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Market => Rumor mill => Topic started by: anonsr12 on November 03, 2012, 05:16 pm
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http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/index.php/silkroad/item/62806edf01
why the fuck do people sell cyanide on this website. This is the kind of shit that will get Silk Road shut down.
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if (or when) someone uses the cyanide to hurt other people they are going to destroy this beloved web site.
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Why do people sell anything that can be administered in a fatal dose?
For it's -other- uses.
I am pretty sure that cyanide has zero recreational or therapeutic uses. Are you just being sarcastic? Like how people say they are buying research chemicals for plant food?
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ARE U GUYS KIDDING ME??
you can buy crack and heroin and meth on here..
wtf u so supprised for.. yeah i agree it shouldnt be on here but fuck what do u expect?
a guy can go smoke some meth and rape and kill a women .. think about it ..
the cops already want this down.. cyanide is not the SINGLE THING that is getting this shut down if it ever happens witch i doubt
but yeah its prolly a cop that has that listing and will raid the house that they order to
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if (or when) someone uses the cyanide to hurt other people they are going to destroy this beloved web site.
Are you being serious right now? I'm pretty sure the drugs were enough to make haters want to hate, and we're still here.
Everyone reading this, learn to be responsible for yourselves! Everything has responsible use and abuse potential! If you want to limit the choices of others who would use KCN for, say, -anything- besides murder, you're thinking in the same patterns as the people who want this site shut down.
I am not concerned about LE. What bothers me is that a listing for a chemical which is only used to harm others is against the rules on SR. The administrators do not want anything used to harm or defraud others being sold on here, and I feel the same way.
Yes, alcohol and other substances can be linked to murder, rape, etc...but they are not directly responsible in most cases. Cyanide (please correct me if I am wrong) is a only ever used as a poison.
People can give me negative Karma until the cows come home. I really don't care, I am going to voice my opinion. Just because we sell and buy drugs it does NOT mean we have lost all of our morals and are OK with murder. That is ridiculous. Maybe some of you feel like it is cool to be some kind of glorified gangster and you want to live your life like a character from Goodfellas or Boardwalk Empire. Well fine, good for you. Drugs are not synonymous with violence, murder and depravity. You picked that lifestyle, don't blame it on the drugs. I don't want to judge anyone, but don't try and tell me that selling a narcotic is anywhere close to as atrocious as murder.
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I am not concerned about LE. What bothers me is that a listing for a chemical which is only used to harm others is against the rules on SR. The administrators do not want anything used to harm or defraud others being sold on here, and I feel the same way.
Yes, alcohol and other substances can be linked to murder, rape, etc...but they are not directly responsible in most cases. Cyanide (please correct me if I am wrong) is a only ever used as a poison.
People can give me negative Karma until the cows come home. I really don't care, I am going to voice my opinion. Just because we sell and buy drugs it does NOT mean we have lost all of our morals and are OK with murder. That is ridiculous. Maybe some of you feel like it is cool to be some kind of glorified gangster and you want to live your life like a character from Goodfellas or Boardwalk Empire. Well fine, good for you. Drugs are not synonymous with violence, murder and depravity. You picked that lifestyle, don't blame it on the drugs. I don't want to judge anyone, but don't try and tell me that selling a narcotic is anywhere close to as atrocious as murder.
Did I say I was okay with murder? No, the idea that I would be is laughable. Love and life are more sacred to me than anything.
Did you do a google search for non-lethal uses of cyanide before spouting off? Noooope. You can certainly voice an uneducated opinion but it's still uneducated.
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I wasn't directing the comment at you personally.
I don't want to do a google search for Cyanide, I would rather not do any research on it, even with Tor. That is why I said please correct me if I am wrong.
Why would someone risk buying something like that for a legitimate reason? If something less expensive and less incriminating will do the same? I am sure you COULD use it for other things. Why you would want to access Silk Road and pay anonymously in Bitcoins to do so and have a deadly poison in your household is just beyond me. I am guessing you could use it to kill insects, but you could hire a pest control company for $70.
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There is plenty of practical uses for cyanide, I'm not going to explain them, search for yourselves. You can even look at the listing they offer a hand full of practical uses on it.
For the people saying when someone uses this for harm sr will get more attention. Hate to break it to you but this place is getting that attention selling cyanide or not.
Also, let me show you why your logic is flawed. What's to stop that same person that was buying cyanide for harm to lets say, buy fetanyl powder (which is active in the microgram) and use that for harm instead of using something more accessible like a knife? Nothing, at all. In the end the same repercussion will follow if the person used cyanide or another substance to accomplish the same goal. This is more of a moral thing, that's all.
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Yes it is a moral thing. There are also plenty of substitutes which are safer and work just as well as cyanide.
Here is an excerpt from an article from 1991 that states there is no reason to handle cyanide or use it for any purposes.
http://www.chicagoartistsresource.org/node/9276
Any cyanide solution can produce the deadly hydrogen cyanide gas when exposed to acid. In addition to the acute effects of hydrogen cyanide gas, chronic (long-term) effects exist and may have contributed to this fatality. There is evidence of reduced brain function, brain lesions, and Parkinson-like symptoms from chronic low level exposure to hydrogen cyanide, symptoms that all result from reduced oxygen supply to the brain.
