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Market => Product offers => Topic started by: The Red Hippogriff on September 17, 2012, 07:14 am
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Hi folks. I have lurked here for a long time and been planning on becoming a vendor for a few months now. I'm just now at the point that I'm getting in to product production. I'm making several kilos of methamphetamine by means of p2p reduction. I have multiple kilograms now of all the necessary precursors and am getting set up finally for actual production. I anticipate offering the first product with 2 - 3 weeks from now, depending how quickly everything goes and how soon I can get the hang of GPG and bitcoins.
I'd like to share a bit about myself. I'm not actually a chemist by trade, my undergrad is in Accounting, and I work in retail management. Over the past couple years I've literally taught myself chemistry in order to produce small quantities of drugs for myself and friends. I've preciously made small batches of mdma, under a half ounce at a time and so this is my first big time try. Advanced chemistry is not my core competence, and I have learned a lot by trial and error. I'm confident in my ability to produce this meth, it is much simpler than mdma, which I have successfully synthesized before. I want to offer a chemically pure product and will do everything in my ability to ensure high quality at a low price. I plan on selling grams for around $65 each and staying fully withing the escrow system in order to establish trust and build a strong reputation in this community.
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Right on let me know when its crystal...
Peace
Hilly
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Good for you. I like the 65 a g thing. Makes me feel better about buying ice when it is not priced crazy high.
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Dude, if you pull through like you say, with the prices and staying in escrow.. You are gonna be on the tip of A LOT of people's tongues around here.
That's real talk.
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Yes sir. This is real talk. It's also real action. I started with 35 kilograms of benzyl cyanide, obtained by subterfuge with a fake id. About ten has been converted to phenylacetoacetonitrile so far, with more loss than anticipated, and I've got about half a quart right now of p2p that I made to be sure I had the correct intermediate. Besides the melting point test I wanted to be sure that I had the correct intermediate by making the next product. I'm making the HgCl2 tonight. I have a good supply of hexamine to make my methylamine with. Limiting factors right now are time to work without my room mate finding out what I'm up to and having a job besides. After the first big batch of production if I can sell it on here I'd like to quit my job and do this full time, and of course get a better and more secure working place. I'd like to eventually experiment with other drugs as well as I've really taking a love of chemistry. I've done all kinds of goofy experiments to master lab skills before trying them on more hazardous reactions or risk wasting important precursors, and I find I actually enjoy them, even silly things like hot ice or making luminol. lol All in all I'm pretty confident that I'll have a strong supply of a very pure methamphetamine. And purity is very important to me too. I take the time to purify my chemicals at each step. For one thing if something doesn't work I'd like to be able to rule out contamination as the cause, and in the case of the final product, I'd take a lot of personal pride as being known as having the best.
Faithfully yours, The Red Hippogriff
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This is pretty badass. Good for you. I cannot wait to try your final product. I don't believe anyone has offered p2p MA yet, at least not admittidly so. I know that a demand is there for it, or any form of pure MA for that matter. Some of the old school forum members and authors out there speak highly of it and prefer it (racemic p2p MA) over straight d-meth. I'm looking forward to seeing where I stand.
A couple ideas I'd like to float.your way given your mountain of precursor and fondness of experimentation:
Consider offering pure d-meth in addition to your racemic stock. There is no question about individual preferences that exist. You should be able to precipitate the d-meth fraction using (iirc) d-tartrate (it's on the rhodium archive in many places if you aren't already familiar with what I'm.refering to). Obviosly it would require a little more time and effort, but you coule easily make it worth your time by charging more (easily $150\g). That way you can satisfy all tastes withe the absolute finest of both types of MA. Either way your going to do very well. You'd absolutrely dominate ifsource you could offer both. And if you are able to source 35kg p2p, you can likely simplify things and get some ephedrine/pseudoephedrine go approach d-meth that way instead, should you do so. :)
Consider offering amphetamine as well. You have everything you need to tap into that market as well. And like MA, offering pure d-amp would be extremely lucrative and a first for SR. I'd LOVE to see either form of pure amphetamine.
I don't remember if for sure if p2p can be used to produce psychadelic amphetamines, phenethylamines, etc. (ie- form MP2P?) but mescaline would be absolutely incredible to see as.well. As would 2cb, MDA, or anything else that is scarce, overpriced, or not available.
Just some food for thought. I'm sure these ideas have crossed your mind as well.
In any case, what you are doing is fantastic. I'll be watching for your listings! All the best.
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Thank you for those suggestions. I would like to eventually compete in the psychedelic marketplace. Similar thought have crossed my mind but are and will remain for now, pipe dreams. I'm concentrating for now on producing a high purity meth. That will be for some time, my core competence and the are I most want to compete in. I've read a lot about the dl vs d meth discussion, on several forums and in print. The consensus seems to be that d-meth is more potent but also harsher and more jittery. Until now, I believe that's all I've tried, so I also can't yet compare it to the dl variation either. I have read that in Australia for instance, dl (p2p reduced) meth fetches three times the price of d-meth and is regarded as the "champagne of meth". So I'm not particularly concerned at this time with offering a d meth product. I'm more focused on getting my labor completed and bringing it here to market right now. I do not have access to ephedrine or pseudoephedrine in bulk and would frankly be fearful of trying to source it. I spun quite the back story to source my benzyl cyanide and went to extreme lengths to ensure that the paper trail would lead to a dead end, should there ever be an investigation. And that's just for a small lot of a watched industrial chemical, not even a pharmaceutical product. If I were to get ephedrine I'd be buying it one box of pills at a time like all the junkies and small time cooks do. It would be too much work for too little product and too little reward for the risk.
