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Title: FAO Admin: Can repeat scammers be stopped?
Post by: Bottrop on November 20, 2012, 08:55 pm
I recently got scammed for about $250 by jondoe777. He also did me the kindness of sending me the following private messages:

jondoe777: sorry bud this was a scam.

jondoe777: i made in total $12K using this account. I am a vet scammer and I have been scamming on SR for over a year. I guess 12K is chump change 2 you lol.

jondoe777: I made 12K using this one account and I have run like 12 accounts in the last year. I am not ballin and some get much more money and some get less then this account. But your far 2 stupid 2 do this based on your lack of understanding lol. YOU ARE A FUCKIN IDIOT THANKS FOR YOUR MONEY. The house costs closer to $200,000 but dont worry with your low IQ you will never worry about buying a house. Maybe someone will give you one but you certainly cant earn enough with your dumb ass brain.

Clearly this 'criminal mastermind'  ::) will be back on the road as quickly as it will let him and he will pull the same shit. This could happen again and again. Indefinitely actually. Is there anyway admin could prevent this type of scammer coming back with a new account? This needs to be addressed I feel as Silk Road, like real life society, could easily be exploited by the few.

Title: Re: FAO Admin: Can repeat scammers be stopped?
Post by: Bottrop on November 20, 2012, 08:59 pm
Oh yeah I should add - he is apparently going to buy himself a house by scamming people on Silk Road. There must be a way to prevent him coming back?
Title: Re: FAO Admin: Can repeat scammers be stopped?
Post by: TheDudeAbides on November 20, 2012, 09:06 pm
Wow, what an asshole.
Title: Re: FAO Admin: Can repeat scammers be stopped?
Post by: OnePotMama on November 20, 2012, 09:32 pm
Sorry for your loss. That is terrible, and we can only hope that karma (the real kind) will kick him swiftly in the ass. Sending good vibes your way!
Title: Re: FAO Admin: Can repeat scammers be stopped?
Post by: RadioDog on November 20, 2012, 09:40 pm
What's that safety measure used on SR called again???? HHmmm I cant remember... something like ESCROW!!!?? If it weren't for people FEing these scammers wouldn't exist.
Title: Re: FAO Admin: Can repeat scammers be stopped?
Post by: nola747 on November 20, 2012, 09:50 pm
I recently got scammed for about $250 by jondoe777. He also did me the kindness of sending me the following private messages:

jondoe777: sorry bud this was a scam.

jondoe777: i made in total $12K using this account. I am a vet scammer and I have been scamming on SR for over a year. I guess 12K is chump change 2 you lol.

jondoe777: I made 12K using this one account and I have run like 12 accounts in the last year. I am not ballin and some get much more money and some get less then this account. But your far 2 stupid 2 do this based on your lack of understanding lol. YOU ARE A FUCKIN IDIOT THANKS FOR YOUR MONEY. The house costs closer to $200,000 but dont worry with your low IQ you will never worry about buying a house. Maybe someone will give you one but you certainly cant earn enough with your dumb ass brain.

Clearly this 'criminal mastermind'  ::) will be back on the road as quickly as it will let him and he will pull the same shit. This could happen again and again. Indefinitely actually. Is there anyway admin could prevent this type of scammer coming back with a new account? This needs to be addressed I feel as Silk Road, like real life society, could easily be exploited by the few.

I had the exact same thing happen by this guy.  After scamming me, he messaged me, and a conversation ensued for a bit.  It was very strange...  It was strange in the first place to message me and tell me I'd been scammed by him.  But then when I explained why it sucks to do this to people, he went on to make some sort of crap argument about why the whole thing is my fault, and how I am a "liar", and other weird stuff.  I mentioned karma and he said he looked down upon people who believe in Karma and that they deserve to be scammed, etc.  Very very strange indeed. 

I never FE, and I've always preached to others that they not tolerate it; that we should create an environment where it isn't tolerated so that the market takes care of itself, and no one demanding that people FE will be able to sell.  However, in this case, he had used numerous shell accounts to give himself positive feedback, and the remainder of the reviews were other people leaving 5/5s in the FE stage, just waiting to be scammed. 

I wish that something could and would be done about scamming, especially this type.  However, I guess the only sure-fire way to avoid vendor scams is to never FE.

