 100 dollars for 10 tabs of "140ug" aka 50ug which makes 500 which is the really high dose. Shipment would make it $7 for EU but perhaps could be less because lsd can be disguised pretty easy. Odorless, small it's shipped daily out here. So 7 dollars for shipment and 10 tabs for 10 dollars instead of one.
We will become "genuine" instead of genuine as you want. Then we will get + karma instead of -.
SR contains real drug dealers, they rip you off. Genuine vendors are small fish and are told not to be welcome on SR.
So actually SR is to rip ignorant people off which to us seems the opposite of what it was meant for.
Do you really want us to be like BG and then give us + karma? We will flip a coin then one with big fish one with small fish. Big fish means lots of coin for random quality products. Why not.. lots of people on SR seem not to care.
Lots of words with no content. To summarize:
BG sells overpriced product. 100times the actual prize. He sells big quantities for this we respect him but we should warn you that daily GHB sub-threshold doses are also addictive our reference is about every psychiatrists who are also drug dealers and it all depends on the countries what is available where. Drugs are high quality in NL and really amazingly high priced on SR. Also claimed to be really good because they know people in other countries have no real experience or whatever, they have no conscience that tells them that its wrong to rip people off and poison them.
BG does not want to tell what was used to make the product. BG can be compared to any store selling stuff you can easily make yourself except people are too dumb and therefore pay too much. For example: pc's.
SR can be compared to this. Except pc's are pc's and they are advertised as being really good but then often deliver specs which are really low quality. PC's are not hard to build yourself. Just buy a screwdriver, follow directions and voila, safe lots of money.
Be that way, fine.
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Dry GHB is actually a lot harder to make than liquid GHB, bluegiraffe's stuff isn't made a kitchen where he mixes lye and GBL, unlike the liquid stuff you get. BG's GHB is kind of expensive for 25g but it's only a little more than $2 a gram and 100g is pretty cheap, it'd cost less than $5 for a good dose, which is pretty good. Xyrem is of a much higher quality than the liquid GHB you find on the streets, the liquid GHB you find on the streets was never dry in the first in the first place, it's not like they take the powder and dissolve it. In fact, BG's stuff is probably as good as Xyrem.
And your prices are really not that low, your mirtazapine is super expensive for example. And your GHB, well there's maybe 15g in 25mL which makes it only 1.13 times cheaper, (if you add shipping price, his shipping is free) than his 25g listing, per gram, but the quality is most likely not the same, the liquid stuff that has garbage like GBL and GBL's impurities in it, because the wheel cleaner you get is not 99.99% pure. Of course if you want cheaper stuff you just buy it in liquid, but I personally don't mind paying a little more (1.13 times is really not much) for a cleaner powder GHB.
We could sell coke, heroin, ketamine, ghb, weed, lsd and every drug and claim it works as an antidepressant since every drug works on serotonine, dopamine etc.
I agree that GHB shouldn't be used for depression but some people are gonna do that anyways so that's why BG gave some advice. Low doses of GHB aren't neurotoxic though. Taking a gram a day won't cause bad addictions, and I think it's arguable that low doses of GHB have less drawbacks than drugs like effexor, and are much much more effective. People self medicate with alcohol, opiates, speed, etc. I think that GHB is at worst the lesser of two evils (I'm not talking about daily recreational doses). And FYI, ketamine as an antidepressant is a really good option, a low dose every 7 to 10 days being required, read the studies! LSD can also work to cure depression if used in a therapy setting, it has been used in the past with good result and I think it's still used in some cases in Switzerland, MDMA and mescaline have also been used with success.
GHB is a lot better for your health than alcohol too, they don't even compare in terms of ill effects, and a benzo addiction is worse than a GHB addiction. GHB is one of the safest drugs you can use if it's clean, it's not hard on your metabolism at all.
Even being an alcoholic is less bad for your health and mind than GHB.
Yeah, alcohol is definitely better for your liver and brain, sure, it doesn't cause things like... liver cirrhosis ::).
Stop bashing on BG, he's one of the best and most professional vendors on SR, and his stuff isn't so expensive if bought in bulk. By the way, dutch drugs aren't so spectacular, just because weed is legal there and you have good weed doesn't mean you have the best drugs in the world... Dutch speed totally sucks for example.
I agree with some of your posts though, I don't think that selling drugs at 100 times the price you bought it is really fair, and sure if you have a prescription for valium it won't be as expensive, about $25 for 50 pills of 10mg without insurance, but if you want to make money it's not really bad to sell it at $1 a pill, it's actually a pretty low price. It only costs you a few dollars to get high. And gotmilk isn't the most reliable vendor and his things are really not carefully packed but he delivers and I've found he's actually an honest guy. His bad feedback probably comes from the fact that his stuff is badly packed... Sure some of his pills are maybe weak but the prices are okay in my opinion.
Just because high prices make it look better. LSD for $10+ for "140ug" while it costs $0.50 is insane. Selling E for $10+ is also insane. One pill costs 10-25 cents.
What's really bad is people selling crap cocaine for $160 a gram or $35 for one single roxi, and well ,LSD is expensive and also often of a worse quality than advertised but there are good vendors.
we could sell lsd on sr 100+ug for real for $1 or less.
If you could sell real 100mcg tabs for even $4 a tab and they were real you'd definitely have business going after people try it out, it doesn't make it look better to sell it for cheap, people willl just think it's too good to be true at first. They won't want to pay $15 for the same thing if you sell good stuff for $4 or whatever cheaper price.
But you complain about the prices so much and you sell mirtazapine at like 7 times the price of a prescription without insurance! So if you complain so much about the prices maybe you should at least try to change the game like selling your mirtazapine at $1 a pill and your GHB at half the price. Then it'd make sense criticizing other's prices (and I agree with your that some things are really overpriced). But right now, BG's stuff is not much more expensive than your stuff (see above), and he's really pleasant to deal with (I'm not saying you're not but I have no experience with you) and well, your packages are basically insured with BG.
If you can really change the game and sell things much cheaper then by all means, do it.
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Its all supply and demand. the reason vendors charge 10 times the price for drugs here on SR is bec there are ppl who will pay that price. If a different vendor comes out with the same product for a much cheaper price, the other vendors will have to lower their prices to compete with them or wait until vendor runs out of product so that everyone comes running back to them. Its all supply and demand and most vendors do not have an unlimited supply of drugs
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We can not read everything you post anymore tree. Hope for your understanding and hope for people giving bad karma have the guts to say so.
GB does not provide any info on how his powder is made so what the hell do you know about how it is made and not in a a kitchen and blablabla?
We said he claims it is better than Xyrem. Based on a government document he found. We can also claim that based on documents while still selling shit. And how do you know how many grams our ghb has? Cheers for you for letting us know it's less than 1.3grams for 25ml. I tried pure basf which equals 1gram of ghb and my tolerance is high. I pass out at 2-3grams so if I pass out from 15ml than surely the correct math would be that 25 contains 1.13 grams.
I started to like you for being honest but this disappoints me.
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Ok we have read the rest...
We once had access to 400ug tabs for 10 cents. We lost resources because our dream is actually not to be drugdealers. But otherwise we would add correct listings since selling 50ug tabs to people with no experience with it is just ripping them off. they think acid makes you feel stoned, or works after 1 hour. Strong acid works a lot faster, taste has nothing to do with it, even usually bad acid tasted bad but people thing how worse it tasted the purer it is.
Our last deal was 1000 tabs of 140ug for 10 euros each.. that guy was a real fucked up drugdealer who abused his so called powerful pills.. yeah we can take 5 pills and feel a little euphoric.. sure...
We also got some mdma crystals for free.. one fingerdip was so artificially pleasant it was awesome mdma most definitely 83% pure. It felt so clean and old virmos customes loved it but they only bought one gram...But if we list that then it means nothing, people sell mdma qualities that do not even exist. And they win...
We are honestly trying to do honest business. You are right about the mirtazapine but now your location is known, it's NL. otherwise you could not know this.
We are not sure if it's really $1 a tab. But we just get pissed off by big fish vs small fish so we try selling products overpriced to see how that works out. Old virmo team could not do that. Did not feel right. He got lots of bad karma for that and was told to get off SR because small fish are not welcome. So actually you need to ask at least 150% of what is costs you and then offer a 50% refund or free reship and you seem honest and genuine. So thats our new way. And our GHB is cheaper than any domestic GHB and we know some domestic GHB use aluminium pots so I think we do the best we can and we are open about it on the forums. Is that really a bad thing?
I do agree I should not bash on GB anymore.
It's just not true that ghb withdrawal is worse than benzo or alcohol. Ofcourse alchohol can cause liver cirrhosis. Benzo's and as far as we know GHB also stresses the liver.
If you dont believe this. Get addicted to GHB. Use 2 grams every 2 hours and then try to withdraw. You will need a hospital. And benzo's.. it really depends on what kind and how much. As for ours you get what you want. Gotmilk contained less than 10mg. We could take 5 of of them for fun.. well, we can not take 10 of ours... Besides, ours are overdue in the future, not in the past. And we do not put hairs in our products and break them all up and tell you it's a lot more mg's than it is, while actually using overdue products are bad for your health. And come on.. who makes 140mg viagra... 100 is already 50 too much or 75.
But lets make a bash on Virmo_new and other vendors thread. I just wanted to say that GB should go fuck himself for claiming he produces better GHB powder than Xyrem, that it's cleaner. Without ANY info on how it;s made. Do you know how it's made? We had almost dry GHB once using Glassware and... A KITCHEN!
Probably the methanol should be used. GB is lucky he lives in UK so he can get 100% pure ethanol. This country understand people will abuse it so add a little or methanol or water to kill or safe them. Or can he? Is it true there is 100% ethanol in the UK everywhere? Seems perfect for alcoholics. 100% alcohol, yay!
UK must be still left behind then.. Same for them and RC's...
Once again: we know people who were severe alcoholics, benzo heads and ghb heads, and combo's. And trust me, GHB is the worst to come down off. You WILL need Xyrem and benzo's. Then quit with the benzo;s. We think 80mg of valium is too much.. twice too much actually.. and should not be prescribed for longer than 1-2 weeks.
So trust me, it all depends on quantities, qualities and prices. Prices because some people use up all their money on SR... Which causes the need for.. alcohol, available everywhere, hard drug of the planet... and benzo's and ghb.
Somebody complained about references. Where do we see references? We only see claims. Who can prove Gb;s powder is better than Xyrem? Did anybody lab test it? Should we do it?
Who of the people who bought and abused his products and are dead or psychotic will respond here now...? None?
He is not simply giving info on that it can be used as an antidepressant. He claims it can be. Yes, everything can. But GHB is definitely not the best one, neither are benzo's or alcohol or opioids. Sometimes speed actually is because it lessens the need for other drugs.. But only if you have ADHD or ADD. But then youd be stupid to get it off SR. Or perhaps that changed, the prices and quality? If my brain still works then I remember seeing genuinly looking dexedrine for 3 pills for $26. Seems fair. From Canada.
Though I can not imagine that the kids in the USA who get ER ADDerall pay $20 a tab.. must be really rich parents then all over the USA.
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If you pretend to be a bi girl on cyber hippy fests then you get liquid on your hands and make you lick it off. After that you will not feel a bit stoned. Actually smoking weed or drinking does not work anymore. All you see is magic everywhere.