In my estimation the biggest markets on this site are marijuana by far, and then speedy drugs, ecstasy, pharmaceuticals, psychedelics, and such make up smaller but substantial markets. After I get on my feet with the meth business I'd of course like to expand my offerings to compete in the other arenas. The availability of precursors, my personal capabilities in the related chemistry, and what I perceive as the potential briskness of sales will be my determining factor in how to expand. I also would like a mescalin product. I tried it once several years ago. I ordered a foot and a half length of peruvian torch cactus and enjoyed it immensely, although it was a mild color enhancing trip and not the full effect. I'd definitely like to try a full dose someday. But back to the topic at hand... I don't know what area exactly I'll try to compete in next but the ecstasy category seems like the most natural fit, but it is far from certain and I don't want to let myself get carried away with daydreams. It's the here and now I'm focused on, and I'm confident I'll be competitive in the speedy drugs category.
Faithfully yours, The Red Hippogriff
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Walt? is that you?.... ::)
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Dude put me down. I will pay double FUK.... TRIPLE to jump to the head of the line :)
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I guess only time will tell if he's legit and if he is he better ship internationally!
I'd be keen to pay a little more for the international product.
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in. ship to aus?
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yes.. i too would pay more for international shipping! please ship worldwide like the other bestselling vendors on SR. you are the talk of the town right now, my friend. we beg you to CONFIRM that you'll ship international because that is where the big coin is at. 95% of the people replying to this thread are international heads.
also, since you are loving this so much why not look into 4-mar?
either way .. you'll be TEH SHITz on the road, darling!
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Hippo, I would highly advise against detailing ANY information about your operation. The only thing you are doing is feeding the DEA beast. Synthesize the product, sell it and leave it at that. Details beyond purity are not needed and only increases attraction to you. Otherwise, good luck in your ventures!
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i wish someone on SR would also sell precursors individually. for example rp powder ready to go in a small baggie. i2 in a small vial.
pure Ephedrine is already easily available on the road, which is fucking GREAT!!
thats it .. we need 2 solid vendors for those 2 PRECURSORS: i2 ready to pour into a flask, and red phosphorus ready to dump into a flask.
i don't think it would be too hard for someone to get their hands on these 2 precursors and they would sell nicely to people who want to cook very very small amounts for their personal use ONLY. also maybe another separate vendor for small flat bottom flasks.
only (BIG) problem is being able to trust that the seller is not LE setting up a sting to nab "cooks".
but there are other legitimate LEGAL uses for i2 and rp. and i would imagine a vendor selling only 1 of these items could theoretically put a disclaimer stating : only for legal purposes.
i just checked and found 1 vendor selling RP only within australia. what about a vendor for i2? i know that is the easiest part of the whole process but would be nice to have that option as well!
so to sum this shit up.. we need more listings in the precursors section of SR geared towards people that want to cook very small batches (like max 3g) for personal use ONLY. i think actually we just need RED PHOSPHORUS vendors that ship worldwide.
sorry to hijack thread. i was just broadcasting a brainfart idea .. i don't expect any replies. the spotlight is on HIPPO. i'll be fourth in line right after toejammer, lebotbahn and hilly.
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Although i'd love to see this come into fruition.. have to call bullshit here.. You say you will make kilos of meth via p2p without doing even a small trial run? you are that confident? If you pull this off ill be the first in line..but many claim on the forums they will do this or that..... we shall see.... best of luck to you....
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i'd love to see it, but let's not forget how everything else on SR that seemed to good to be true ended....
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For inquiring minds, it looks like it'll be about 10-12 days to put up my listing, rather than the two or three weeks I mentioned earlier. I do plan on shipping international, but only small amounts such as a couple or few grams at a time or split into multiple envelopes and shipped over several days, until I get a strong stealth shipping method figured out. I've heard that Aussie customs are particularly difficult to slip by. I'm of the opinion that standard business mail is the least scrutinized.
AnimusVox, I'm proud to distribute a product that is 100% USA made. It will have never passed through the hands of a violent criminal, gang member, or terrorist. It's also time we brought good paying manufacturing jobs back to the US instead of shipping them south of the border, imo. Besides the info on how I'm making meth the DEA has no way to know what is intentional obfuscation and what is good intel. It is always a tricky issue on how to advertise an illegal business. A friend of my family when I was growing up was a bookmaker who did most of his business in football season (American football) and he ran in to that problem too. He said the best advertising was to go in to the place where someone worked and count out $100 bills for them where everyone could see. He'd gain a lot of new customers that way. I don't think I'd be so daring. I am a cautious person in real life and I have not broken the golden rule of tell no one, at least not in real life.
ornge, pure iodine can be harvested from gallon jugs of betadine solution. There are some youtube videos demonstrating how to do it. Red phosphorus is available in micro quantities from united nuclear under their elemental coin category. I'm sure it would be under a gram and the price outrageous for it, but if that's what you want and all you need then it'll be worth it to you.
DigitalDong, I am confident. If semi-literate incompetent drug addicts can make meth out of cold pills I'm pretty sure I can make it properly using all the correct precursors, reagents, and equipment. The only thing I'm really lacking is a fume hood. Regards
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I'm looking forward to seeing your listings, if you ever need a meth tester, I'm definitely your girl. ;)
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Just be careful guys OP could also be LE anyone here can be. No offence OP you gotta understand this is what the default view of everyone should be.
The big money is not shipping 1 or 2 grams international its shipping weight and I know someone whos partnership with another vendor has collapsed and needs a new source so if you can prove yourself not to be LE, and ship some good stuff and deliver im sure they would be happy to take up a partnership with you and they had some preety effective methods for bypassing customs.