Sigh... $250, down the toilet (or more accurately, the new solid gold toilet in this professional scammer's new house, that we "owe" him, or whatever).
Title: Re: FAO Admin: Can repeat scammers be stopped?
Post by: Zulu on November 20, 2012, 09:57 pm
only thing would be to set a limit on what new vendors can do in terms of sales numbers etc.
Title: Re: FAO Admin: Can repeat scammers be stopped?
Post by: NoddingOff on November 20, 2012, 10:04 pm
What's that safety measure used on SR called again???? HHmmm I cant remember... something like ESCROW!!!?? If it weren't for people FEing these scammers wouldn't exist.

That and doing some real communicating on the forums. I've had over 22 successful transactions and have only been on the road for about 2 months and not once have I been scammed. You just gotta be patient and do your reading. Any vendor that has more then one person complaining and doesn't have a thread on the forum with the vendor him/herself explaining why should be avoided.

It's a lot of common sense but I think this escrow system is fantastic. New legit vendors come to the forums and open up threads to send out samples and free products and stuff. If there's a new vendor that requires FE, has no good reviews from reputable users, has only been on the road for less than a month and isn't communicating well then just pick  someone else!
Title: Re: FAO Admin: Can repeat scammers be stopped?
Post by: nola747 on November 20, 2012, 10:09 pm
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=64168.0

BTW, did anyone notice this thread?  It's a long-time user endorsing jondoe777, but it's the only positive endorsement I could find; the rest of the threads are just people like us talking about being scammed.  Just thought this was kinda a weird find.
Title: Re: FAO Admin: Can repeat scammers be stopped?
Post by: GreenPEAs on November 20, 2012, 10:12 pm
The only way to stop this is to disallow finalizing early entirely - just not even make it an option to finalize before a set amount of days have transpired.

Sorry for your losses.
Title: Re: FAO Admin: Can repeat scammers be stopped?
Post by: OnePotMama on November 20, 2012, 10:57 pm
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=64168.0

BTW, did anyone notice this thread?  It's a long-time user endorsing jondoe777, but it's the only positive endorsement I could find; the rest of the threads are just people like us talking about being scammed.  Just thought this was kinda a weird find.

There are two reasons I can think of for this:

a.) The reviewer has a tie into the scam project, whether a percentage or created the account themselves knowing how to use SR to their advantage

OR

b.) jondoe777 is using selective non-scamming. A lot of people on the forums have the same username on the marketplace. If you get a good order from a vet, the best a scammer can do is actually complete the order and give top notch service. Why? Because then the vet will vouch to the community, and people will run to the vendor with money in hand.

Just a couple thoughts.
Title: Re: FAO Admin: Can repeat scammers be stopped?
Post by: nuyt on November 20, 2012, 11:25 pm
Sorry to the people who got scammed, and especially those for whom the vendor can around to brag to them about getting scammed. That's just bullshit! What an asshole! It's not much, but I'm going to add something to by forum sig about never FE'ing. I'd suggest everyone do the same. In the month+ I've been a member, I know that it's been all the longer standing members who make it a point to caution people against FE'ing that brought me around to decide to never FE. I think getting the buying community to rally around 'never FEing' would be more effective in stopping the scamming that trying to lobby the admins to take the FE option off the table altogether. Of course, people that don't visit the forums would still leave themselves open to getting scammed, but at least it could cut down somewhat on the customer base of people willing to deal with vendors that require FE.
Title: Re: FAO Admin: Can repeat scammers be stopped?
Post by: jondoe777 on November 21, 2012, 02:41 am
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=64168.0

BTW, did anyone notice this thread?  It's a long-time user endorsing jondoe777, but it's the only positive endorsement I could find; the rest of the threads are just people like us talking about being scammed.  Just thought this was kinda a weird find.

There are two reasons I can think of for this:

a.) The reviewer has a tie into the scam project, whether a percentage or created the account themselves knowing how to use SR to their advantage

OR

b.) jondoe777 is using selective non-scamming. A lot of people on the forums have the same username on the marketplace. If you get a good order from a vet, the best a scammer can do is actually complete the order and give top notch service. Why? Because then the vet will vouch to the community, and people will run to the vendor with money in hand.

Just a couple thoughts.

