Quote from: Mossman on June 07, 2013, 07:29 pmSo Iinstead you might convince yourself that the problem is just your own tolerance. Or a different" "strain" of meth so to speak (as if that even exists). It's just "day" meth. Or "clean" meth. Or "marching powder" meth. Instead of that "other" kind of meth... the kind you are after (legit, unadultered meth). That Elixor of Sex (EoS), fun, exciting, overconfident, super euphoric meth that makes your worst day feel like the best- type ofmeth.Please completely disregard everything I've said in this thread prior to this post. Seriously, my only intention here and now is to educate my fellow tweakers. I am not out to contradict anybody or show anybody up or... whatever the fuck else some people think I'm trying to do when I get all serious and logical. I know I sound smug sometimes, but it really is just how I get when I'm in total logic mode -- I don't mean to come off as smug (in fact I don't think I do, but I'm told I do online, so... I guess I can be smug whether I think so or not, LOL).So that being said, I'd like to ask a really stupid question (and then answer it): what is a molecule? Well, to my knowledge (and in a basic sense), it's a bunch of atoms that are bonded together. But a molecule is so much more complex than that. A drug influences us because it interacts with our cells and influences our physiology, right? The major factor in that is the structure of the molecule. That structure is determined by the bonds between the atoms, but there are even all different kinds of bonds. I mean for example, C10H15N is the molecular formula for methamphetamine. 10 carbons, 15 hydrogens, and a nitrogen. That's methamphetamine. It's also the molecular formula for:  Diethylaniline  -Ethylphenethylamine  Isopropylbenzylamine  Levomethamphetamine  Ortetamine  Phenpromethamine  Phentermine... and others, I'm sure. Same atoms put together in different ways by different bonds. But even if they're structurally identical, not all molecules are symmetrical: think about your left and right hands. They both have 4 fingers and a thumb, right? But with both palms facing down toward the floor, if you put one hand on top of the other... they aren't the same. One hand has the thumb sticking out one way, and the other has it sticking out the other. But obviously they're both still human hands, and you wouldn't say otherwise -- you might say your left hand is useless for operating the right-buttons on a playstation controller or something, but it's still a perfectly good hand. Just not good *for everything*.They're mirror images of eachother. They're the same exact parts, but they're put together in a different way. Try to use the mouse hooked up to your computer with your off-hand. Click the button under your index finger, and you're actually clicking the wrong button. It's reversed. So both hands have the same exact pieces, they're put together in almost the same exact way, they have the same structure, and yet the way they interact with things is bizarrely different.... yeah, I realize this is pretty basic stuff. I'm not trying to patronize anybody. But that's how complicated something as trivially simple as a hand on a mouse is. Yet they're both still hands is what I'm getting at. Explaining things helps me solidify ideas in my own head, so take into account I'm also enhancing my own understanding here :)Now consider the unbelievably complex interactions between trillions of "hands" put together all in slightly different ways, and how that might ultimately influence the way those "hands" interact with your brain cells. Then throw in a bunch of impurities because nothing is ever 100% pure, and start considering how those impurities will effect the way those molecules interact with eachother and your brain cells. The interactions between molecules -- I mean even before you start considering the interactions of molecules with our physiology -- is tremendously complex. Methamphetamine isn't a symmetrical molecule. It has left and right versions just like our hands, and just like our hands, the way those versions interact with our physiology is very different.In fact even the quantum effects of the electrons, neutrons, and protons that make up the atoms, which in turn make up the bonds between the atoms, which in turn make up the structure of the molecule -- and therefore most of how it effects us -- change the behavior of a drug. So when you say "as if a different strain of meth even exists," I don't honestly know how to suggest to you that you may be mistaken without it sounding as though I'm trying to win an argument or one-up you or something. I'm sincerely not, no matter what it sounds like.Honestly I'm just trying to explain why I've said the things I've said, have an interesting little discussion with all those I'd call brothers here, and help everybody -- including myself -- understand the reality of what makes one batch different than another. I mean the molecule that most of the vendors I've tried ship is, I believe, C10H15N (plus cut, etc.). Moreover, I'm inclined to believe a chemist would claim it's actual N-methyl-1-phenylpropan-2-amine (methamphetamine).Anyway... there truly are different "strains" of meth. It is not as simple as the atoms snapping into place all the same way. They can fit together in a tremendous number of ways, and the "same" molecule has a tremendous number of different ways it can vary.It's meth. It's just... fucking shitty meth. Why is it shitty? I have no fucking clue. I didn't devote a decade of my life to studying organic chemistry or molecular physiology. But just because the product doesn't do what you want it to do does not mean that it isn't methamphetamine. *That* is basically what I've been trying to say.