Oh, I didn't mean those three specific ciphers -- I meant just in general, it actually can make the difference between a secure algorithm and a broken one if you apply them in different orders. That's all.I'm just a nut who tries to file away in my head every reliable piece of info I come across, and since you're generally the authority on this stuff I was just making sure anybody like me doesn't end up thinking it never matters what order you apply such things in. That's all :)