We are from the wrong area so we do not have all those wonderful resources anymore. Though Belgiums outside SR are true about their products.
We wish to share the bless of magic. For free if we could but old virmo got bashed because of it. At least he sold real BASF99,99% and not for insane prices as this jennifers girl.
We agree we ship mostly goods that kill the magic. Though mirtazapine can give you magical dreams.. And effexor is bad, we know. Especially for girls. For guys it can has the advantage of lasting longer if you know what I mean. But coming off it CAN be bad. Others have no problems with it whatsoever. I will ponder upon GHB versus effexor. Effexor is an evil drug that can alter your personality and make you become hooked for life. But GHB is so easy to abuse and people who to hospitals and claiming something as being a psychiatrist while being a businessman is ass logical as apples to tablespoons.
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Last comment I will make on here then I;m out to leave GB alone...
He should not claim to be able to give info as a psychiatrist and clame his products are better than those manufactured by the pharms. We also know pharms ruin the world so we are into alternative treatments.
Best treatment for everyone to cure depression: Drag yourself into sunlight. Order pharm grade fishoil capsules those contain no poisoned fish and high doses which you need. Eat a lot of healthy green food and exercise. If you're ultimately depressed go for a walk for even 5 minutes. Everything is better than nothing. Drugs are not the cure. They might have been since about 100 years since the pharm took over the world and now sr tries to take over pharms? But also then drugs are not the cure. I would love to hear more about the ketamine for depression thing. Problem one: where to get clean ketamine. Problem 2: how to not love it so much as to use it so much you use 10grams in 5 days?
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We can not read everything you post anymore tree. Hope for your understanding and hope for people giving bad karma have the guts to say so.
GB does not provide any info on how his powder is made so what the hell do you know about how it is made and not in a a kitchen and blablabla?
We said he claims it is better than Xyrem. Based on a government document he found. We can also claim that based on documents while still selling shit. And how do you know how many grams our ghb has? Cheers for you for letting us know it's less than 1.3grams for 25ml. I tried pure basf which equals 1gram of ghb and my tolerance is high. I pass out at 2-3grams so if I pass out from 15ml than surely the correct math would be that 25 contains 1.13 grams.
I started to like you for being honest but this disappoints me.
Well sorry if I disappointed you but you were bashing unfairly on BG and I just tried to show you things in an objective way. I didn't say your GHB only had 1.13g of GHB in 25mL. I said your 25mL contained about 15g but that was a guess because you said 5ml was quite strong and quite strong should be 3g for most, so 3g in 5ml = 15g/25mL. It's a guess it may be more or less. What I meant is that BG's stuff is 1.13 times as expensive per gram, for example, if a gram from you costs $1, a gram of BG's GHB will cost $1.13 (the actual numbers are $2.2 for BG and approx $1.9 for you for both your smallest GHB listings). I didn't say it was only 1.13g of GHB, that'd be really low, I said it was probably 15g, but I can't know for sure. I just think it's very likely 15g.
And I'm fairly sure his GHB is pretty pure because it's dry and it's really difficult to make dry GHB as you have to work in an environment without any water, even the moisture in the air is too much for GHB, that's why it's surely purer as it requires way more skill than making liquid GHB, which you can do without being a chemist, and there is an entry on rhodium on how to make dry GHB, I'm pretty sure BG uses a similar technique. Vendor Modoki also sells a (apparently very good) guide on how to make dry GHB.
I'm not saying your stuff is crap or that there's only 1 gram of GHB in a whole bottle but I'm saying that your stuff is a little cheaper, yes, but not that cheap and it's also probably less pure, since it's in liquid form so there can be some GBL left in it, in powder you're sure there's no GBL since GBL is a liquid and you'd see it.
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I said, im out of here. I leave him alone. If his prices are ok then fine. Just please do not underestimate quick tolerance and abuse for GHB even his powder. It is really worse depending on what types of benzo's alcohol etc. you are.
GHB addiction is handled with short term benzo;s and antipsychotics otherwise they die. Benzos are tapered off even though it is hell and alcohol can be dealt with easily with any benzo the problem is its everywhere.. and eventually it will lead to liver cirrhosis.
But bad GHB can kill a lot more than your liver. That is why we are so desperate to get some more decent stuff it's fucking the weekend so we cant order pro stuff and he might die and I am not allowed to take it after today but are expected to manufacture it and sell it... Pff
I am not a tape on loop. Excuse me if GBs powder is really top notch though I should believe people asking me for references while they can give... NONE! Not even GB!
And he should take ghb addiction a bit more serious but perhaps not if his product is really the best powder there is and better than Xyrem.. Although who in his right mind would claim that while being a businessman knowing a scientist buddy..? Anyways apologies for the bashing, we're out. take our knowledge or dont GHB is more dangerous than benzo's seriously or not. Go ask your psychiatrist buddies or your buddies almost died from them and those in clinics ones. This pissed me off and I would like to enjoy myself now for the last day. Thank you and goodbye.
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^Jesus H Christ talk about an uber-melt^
So BG I have a package on my way from you. I hear you talk about how great your powder is and how much better it is than liquid but I don't have a scale and this is by choice. Where I am from Drugs+Scale=Crazy mandatory minimum prison sentences. So is there any reason I couldn't just mix your power with a known amount of water and using ratios and fancy math and such just dose it that way? I mean am I hurting anything by just taking my 25g pack, mixing it 100ml distilled water thus knowing 4ml = 1g so as to dose easier and not have to carry around a scale?
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Well i could tell you from experience that my 25 gram packages from BG were always closer to 26.5 grams..
But in the numbers are so close that in 100 mL i doubt it would make so much of a difference.
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You can use a measuring spoon no?
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You can use a measuring spoon no?
I don't understand the question. How would using a measuring spoon make it so you don't have to dissolve it? I've used liquid GHB many times and I just use a liquid syringe like how they give babies medicine. I was just wondering if by dissolving it in water am I doing it a disservice or is good g just good g regardless of whether it is liquid or powder.
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Sometimes BG is nice enough to include a measuring spoon with the order. the measuring spoon can be used instead of a scale to measure out grams of g. dont quote me on this but i believe the spoon filled up and leveled off is 2 grams of g (somebody please correct me if im wrong, its been awhile since i used the spoon)
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Sometimes BG is nice enough to include a measuring spoon with the order. the measuring spoon can be used instead of a scale to measure out grams of g. dont quote me on this but i believe the spoon filled up and leveled off is 2 grams of g (somebody please correct me if im wrong, its been awhile since i used the spoon)
Interesting. So its just a way to convert volume to weight because the volume of this special spoon will hold exactly a certain weight of the specific material which happens to be ghb?
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Using a spoon isn't very accurate, I tried weighing several level spoonfuls and and was about 1.3 most of the time, if it not compressed, but it can vary between 1.2 and 1.7 because sometimes the GHB will be a little more compressed and also because it's hard to always put exactly as much powder in it every time. I think using the spoon is convenient enough and I don't usually bother with weighing it anymore, you should just know that two spoons can be more than 3 grams and it can be too much for some. I usually fill about 75% of it to make it close to one gram.
A level 2mL spoon isn't as much as two grams though, that'd be a heaping spoon.
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+1 tree, i just tried the sppon a cpl mins ago and had the same experience with that spoon! if you try for the powdry part and avoid the rocks the spoon should come out 1.6 or 1.7 but can be a lil less if the powder is more dense
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So I guess the question I need answered is can I dissolve it all right away without changing potency/effect as long as I store the liquid correctly? And what should I dissolve it in? Just distilled water I suppose?
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You can store it as powder in a small tuperware. I've found that if you compress the powder and wrap it tightly in two bags, it stays dry for a very long time, some moisture gets near the opening of the bad but the GHB stays dry. You can also put it in the freezer to be sure no moisture gets in. I wouldn't store it as a liquid...
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Your FAQ answered my question. Thank you very much. I will be making a purchase shortly if the answer to my next question is positive.
Is it at ALL like alcohol chemically? I hear it makes you seem drunk, but I'm allergic to alcohol. Not deathly so, I just get INCREDIBLY sick and nauseous. I also use heroin--so I'd give 48 hours before a dose--and valium, so maybe even longer than 48 hours after taking that.
I know the feelings are alcohol-esque, hence being an intoxicant, but does it make you feel... like shit? Alcohol causes nausea, and I hear this only causes it, possibly, on the first time.
I'm just worried due to how bad my reaction to alcohol is, but I would love a drug that I can take frequently and is cheap.... this seems perfect.
Thanks!
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quick question about ghb salt. i know that it absorbs water from the environment but how much water does it absorb? i put about 0.5g into a few capsules a while ago and forgot about it. the capsules were more or less left out exposed in the open. when i checked up on it, it looked like like the amount in the capsules shrunk and clumped together. a few of the capsules looked like they were completely filled with a fluid. these are gelcaps so i don't think the fluid is water or else the capsules would melt
is it possible that the ghb i had in these capsules absorbed so much water that they literally turned into a liquid?
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quick question about ghb salt. i know that it absorbs water from the environment but how much water does it absorb? i put about 0.5g into a few capsules a while ago and forgot about it. the capsules were more or less left out exposed in the open. when i checked up on it, it looked like like the amount in the capsules shrunk and clumped together. a few of the capsules looked like they were completely filled with a fluid. these are gelcaps so i don't think the fluid is water or else the capsules would melt
is it possible that the ghb i had in these capsules absorbed so much water that they literally turned into a liquid?
GHB becomes wet in as little as 10 minutes if left in the air. I found that compressing the powder and wrapping it tightly in the bag, then wrap that bag in the other bag it was in, put some silica gel in that bag, put the two bags in a small tuperware boy in which you also but some silica gel it. That has been keeping it dry for a month now for me :) You can also put it in the freezer though. The silica gel is I think optional but I'm fairly sure it helps since the beads became bigger since I put them in (which means they absorbed moisture).
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quick question about ghb salt. i know that it absorbs water from the environment but how much water does it absorb? i put about 0.5g into a few capsules a while ago and forgot about it. the capsules were more or less left out exposed in the open. when i checked up on it, it looked like like the amount in the capsules shrunk and clumped together. a few of the capsules looked like they were completely filled with a fluid. these are gelcaps so i don't think the fluid is water or else the capsules would melt
is it possible that the ghb i had in these capsules absorbed so much water that they literally turned into a liquid?
GHB becomes wet in as little as 10 minutes if left in the air. I found that compressing the powder and wrapping it tightly in the bag, then wrap that bag in the other bag it was in, put some silica gel in that bag, put the two bags in a small tuperware boy in which you also but some silica gel it. That has been keeping it dry for a month now for me :) You can also put it in the freezer though. The silica gel is I think optional but I'm fairly sure it helps since the beads became bigger since I put them in (which means they absorbed moisture).
YES. Silica bags ARE ESSENTIAL if you wanna keep the damn GHB powder dry lol. Like seriously. Also the freezer is a great idea. I'll definitely be storing my GHB better next time.
Suggestion to BG: Do you think you could sell silica bags also? They are incredibly helpful in keeping the powder dry and it would be convenient to just order it all in one place :)
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Or simply add silica gel with the listing? That would seem the best idea IMHO. It's not expensive stuff at all.