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bencousins please don't discourage the guy regarding shipping small amounts international. i believe if he does his business like mimm or TC, and follows that business model and ships quantity amounts of 1-3g or even less he will make VERY VERY GOOD money.
hippo: i agree. in my opinion love letter or lawyer letter type envelopes (business mail) is best especially for these smaller amounts.
if the product is top notch AND delivers international he could DOMINATE the meth section.
if you notice SR's best selling listings are ALWAYS worldwide. it's a must in my opinion to make big money as a vendor.
like i said before, i would not mind FE'ing if i could receive a tracking # or some sort of confirmation it's 100% on it's way to me.
about the whole LE thing .. only time will tell. i think if he was offering bulk amounts that would be suspect, but he didn't say that.
bottom line, we need GOOD FUCKING METH. so if he can meet that higher STANDARD, he'll do very well.
i'm still skeptical about the whole thing .. but remain optimistic. my inner junkie just wants GOOD FUCKING METH™ so lets make this shit happen asap, hippo.
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bencousins please don't discourage the guy regarding shipping small amounts international. i believe if he does his business like mimm or TC, and follows that business model and ships quantity amounts of 1-3g or even less he will make VERY VERY GOOD money.
hippo: i agree. in my opinion love letter or lawyer letter type envelopes (business mail) is best especially for these smaller amounts.
if the product is top notch AND delivers international he could DOMINATE the meth section.
if you notice SR's best selling listings are ALWAYS worldwide. it's a must in my opinion to make big money as a vendor.
like i said before, i would not mind FE'ing if i could receive a tracking # or some sort of confirmation it's 100% on it's way to me.
about the whole LE thing .. only time will tell. i think if he was offering bulk amounts that would be suspect, but he didn't say that.
bottom line, we need GOOD FUCKING METH. so if he can meet that higher STANDARD, he'll do very well.
i'm still skeptical about the whole thing .. but remain optimistic. my inner junkie just wants GOOD FUCKING METH™ so lets make this shit happen asap, hippo.
Im not discouraging him you just need to think practically from a vendors point of view. how much profit could they possibly make off a 0.25g listing for $20? five? ten dollars. now factor in all the bullshit to ship to another country and its just not worth it. If you wanna order Internationally at least order a quarter O.
BC
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Well Shut me Up AND CALL me Spoonlips!
PriscillaMarie90
gawd damn loooooong time girlfriend!
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To OP/Red Hippo:
Your approach to this sounds very much like that of a well known author & cook.
I'm to hear your thoughts on the crystalization of dl-meth. I've seen conflicting info on topic. Prior to the 90s, backbin the heyday of p2p/prop dope, my understanding was that.crystalline meth was far from comming. It was usually powder meth. Crystal form of meth didn't really come around until the ephedrine/pseudo d-meth era in the 1990s, and prior to.that, smoking.was not commonplace.
The author (Fester) claims that even P2P dl-meth can be made into crystalline smokeable meth via disolving in minimal alcohol and slow.evaporation.
I've seen other reports saying that it can't be done, dl-meth doesnt crystallize.
I haven't found a conclusive conclusive answer and it's been subject of debate herebin the past.
Given the scarcity of P2P, I don't think many actually have the answer, as crystals simply.weren't the goal in the 80s, before this route became.virtually unheard of.
I'm curious what you have to say about this, and what form you anticipate offering your product as (crystal vs. powder). Personally, I could care less, but I'd love to know the answer to these questions once and for all.
Thank you :)
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To OP/Red Hippo:
Your approach to this sounds very much like that of a well known author & cook.
I'm to hear your thoughts on the crystalization of dl-meth. I've seen conflicting info on topic. Prior to the 90s, backbin the heyday of p2p/prop dope, my understanding was that.crystalline meth was far from comming. It was usually powder meth. Crystal form of meth didn't really come around until the ephedrine/pseudo d-meth era in the 1990s, and prior to.that, smoking.was not commonplace.
The author (Fester) claims that even P2P dl-meth can be made into crystalline smokeable meth via disolving in minimal alcohol and slow.evaporation.
I've seen other reports saying that it can't be done, dl-meth doesnt crystallize.
I haven't found a conclusive conclusive answer and it's been subject of debate herebin the past.
Given the scarcity of P2P, I don't think many actually have the answer, as crystals simply.weren't the goal in the 80s, before this route became.virtually unheard of.
I'm curious what you have to say about this, and what form you anticipate offering your product as (crystal vs. powder). Personally, I could care less, but I'd love to know the answer to these questions once and for all.
Thank you :)
so why do shards become shards?
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To OP/Red Hippo:
Your approach to this sounds very much like that of a well known author & cook.
I'm to hear your thoughts on the crystalization of dl-meth. I've seen conflicting info on topic. Prior to the 90s, backbin the heyday of p2p/prop dope, my understanding was that.crystalline meth was far from comming. It was usually powder meth. Crystal form of meth didn't really come around until the ephedrine/pseudo d-meth era in the 1990s, and prior to.that, smoking.was not commonplace.
The author (Fester) claims that even P2P dl-meth can be made into crystalline smokeable meth via disolving in minimal alcohol and slow.evaporation.
I've seen other reports saying that it can't be done, dl-meth doesnt crystallize.
I haven't found a conclusive conclusive answer and it's been subject of debate herebin the past.
Given the scarcity of P2P, I don't think many actually have the answer, as crystals simply.weren't the goal in the 80s, before this route became.virtually unheard of.