Hahaha I had lots of help, not just the mountainman, but even disinformation people like springseed and cujo.  Did you ever wonder why cujo was so crazy and I insisted on paying him back publicly so everyone could see my honesty, HAH you suckers. Cujo aka charlie green, springseed, all were paid off by me, except I fucked over springseed in the end and didn't send his bitcoins.  I've got all the bitcoin transactions, just ask SR to publish where the coins were sent and you will see their SR names are close enough to their forum names to figure it out.  Thanks guys and gals!  Hasta la Vista
Title: Re: FAO Admin: Can repeat scammers be stopped?
Post by: OnePotMama on November 21, 2012, 03:13 am
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=64168.0

BTW, did anyone notice this thread?  It's a long-time user endorsing jondoe777, but it's the only positive endorsement I could find; the rest of the threads are just people like us talking about being scammed.  Just thought this was kinda a weird find.

There are two reasons I can think of for this:

a.) The reviewer has a tie into the scam project, whether a percentage or created the account themselves knowing how to use SR to their advantage

OR

b.) jondoe777 is using selective non-scamming. A lot of people on the forums have the same username on the marketplace. If you get a good order from a vet, the best a scammer can do is actually complete the order and give top notch service. Why? Because then the vet will vouch to the community, and people will run to the vendor with money in hand.

Just a couple thoughts.

Hahaha I had lots of help, not just the mountainman, but even disinformation people like springseed and cujo.  Did you ever wonder why cujo was so crazy and I insisted on paying him back publicly so everyone could see my honesty, HAH you suckers. Cujo aka charlie green, springseed, all were paid off by me, except I fucked over springseed in the end and didn't send his bitcoins.  I've got all the bitcoin transactions, just ask SR to publish where the coins were sent and you will see their SR names are close enough to their forum names to figure it out.  Thanks guys and gals!  Hasta la Vista

wow.
Title: Re: FAO Admin: Can repeat scammers be stopped?
Post by: Zulu on November 21, 2012, 03:46 am
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=64168.0

BTW, did anyone notice this thread?  It's a long-time user endorsing jondoe777, but it's the only positive endorsement I could find; the rest of the threads are just people like us talking about being scammed.  Just thought this was kinda a weird find.

There are two reasons I can think of for this:

a.) The reviewer has a tie into the scam project, whether a percentage or created the account themselves knowing how to use SR to their advantage

OR

b.) jondoe777 is using selective non-scamming. A lot of people on the forums have the same username on the marketplace. If you get a good order from a vet, the best a scammer can do is actually complete the order and give top notch service. Why? Because then the vet will vouch to the community, and people will run to the vendor with money in hand.

Just a couple thoughts.

Hahaha I had lots of help, not just the mountainman, but even disinformation people like springseed and cujo.  Did you ever wonder why cujo was so crazy and I insisted on paying him back publicly so everyone could see my honesty, HAH you suckers. Cujo aka charlie green, springseed, all were paid off by me, except I fucked over springseed in the end and didn't send his bitcoins.  I've got all the bitcoin transactions, just ask SR to publish where the coins were sent and you will see their SR names are close enough to their forum names to figure it out.  Thanks guys and gals!  Hasta la Vista

wow.

wow did he just name and shame a whole bunch of solid members?
Title: Re: FAO Admin: Can repeat scammers be stopped?
Post by: nuyt on November 21, 2012, 03:52 am
wow did he just name and shame a whole bunch of solid members?

Gonna have to read up on this drama. If you were to combine The Housewives of Orange County with those text-based video games from the 70s, you'd have SR forums. lol crazy stuff
Title: Re: FAO Admin: Can repeat scammers be stopped?
Post by: pluraver on November 21, 2012, 03:55 am
It's disturbing to me that people like this guy even exist.  There's no pride in stealing peoples' hard-earned money.
Title: Re: FAO Admin: Can repeat scammers be stopped?
Post by: Navar42 on November 21, 2012, 04:11 am
We'll see what is the truth once those members chime in. He is a scammer who ha been around for while and somewhat knew what he was doing. Shouldn't be too hard to make up a somewhat believable plot that legit people from the community were in on it. Though I will be keeping my eye on this. A shitstorm is on its way lol....
Title: Re: FAO Admin: Can repeat scammers be stopped?
Post by: deivoxcarnal on November 21, 2012, 05:17 am
That's the problem with anonymity I guess.
You're always gonna have assholes like this if they have the ability to get away with it.
Without the protection of escrow this formula doesn't work.
Title: Re: FAO Admin: Can repeat scammers be stopped?
Post by: springseed23 on November 21, 2012, 05:34 am
Oh yeah I should add - he is apparently going to buy himself a house by scamming people on Silk Road. There must be a way to prevent him coming back?