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silica gel seems like an awesome idea to help keep the moisture down!
Altho i wouldnt freak out about storing GHB without silica gel..
I've kept mine stored in 2 airtight ziploc bags (one inside the other) and its worked fine for me and I've been storing it that way for months..
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silica gel seems like an awesome idea to help keep the moisture down!
Altho i wouldnt freak out about storing GHB without silica gel..
I've kept mine stored in 2 airtight ziploc bags (one inside the other) and its worked fine for me and I've been storing it that way for months..
My conclusion is this:
Put all GHB in one ziploc bag.
Put that ziploc bag in another one.
Put the silica gel baggie in the ziploc without the GHB.
Try to make sure the bags are airtight as possible.
GHB STAYS DRY :D (?)
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I became curious in GHB as it is claimed to remove a post-MDMA downer effect.
Hope that BG or some other connoisseurs here can help me to understand as to how GHB might produce it
If MDMA depletes ones serotonin reserves and it takes a couple of days to replenish them, then how does GHB affect this process?
My personal only experience with MDMA was pleasant, but next couple of days were such that I have never gone back ... If this is truly somehow affecting this I would be keen to try that fabled LSD + MDMA (+2CB) + GHB combo.
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Hello Everyone and Every One! :)
Firstly, my apologies...
I have not been on the forums at all for some months as I've just not had the bandwidth to run the whole customer service and order process, and also maintain an active presence on the forums. And of course there is all the rest of Life apart from Silk Road that requires attention and responsibility.
I have truly missed our conversations and I am very happy to be back! And a big thank you to all of you (you know who you are) who have maintained the integrity and professionalism of this little corner of the SR Forums. I am very grateful...
I am happy to report that the reason I will now be able to be active on the forums again is because the lovely SilverFox (http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?action=profile;u=68424) has joined our team to manage the customer service and order processing cycle :)
Some of you have probably already met here. She is experienced, competent and capable and truly a delight to work with (chosen out of thousands!) and I am certain you will have an excellent experience with her. She is one of us. (If you want to know a bit more about this lovely lady... http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=156118.0)
Furthermore, I am also pleased to report that the recent time away has allowed me to expend some energy on creative R&D in the lab. The fruits of this labour are two-fold:
1. We will, within days, be listing a 50/50 Na/K GHB (balanced mix of Sodium and Potassium GHB salts)! We are very pleased with our results. Potassium GHB is more hygroscopic, is a bitch to crystallize properly and has significantly lower yields than Sodium GHB, but we have perfected our process and have produced a beautiful dry white fluffy powder (of exquisite purity of course) that is a joy to handle and take. I will discuss more about the benefits and subtle distinctions of this product shortly in another post. (Na-GHB and K-GHB are not the same thing!)
2. We are in an advanced stage of set up to be able to supply consistently large volumes of the finest, full-spectrum, balanced Mescaline complex the world has ever seen. Right from soil and water specification and quality control, through excellent and time-tested cultivars of both T. pachanoi and T. peruvianus, sacred cultivation methods, and highly conscious and attuned extraction protocols, we are putting this one together with utmost care. As above, I will be making a dedicated post and new thread about this product shortly. Suffice to say, this will be the absolute business!! (And did I mention how exquisitely Mescaline and GHB combine?? Well I will soon - they like each other very much ;))
I will be starting to work through all the posts that require a response (though I see that many of them have been covered better than I could have!) and I wish to thank those of you that have been waiting, for your patience and indulgence...
Love and Blessings to you all!
Your BlueGiraffe
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Mescaline from BlueGiraffe? Oh man, sign me up for some of that. Looking forward to it, and thank you for the update! :)
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+1 for number 2 and ? for number 1!
Awaiting more information.
Good to have you back here.
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quick question about ghb salt. i know that it absorbs water from the environment but how much water does it absorb? i put about 0.5g into a few capsules a while ago and forgot about it. the capsules were more or less left out exposed in the open. when i checked up on it, it looked like like the amount in the capsules shrunk and clumped together. a few of the capsules looked like they were completely filled with a fluid. these are gelcaps so i don't think the fluid is water or else the capsules would melt
is it possible that the ghb i had in these capsules absorbed so much water that they literally turned into a liquid?
GHB becomes wet in as little as 10 minutes if left in the air. I found that compressing the powder and wrapping it tightly in the bag, then wrap that bag in the other bag it was in, put some silica gel in that bag, put the two bags in a small tuperware boy in which you also but some silica gel it. That has been keeping it dry for a month now for me :) You can also put it in the freezer though. The silica gel is I think optional but I'm fairly sure it helps since the beads became bigger since I put them in (which means they absorbed moisture).
YES. Silica bags ARE ESSENTIAL if you wanna keep the damn GHB powder dry lol. Like seriously. Also the freezer is a great idea. I'll definitely be storing my GHB better next time.
Suggestion to BG: Do you think you could sell silica bags also? They are incredibly helpful in keeping the powder dry and it would be convenient to just order it all in one place :)
so i experimented on myself and ate the 'wet' pills. they were a bit leaky and salty like ghb powder. i would say the effects were about the same so very interesting that the powder turned into a liquid by itself. must be humid here. good advice on silica bag gel. would you recommend using anhydrous magnesium sulfate? i have some of that left over too
i also tried mixing ghb with alcohol for the first time. as many people have mentioned, be VERY careful with this. normally i don't feel anything until i eat 2g of ghb. this time i did 1.5g of ghb with half a beer and i was feeling smashed. i can see how combining a full drink with a full dose of ghb will mess you up.
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quick question about ghb salt. i know that it absorbs water from the environment but how much water does it absorb? i put about 0.5g into a few capsules a while ago and forgot about it. the capsules were more or less left out exposed in the open. when i checked up on it, it looked like like the amount in the capsules shrunk and clumped together. a few of the capsules looked like they were completely filled with a fluid. these are gelcaps so i don't think the fluid is water or else the capsules would melt
is it possible that the ghb i had in these capsules absorbed so much water that they literally turned into a liquid?
GHB becomes wet in as little as 10 minutes if left in the air. I found that compressing the powder and wrapping it tightly in the bag, then wrap that bag in the other bag it was in, put some silica gel in that bag, put the two bags in a small tuperware boy in which you also but some silica gel it. That has been keeping it dry for a month now for me :) You can also put it in the freezer though. The silica gel is I think optional but I'm fairly sure it helps since the beads became bigger since I put them in (which means they absorbed moisture).
YES. Silica bags ARE ESSENTIAL if you wanna keep the damn GHB powder dry lol. Like seriously. Also the freezer is a great idea. I'll definitely be storing my GHB better next time.
Suggestion to BG: Do you think you could sell silica bags also? They are incredibly helpful in keeping the powder dry and it would be convenient to just order it all in one place :)
so i experimented on myself and ate the 'wet' pills. they were a bit leaky and salty like ghb powder. i would say the effects were about the same so very interesting that the powder turned into a liquid by itself. must be humid here. good advice on silica bag gel. would you recommend using anhydrous magnesium sulfate? i have some of that left over too
i also tried mixing ghb with alcohol for the first time. as many people have mentioned, be VERY careful with this. normally i don't feel anything until i eat 2g of ghb. this time i did 1.5g of ghb with half a beer and i was feeling smashed. i can see how combining a full drink with a full dose of ghb will mess you up.
Well wet GHB will feel the same as dry GHB, that's normal... I'd be careful with magnesium sulfate though, it's more effective but it's not very pleasant if you accidentally ingest some. And well try to put dry GHB out in the air and you'll see drops of water forming around it coming out of nowhere, even if the air isn't particularly moist.
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I was thinking of trying out GHB myself and this thread has giving me more enlightenment on it. Now if I may ask a couple questions what is the closet drug GHB mimics.
I have tried 2c,25c-nbome,mushrooms,weed,LSD,MDMA,liquor,cocaine,xanax,and synthetic marijuana
which one of these would you say GHB mimics the most and also what type of effects and feeling does GHB give someone? Honestly I have to admit I'm a lazy gal and didn't want to go through the books and articles. I'd rather have a first hand response from you.
I read somewhere on this thread GHB gives you a drunk ish type feeling,and the reason I'm interested in is because I'd like to use GHB as a social alternative for liquor, as I have been diabetic for almost a year now and I have finally stopped drinking because it is horrible for me since my diabetes. So is GHB a social drug?
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GHB is kind of like a horny, relaxing, sleepy, empathetic type of alcohol. I gives you the same dizziness and unfocused eyes than alcohol but overall it's a lot cleaner. I'd say it's more social than alcohol because it doesn't make you stupid but enhances conversations.. You're gonna be very horny especially if you're a girl though so don't take some at the wrong place :P
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GHB is kind of like a horny, relaxing, sleepy, empathetic type of alcohol. I gives you the same dizziness and unfocused eyes than alcohol but overall it's a lot cleaner. I'd say it's more social than alcohol because it doesn't make you stupid but enhances conversations.. You're gonna be very horny especially if you're a girl though so don't take some at the wrong place :P
So interesting so GHB is indeed very social, I have also read on this thread that their is a fine line between enjoying yourself or falling fast asleep on the GHB. So what would be a secure dose for a little lady to do that would allow me to enjoy my night and still be able to converse and socialize. And what do you mean by much cleaner than being drunk? Also I'm very fond of ''sleepy'' type effects so I'm sure I'd like this.
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GHB is kind of like a horny, relaxing, sleepy, empathetic type of alcohol. I gives you the same dizziness and unfocused eyes than alcohol but overall it's a lot cleaner. I'd say it's more social than alcohol because it doesn't make you stupid but enhances conversations.. You're gonna be very horny especially if you're a girl though so don't take some at the wrong place :P
So interesting so GHB is indeed very social, I have also read on this thread that their is a fine line between enjoying yourself or falling fast asleep on the GHB. So what would be a secure dose for a little lady to do that would allow me to enjoy my night and still be able to converse and socialize. And what do you mean by much cleaner than being drunk? Also I'm very fond of ''sleepy'' type effects so I'm sure I'd like this.
Well alcohol is a pretty crappy drug and feels "dirty", it fucks with your thoughts, makes you nauseous and gives you a lot of other bad side effects. Benzos are "clean" for example. I'd start with 1.5g depending on how little you are but don't mix with alcohol! You can redose every 45minutes to reach your sweet spot but don't redose too much at a time because the dose response curve becomes steep after 3g. I like downers too but I prefer SOMA to GHB because it's cleaner. GHB is still way better than alcohol though.
By the way how come you're AOD's secretary now? O.o
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GHB is kind of like a horny, relaxing, sleepy, empathetic type of alcohol. I gives you the same dizziness and unfocused eyes than alcohol but overall it's a lot cleaner. I'd say it's more social than alcohol because it doesn't make you stupid but enhances conversations.. You're gonna be very horny especially if you're a girl though so don't take some at the wrong place :P
So interesting so GHB is indeed very social, I have also read on this thread that their is a fine line between enjoying yourself or falling fast asleep on the GHB. So what would be a secure dose for a little lady to do that would allow me to enjoy my night and still be able to converse and socialize. And what do you mean by much cleaner than being drunk? Also I'm very fond of ''sleepy'' type effects so I'm sure I'd like this.