I'm curious what you have to say about this, and what form you anticipate offering your product as (crystal vs. powder). Personally, I could care less, but I'd love to know the answer to these questions once and for all.
Thank you :)
so why do shards become shards?
When meth freebase is formed in solvent, it's then "gassed" out with HCl gas bubbled into the solvent. The.freebase meth, which isn't stable or really useable in that form (semi-liquid), forms ionic bonds with the clorine gas. This results in the meth-hcl salt, the solid substance we know.and love. It precipitates out of the solvent as solid crystals or a solid snowy powder.
It.may or may not be further purified by additional recrystallization steps (there are a couple approaches). This isn't always necessary depending on how clean the reaction was.
That's about all I know and I've only seen one source that says dl-meth can be recrystalized from that snowy powder, using alcohol to dissolve it at minimal volumes followed by slow.evaporation.
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I guess only time will tell, probably best for everyone to stop questioning it and just wait and see what happens.
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Can't you turn p2np to p2p?
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orngecapsule, I do not plan on offering tracking numbers at all. I'm not at all comfortable with the idea of getting my face on video surveillance equipment in the post office or private courier drop offs. I plan on using first class mail exclusively and relying on the honesty of purchasers to finalize when they receive their package. As a customer I'd also be hesitant to want to sign my name on a shipment containing contraband. I think that the cost of setting up a drop (fake id documents, a minimum 6 month contract and such) for the purpose of defrauding me would be more than the cost of a small amount of my meth so it wouldn't make practical sense to do so. I also think that once people see the product they'll want more so likewise it would make no sense to try to defraud me and get their supply cut off.
le botbahn, You're referring to Fester's book, I believe. That approach he takes using benzyl cyanide is on page 40 of the 8th edition and I'm well versed in it and other ways. As far as recrystallization goes I don't see why chilarity would affect it. So long as the product is reasonably pure it can be recrystallized without a problem. I don't personally see the whole fascination with big hunks of crystal. I'd guess it has to do with being evidence of at least a certain minimum purity as powder can be very easily adulterated, but then again so could a big crystal if mixed with something else that crystallizes the same way. I planned on selling it in the ICE form, because it seems that's what the market wants these days, marketing and all. Obviously shipments that require more stealth might be delivered in a way that's designed to ensure delivery regardless of physical form.
Ben, I guess we'll wait and see how quickly the business takes off. I can't handle 500 orders a day. But the money is in volume and bulk. High volume covers up a lot of sin. That is, small errors are masked in the financials by the overall income stream, and this applies to any business legal or otherwise. There are two kinds of drug dealers. The ones that need a forklift and the ones who don't.
Faithfully yours, The Red Hippogriff
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orngecapsule, I do not plan on offering tracking numbers at all. I'm not at all comfortable with the idea of getting my face on video surveillance equipment in the post office or private courier drop offs. I plan on using first class mail exclusively and relying on the honesty of purchasers to finalize when they receive their package. As a customer I'd also be hesitant to want to sign my name on a shipment containing contraband. I think that the cost of setting up a drop (fake id documents, a minimum 6 month contract and such) for the purpose of defrauding me would be more than the cost of a small amount of my meth so it wouldn't make practical sense to do so. I also think that once people see the product they'll want more so likewise it would make no sense to try to defraud me and get their supply cut off.
le botbahn, You're referring to Fester's book, I believe. That approach he takes using benzyl cyanide is on page 40 of the 8th edition and I'm well versed in it and other ways. As far as recrystallization goes I don't see why chilarity would affect it. So long as the product is reasonably pure it can be recrystallized without a problem. I don't personally see the whole fascination with big hunks of crystal. I'd guess it has to do with being evidence of at least a certain minimum purity as powder can be very easily adulterated, but then again so could a big crystal if mixed with something else that crystallizes the same way. I planned on selling it in the ICE form, because it seems that's what the market wants these days, marketing and all. Obviously shipments that require more stealth might be delivered in a way that's designed to ensure delivery regardless of physical form.
Ben, I guess we'll wait and see how quickly the business takes off. I can't handle 500 orders a day. But the money is in volume and bulk. High volume covers up a lot of sin. That is, small errors are masked in the financials by the overall income stream, and this applies to any business legal or otherwise. There are two kinds of drug dealers. The ones that need a forklift and the ones who don't.
Faithfully yours, The Red Hippogriff
I would rather have small shards personally. Makes it eaiser to snort, and i've found it more effective to break the shard before smoking also. But, it is a bad ass feeling to have a giant shard in my hand, just like it is to have a giant nugget. Also, i think first class is the best way to go also on the buyers end. It's one thing to recieve something through first class, it's harder to deny priority mail, and even harder for express.
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thank you hippo! set it up already and lets get this parTy started!
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I have to admit this sound really promising and i'm a big fan of choice and competition to bring higher quality and more competitive prices to the consumer so I would be extremely interested at buying a gram when you get your first batch done and it sounds like you know what your doing if you can make a great quality product and get it to the customer in a timely manner you would have a ton of business. Most people in the meth business get lost on their own supply and start out great then turn into unreliable people and then eventually downright thieves. If this batch turns out well I know I would be a consistent customer.
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just FYI we can get you p2p at really good prices.
we haven't listed because we weren't sure if there was any real desire.
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i for one would be really interested jennifers. really want to see old skool DL meth ... even uf its the pink ninja in someones dream has to take matters into his own hands so be it :D
sent u pm
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hi The Red Hippogriff and welcome to our community. I can't wait to see some reviews and feedback. I'll be checking you out.
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This is bullshit or a scam in the making. Hopefully I won't have to quote this back to someone later.