WEll, actually yea!!!   Bigger scams than this guy----Tony76 he got enough to buy a house land outrirght.

This guys was not even that good, HE HAS ANOTHER ACCOUNT -------Ripping people off for coke LetGoOfYourEgo
Title: Re: FAO Admin: Can repeat scammers be stopped?
Post by: Navar42 on November 21, 2012, 06:08 am
No fucking way really? I was his first customer. Ordered a gram of speed, even FE'd for extra seeing as it was an amount of cash I could lose. And well the transaction went flawlessly. Sad to hear they are one and the same. Scrum.

EDIT: Think it would help if I changed my feedback on his profile to a 1/5 and explain the situation with him in the fedback? I feel like doing it, but I am indecisive as fuck.
Title: Re: FAO Admin: Can repeat scammers be stopped?
Post by: Bottrop on November 21, 2012, 10:10 am
What's that safety measure used on SR called again???? HHmmm I cant remember... something like ESCROW!!!?? If it weren't for people FEing these scammers wouldn't exist.

You are right of course. The problem is that some honest sellers ask for FE as well. My weapon of choice is #4 Heroin and there isn't an abundance of it on the road so if a #4 seller demands FE, has good stats, has good reviews and has good forum feedback I'll take the risk. In fact since getting ripped by jondoe777 I have FE'd with another seller on some #4. This guy seems to be on the level and I have had a few recommendations for him from other buyers (unless they are all one person...!) 

The only way to properly end it is if FEing was not possible after your first 10 buys or whatever it is. After that you are unable to FE. To be honest Ive never had anything in escrow for so long until a resoloution needs to take place....what actually happens? Do you just get the money back? Doesn't it fuck with your buyer stats?

And jondoe777 is still sending me messages about all the shit he's gonna buy and how he earns more money than me etc.

Bizarre. 
Title: Re: FAO Admin: Can repeat scammers be stopped?
Post by: müslix on November 21, 2012, 10:41 am
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=64168.0

BTW, did anyone notice this thread?  It's a long-time user endorsing jondoe777, but it's the only positive endorsement I could find; the rest of the threads are just people like us talking about being scammed.  Just thought this was kinda a weird find.

There are two reasons I can think of for this:

a.) The reviewer has a tie into the scam project, whether a percentage or created the account themselves knowing how to use SR to their advantage

OR

b.) jondoe777 is using selective non-scamming. A lot of people on the forums have the same username on the marketplace. If you get a good order from a vet, the best a scammer can do is actually complete the order and give top notch service. Why? Because then the vet will vouch to the community, and people will run to the vendor with money in hand.

Just a couple thoughts.

I genuinely LOL'ed at that. I go with option c) scammer has one trillion fake/shill/wtf accounts. Why pay someone for that shit? Also "longtime user" is no accomplishment haha. Damn you guys really make it too easy for all the jondoes.

+1 for jondoe reporting back, but I do believe he is a troll, not a real scammer.

I have more news for the community: scammers don't get banned. they already have a new account ready way before anyone ever thinks of scam. All scammers I can think of in the last 6 months are still here. I have no proof ofc but sometimes it's so fuckin' obvious, it really hurts. And I don't even mean AA, lol.
Title: Re: FAO Admin: Can repeat scammers be stopped?
Post by: nola747 on November 21, 2012, 03:06 pm
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=64168.0

BTW, did anyone notice this thread?  It's a long-time user endorsing jondoe777, but it's the only positive endorsement I could find; the rest of the threads are just people like us talking about being scammed.  Just thought this was kinda a weird find.

There are two reasons I can think of for this:

a.) The reviewer has a tie into the scam project, whether a percentage or created the account themselves knowing how to use SR to their advantage

OR

b.) jondoe777 is using selective non-scamming. A lot of people on the forums have the same username on the marketplace. If you get a good order from a vet, the best a scammer can do is actually complete the order and give top notch service. Why? Because then the vet will vouch to the community, and people will run to the vendor with money in hand.