Well alcohol is a pretty crappy drug and feels "dirty", it fucks with your thoughts, makes you nauseous and gives you a lot of other bad side effects. Benzos are "clean" for example. I'd start with 1.5g depending on how little you are but don't mix with alcohol! You can redose every 45minutes to reach your sweet spot but don't redose too much at a time because the dose response curve becomes steep after 3g. I like downers too but I prefer SOMA to GHB because it's cleaner. GHB is still way better than alcohol though.
By the way how come you're AOD's secretary now? O.o
GHB is like benzos? if it is I am in love haha. And what do you mean ''how come?'' I've been rolling along A.O.Ds trails for quiet a while now and I've been given the opportunity so yeah why not.
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Well GHB isn't really like benzos but I meant benzos are cleaner than alcohol and that's what I mean by "cleaner", it was an example to let you understand what I meant by that :P
And I just thought it was kinda weird that a buyer was given such a position that's why I asked.
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+1 for a vendor taking the time to start a detailed harm reduction thread.
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I've never really felt the urge to try GHB.
I guess all the horror stories of blow outs and comas kind of turned me off.
Much of the horror stories are just that - stories - and part of very well funded and co-ordinated campaign to demonize one of the most benign substances ever created. Bit like the "reefer madness" propaganda of the sixties. It's well documented in http://www.amazon.com/GHB-Natural-Enhancer-Ward-Dean/dp/0962741868/
GHB should be used responsibly for sure, and it can definitely be abused to bad effect, but no worse than other drugs. And at responsible use levels it is one of the safest and most benign substances you can put in the body. Only GHB and DMT are endogenous neurochemicals, and thus perfectly understood by the body.
If you'd never smoked weed and only read the bullshit government sponsored drug literature on the subject you'd probably have a very different take on it than you currently have. I propose you try some (good quality) GHB, if only to dispel some of the myths you have heard...
BG
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BG is it true you might be carrying mescaline soon?
Yes indeed - see recent post!
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Hi!
I have never tried GHB, GBL or any of the other "GHB"-ish drugs around, and I don't know much about them. So I wonder - how much should I take, if it's evening and I want to sleep nice and deep? Also, how potent is it? Does it work even if I'm not tired at all when taking it? I have a good scale and soon (I hope) 50g of bluegiraffes powder-GHB.
Is the best way to mix with water and drink? (except for IV ofc)
Should I store it in some particular way, e.g. away from sunlight, to prevent it from loosing potency?
Best wishes
Suggest read this:
* Art of Dosing Tutorial: http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=90582.msg717324;topicseen#msg717324
Best to store dry, at room temperature, away from light, and sealed from oxygen.
BG
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Also (just to make sure) - as long as I keep alcohol, painkillers and bensos at a safe distance and don't take very high doses, the risk of me dying should be pretty low? Low to medium dose of GHB - have people (that aren't sick) died from that?
Yeah, I think you'll probably make it through the night ;)
No-one has died from a normal uncocktailed dose of GHB. Ever.
BG
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I have read the threads, but I must have missed what the pills are? 3 mg moxy? Is this not the GHB? Something all together different? And is it the same, no no with benzo's and alcohol?
Also quickly, do you have to be all scientific about how you mix the GHB? Or can you just drop say a gram in a shot glass of OJ?
Moxy is 5-MeO-MIPT, a tryptamine entactogen - detail here: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/item/cab018c433
Fine (and nice actually) to mix with benzos, alcohol and other CNS depressants :)
You can just drop a gram of GHB in glass of OJ - will be fine. But knowing when to take the 2nd (and 3rd) glass is worth the taking the time to understand
BG
Just a quick question, are you saying mixing opiates or heroin with 5-MeO-MIPT is not potentially dangerous?Enjoyable?
Should be fine - just experiment cautiously...
BG
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if i was to have a dosage of a gram or so in the morning and it didnt put me to sleep in the day do ppl know if a good sleep that night will still come about or is it usually got a timeframe for use before beddy byes?
I have never tried ghb myself, but I don't believe it would work. It has short half life and you will probably need a refill.
Correct. For sleep purposes you want to take it about an hour before bed time. And as low a dose as is necessary to just tip you over the edge.
BG
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Also let me tell you that 5-meo-mipt (3-6mg) combined with GHB (1g about every 45 minutes) is pure bliss, I gave up using MDMA because of that nice combo, it is much more clearer enjoyable and doesn't feel dirty + there is no hangover whatsoever. I'm always looking for that perfect high (high/hangover ratio) and this combination is closest I've come. Strongly recommend.
Thanks for great description...
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Everyone should check out this clear net youtube video on GHB, it's a regular guy telling you first hand expierences detail to detail and it's forty minutes long! ''http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXi2kY23jiQ''
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Just wanted to report here on my first transaction with BG
Comms were very professional, product knowledge was good and style was of a very friendly expert
Packaging and stealth were superbly professional, business-like, blending-in.
Time was not the fastest but certainly not anything to complain about
Product - I have not tried it yet, but if it is as good as forums make it then I shall be back since every other element of this transaction can not be faulted in any way.
Thanks again!
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if i were to take ghb at a 3-day festival, can i take it all 3 days without hangover or anything? will that be dangerous?
im a male, 6' 2'', 254lb how much should I take? and how long would one dose last for?
I have taken 3 days in a row. The dosages were 4g, 2g and 2g and it was alright for me. But I took it around the same time on each day.
@wondercow: As long as you manage your dosing and don't take too much at once you will be fine. Pushing it a bit just for 3 days is fine - just don't make a habit out of it. For dosing guidelines please read: http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=90582.msg717324;topicseen#msg717324
BG
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Also (just to make sure) - as long as I keep alcohol, painkillers and bensos at a safe distance and don't take very high doses, the risk of me dying should be pretty low? Low to medium dose of GHB - have people (that aren't sick) died from that?
It's pretty hard to die from GHB alone, usually people just go in a deep unrousable sleep. There are risks of vomiting while in that state though, but all in all it's a lot less risky than passing out from drinking too much. If you really take a lot then it can be dangerous though. But medium doses won't kill you if you don't mix it with alcohol and benzos and whatnot.
You should look up the erowid page on GHB for more information, it's really detailed.
Thanks tree - agreed. For the record I have have taken 10 grams of Na-GHB neat, in a single dose on an empty stomach, for the specific purpose of knowing what an overdose is like. I passed out quick, woke up to vomit at some point, passed out again, slept for about another 2 hours, and woke up feeling fine after that. I'm not recommending that anyone do this recreationally (wasn't that pleasant) or attempt to replicate the experiment, as 10g is a massive overdose.
But I am recounting this to give an experiential report related to how dangerous GHB is - and as shown, not very much at all. There is even one report in the literature of someone taking 65g and surviving. As long as you do not mix it with other CNS depressants all will be well...
BG
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You claim that GHB can be taken daily multiple times as an antidepressant.
You sell ghb powder way overpriced. And you do know nothing about how bad it is for you frontal lobe and basal ganglia.
People who take ghb every day will become fucked up pretty quick.
You claimed that the old virmo sold bad ghb and did not want to help out with a good synthesis because you don't know how to make it.
You also claimed that selling 99,99% gbl is bad. And you should warn your customers. You are a real businessman. Selling and telling crap about your products and sell it for a lot of money.
I should warn your customers to not believe what you say. If you wonder why some customers do not reply or buy anymore it is because they are in a clinic and detoxing from ghb is really terrible.
Go ahead and give me bad karma. Better to have bad karma and to be open and honest than to be a real businessman and ripping off your customers and selling crap information and not helping out other vendors and let them sell badly synthesized ghb because you are afraid of losing money because another vendor sells the same stuff for half or a quarter of the price you ask for your products...
You claim your product is cleaner than the people producing Xyrem. These people produce all sorts of medication and it is what they do for a living everyday. They studied for it. You claim to know more than psychiatrists and people from the pharmacy who produce Xyrem and make the cleanest liquid there is only for people who have to detox from GHB which is really dangerous. People can become psychotic and die if they quit taking their everyday 2 hour GHB dose.
Go fuck yourself.
You need to get a girlfriend dude...
Thought we'd been through all of this already (http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=90582.msg728747#msg728747), but here you are again on my thread pouring out your malice and frustrated rantings - it's getting really tedious to be honest.
I'm not going to address your points again cause frankly there are more fun ways to spend an evening, but you may want to consider finding a way to deal with your own internal conflicts - you're on here bashing GHB, and yet you also sell it (or some kind of version of it) on your vendor page - does that not strike you as a little fucked up?
Either way you're being totally unprofessional and behaving like an angry child - something these forums can do without. Your posts don't count as education or even entertainment IMHO, so what's the point exactly??
I see further long-winded posts below which I just cannot bring myself to wade through, so I won't. However in the interests of transparency and EXTREME tolerance and compassion; if you have a specific point you would like me to address then go for it (succinctly and courteously) and I'll respond.
And if you can't be professional and courteous, then better you stay out of this bar. Kid.
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Nice display of vendor professionalism there, virmo. BlueGiraffe is easily one of the most knowledgeable, helpful, and all around genuine vendors here on the Road, and you come to his thread as a fellow vendor (a competing one at that, you too sell GHB...) to simply bash him, and on what basis? Your claims are largely unsubstantiated. Provide sources. Be succinct and thorough in your criticisms instead of telling him to "go fuck [himself]." You've flat out given me and everyone else that reads that post a reason as to why we shouldn't purchase from you. No vendor should ever act in such a manner. Keep it objective and positive in both your discussions and criticisms.
Thanks for your support :)
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While I don't agree completely with the reasoning, I do agree with the end conclusion Animus reached: your post did you more harm than BG, Virmo. You used quite a few words, and said so very, very little. I don't think there's a single objective fact in your entire post, actually...
Pardon me, I should say a substantiated objective fact.
And yours...
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Dry GHB is actually a lot harder to make than liquid GHB, bluegiraffe's stuff isn't made a kitchen where he mixes lye and GBL, unlike the liquid stuff you get. BG's GHB is kind of expensive for 25g but it's only a little more than $2 a gram and 100g is pretty cheap, it'd cost less than $5 for a good dose, which is pretty good. Xyrem is of a much higher quality than the liquid GHB you find on the streets, the liquid GHB you find on the streets was never dry in the first in the first place, it's not like they take the powder and dissolve it. In fact, BG's stuff is probably as good as Xyrem.
And your prices are really not that low, your mirtazapine is super expensive for example. And your GHB, well there's maybe 15g in 25mL which makes it only 1.13 times cheaper, (if you add shipping price, his shipping is free) than his 25g listing, per gram, but the quality is most likely not the same, the liquid stuff that has garbage like GBL and GBL's impurities in it, because the wheel cleaner you get is not 99.99% pure. Of course if you want cheaper stuff you just buy it in liquid, but I personally don't mind paying a little more (1.13 times is really not much) for a cleaner powder GHB.
We could sell coke, heroin, ketamine, ghb, weed, lsd and every drug and claim it works as an antidepressant since every drug works on serotonine, dopamine etc.