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organon, I'm sure you'll be pleased. My ads should be up on SR by Saturday. I can easily see how people get carried away with speed. When I use it I take it orally, the way people do with adderall. 20-30 mg once or twice a day will still have me buzzin pretty strong and doesn't get out of control as fast, but I concede is still quite habit forming.
jennifers, It's hard to imagine you could come close to my input costs. I literally got them at the industrial price plus the cost of false documents. lol
ralph, thank you kindly.
catfish, you can think what you like. I'll let my product and service speak for itself. I think the price will be fair. People on here charge $70/gram for mdma and it has higher input costs and as much labor as my product.
Regards.
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awsome sounds good I will keep my eyes peeled and make sure to get one of your first orders on Saturday!
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organon, Outstanding! That makes me very happy! After my first customers get their orders and I can cash out the bitcoins I plan on quitting my day job and doing this full time. I want to sell on Silkroad and darknet for as long as I think I can get away with it. I did a micro test batch (42 grams of pure crystal gassed out of 37 grams of freebase dissolved in toluene) and it is amazing even without recrystallizing or further purification. I feel like a retard for having issues with pgp since I consider myself adept with PCs, lol, I mean I used to do HTML freehand without a compiler years ago and I'm having issues figuring pgp stuff out. I just want to make sure all my ducks are in a row before I put up the listings, I want to have the product on hand ready to ship and all this PGP BS worked out before I post the ads on the main site.
Faithfully yours, The Red Hippogriff
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Out of curiosity, do you yourself use meth?
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Yes, in oral doses, to inhibit my appetite and thereby treat my obesity. :)
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Yes, in oral doses, to inhibit my appetite and thereby treat my obesity. :)
Oral meth is pretty great. I tried it at ten-milligram doses a couple of times and found it to be pretty potent and euphoric stuff. Might sample some of your stuff when you have feedback.
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It's also a great weight loss medicine. I've been called a "good candidate" for bariatric surgery, but certainly prefer not to go under the knife if I have any alternative. If you're obese and don't yet suffer from enlargement and weakening of the heart I don't know why you'd choose surgery over medication.
Regards.
:)
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It's also a great weight loss medicine. I've been called a "good candidate" for bariatric surgery, but certainly prefer not to go under the knife if I have any alternative. If you're obese and don't yet suffer from enlargement and weakening of the heart I don't know why you'd choose surgery over medication.
Regards.
:)
A flock of obese snorted meth for calorie release.
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hell yea it's the best weight loss med i have ever taken. The weight just fell off me. I lost the equivalent of a whole person lol
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I'd bulk order even if its not super strong. I appreciate all the good vendors that provide quality product and great service but since I'm new here I'm realizing where there's money to be made and its kinda limited. Meth and coke like most other drug listings are over priced and sold at an inflated rate for good qaulity personal consumption. If its quality you may open a new drug up on the wholesale to retail end.
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Red Hippogriff,
You seem like you're knowledgeable, a hard worker, and have a good understanding of how to run this business.
I really wish you well in your SR journey!
Remember, customer service is key ;)
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are we there yet? are we there yet? are we there yet? are we there yet? are we there yet? are we there yet? are we there yet? :P
any update as to when we can see this magical work of art?
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apply for the vendor account and seT your shiT up so we can parTy already with that Tina, baby. you have been the talk of the town here. we're all waiting for the superstar hippo to come through with some game changing shit.
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Thank you all for your enthusiasm. To update things... I'll get the listings up on the main SR site by Saturday and collect orders Saturday and Sunday and ship Monday. I have a nearly limitless amount of precursor but I am bottlenecked in production. My "big" florence flask is 1000 ml, and keep in mind I'm doing this in secret without my two roomates being aware of it and also working full time. Everyone who posted in this thread or PMed me will get first crack at my supply. If I get more orders than I can have supply on hand for I'll cancel them. It won't be anything personal just that I don't want to get a reputation for slow delivery or anything like that. I also have become concerned that Australian customs is too proficient at their trade so I want to limit Aussie orders to 2 or 3 grams, at least initially, to make sure they get through customs ok. I'm not rich and I can't afford to take losses from customs intercepts, and this is all stay in escrow until you get your stash and direct from the chemist pricing, so I hope you understand. I plan on quitting my job after I feel financially secure in this endeavor providing me with a good replacement income, but for now it has to remain a side job, at least until I'm established and iron out all the kinks.
Faithfully yours, The Red Hippogriff
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Thank you all for your enthusiasm. To update things... I'll get the listings up on the main SR site by Saturday and collect orders Saturday and Sunday and ship Monday. I have a nearly limitless amount of precursor but I am bottlenecked in production. My "big" florence flask is 1000 ml, and keep in mind I'm doing this in secret without my two roomates being aware of it and also working full time. Everyone who posted in this thread or PMed me will get first crack at my supply. If I get more orders than I can have supply on hand for I'll cancel them. It won't be anything personal just that I don't want to get a reputation for slow delivery or anything like that. I also have become concerned that Australian customs is too proficient at their trade so I want to limit Aussie orders to 2 or 3 grams, at least initially, to make sure they get through customs ok. I'm not rich and I can't afford to take losses from customs intercepts, and this is all stay in escrow until you get your stash and direct from the chemist pricing, so I hope you understand. I plan on quitting my job after I feel financially secure in this endeavor providing me with a good replacement income, but for now it has to remain a side job, at least until I'm established and iron out all the kinks.
Faithfully yours, The Red Hippogriff
whats your store link?
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I don't have one yet. I''m going to upgrade my account Friday through a CVS bitinstant deposit. I'll be getting a dymo label printer Friday too, they're on sale at officemax. My packages will look like professional business correspondence.