Just a couple thoughts.

I genuinely LOL'ed at that. I go with option c) scammer has one trillion fake/shill/wtf accounts. Why pay someone for that shit? Also "longtime user" is no accomplishment haha. Damn you guys really make it too easy for all the jondoes.

+1 for jondoe reporting back, but I do believe he is a troll, not a real scammer.

I have more news for the community: scammers don't get banned. they already have a new account ready way before anyone ever thinks of scam. All scammers I can think of in the last 6 months are still here. I have no proof ofc but sometimes it's so fuckin' obvious, it really hurts. And I don't even mean AA, lol.

Muslix,

Perhaps you did not read what I wrote very thoroughly: it was a LONG-TIME user.  That is, that user has something the in ballpark of 150 posts and is very active on the forum.  That's not the typical, recently-set-up shell account. 

Now, i could certainly be a shell that's been allowed do exist and shit here any say good things about a scammer before he strikes, but in that case, that person needs to be banned as well.

Finally, what do you mean +1 to jondoe?  You support this guy?  What the fuck are you talking about, "he's a troll, not a real scammer"?  I'm pretty sure he just "really" scammed a shitload of money off of me and a bunch of other people on SR, including the OP of this thread, and he's plainly admitted he's been scamming SR members for months and months, has tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars from it, etc.  If you call that trolling, then I'm pretty sure you're a "shell" yourself.

At any rate, what this joke says is true; it seems that scammers really don't get banned; they just lose their vendor status, get to pay again for a vendor license with a new account, and keep it going.  a bit of greed going on from several parties here, eh?  I guess you can't expect much more than this in the world of the black market, but on the other hand, some people are normal folks who work hard and choose to spend some of their money on a particular chemical that works for them...  There's no reason business in that regard can't be civil..  i pay, you give item, shake hands, we're off..   SR works like that most of the time but if the scales tip too much towards scammers like this guy, there won't be much of a point to it.
Title: Re: FAO Admin: Can repeat scammers be stopped?
Post by: OnePotMama on November 21, 2012, 05:35 pm
The road has taken a dark turn when people start encouraging scammers, whether its $1 or $1000.
Title: Re: FAO Admin: Can repeat scammers be stopped?
Post by: müslix on November 22, 2012, 11:01 am
Muslix,

Perhaps you did not read what I wrote very thoroughly: it was a LONG-TIME user.  That is, that user has something the in ballpark of 150 posts and is very active on the forum.  That's not the typical, recently-set-up shell account. 

Now, i could certainly be a shell that's been allowed do exist and shit here any say good things about a scammer before he strikes, but in that case, that person needs to be banned as well.

Finally, what do you mean +1 to jondoe?  You support this guy?  What the fuck are you talking about, "he's a troll, not a real scammer"?  I'm pretty sure he just "really" scammed a shitload of money off of me and a bunch of other people on SR, including the OP of this thread, and he's plainly admitted he's been scamming SR members for months and months, has tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars from it, etc.  If you call that trolling, then I'm pretty sure you're a "shell" yourself.

At any rate, what this joke says is true; it seems that scammers really don't get banned; they just lose their vendor status, get to pay again for a vendor license with a new account, and keep it going.  a bit of greed going on from several parties here, eh?  I guess you can't expect much more than this in the world of the black market, but on the other hand, some people are normal folks who work hard and choose to spend some of their money on a particular chemical that works for them...  There's no reason business in that regard can't be civil..  i pay, you give item, shake hands, we're off..   SR works like that most of the time but if the scales tip too much towards scammers like this guy, there won't be much of a point to it.
To avoid confusion, I was talking about a shill http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shill , ie someone other than the vendor who continuously gives (false) positive feedback. Vendor and shill can obviously be the same person.

I encouraged the "taking responsibility" (in quotes due to lack of better term) on here, hence +1 *for reporting back*. I haven't seen a "real" scammer doing that. By real scammer I mean someone whose scam had a noticeable impact. Tony76 for example, I never knew this guy existed (I am in Europe) until he went scammer, but he apparently really took some big amounts, same with Noriega - I don't do Coke, but I have heard of his scam.

This jondoe probably got away with a few 100 bucks for a new xbox and is now exaggerating and bragging on here. At least that's the impression I had, so he is not in the league of a Tony76 or a Noriega, therefore not a "real" scammer, trolling about his "success". Did anyone of the "successful" guys ever come back to brag about what they did?