I agree that GHB shouldn't be used for depression but some people are gonna do that anyways so that's why BG gave some advice. Low doses of GHB aren't neurotoxic though. Taking a gram a day won't cause bad addictions, and I think it's arguable that low doses of GHB have less drawbacks than drugs like effexor, and are much much more effective. People self medicate with alcohol, opiates, speed, etc. I think that GHB is at worst the lesser of two evils (I'm not talking about daily recreational doses). And FYI, ketamine as an antidepressant is a really good option, a low dose every 7 to 10 days being required, read the studies! LSD can also work to cure depression if used in a therapy setting, it has been used in the past with good result and I think it's still used in some cases in Switzerland, MDMA and mescaline have also been used with success.
GHB is a lot better for your health than alcohol too, they don't even compare in terms of ill effects, and a benzo addiction is worse than a GHB addiction. GHB is one of the safest drugs you can use if it's clean, it's not hard on your metabolism at all.
Even being an alcoholic is less bad for your health and mind than GHB.
Yeah, alcohol is definitely better for your liver and brain, sure, it doesn't cause things like... liver cirrhosis ::).
Stop bashing on BG, he's one of the best and most professional vendors on SR, and his stuff isn't so expensive if bought in bulk. By the way, dutch drugs aren't so spectacular, just because weed is legal there and you have good weed doesn't mean you have the best drugs in the world... Dutch speed totally sucks for example.
I agree with some of your posts though, I don't think that selling drugs at 100 times the price you bought it is really fair, and sure if you have a prescription for valium it won't be as expensive, about $25 for 50 pills of 10mg without insurance, but if you want to make money it's not really bad to sell it at $1 a pill, it's actually a pretty low price. It only costs you a few dollars to get high. And gotmilk isn't the most reliable vendor and his things are really not carefully packed but he delivers and I've found he's actually an honest guy. His bad feedback probably comes from the fact that his stuff is badly packed... Sure some of his pills are maybe weak but the prices are okay in my opinion.
Just because high prices make it look better. LSD for $10+ for "140ug" while it costs $0.50 is insane. Selling E for $10+ is also insane. One pill costs 10-25 cents.
What's really bad is people selling crap cocaine for $160 a gram or $35 for one single roxi, and well ,LSD is expensive and also often of a worse quality than advertised but there are good vendors.
we could sell lsd on sr 100+ug for real for $1 or less.
If you could sell real 100mcg tabs for even $4 a tab and they were real you'd definitely have business going after people try it out, it doesn't make it look better to sell it for cheap, people willl just think it's too good to be true at first. They won't want to pay $15 for the same thing if you sell good stuff for $4 or whatever cheaper price.
But you complain about the prices so much and you sell mirtazapine at like 7 times the price of a prescription without insurance! So if you complain so much about the prices maybe you should at least try to change the game like selling your mirtazapine at $1 a pill and your GHB at half the price. Then it'd make sense criticizing other's prices (and I agree with your that some things are really overpriced). But right now, BG's stuff is not much more expensive than your stuff (see above), and he's really pleasant to deal with (I'm not saying you're not but I have no experience with you) and well, your packages are basically insured with BG.
If you can really change the game and sell things much cheaper then by all means, do it.
+1 tree - thanks for stepping in and making such a solid post on this thread while I was away. It's nice to know that the space is being held ;)
Interestingly GHB does actually have utility as a clinical anti-depressant if used carefully (brief info here: http://www.biopsychiatry.com/ghb/authentic.html). If taken daily at sub-threshold doses (I consider Rifat's a bit high), it supports a continual low-level catharsis, which allows actual release of the psychological patterning that is often at the root of depressive states. Most commonly prescribed "anti-depressants" tend to cause emotional "numbing" rather than emotional "enhancement" and cathartic release - so they "manage" the effects of depression, but never deal with it truly.
This process needs to managed with care so that the GHB is not used simply as an escape from the depressive feelings (as many drugs, both clinical pharmaceuticals and recreational ones, are often used), but rather as a functional therapeutic. And if this is done daily then dosage must be low - at, or just below threshold. And duration should be no more than 1-3 months in these protocols. And of course ideally combined with non-drug based methods - such as therapy, yoga and intelligently modified diet.
In that context, it really does serve...
BG
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^Jesus H Christ talk about an uber-melt^
So BG I have a package on my way from you. I hear you talk about how great your powder is and how much better it is than liquid but I don't have a scale and this is by choice. Where I am from Drugs+Scale=Crazy mandatory minimum prison sentences. So is there any reason I couldn't just mix your power with a known amount of water and using ratios and fancy math and such just dose it that way? I mean am I hurting anything by just taking my 25g pack, mixing it 100ml distilled water thus knowing 4ml = 1g so as to dose easier and not have to carry around a scale?
^ ^ :)
Yeah, you can totally do that. Mixing in water is certainly one way to measure accurately without a scale. As a convenience we do also included a 2ml measuring spoon in the package. This weighs out around 1g - 1.5g of GHB (if level and lightly shaken, i.e. not compressed into the spoon).
Personally I only use the spoon now - and take one level spoon as my "incremental", building as I feel. Once you get a feel for GHB you could also easily do the same. All my friends who use GHB do it the same way - very simple once you've dosed a few times and have a feel for it.
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So I guess the question I need answered is can I dissolve it all right away without changing potency/effect as long as I store the liquid correctly? And what should I dissolve it in? Just distilled water I suppose?
It is stable in liquid (and yes distilled water would be best if you did) - but keeping it in powder is better for the long term. Once you're comfortable with the spoon that will always work for you - just experiment cautiously in the beginning.
BG
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Your FAQ answered my question. Thank you very much. I will be making a purchase shortly if the answer to my next question is positive.
Is it at ALL like alcohol chemically? I hear it makes you seem drunk, but I'm allergic to alcohol. Not deathly so, I just get INCREDIBLY sick and nauseous. I also use heroin--so I'd give 48 hours before a dose--and valium, so maybe even longer than 48 hours after taking that.
I know the feelings are alcohol-esque, hence being an intoxicant, but does it make you feel... like shit? Alcohol causes nausea, and I hear this only causes it, possibly, on the first time.
I'm just worried due to how bad my reaction to alcohol is, but I would love a drug that I can take frequently and is cheap.... this seems perfect.
Thanks!
Humble apologies - was off the forums for a while. Doing a major catch up on all questions now...
A good question, and one that I can answer in some depth.
Alcohol (ethane hydroxide / ethanol) is C2H6O. GHB is C4H8O3. So both simple molecules, and both essentially carbohydrates (without getting too formal on the semantics).
How they feel is somewhat similar. How they metabolize is very different.
GHB is more like a cross between alcohol and MDMA, than simple alcohol. Both are disinhibiting, but GHB more so. Both can make you so "drunk" you can't walk, but on GHB you would also know full well that you were intoxicated, and your cognitive faculties would be essentially intact. You're generally not going to consider driving while wasted on GHB, or sleeping with someone you really wouldn't otherwise want to - both things people often do while drunk on alcohol.
GHB euphoria is definitely superior to alcohol, and it increases tactile sensitivity - whereas alcohol (except in very small amounts) tends to decrease it. GHB profoundly supports sexual function, whereas alcohol does not generally (no whiskey dick). Both support emotional openness but GHB does it more cleanly - whereas alcohol can get a little "messy" and emotion not truly communicated. Not wanting to beat up on alcohol, but GHB is nicer in probably every respect.
In terms of metabolism there are vast distinctions to be made. Alcohol metabolizes primarily to acetaldehyde, an altogether unpleasant substance. It is essentially a nerve irritant which is why people often become "edgy" on too much alcohol, and is the cause of the HANGOVER we all know too well.
GHB on other hand is metabolized cleanly to succinic acid (a key part of the body's citric acid cycle) and ultimately to water and carbon dioxide. It's a precursor of GABA and also stimulates the pituitary to release HGH. So whereas ethanol metabolism is an essentially unhealthy process (which is why you feel like shit the morning after heavy drinking), GHB is actually a health tonic of a kind. (I'm embarrassed sometimes to punt it too hard, given that I sell it and all, but it really is positive in the body, not just neutral).
So to answer your specific question; no, your alcohol allergy will not apply to GHB - they are quite distinct chemically. GHB can cause nausea if too much is taken (and you are right this is generally only the first time, if it happens at all).
Yes, and please allow a minimum of 48 hours (on either side) between GHB and heroin/valium (or other CNS depressants).
BlueGiraffe
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The other day I have tried 1.5g + 1.5g of GHB powder at the back of my mescaline trip and sadly I could not notice any impact at all ... the gap between doses was 30 minutes and ultimately I had to go for a benzo to fall asleep (which was the whole reason of taking GHB in the first place) ... what could I be doing wrong?
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A little strange...
You have should have felt that. However depending on how on you were with the Mescaline still, or alternatively your body weight / usual tolerance to GHB, that may have been a touch low - and indeed must have been given your non-experience.
Your protocol was spot on IMHO - probably I would have a dropped another 1.5g of GHB after the next 30 mins to tip me over the edge... Did the benzo come on stronger than expected? I would expect it would have with the 3g of GHB already in your system...
Another thing, although personally I tend to generally do small progressive doses of GHB, when taking it at the tail of another drug - MDMA, psychedelic or whatever, I have a preference for taking a single larger dose, perhaps 2-3g - just feels better to me. And on reflection this could be because it takes a little more to "push through" the stimulation of the other drug.
So perhaps try a larger single dose next time, and then top up with small bumps (0.5g - 1g) every 20-30 mins if necessary to get you into the zone.
BG
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quick question about ghb salt. i know that it absorbs water from the environment but how much water does it absorb? i put about 0.5g into a few capsules a while ago and forgot about it. the capsules were more or less left out exposed in the open. when i checked up on it, it looked like like the amount in the capsules shrunk and clumped together. a few of the capsules looked like they were completely filled with a fluid. these are gelcaps so i don't think the fluid is water or else the capsules would melt
is it possible that the ghb i had in these capsules absorbed so much water that they literally turned into a liquid?
GHB becomes wet in as little as 10 minutes if left in the air. I found that compressing the powder and wrapping it tightly in the bag, then wrap that bag in the other bag it was in, put some silica gel in that bag, put the two bags in a small tuperware boy in which you also but some silica gel it. That has been keeping it dry for a month now for me :) You can also put it in the freezer though. The silica gel is I think optional but I'm fairly sure it helps since the beads became bigger since I put them in (which means they absorbed moisture).
YES. Silica bags ARE ESSENTIAL if you wanna keep the damn GHB powder dry lol. Like seriously. Also the freezer is a great idea. I'll definitely be storing my GHB better next time.
Suggestion to BG: Do you think you could sell silica bags also? They are incredibly helpful in keeping the powder dry and it would be convenient to just order it all in one place :)
@mschen: GHB can absorb a lot of water - even through a capsule shell. As for the liquid not melting the cap, I'm not sure...
@tree & zipstyle: personally I find that storing in a sealed glass or plastic jar - like a normal vitamin bottle works best. I normally don't store in the freezer as when you open it it will tend to absorb more water due to the low temperature. Silica gel for sure will help. We don't put silica gel in when we ship as that would not fit in with the product from a stealth perspective, if you know what I mean ;) And selling the silica gel separately would get a little fiddly.
BG
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A little strange...
You have should have felt that. However depending on how on you were with the Mescaline still, or alternatively your body weight / usual tolerance to GHB, that may have been a touch low - and indeed must have been given your non-experience.