:)
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You can't recrystallize racemic Methamphetamine which is what the P2P route comes out as. Unless you have learned how to split the isomers which is beyond most people.
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I could with some d-tartaric acid made from the cream of tartar in my cupboard from last years Christmas cookies. lol How is that beyond most people? But that's besides the point... I've heard that before that you can't recrystallize a racemic product but since crystallization is first and foremost a cooperative molecular process and crystals can grow in any direction I do not see any reason for that to be a physical property or the substance. Anyway, after I do it, or attempt it and fail I'll let you know.
Faithfully yours, The Red Hippogriff
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I could with some d-tartaric acid made from the cream of tartar in my cupboard from last years Christmas cookies. lol How is that beyond most people? But that's besides the point... I've heard that before that you can't recrystallize a racemic product but since crystallization is first and foremost a cooperative molecular process and crystals can grow in any direction I do not see any reason for that to be a physical property or the substance. Anyway, after I do it, or attempt it and fail I'll let you know.
Faithfully yours, The Red Hippogriff
Ok mate you know best, given I supply P2NP I do sorta know what I am saying but yano....whatever.
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You have attempted the process and failed or never gave it a shot? I'll report back with first hand information. Regards.
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You have attempted the process and failed or never gave it a shot? I'll report back with first hand information. Regards.
I haven't but the guys I work with have to see it was possible and they couldn't. They aren't chemists but have had training enough to be able to, they then asked why to the actual chemists we work with and they said it can't be done. You need the double negative isomer to do it not the racemic, that's why people use Pseudo-Ephedrine because then it naturally comes out as the right isomer. If you are a stereochemist then yeah, you have a shot at flipping the isomer or separating them and if you can fair fucking play but I doubt you are (no offense) so making Meth is a waste, you may as well just produce normal speed which is much easier and people will want. Nobody will buy Meth if it's not crystallized or not in volumes you'd want.
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ok, my 70$ is ready, hopefully I'll get a chance on ordering:)
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Meth thats not crystals is still as good right? I mean powder is just crushed crystals
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Hmm. I already have tiny crystals of meth hcl from my sample batch, from just bubbling hcl gas through the freebase/toluene solution. It makes no logical sense to me why larger crystals should not form from dissolving in a minimal amount of methanol or acetone and allowing it to dry. I'll let you know if my results affirm your anecdotal reports.
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Meth thats not crystals is still as good right? I mean powder is just crushed crystals
The product from my sample batch is outstanding.
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Hmm. I already have tiny crystals of meth hcl from my sample batch, from just bubbling hcl gas through the freebase/toluene solution. It makes no logical sense to me why larger crystals should not form from dissolving in a minimal amount of methanol or acetone and allowing it to dry. I'll let you know if my results affirm your anecdotal reports.
Lol don't use "Anecdotal" in that condescending way mate, your "evidence" is just the same as mine and you could have just bought it. I'm just going on what I saw when I watched and the fact nobody wants to buy P2NP for Meth production. We can't all be barking up the wrong tree and I'd guess there would be a lot more Meth about because you can easily order P2NP from China lol whereas Pseudo-Ephedrine you most certainly can't.
And Ben it's sound to snort or bomb but apparently (don't quote me here) it's not viable to smoke. I don't do Meth so I dunno so don't take that as Gospel.
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This seems pretty questionable... You are gona pop off all this speed without alerting your ROOMMATES? Sometimes I worry about alerting the whole block! Have you every smelled methylamine?! You better know what you are doing on the first run...
And Limitless is right, you wont be able to make shards with your racemic stuff. The biggest grain size you can hope for is about sea-salt size. Atleast not without some chemistry tricks that are above your pay-grade. Oh thats right you read about fractional crystallization before and are totally confident doing it in real life.
I don't want to be a downer but don't hold your breath that this guy is gona pull off his first large scale synth in the bathroom nextdoor to two unknowing roommates.
Diving into a project like this is the best way to learn, but don't lead on all these folks. You are kinda counting your chickens before they hatch.
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And Limitless is right, you wont be able to make shards with your racemic stuff. The biggest grain size you can hope for is about sea-salt size. Atleast not without some chemistry tricks that are above your pay-grade. Oh thats right you read about fractional crystallization before and are totally confident doing it in real life.
I KNEW IT! Hahaha.
Ahhhhh......I do love being right at 10.24 on a Thursday morning. Starts the day with bonus point lol.
Thank you good Doctor. :)
@ The Red Pidgin or whatever your name is - I dunno why you had to be rude like that, I was merely starting a fact and I would have quite accepted you wanted to have a go. I was actually trying to save you time and be helpful so why you had to be rude or imply I was bullshitting you I am not 100% sure. I suspect it may be because you were born at the shallow end of the gene pool though.
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I suspect it may be because you were born at the shallow end of the gene pool though.
;D
This is the mistake all new chemists make. They promise product.. this adds a lot of stress and your buyers get pissed because it will take 3x as long as you think even if you have done the synthesis before, thats just how it goes until you have done the same synthesis 4 or 5 times at that scale. Just shutup and do work, when youre product is ready if you still feel like you can sell it at that price then put it up for sale.
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I suspect it may be because you were born at the shallow end of the gene pool though.
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This is the mistake all new chemists make. They promise product.. this adds a lot of stress and your buyers get pissed because it will take 3x as long as you think even if you have done the synthesis before, thats just how it goes until you have done the same synthesis 4 or 5 times at that scale. Just shutup and do work, when youre product is ready if you still feel like you can sell it at that price then put it up for sale.
