Quote from: FroggyFrog420 on March 29, 2013, 08:45 pmQuote from: SelfSovereignty on March 25, 2013, 03:28 am@FroggyFrog: your avatar and intellect make me want to remind you how much fun debauchery really is. Fortunately for all of us, I'm a gentleman. I also find your generalizations about regular amphetamine users repulsive. Still, there's something to be said for hedonism -- I mean why else would someone find themselves here if not in the pursuit of hedonism...?I really didn't mean to offend! I'm definitely a fan of certain types of sin and debauchery, that's for sure. I apologize for generalizing, I know that can be annoying, so please allow me to clarify. Responsible users of any drug are rarely ever a problem. The problem arises that the Methamphetamine "Scene" (Generally speaking from my own experience here) isn't one that encourages safe practices and tends to be wrapped up heavily in those forms of criminality which I don't have a soft spot for. Robbery, Murder, Rape, a friend of mine even witnessed some pretty brutal torture via blowtorch to a fellow that was in the wrong place, at the wrong time, with the wrong people who thought he had some very important information. Myself and a friend of mine were the the target of a terribly executed attempted murder as a result of a stupid practical joke played by someone we didn't even know on an old friend who considered himself hard after being awake for a month. That same friend who I defended from said attempted murder later pulled a shotgun on me because I told him the shadow people he was seeing out the window weren't real, and weren't really going to assault his homestead anytime soon. I feel I should mention I don't believe it's the drug itself that is the cause of this, but the lack of sleep (and of course, the user themselves). One person going without sleep for a few days is bad, but easy to recover from; a group of people who already have criminal tendencies going without sleep for weeks gets downright chaotic, and scary. Paranoia runs rampant, hallucinations come and go, and the bowl keeps on rocking.If the meth scene was like how it is here on SR, then it would be great. Some of the people around here seem like a hell of a lot of fun to get spageeterd with. However, it's not, people are stupid and the longer they hit that pipe the less of their minds seem to stay with them. Eventually, after a long enough binge, a person almost stops being a person. Reverting to a vaguely humanistic animal, looking to fight or fuck or do anything that feels good no matter the consequence.Obviously not every methamphetamine user fits this description. I've known a few that don't, and I myself have always been too much a fan of sleep to lose my mind (Except that one time of course... or the other). Self control makes a huge difference, as well as thoroughly researching the substance before consuming. That being said, if you don't respect the drug, it will consume and transform you.To end this post, I leave you with a (slightly modified) quote told to me by a friend before I ever touched the stuff: "After 3 days, you start to hallucinate. After 5 days, you start to enjoy it. The trick is getting from 3 to 5 without going completely insane."Wow. I have never in my entire life done anything even remotely similar to any of those. I'm afraid it's not the drug, or the lack of sleep -- neither do anything like that to me. Ever. Not after 3. Not after 5. Not even after the one time I went 8. I think it was the people. Though if I had seen all of that happen because people were on meth, I think I might be even less forgiving of the chemical then you are. I'm sorry for implying you were at all wrong for your statement. I was the one who was wrong for assuming I knew your motivation; I obviously didn't.I'm not sure why you have a taste for these people, but I hope it doesn't end up hurting you. I hate to think of such a cute kitty getting hurt :(... I am definitely influenced entirely too much by people's avatars... ::)