Your protocol was spot on IMHO - probably I would have a dropped another 1.5g of GHB after the next 30 mins to tip me over the edge... Did the benzo come on stronger than expected? I would expect it would have with the 3g of GHB already in your system...
Another thing, although personally I tend to generally do small progressive doses of GHB, when taking it at the tail of another drug - MDMA, psychedelic or whatever, I have a preference for taking a single larger dose, perhaps 2-3g - just feels better to me. And on reflection this could be because it takes a little more to "push through" the stimulation of the other drug.
So perhaps try a larger single dose next time, and then top up with small bumps (0.5g - 1g) every 20-30 mins if necessary to get you into the zone.
BG
This makes sense ... thank you! +1
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I became curious in GHB as it is claimed to remove a post-MDMA downer effect.
Hope that BG or some other connoisseurs here can help me to understand as to how GHB might produce it
If MDMA depletes ones serotonin reserves and it takes a couple of days to replenish them, then how does GHB affect this process?
My personal only experience with MDMA was pleasant, but next couple of days were such that I have never gone back ... If this is truly somehow affecting this I would be keen to try that fabled LSD + MDMA (+2CB) + GHB combo.
hey bro, I know I answered you by mail recently on this - but to re-state it here, I'm not entirely sure of the neurochemical mechanisms by which GHB supports recovery. GHB is neuroprotective in conditions of hypoxia generally but that does not necessarily map across.
Certainly experientially post MDMA comedown is much easier if one has also used GHB to transition across from the MDMA state to baseline, and may have something to do with the actual improved emotional condition of the user during this transition - but truly I cannot say in any concrete way. I would not go so far as to say that MDMA is made safer through concurrent GHB use, just that it is made much easier, pleasurable and more manageable.
And yes that combo is the business - I know of no better slinky hedonistic combo :)
BG
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I sent a message to BG a few days ago with some questions.
He answered them quickly and suggested I'd copy-paste them here so everyone could see the answers he sent me... so here is a copy-paste of the message I sent him:
"Hi, since the main page is down right now I contact you here...
you seem to mention on your info.page that Ketamine and GHB should not be mixed - but that sounds strange to me, since I know of people who've mixed LSD, ketamine and GHB with nice results (as they say themselves).
For us, safety is more important than going crazy (we're too old for that shit, haha!).
GHB would be a new product for us, but most of our friends are familiar with it.
Would you recommend it before/during/after 2C-B, LSD, mescaline, MDMA, MDA, DMT?
Or would you recommend NOT mixing it with anything?
Also, where do you post from? EU, USA, others?
Any idea how long it would take before reaching central EU?
Do you really believe it's important to wait 48h before and after taking products such as alchohol, mushrooms, ... ketamine?
Sorry if those questions have been answered before, I didn't read all of the comments on your forum pages...
Do you recommend "eating" your powder as such, or diluting it in H20? If in H2O, should that be bottled water of could it be tapwater?
Cheers,
R5"
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I sent a message to BG a few days ago with some questions.
He answered them quickly and suggested I'd copy-paste them here so everyone could see the answers he sent me... so here is a copy-paste of the message I sent him:
"Hi, since the main page is down right now I contact you here...
you seem to mention on your info.page that Ketamine and GHB should not be mixed - but that sounds strange to me, since I know of people who've mixed LSD, ketamine and GHB with nice results (as they say themselves).
For us, safety is more important than going crazy (we're too old for that shit, haha!).
GHB would be a new product for us, but most of our friends are familiar with it.
Would you recommend it before/during/after 2C-B, LSD, mescaline, MDMA, MDA, DMT?
Or would you recommend NOT mixing it with anything?
Also, where do you post from? EU, USA, others?
Any idea how long it would take before reaching central EU?
Do you really believe it's important to wait 48h before and after taking products such as alchohol, mushrooms, ... ketamine?
Sorry if those questions have been answered before, I didn't read all of the comments on your forum pages...
Do you recommend "eating" your powder as such, or diluting it in H20? If in H2O, should that be bottled water of could it be tapwater?
Cheers,
R5"
Gracias - thanks for adding to the knowledge base :)
Apologies only responding now - was off the forums for a bit.
GHB and Ketamine both being CNS depressants (in their own way) will interact and potentiate. So you could easily end up going deeper down than you want to. Acid + K fine, acid + G fine, K + G not so fine. Personally I would not go there. But if you know your drugs and your body, for sure adventure cautiously. But I do not recommend at all.
GHB combines very well with all psychedelics and empathogens. Generally works better towards the end than the beginning, but as always personal experimentation will reveal. Read this for further insight: http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=90975.0
We mail from the UK (after first moving product there from where we are). Work on 2 weeks delivery time to be safe.
Yes I suggest a minimum of 48 hours between GHB and all other CNS depressants. Other drugs go wild :)
You could eat the powder but might not be that much fun. Better to dilute in water (or any fruit juice). Cleaner water always better - but any is still fine.
BG
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50/50 Na-GHB & K-GHB powder is now launched!
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/item/487880fadc
Enjoy ;)
BlueGiraffe
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Is the mix powder actually worth it? I thought K-GHB was 13% weaker per weight. And you yourself said the "distinction is subtle."
Really interested in ordering this to use as a sleep-aid, use with MDMA, and to show friends that alcohol is shit.
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I made a post here about the distinctions between the two: http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=176884.msg1327262#msg1327262
K-GHB is 13% weaker by weight than Na-GHB so the 50/50 combo is 6.5% weaker by weight than our regular product. So if you normally take 2g of Na-GHB, you would need to take 2.13g of the 50/50 to have the same strength of effect - a very very minor difference.
The distinction is subtle, but certainly noticeable, and for me there are definite circumstances where I prefer the 50/50 to the straight Na.
As a sleep aid I consider the Na-GHB superior, as the K-GHB has a slightly more "uplifting" and stimulating effect than that Na-GHB.
BG
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Hi BlueGiraffe
You actually joined my post, but i kinda wish to ask quickly in here something as well.
As you know, i'm still fighting against my PTSD. Im going to have my MDMA session (maybe more than one) when i have at least something to start it with, but since PTSD is problem that has had huge impact on my life and it has disoriented it completely(i don't enjoy and do thing i used to do), is it possible to use small amount of GHB everyday for a while(week><) in order bring myself to right course? Could GHB even help me with this?
And some people use it to sleep...this is rather odd question since im not 100% sure of how GHB works... i have understood it might give slight euphoric feeling...
In your opinion: My PTSD causes nightmares and i understand that these nightmares are brains way of coping the trauma and make me face it over and over again. Could GHB "come" to my dreams as an aid in order to help(if i wish before or after MDMA session) face the trauma in my dreams(it being less threatening and scary). I know it's rather unusual question/idea and the idea just came up. With common sense i think it's like retraining brains in sleep just like mdma at awake. Or is there any other drug that would work this way?
The reason i ask this is because the rare use of MDMA possibility and my understatement of GHB as safer drug than many other. I though have understood that GHB lasts only few hours so it may not last whole day/ night? And constant re-dosing is something that leads to addiction(reality escape is i guess behind most addictions)...
Thank you if you can help :) If someone should know about GHB then its you.
I still wish to order from you later, now i'm just looking for temporary and fast beanpole ...
Humble regards,
findingcure
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Hi BlueGiraffe
You actually joined my post, but i kinda wish to ask quickly in here something as well.
As you know, i'm still fighting against my PTSD. Im going to have my MDMA session (maybe more than one) when i have at least something to start it with, but since PTSD is problem that has had huge impact on my life and it has disoriented it completely(i don't enjoy and do thing i used to do), is it possible to use small amount of GHB everyday for a while(week><) in order bring myself to right course? Could GHB even help me with this?
And some people use it to sleep...this is rather odd question since im not 100% sure of how GHB works... i have understood it might give slight euphoric feeling...
In your opinion: My PTSD causes nightmares and i understand that these nightmares are brains way of coping the trauma and make me face it over and over again. Could GHB "come" to my dreams as an aid in order to help(if i wish before or after MDMA session) face the trauma in my dreams(it being less threatening and scary). I know it's rather unusual question/idea and the idea just came up. With common sense i think it's like retraining brains in sleep just like mdma at awake. Or is there any other drug that would work this way?
The reason i ask this is because the rare use of MDMA possibility and my understatement of GHB as safer drug than many other. I though have understood that GHB lasts only few hours so it may not last whole day/ night? And constant re-dosing is something that leads to addiction(reality escape is i guess behind most addictions)...
Thank you if you can help :) If someone should know about GHB then its you.
I still wish to order from you later, now i'm just looking for temporary and fast beanpole ...
Humble regards,
findingcure
Hey man, sorry to hear about your PTSD and I hope you are able to have a quick recovery. I'm interested about the use of MDMA treatment for PTSD and weather it really works, but I haven't managed to find a single person to ask who is up for using MDMA. So, would it be possible for you to report back to me and let me know how it goes? Will you take the MDMA with someone and then talk to them about how you feel?
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Hi gtgeorgz :)
I actually have another post of mine in Newbie section where i have more deeply opened up - maybe too much, but im genuinely looking for help. There i have discussed different Ptsd treatment options. Im planning at the moment of doing one MDMA session on my own in order to get connected with myself without "others in way". This is how i feel at the moment because of distrust element in my trauma and also individual nature of mine.
After this, if possible, i would like to do it with another person - first i deal relationship with myself and then others. Main point after all is to return the trust to myself and others.
I dont yet know how MDMA works so my plans are just raw.
May i ask why you are interested about this? You mentioned that you had looked for people with ptsd to try mdma?
I deeply hope this works since im indeed planning to make report of my progress - As a thanks for everyone who have helped me here and for those who also have ptsd. The reason im motivated to do this is because i have once before had ptsd(managed to heal without help, but took long) and second one like this could be too much for me. So im trying to control it best as i can and hope/think it wouldn't take full control of me. If it would, i would go down for good. That's why i'm eager to find solution.
But i would be happy to report you about this if you are interested :)
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Another quick question while I wait for the stupid bitcoin exchange (6 business days waiting for my money to show up in their retarded system)..
Does GHB make you black out? By that I mean doing things you don't remember doing. I would rather pass out than black out(I have done a lot of dumb things while under the influence of alcohol)
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Hi gtgeorgz :)
I actually have another post of mine in Newbie section where i have more deeply opened up - maybe too much, but im genuinely looking for help. There i have discussed different Ptsd treatment options. Im planning at the moment of doing one MDMA session on my own in order to get connected with myself without "others in way". This is how i feel at the moment because of distrust element in my trauma and also individual nature of mine.
After this, if possible, i would like to do it with another person - first i deal relationship with myself and then others. Main point after all is to return the trust to myself and others.
I dont yet know how MDMA works so my plans are just raw.
May i ask why you are interested about this? You mentioned that you had looked for people with ptsd to try mdma?
I deeply hope this works since im indeed planning to make report of my progress - As a thanks for everyone who have helped me here and for those who also have ptsd. The reason im motivated to do this is because i have once before had ptsd(managed to heal without help, but took long) and second one like this could be too much for me. So im trying to control it best as i can and hope/think it wouldn't take full control of me. If it would, i would go down for good. That's why i'm eager to find solution.
But i would be happy to report you about this if you are interested :)
Sorry for the late reply, forgot to check back to this thread!
Okay cool man, I was just interested because I'm thinking about doing a dissertation on the use of MDMA for PTSD for my studies.