Lol I ain't really fussed about the mistake, more the inappropriate use of the word "anecdotal" which was completely unneeded. In your opinion though would racemic Meth be even popular? Isn't it one of those drugs people generally just smoke? Duno much about it.
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Hmm. I already have tiny crystals of meth hcl from my sample batch, from just bubbling hcl gas through the freebase/toluene solution. It makes no logical sense to me why larger crystals should not form from dissolving in a minimal amount of methanol or acetone and allowing it to dry. I'll let you know if my results affirm your anecdotal reports.
Lol don't use "Anecdotal" in that condescending way mate, your "evidence" is just the same as mine and you could have just bought it. I'm just going on what I saw when I watched and the fact nobody wants to buy P2NP for Meth production. We can't all be barking up the wrong tree and I'd guess there would be a lot more Meth about because you can easily order P2NP from China lol whereas Pseudo-Ephedrine you most certainly can't.
And Ben it's sound to snort or bomb but apparently (don't quote me here) it's not viable to smoke. I don't do Meth so I dunno so don't take that as Gospel.
The idea with smoking meth is to vaporize it and inhale and not bring it to its boiling point. It absorbs into the water in your lungs to get into your bIood stream. Only reason anyone smokes meth is because its so god-damn fun (I know it doesnt look it). So if its good to snort and swallow, its good to smoke
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Levometh? In my nose? It's less likely than you'd think!
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Hmm. I already have tiny crystals of meth hcl from my sample batch, from just bubbling hcl gas through the freebase/toluene solution. It makes no logical sense to me why larger crystals should not form from dissolving in a minimal amount of methanol or acetone and allowing it to dry. I'll let you know if my results affirm your anecdotal reports.
Lol don't use "Anecdotal" in that condescending way mate, your "evidence" is just the same as mine and you could have just bought it. I'm just going on what I saw when I watched and the fact nobody wants to buy P2NP for Meth production. We can't all be barking up the wrong tree and I'd guess there would be a lot more Meth about because you can easily order P2NP from China lol whereas Pseudo-Ephedrine you most certainly can't.
And Ben it's sound to snort or bomb but apparently (don't quote me here) it's not viable to smoke. I don't do Meth so I dunno so don't take that as Gospel.
The idea with smoking meth is to vaporize it and inhale and not bring it to its boiling point. It absorbs into the water in your lungs to get into your bIood stream. Only reason anyone smokes meth is because its so god-damn fun (I know it doesnt look it). So if its good to snort and swallow, its good to smoke
I'll take ya word for it mate.
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i have faith in the hippo.
and my coin is ready for the hippo.
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No udate on progress? I didn't see an listing offered on Sat. Looks like the first run may have had a few technical difficulties
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Any sign of him?
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I hate to say "i told you so" but... yeah...
He should of used my consulting services, would have saved him a fire and a trip through the legal system
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dr deep and limitless are full of shit haters.. which can therefor eat a bag of dicks .. or bollocks ( for the proper English gangster wanna be faggot. i mean how gangster can a nerd be that averages like a 1000 posts per day?)...
they both tag team each other on a certain agenda ... my guess is that your doing alright hippo.. and dr you'r wrong about the methylamine ( too many episodes of breaking bad) its the p2p thats going to give you away...
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dr deep and limitless are full of shit haters.. which can therefor eat a bag of dicks .. or bollocks ( for the proper English gangster wanna be faggot. i mean how gangster can a nerd be that averages like a 1000 posts per day?)...
they both tag team each other on a certain agenda ... my guess is that your doing alright hippo.. and dr you'r wrong about the methylamine ( too many episodes of breaking bad) its the p2p thats going to give you away...
I Think its fair to say hippo's still in the critical burns unit of his local hospital
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I hate to say "i told you so" but... yeah...
He should of used my consulting services, would have saved him a fire and a trip through the legal system
Haha yeah, he didn't even know you can't recrystallize Meth into shards when you make it racemic. Standard shit.
And Digital you can shut the fuck up, you just bitch about me because we had that cross word when you asked me about buying the shit you need to make Meth on a large scale and I offered to sell you a reactor which you pranged out about because you'd smoked too much ice that day and probably fucked pimped out your sister too hard and needed to console your conscience by wanking yourself off to a conspiracy theory saying I was a cop. It probably pissed you off more that I did a thread about it and C+Ped all the convo and people laughed at you, understandable really as you made yourself look like a girl who got their first period.
Congratualtions DigitalDong, you just became a woman. :)
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You can't recrystallize racemic Methamphetamine which is what the P2P route comes out as. Unless you have learned how to split the isomers which is beyond most people.
It is possible to split those isomers, but it is a pain in the ass.
You need d-tartaric acid and after the first separation you have app 80% of the d-isomer. You would need a lot more crystallizations to obtain even 95%. The P2P route is not very suitable for the production of d-meth.
If you want to go for a different route other than HI/H2PO3 reduction, you could go for a debenzylation of a certain compound. You would need H2 gas and Pd/C.
This route is more expensive but does produce d-meth.
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regardless, the original poster didnt pull off his giant, sneaky synthesis without his roommates finding out. Who does he think he is? he should of taken me up on my offer of consulting, would have saved him a lot of money.
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I have bad news. I did not get away with this operation, however I also did not get caught fully. I was caught with my lab gear and 80+ grams of meth however they thought my barrel labeled methyl cellulose really was methyl cellulose. My father has paid over $25,000 for my legal defense and I am posting this from a private intensive inpatient treatment program and I will be on probation for 4 years after which I can get this expunged. Sorry to disappoint you guys, but I got totally fucked in this and will not be able to provide you with methamphetamine. Bye.