Saying I encourage scammers is somewhat funny as I did my fair share of exposing some. MrFireUK being the latest (and the last). He got a speed sample lab tested at 92%, linked the lab result in the listings and selectively scammed a ton of users. Good strategy basically, immediately results in fights among the users which of them is right about the purity. I still posted a review claiming it's only 30% at best (happened to be correct) shortly after the 92% lab test was published. You can look all that shit up in the speed thread. Doing this, not falling for the vendor BS and claiming it's a scam is extremely unpopular. Got me like -20 karma. I was called a liar, MrFireUK even claimed I was working for the competition (one of my arguments was to try competitors as well and make up your own mind). Some users who selectively received better speed, took FireUK's side, believing his story that everyone is just jealous. Someone came up with the idea to compare pictures of the received product. Good one, as it showed some wide variety of different powders. FireUK claimed that all those 10 or so were faked by the competition.

Obvious scam? yes, but no one gave a shit. Complete pain in the ass to argue with users who are convinced that the whole world turned against their favorite vendor and defend him at all cost, ignoring every fact. At that point I gave up, why "protect" such people? And that was weeks before the real scamming happened.

I still couldn't resist posting my honest, but negative opinion in the vendor thread. Immediately got trolled so I kept counter-trolling out of fun, that's when shit hit the fan and finally people showed up reporting the weirdest shit. One guy was buying 100g speed (out of escrow, just sent BTC to FireUK) and it hadn't arrived wondering if he got scammed. About that time I changed my mind and I do believe now some people actually deserve to be scammed. I received quite a few messages from people claiming their gear looks like my pic and it's crap quality just as mine. I advised every one to shut up and try to get a refund because they are not happy with the product. Seemed to work for at least a few. That's the only thing I would consider a success during this whole drama. Soon after that real lab results started showing up (I was only off by 1%), rules about FE and refund got pretty unreasonable, people still bought like crazy until he went rogue with all the money.

I knew the minute I inspected my sample order that something was off. I saw miles away what would happen. No one believed me, it was a huge pain in the ass. I am not gonna do that again. Not worth it. I even claim MrFireUK is back again selling on SR. I don't give a shit anymore. Maybe it's gonna happen all over again. And probably the same people who stood by their favorite vendor because he's a nice guy until their money was gone, will get scammed again. I am out of sympathy for such people.

What did you guys do to prevent scams lately?!
Title: Re: FAO Admin: Can repeat scammers be stopped?
Post by: RadioDog on November 26, 2012, 12:23 am
What's that safety measure used on SR called again???? HHmmm I cant remember... something like ESCROW!!!?? If it weren't for people FEing these scammers wouldn't exist.

You are right of course. The problem is that some honest sellers ask for FE as well. My weapon of choice is #4 Heroin and there isn't an abundance of it on the road so if a #4 seller demands FE, has good stats, has good reviews and has good forum feedback I'll take the risk. In fact since getting ripped by jondoe777 I have FE'd with another seller on some #4. This guy seems to be on the level and I have had a few recommendations for him from other buyers (unless they are all one person...!) 

The only way to properly end it is if FEing was not possible after your first 10 buys or whatever it is. After that you are unable to FE. To be honest Ive never had anything in escrow for so long until a resoloution needs to take place....what actually happens? Do you just get the money back? Doesn't it fuck with your buyer stats?

And jondoe777 is still sending me messages about all the shit he's gonna buy and how he earns more money than me etc.

Bizarre.
Yeah, that post was maybe a little too heated lol. I FE for vendors if I absolutely have to and I've purchased from them before and I feel comfortable enough doing it. But I was one of the newbies who got caught up in that DeathB4Dishonor shit when he first started pushing H, and even though he eventually came through (somewhat), I got a good firsthand taste of how the escrow system protects me.
Title: Re: FAO Admin: Can repeat scammers be stopped?
Post by: technopium on November 26, 2012, 03:58 am
I read on these forums everyday about people getting scammed.  Usually it is for BTC->MP or speed, coke or H.  I myself will NEVER FE for over $100.  That does limit me on what I can buy from SOME people, but not the mostly honest ones who allow escrow.  There are still some good ones I have seen that only accept FE, but the chance is ALWAYS there that they can walk away at any time and then create a new account when they feel like it and start all over again. 
  I read about people fe'ing for $500, 1000, someone even lost 12K recently and they all got taken.  This happens on the SR everyday people.  It sucks and only YOU can prevent it.   
Title: Re: FAO Admin: Can repeat scammers be stopped?
Post by: SelfSovereignty on November 26, 2012, 08:42 am
Quote from: müslix
I changed my mind and I do believe now some people actually deserve to be scammed.