If you make a report I would be very interested to see if you think it helps or not. Thanks!
Also, BG or any GHB experts. A few days ago I put about 0.5g of GHB in some caps, didn't get round to using them and I came back to look at them today and there is absolutely no GHB left in the caps and the caps are all crumbly.. Would the GHB really dissolve in this short amount of time?
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ok gtgeorgz :)
It may though take a while since im dealing with difficult illness and mdma cant be used everyday :P
Wish for sunny days - those are best. And i may try Ketamine and GHB with or without mdma so it's not pure one drug experiment.
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ok gtgeorgz :)
It may though take a while since im dealing with difficult illness and mdma cant be used everyday :P
Wish for sunny days - those are best. And i may try Ketamine and GHB with or without mdma so it's not pure one drug experiment.
That's cool man make sure you leave at least a month if you can between rolls to let your serotonin recover a bit. :)
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I think the GHB must of absorbed into the gelatin capsule.. I'm no chemist though.
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No, I simply put GHB powder into caps and left them out. Now it's all gone and the caps are all crumbly lol, bizarre.
EDIT: oops, looks like the post I replied to got deleted or modified.
I think the GHB must of absorbed into the gelatin capsule.. I'm no chemist though.
Yeah maybe. :)
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No, I simply put GHB powder into caps and left them out. Now it's all gone and the caps are all crumbly lol, bizarre.
EDIT: oops, looks like the post I replied to got deleted or modified.
I think the GHB must of absorbed into the gelatin capsule.. I'm no chemist though.
Yeah maybe. :)
Dry GHB is super hygroscopic meaning it attracts water a lot so the water broke down your caps :P You should store GHB in a tightly packed bag with silica gel in it or put it in the freezer or else it'll become wet.. A couple of days is way more than enough for the GHB to dissolve by the way, after only 10 minutes GHB becomes wet if left exposed.
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Hi BlueGiraffe
You actually joined my post, but i kinda wish to ask quickly in here something as well.
As you know, i'm still fighting against my PTSD. Im going to have my MDMA session (maybe more than one) when i have at least something to start it with, but since PTSD is problem that has had huge impact on my life and it has disoriented it completely(i don't enjoy and do thing i used to do), is it possible to use small amount of GHB everyday for a while(week><) in order bring myself to right course? Could GHB even help me with this?
And some people use it to sleep...this is rather odd question since im not 100% sure of how GHB works... i have understood it might give slight euphoric feeling...
In your opinion: My PTSD causes nightmares and i understand that these nightmares are brains way of coping the trauma and make me face it over and over again. Could GHB "come" to my dreams as an aid in order to help(if i wish before or after MDMA session) face the trauma in my dreams(it being less threatening and scary). I know it's rather unusual question/idea and the idea just came up. With common sense i think it's like retraining brains in sleep just like mdma at awake. Or is there any other drug that would work this way?
The reason i ask this is because the rare use of MDMA possibility and my understatement of GHB as safer drug than many other. I though have understood that GHB lasts only few hours so it may not last whole day/ night? And constant re-dosing is something that leads to addiction(reality escape is i guess behind most addictions)...
Thank you if you can help :) If someone should know about GHB then its you.
I still wish to order from you later, now i'm just looking for temporary and fast beanpole ...
Humble regards,
findingcure
Hey findingcure,
My apologies for only responding now.
Firstly big respect to you for your vulnerability and courage and for engaging this process as you are. Your approach and sensitive openness itself will be a greater force in your healing than anything else, and is, I believe, what will ultimately allow the use of these various chemical catalysts to serve you deeply.
Did you do the MDMA yet? How was it? How are you? Please share...
To answer your questions about GHB - yes it can serve here. Firstly, if you're working with MDMA then I recommend GHB as a transitioning agent (see thread here: http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=90975.0) - used as the MDMA is dropping off to allow a smoother and more natural (and more integrateable) transition back to baseline.
Furthermore you can definitely also use GHB as a daily agent to facilitate psychological processing. It will allow a gentle low-level catharsis while you are using it - and I suggest using it 2-3 times per day at LOW sub-threshold doses. For sure take some larger doses to experiment with where it can take you. But for regular daily usage the doses should be low. You can read this for some more info: http://www.biopsychiatry.com/ghb/authentic.html but I suggest slightly lower doses for ongoing therapeutic work than Rifat suggests.
I understand your question about GHB and your dreams etc. My best answer is that GHB has a general "oiling", "lubricating" and "loosening" effect on the psyche - it will allow movement, flow, processing and change - and it may be facilitate the working through of that which is "stuck" and showing itself to you in nightmares - and I think this will only take place in the waking state, though it may transition into your dream space. To use it like this for a time is wisdom, to use it habitually as an 'escape' is not - I see you understand this already. And that is good...
Ultimately I trust that the choices you are already making which are leading you into exploring the art of psychopharmacology for your own healing are the ones that you need. You sense intuitively that the path lies in this direction, so it is good that you are exploring it. No-one can know where this path will lead, but if you stay close to the intuitive compass of your heart you'll be shown the way.
It is possible that you may be led into deeper shamanic waters - where things like Iboga, Ayahuasca and San Pedro (and even LSD) may be indicated for your journey. You will know when the time is there. For now I sense that using 2C-B in a post MDMA situation may also be useful for you.
Blessings...
BG
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Another quick question while I wait for the stupid bitcoin exchange (6 business days waiting for my money to show up in their retarded system)..
Does GHB make you black out? By that I mean doing things you don't remember doing. I would rather pass out than black out(I have done a lot of dumb things while under the influence of alcohol)
No. You may pass out at higher doses for sure. But no memory gaps and strange behaviour in the waking state.
BG
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Hi gtgeorgz :)
I actually have another post of mine in Newbie section where i have more deeply opened up - maybe too much, but im genuinely looking for help. There i have discussed different Ptsd treatment options. Im planning at the moment of doing one MDMA session on my own in order to get connected with myself without "others in way". This is how i feel at the moment because of distrust element in my trauma and also individual nature of mine.
After this, if possible, i would like to do it with another person - first i deal relationship with myself and then others. Main point after all is to return the trust to myself and others.
I dont yet know how MDMA works so my plans are just raw.
May i ask why you are interested about this? You mentioned that you had looked for people with ptsd to try mdma?
I deeply hope this works since im indeed planning to make report of my progress - As a thanks for everyone who have helped me here and for those who also have ptsd. The reason im motivated to do this is because i have once before had ptsd(managed to heal without help, but took long) and second one like this could be too much for me. So im trying to control it best as i can and hope/think it wouldn't take full control of me. If it would, i would go down for good. That's why i'm eager to find solution.
But i would be happy to report you about this if you are interested :)
Sorry for the late reply, forgot to check back to this thread!
Okay cool man, I was just interested because I'm thinking about doing a dissertation on the use of MDMA for PTSD for my studies.
If you make a report I would be very interested to see if you think it helps or not. Thanks!
Also, BG or any GHB experts. A few days ago I put about 0.5g of GHB in some caps, didn't get round to using them and I came back to look at them today and there is absolutely no GHB left in the caps and the caps are all crumbly.. Would the GHB really dissolve in this short amount of time?
Yes that can happen. GHB is very hygroscopic and will suck water through the capsule shell.
BG
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Thank you BG for your time,
I have some easy simple questions for you :)
#1: You offer two varieties of GHB; one with a balance of Na and K for a healthier mix, but then what does the other one consist of?
#2: Which of the two [ion-balance and 'standard'(?)] product would you recommend for consuming as post MDMA session and as a non drug-combination session?
#3: Would it be safe to consume with amphetamine or cocaine, if not; how long after GHB use must i wait to use either amphetamine or cocaine again?
#4: Finaly [If not already answered previously], what makes the blend more expensive than the other?
Thank you so much. I will be interested in purchasing.
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Thank you BG for your time,
I have some easy simple questions for you :)
#1: You offer two varieties of GHB; one with a balance of Na and K for a healthier mix, but then what does the other one consist of?
#2: Which of the two [ion-balance and 'standard'(?)] product would you recommend for consuming as post MDMA session and as a non drug-combination session?
#3: Would it be safe to consume with amphetamine or cocaine, if not; how long after GHB use must i wait to use either amphetamine or cocaine again?
#4: Finaly [If not already answered previously], what makes the blend more expensive than the other?
Thank you so much. I will be interested in purchasing.
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Happy to give it... :)
#1: Just Na. Sodium salt of GHB...
#2: They're both very similar experientially - both will work fine in both scenarios you describe. There are differences but they're subtle - see this post for more info: http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=176884.msg1327262#msg1327262
#3: Very safe (and delicious) to combine with all CNS stimulants. Zero waiting required ;)
#4: Lower yields, more expensive reagents, harder to crystallize properly (a real bitch actually), more lab time to produce...
BG
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ok so i loved the ghb experience i had on the come down of some methylone. thank you so much for that BlueGiraffe.
But here is my problem i put a oxygen eater to try and keep the moistior down after reading about what the GHB does after its unsealed but thier still is tons of water forming on where i pour the ghb out of the bag.
Is thier something i can do to stop this i already have it in two zip lock bags...
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Glad you enjoyed!
GHB is hygroscopic so it's going to suck moisture out of the atmosphere no matter what.
What you're describing is a little irritating but not serious. Basically the GHB fine residue powder on the edge of the bag where you pour now has a greater surface area exposed to air so is absorbing some moisture and creating small droplets on the plastic.
The simplest is to just wipe that moisture away with a paper towel so at least the bag stays dry - then ensure that you shake the GHB all down to the bottom. Keeping the bag properly sealed when not in use will also solve the problem.
Probably the best is to decant the GHB from the plastic bag into a sealed plastic or glass jar - and keep the lid on when not in use. And a silica gel dessicant which specifically absorbs water will be better than an oxygen eater, which is basically just absorbing oxygen - which is not your problem.
BG
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ok thanks ill move it over to a jar and try to find one of those silica gels thanks.
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If any of the denizen of this thread have experience with concurrent GHB and Cocaine use please will you post your experiences here: http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=195368.0
Thanks,
BG
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This is an urgent notice to all our clients.
There has been a massive breach of security due to the following conjunctions:
1. I keep a document with all shipping addresses as verification for any re-ships. I know this is specifically against Silk Road’s terms, but I have always kept this totally protected (properly encrypted and completely hidden). I’ve been meaning to remove all personal information and just keep the stats, but had not gotten around to that yet.
2. I very recently hired a new assistant to help me process orders. She is totally trustworthy and has access to all documentation. However she made a profound error of judgement a couple of days ago. She was meant to email me the shipping information for the day – PGP encrypted and from one Tormail account to another. There was an issue with her PGP and she failed to get it sorted and so, as it was late in the day and she didn't want to miss the shipment deadline, decided to send it another way that she believed was totally secure, but which was not (I do not want to give further detail on the forum as these may compromise things further). She also somehow mistakenly managed to send all the history rather than just the day's orders.
3. Tormail was compromised shortly afterwards.
The circumstances and the timing could not have been more horrifically aligned, and I consider the shipping information compromised.
I take full personal responsibility for this. Whatever role my assistant played, I allowed it to happen. I am a professional and I have never been responsible for such a degree of fuck up in all my life, and I feel utterly gutted and destroyed from the betrayal of trust and care that I have just caused. I am deeply sorry to all of you.