Cyanide Substitutes
There is no reason to use cyanide for cleaning jewelry or other metals since alternatives do exist. Either acid pickling solutions or Sparex can do the same job. They may not be as fast but are not as deadly, although they still require precautions. (With strong acids, precautions include personal protective equipment such as safety glasses with side guards or goggles (no contact lenses), acid-resistant gloves, and access to an eye wash station and a safety shower.)
We have been investigating alternatives to cyanide-based products for electroplating or electroforming of gold and silver. The benefits of cyanide-free processes are twofold. First, there is not the immediate threat to life as described above. Second, the only EPA-approved disposal of cyanide waste is incineration. The proper waste disposal of cyanide generated from processes make them prohibitively expensive. Stored cyanide salts can also be a potential hazard if heated or inadvertently exposed to acid. Jewelry makers and metal workers should not use any cyanide-based processes.
The electroplating industry has alternatives for gold and silver electroplating. Jewelry makers need to switch over to these methods. One of the practical alternatives to cyanide-based methods for silver electroplating uses a silver succinimide, which was developed and marketed by Technic Inc. in Providence, RI (its trade name is Silver Cy-less).
For gold electroplating, industry is using a methodology that is based on gold sulfites. One product line of interest is the Techni Gold plating system from Technic Inc. If treated with acid or heated, sulfur dioxide will be released, but this is much less toxic than hydrogen cyanide.
Certain products advertised as "cyanide-free" do not contain free sodium cyanide but contain potassium cyanoaurate. Exposure to acid or heating will liberate the deadly hydrogen cyanide. The only way be certain about a product is to get the Material Safety Data Sheets (MSDS). The reactivity section is particularly telling for cyanide-based products because of the warnings about exposure to acid or heat and the release of hydrogen cyanide.
In conclusion, there are possible alternatives to cyanide-based processes for electroplating gold and silver. There are also adequate existing methods to replace sodium cyanide for metal and jewelry cleaning. These alternatives would prevent needless deaths such as the one reported above. We would appreciate feedback from artists on their experience using the cyanide-free methods.
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Hey, if you guys know of a better way to achieve that cyanide-blue tint on my bronze sculptures, I'd LOVE to hear about it. Until then, I'll continue ordering my five grams every two weeks. (Yes, there's also a five gram listing.)
In all seriousness, I think cyanide is just below anthrax on my list of substances I wouldn't be caught dead receiving. But whatever floats your boat. Say hi to Bradley Manning for me!
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dunno what to say.. that for the free advertising..
somebody will get some unexpected cookies soon..... muhahahaahahah...
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OP - You do understand that it is a perfectly legal chemical to purchase and possess and it has many uses.
There are things you can get OTC at the drugstore that will kill just as easily let alone all the other non legal things available??
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I think this thread is better suited for the philosophy forum.
If substances that are used only to harm others are prohibited from sale, then cyanide seems like a good candidate for prohibition. It just depends on where SR draws the line on legitimate utility.
But let's be honest. This isn't the only lethal substance on SR. The notion that it will single-handedly lead to the downfall of SR is a bit extreme.
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OP - You do understand that it is a perfectly legal chemical to purchase and possess and it has many uses.
There are things you can get OTC at the drugstore that will kill just as easily let alone all the other non legal things available??
Yeah it's technically legal, but I can assure that no one's here is buying cyanide so they can "clean impurities from gold and silver". For all intents and purposes, there really ISN'T a practical use for it and for you to suggest otherwise is completely delusional.
If law enforcement found a cyanide stash on you, you can bet they'll be asking you what you plan on doing with it. While it may be "legal", people have received prison sentences for it in the past and if you can't come up with a believable answer, expect some serious ramifications.
I won't go into the morality of the listings as that's ultimately DPR's call, but I think it's an unwise move from a purely economic perspective. Pirate moved the sale of weapons to another site because he knew it wasn't worth the negative media attention it brought with it, the same reason why nobody on here sells CP. Besides of the moral quandaries they raise, they both just aren't financially worth the hassle (further witnessed with the Armory's shutdown).
For obvious reasons, Dread Pirate is going to make very little money from the sale of cyanide. For that, his site will be under even more scrutiny from the media and LE (Ah yes, I can almost read the headlines now: "The Silk Road - Has is Killed YOUR Child Yet?!" ) Yeah, totally worth it.
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Providing access to drugs has its basis in freedom of choice, right? Don't we all subscribe to the belief that it's immoral, unethical, and outright unacceptable to restrict someone's freedom so long as they don't interfere with anyone else also making their own choices? So long as it doesn't hinder another's self sovereignty, I sincerely believe a person should be able to do anything. And I do mean fucking anything.
Cyanide, as far as I know, is an extremely fast, almost painless way to cause death. Suicide is a difficult thing to accomplish, believe it or not. Even disregarding a healthy person's right to choose to die, what about terminally ill patients living in places where assisted suicide isn't an option? I'm willing to bet it's both hard and terribly unpleasant to try overdosing on morphine or the like when you're already vomiting your guts up from terminal cancer, etc. There are perfectly reasonable uses for cyanide even as a poison. Sure it can be misused. So can guns. So can a butter knife, for Christ's sake. It's up to individuals not to misuse it. Same as any drug.
Now if somebody tried to sell weapons grade enriched uranium, even I don't think we (the general public) should have access to that... but short of weapons of mass destruction, the more choices the better, I say.