That's fucking ridiculous.  I can only assume that you're bitter -- albeit justifiably -- and are letting that influence your conclusion.  No one asked to be born with a certain IQ, we all just ended up with the brains we've got, more or less.

To say someone *deserves* to be scammed for being an idiot is like saying you *deserve* to be eaten by a shark because in the water, it's a far superior animal.  Don't go into the water with a hungry shark then?  Yeah, probably a good idea, but there's that intellect thing again.  You have it, but you didn't really do any work to obtain it.  Not education, IQ -- capacity to analyze the situation and say, "yeah, this looks bad; I'm gonna pass."  Some people do that well naturally.  Others are terrible judges of social interaction and really just don't have a fucking clue because they have a disorder like Asperger syndrome or something.

You didn't ask to be born almost defenseless against a great white, and "idiots" didn't ask to be born equally ill-equipped to properly judge complicated interaction.  That doesn't mean they didn't work just as hard for their money.  If you think about it, society is based largely on individual interaction -- so they probably get paid less and worked even harder for it because people like you think it's their fault that their brain is malformed.

If you meant you don't care enough to try and talk some sense into them, then be honest with yourself and say that.  But don't try and protect your ego or conscience by pretending they deserve what they get and aren't worthy of your help.
Title: Re: FAO Admin: Can repeat scammers be stopped?
Post by: capealava on December 17, 2012, 11:23 am
Anyone dealt    deathb4dishonor lately??? I got 20 hrs until auto FE. No product has reached me?? Of course I will click resolve before Auto FE. I have sent him 2 pm and no response. To cheap to be true Maybe
Title: Re: FAO Admin: Can repeat scammers be stopped?
Post by: Razorspyne on December 17, 2012, 01:35 pm
What's that safety measure used on SR called again???? HHmmm I cant remember... something like ESCROW!!!?? If it weren't for people FEing these scammers wouldn't exist.

This ^.

The only way to stop this is to disallow finalizing early entirely - just not even make it an option to finalize before a set amount of days have transpired.

Sorry for your losses.

And this ^.

Sorry to the people who got scammed, and especially those for whom the vendor can around to brag to them about getting scammed. That's just bullshit! What an asshole! It's not much, but I'm going to add something to by forum sig about never FE'ing. I'd suggest everyone do the same. In the month+ I've been a member, I know that it's been all the longer standing members who make it a point to caution people against FE'ing that brought me around to decide to never FE. I think getting the buying community to rally around 'never FEing' would be more effective in stopping the scamming that trying to lobby the admins to take the FE option off the table altogether. Of course, people that don't visit the forums would still leave themselves open to getting scammed, but at least it could cut down somewhat on the customer base of people willing to deal with vendors that require FE.

AND this ^.

That's the problem with anonymity I guess.
You're always gonna have assholes like this if they have the ability to get away with it.
Without the protection of escrow this formula doesn't work.

Not to mention this ^.

As for this....

+1 for jondoe reporting back, but I do believe he is a troll, not a real scammer.

No mate, he's both. And you should give him -100 Karma, not +1. And as for this....

I encouraged the "taking responsibility" (in quotes due to lack of better term) on here, hence +1 *for reporting back*.

I disagree.... he's not being responsible, he's flaunting his scam because he has a small penis and this is the only way he can pretend it isn't.

As for this....

I haven't seen a "real" scammer doing that.

Well, now you have.

Quote from: müslix
I changed my mind and I do believe now some people actually deserve to be scammed.

That's fucking ridiculous.

Damn straight. For what it's worth .....

Not education, IQ -- capacity to analyze the situation and say, "yeah, this looks bad; I'm gonna pass."

....is good advice.
Some people do that well naturally. 

....Like those who don't FE. If I vended, I wouldn't ask you to. Piece out. Drive safely. Watch out for guys with small dicks (ie; johnjoe).