The data does link names and addresses to SR usernames but does not refer to any specific product. While I consider it low probability that there will be any direct follow-up, I do highly recommend that you clean house and do whatever else is required to protect yourself. I will also be sending this communication out by PM to all our clients.
Our account itself was not compromised from the Javascript exploit and everything is functional and secure. And of course the learning from the most painful kind of lesson is already being applied. I have already shared the details of this with DPR and have offered to walk the plank - and may yet depending on how this plays out.
Though I will never meet any of you in person, you are like a great family that I love and care for very much. And I have done the worst thing and compromised your safety. I am so sorry.
BlueGiraffe (neck hung in shame)
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Seriously man?
Yes seriously. I'm sorry - I have no words. The information may not be compromised, but it could be - so should be treated as if it has been.
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Wow.. Alright, then can you help me out a little bit? I placed my first order from you August 4th around 02:00am, and it was confirmed and put in transit the 5th in the afternoon.
Am i compromised or did she do this before this time period/
Thanks :)
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My basic recommendation is to never have alcohol and GHB in the same body at the same time. A beer or two (as you suggest) earlier in the evening is not going to kill you - BUT it is still better not to mix them up at all. This is from a safety perspective - but also from a PLEASURE perspective :)
GHB will generally feel more euphoric without having alcohol in the system at the same time. The alcohol will tend to lean the experience of GHB more towards alcohol itself, and obscure the higher, more MDMA-like aspects of GHB. My point of view...
Thanks for the information, cant wait to place my first order too. I have never done GHB, but I want to.
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Wow.. Alright, then can you help me out a little bit? I placed my first order from you August 4th around 02:00am, and it was confirmed and put in transit the 5th in the afternoon.
Am i compromised or did she do this before this time period/
Thanks :)
Not compromised. You're fine.
BG
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Took it for the first time.
+0h +1g - Took 1g in a glass of water, I have an empty stomach.
+1h +1g - Not feeling any effects, other than having to poop, I take one more gram and head into the shower(after my poop of course.) It kicks in while I'm drying off, I feel very very comfortable. I look in the mirror and I'm smiling for no reason. I just feel damn good!
+2h - Still feeling really good, super happy. I am chatting it up with strangers on BlackOps2 and having fun. Normally I would just play the game in silence.
+3h + 2g - Still feeling pretty good, still happy. I decide it's time for sleep, take 2g in a glass of water. Pretty quickly I feel very intoxicated but very euphoric, extremely comfortable. Unfortunately I am not tired, more wired than anything. I decide not to go overboard on the GHB and just lay in bed until morning, feeling surprisingly refreshed.
A very excellent substance. While the amount I did was not helpful for my sleep, the euphoria and comfort I felt makes this my new favourite feel-good substance, no hangover and my body feels good. I don't think I'll ever do MDMA again. Very excited to share it with my close friends.
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Took it for the first time.
+0h +1g - Took 1g in a glass of water, I have an empty stomach.
+1h +1g - Not feeling any effects, other than having to poop, I take one more gram and head into the shower(after my poop of course.) It kicks in while I'm drying off, I feel very very comfortable. I look in the mirror and I'm smiling for no reason. I just feel damn good!
+2h - Still feeling really good, super happy. I am chatting it up with strangers on BlackOps2 and having fun. Normally I would just play the game in silence.
+3h + 2g - Still feeling pretty good, still happy. I decide it's time for sleep, take 2g in a glass of water. Pretty quickly I feel very intoxicated but very euphoric, extremely comfortable. Unfortunately I am not tired, more wired than anything. I decide not to go overboard on the GHB and just lay in bed until morning, feeling surprisingly refreshed.
A very excellent substance. While the amount I did was not helpful for my sleep, the euphoria and comfort I felt makes this my new favourite feel-good substance, no hangover and my body feels good. I don't think I'll ever do MDMA again. Very excited to share it with my close friends.
So. you took in total 4 grams? I thought BG advertised 2 grams for a night's dose. Any more and you risk passing out (how were you not able to sleep after taking it?)
Can anyone comment on this, please?
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It was spread over 4 hours.. I have incredibly bad insomnia.
And the prescription GHB is 4.5g that you take at all at once, twice a night.
I was also reading studies on GHB and one stated that a man involved in the study received no effect from even large amounts of GHB. So I think I'm lucky I get the amazing euphoria and extreme comfort at least :)
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It was spread over 4 hours; And the prescription GHB is 4.5g that you take at all at once, twice a night.
BG states: "Dosing should be done progressively (perhaps 1g - 2g every 30 - 60 minutes, erring towards the lower dose and longer interval), rather than a larger dose all at once."
Did you say you do 2x 4,5g over 4 hours?
I just want to know, are you taking the same stuff as BG used to sell or is this GHB from somewhere else?
I should be receiving my GHB package soon, and i just want to be careful about my doses. Not too much yet not too little.
Thank you :)
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It was spread over 4 hours; And the prescription GHB is 4.5g that you take at all at once, twice a night.
BG states: "Dosing should be done progressively (perhaps 1g - 2g every 30 - 60 minutes, erring towards the lower dose and longer interval), rather than a larger dose all at once."
Did you say you do 2x 4,5g over 4 hours?
I just want to know, are you taking the same stuff as BG used to sell or is this GHB from somewhere else?
I should be receiving my GHB package soon, and i just want to be careful about my doses. Not too much yet not too little.
Thank you :)
he clearly said he took 4g over 4 hours...
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Alright then.. I must have read this wrong, "4.5g that you take at all at once, twice a night"
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I was using BG's GHB.
And I was just stating that 4g over 4 hours is not enough to knock me out.
Using the example that a sleeping prescription is 4.5g at once, two times a night. Which is not what I did.
It's a really amazing product if you like feeling good.
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I know Blue is busy, but can anyone answer my question. My Ptsd causes memory and concentration problems and those problems itself stress me. Does GHB worsen these? Or is there possibility that it would help making my mind clearer? I have removed many "drugs" out of my try list, but GHB is something im definitely going to get and see how it helps. I dont have as much anxiety than sometime ago, but my memory is wreck. Reminders of my condition, such as that, make me feel worse. And thank you :) for reply.
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Will Blue be opening under another name?
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DPR has said BG is able to Vendor from a new account, his punishment being losing all of his stats.
I am hopeful he will be back because his product and service are A++++++.
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DPR has said BG is able to Vendor from a new account, his punishment being losing all of his stats.
I am hopeful he will be back because his product and service are A++++++.
I'd like to know what his new name will be... "Pink Panther" maybe?
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I used to have 4-6g of BGs GHB over a few hours in a night, and that was what I needed for the great euphoria and fun effects followed by extreme fatigue and sleeping very happily and restfully.
BG has obviously made a huge mistake compromising all customers, but I still hope at some point I am able to get more GHB. Its an amazingly fun substance.
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Anyone IV GHB with meth?
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Anyone IV GHB with meth?
IV GHB is used in 20mg/mL concentrations medically. For anesthesia, around 200mg of IV GHB is usually used, but you better set up an IV drip because injecting 20mL with a seringe could be pretty dangerous because you could easily inject too much liquid too fast. I wouldn't recommend making a too concentrated solution either because all of the sodium.
Meth shouldn't interact much with GHB.
Do it and report back, I'm curious to know how IV GHB would feel :P
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This has been asked before but wasn't really answered:
If a customer was to keep their compromised SR account due to stats etc, but ship to a new name / address... is there any harm that can come of it??
I mean obviously LE can have your SR user name, but if packages are being sent to another name and addy then how is it traceable? I can't see how changing the user name is of any benefit. Seems like the only option is to change the drop address, or is there something I'm missing?
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Obviously BG has left the building,
but I hope some one else (or another username) can/could answer this question:
would it be dangerous or would it be fun to use GHB while in a sauna?
I know that I would advise against using MDMA in the sauna, or LSD - but how about GHB?
Also, when mixing up with coke (I've lost the page about using C and GHB that BG started a while ago): how long should you wait after the C before taking the GHB and how strong should be your GHB intake?
I hope someone is still out there!
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Obviously BG has left the building,
but I hope some one else (or another username) can/could answer this question:
would it be dangerous or would it be fun to use GHB while in a sauna?
I know that I would advise against using MDMA in the sauna, or LSD - but how about GHB?
Also, when mixing up with coke (I've lost the page about using C and GHB that BG started a while ago): how long should you wait after the C before taking the GHB and how strong should be your GHB intake?
I hope someone is still out there!
Hey RaF!
For the sauna situation, I think it would be okay to use GHB in the sauna as long as you keep the doses low. At high doses you could experience some serious sedation which would lead to you passing out and potentially drowning. And, well, that'd be bad lol.
As for the coke question, I would suggest taking the GHB about 30 min - 1 hr after doing the coke, but you can take it a bit sooner if you like. I don't see any serious contraindications for this combo. If anything, you'll get extremely horny and have a very lusty sexy time hehe. ;)
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Took it for the first time.
+0h +1g - Took 1g in a glass of water, I have an empty stomach.
+1h +1g - Not feeling any effects, other than having to poop, I take one more gram and head into the shower(after my poop of course.) It kicks in while I'm drying off, I feel very very comfortable. I look in the mirror and I'm smiling for no reason. I just feel damn good!
+2h - Still feeling really good, super happy. I am chatting it up with strangers on BlackOps2 and having fun. Normally I would just play the game in silence.
+3h + 2g - Still feeling pretty good, still happy. I decide it's time for sleep, take 2g in a glass of water. Pretty quickly I feel very intoxicated but very euphoric, extremely comfortable. Unfortunately I am not tired, more wired than anything. I decide not to go overboard on the GHB and just lay in bed until morning, feeling surprisingly refreshed.
A very excellent substance. While the amount I did was not helpful for my sleep, the euphoria and comfort I felt makes this my new favourite feel-good substance, no hangover and my body feels good. I don't think I'll ever do MDMA again. Very excited to share it with my close friends.
So. you took in total 4 grams? I thought BG advertised 2 grams for a night's dose. Any more and you risk passing out (how were you not able to sleep after taking it?)
Can anyone comment on this, please?
I took 5.0 grams in one gulp the other day in an effort to pass out after rolling aroud in my bed with terrible insomnia and i still couldnt fall asleep :(
i finally fell asleep an hour and a half later after i drank another gram (total of 6 grams).
same thing happened to me a month ago, which was the last time i tried G before last week. i guess some ppl have naturally high tolerances..
i only weigh 50 kg, which is really weird because i have a super low tolerance to every other drug on this planet
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Although I have personally retired from involvement in this business, the flow of highest quality GHB powder was just about to be restored (within the next couple of days) on SR through a team of highly professional people who's integrity I absolutely vouch for.
In light of what has just happened, all is being reviewed and alternate plans are being considered. In the meantime feel free to engage or do business here:
temporary-giraffe@safe-mail.net (only PGP communication please).
Sheep and BMR are being looked at, though neither is ideal. Once there is clarity on the way forward, an announcement will be made here if the forums are still up.
Be safe everyone - what is right and true will always prevail - and our adversaries are simply here as our agents of growth. Used with awareness they help us hone the integrity and clarity of our spirits. It's all good...
BG
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