... what *are* you talking about? I own my car. I paid for it in full. I pay nothing to anyone except the insurance company, gas companies, and repair shop. I'm sorry, but either you don't live in America, or you're defining "intrinsic value," differently than I do.Are you talking about if you don't pay, they take things? Well yes. They take them and sell them if you owe them money. Then they keep the money -- you could do the same if you like, but that's... different. I mean they tax what you make. You use the roads you drive to work on. You use the infrastructure the government is responsible for maintaining. So you pay taxes. Now I'm sure nobody agrees with everything their taxes are spent -- forget it. I feel like you're trying to make two points at once, so I'm responding to two points at once. Let's just skip that one.If you have no income, they take nothing and ask for nothing. Infact they *give* you a few hundred dollars, sometimes. They do not take anything if you make nothing. You're making a blanket statement that says otherwise, and I believe that you're mistaken -- give me an example if you think I'm the one who's wrong?