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I have bad news. I did not get away with this operation, however I also did not get caught fully. I was caught with my lab gear and 80+ grams of meth however they thought my barrel labeled methyl cellulose really was methyl cellulose. My father has paid over $25,000 for my legal defense and I am posting this from a private intensive inpatient treatment program and I will be on probation for 4 years after which I can get this expunged. Sorry to disappoint you guys, but I got totally fucked in this and will not be able to provide you with methamphetamine. Bye.
LOL. epic ending
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I have bad news. I did not get away with this operation, however I also did not get caught fully. I was caught with my lab gear and 80+ grams of meth however they thought my barrel labeled methyl cellulose really was methyl cellulose. My father has paid over $25,000 for my legal defense and I am posting this from a private intensive inpatient treatment program and I will be on probation for 4 years after which I can get this expunged. Sorry to disappoint you guys, but I got totally fucked in this and will not be able to provide you with methamphetamine. Bye.
LOL. epic ending
That's really sad to hear. I don't wish legal trouble onto anyone. Most people talk a lot of shit, but when it's your ass getting fucked by the law. Where's your mommy now?
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I have bad news. I did not get away with this operation, however I also did not get caught fully. I was caught with my lab gear and 80+ grams of meth however they thought my barrel labeled methyl cellulose really was methyl cellulose. My father has paid over $25,000 for my legal defense and I am posting this from a private intensive inpatient treatment program and I will be on probation for 4 years after which I can get this expunged. Sorry to disappoint you guys, but I got totally fucked in this and will not be able to provide you with methamphetamine. Bye.
I'm sorry but this is fucking hilarious. What the fuck does one expect when you try to do a cook in a place you share with people. This has a level of stupidity to it that Darwin created evolution theory to explain why the Neanderthals got fucked by the Homo-sapiens.
I hope this is a lesson in why SHIT SHOULD BE LEFT TO THE FUCKING GROWN UPS.
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I think this was all a big joke. It has to be a fucking joke; 80 grams and labware, and they didn't bother testing the chemicals to get a tighter case? No way. Where I'm from, that's major trafficking plus the manufacturing plus the possession of labware and meth chemicals plus... well plus I don't know what else, but major trafficker alone is 15/25 to life I think (1st offense/repeat).
"I will not be able to provide you with methamphetamine. Bye." Good lord, Charlie Brown...
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I think this was all a big joke. It has to be a fucking joke; 80 grams and labware, and they didn't bother testing the chemicals to get a tighter case? No way. Where I'm from, that's major trafficking plus the manufacturing plus the possession of labware and meth chemicals plus... well plus I don't know what else, but major trafficker alone is 15/25 to life I think (1st offense/repeat).
"I will not be able to provide you with meththamphetamine. Bye." Good lord, Charlie Brown...
yeah most likely an epic troll on all the tweakers
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Somebody please Sticky this thread
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If you get crushed up crystals that were huge sharsd, can you dissolve them in ethanol and dry them out slowly to get nice glassy crystals?
if its crystal, does that mean its d-Methamphetamine or can dl-Meth or l-Meth be in crystal form too?
This is in regard to darkexpresso' stealth method
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If you get crushed up crystals that were huge sharsd, can you dissolve them in ethanol and dry them out slowly to get nice glassy crystals?
if its crystal, does that mean its d-Methamphetamine or can dl-Meth or l-Meth be in crystal form too?
d- and l- (dextro- and levo-) methamphetamine are virtually identical in every way except how they effect your physiology. There's no discernible difference unless you get into chemistry stuff, which isn't applicable here. So they'll both be in crystal and identical, basically.
You can't just dissolve the powder in a solvent, dry it, and expect it to magically recrystallize into a big chunky shard. You can turn the powder back into a nice shard if you really want, but I advise against it: you're going to suffer so much loss doing it that you probably just want to stick with the powder. If you insist on wasting meth even though powder works just as well as a finger-sized shard, look up acid-base extractions and freebase recrystallization.
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If you get crushed up crystals that were huge sharsd, can you dissolve them in ethanol and dry them out slowly to get nice glassy crystals?
if its crystal, does that mean its d-Methamphetamine or can dl-Meth or l-Meth be in crystal form too?
d- and l- (dextro- and levo-) methamphetamine are virtually identical in every way except how they effect your physiology. There's no discernible difference unless you get into chemistry stuff, which isn't applicable here. So they'll both be in crystal and identical, basically.
You can't just dissolve the powder in a solvent, dry it, and expect it to magically recrystallize into a big chunky shard. You can turn the powder back into a nice shard if you really want, but I advise against it: you're going to suffer so much loss doing it that you probably just want to stick with the powder. If you insist on wasting meth even though powder works just as well as a finger-sized shard, look up acid-base extractions and freebase recrystallization.
Wow, i must have way too much time on my hands. haha.
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this is either a joke or a first time arrest in a college town along with a lot of daddys money and a good ole boy lawyer. If you ever get caught like this the "drugs make me do it" route can actually get you off in lue of lots of rehab and a billion years probation.
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this is either a joke or a first time arrest in a college town along with a lot of daddys money and a good ole boy lawyer. If you ever get caught like this the "drugs make me do it" route can actually get you off in lue of lots of rehab and a billion years probation.
Thank you! So I am not the only one calling bullshit
you will find endless made up bullshit along this road
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that was sure nice of his inpatient treatment center to let him install tor and let all his online friends know the meth wasnt comming.
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if dmeth and rc's recrystalize in MSM.....not exactly a stretch is it ol.wise ones?
And for the record, racemic does recrys. just not in gigantic crystals.