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Discussion => Silk Road discussion => Topic started by: La Blue Girl on June 05, 2013, 07:20 pm
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I just wanted to point this out in the hopes that people see it..
There is a epidemic on Silk Road, What? You may ask.. Crappy feedback .... I can't tell you how many times I have seen..
"FE , waiting for product"
"Just came, cant wait to try"
"looks good so far"
STOP IT PEOPLE!
Are none of you aware that once you finalize your payment that you DO NOT have to leave feed back at that time????? NO really! I mean it.. Just click on something else and go about your business on SR. Click the Camel, Click your messages box just move on!! Once you have had a chance to try / eat / enjoy what ever it is that you bought.. THEN click orders and it will be RIGHT THERE at the top of the page!
This way you can leave detailed feedback to help out the community and actually offer up detailed information on the product, service ect..
PLEASE people.. Can we use the feedback system for what it's designed for!! So that detailed reviews of the product and vendor can be seen when people are shopping!
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People can also edit their feedback:
Account --> Feedback --> View/Edit --> Edit
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Also another wonderful thing! ;)
I think people just forget about it.. Out of sight out of mind, ya know? But if they leave it.. Its there at the top of the screen and they can't miss it..
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Also another wonderful thing! ;)
I think people just forget about it.. Out of sight out of mind, ya know? But if they leave it.. Its there at the top of the screen and they can't miss it..
Yeah, you're exactly right. I've been here for almost exactly a year as "scout" and it seems like a lot of people don't realize they can edit their feedback, don't know how to edit their feedback, or simply forget to edit their feedback for one reason or another.
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So true, although I've been on SR for less than a year I've had substantial purchases and have dealt with my fair share of bad vendors so when I deal with a new Vendor that's top notch and exceeds my expectations they deserve that I leave a detailed and positive review. This whole system is pretty much based on reviews, feedbacks, and amount of transactions a vendor has. Good vendors should be acknowledged by taking the time to leave a informative and positive review if warranted.
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It's bad for the buyer and vendor if you don't update your feedback; the vendor misses out on feedback and the buyer has to sift through a bunch of meaningless feedback, which can also be interpreted as sketchy. I only recently did my first order and was asked to FE; it was a super small order and the vendor was well established so I didn't care at all. Wrote FE with trusted seller in the feedback, when it came, I updated the feedback. It's that simple, and I sort of view it as a responsibility to the vendor and other buyers.
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I always finalize the minute I receive my product. I leave feedback regarding stealth, shipping times, communication, etc. But the product doesn't always go down the hatch (or up the nose, or butt or anywhere else people put drugs) the minute I unwrap it. However I do always, with no exceptions, edit my feedback to reflect the quality once my order has been marquis tested (if applicable) and personally tested.
I do agree there is no point in leaving feedback if its just FE (you don't have to, and shouldn't, leave feedback when you do FE as OP pointed out) and I do believe people should leave more detail in their feedback than the examples you listed. I wanna know more than just "it showed up" or "smells like the real deal." If it showed up speak regarding the things you can judge at that time then note that you will edit once you get a chance to try it and follow through.
I also think our rating system is totally fucked and I think most buyers agree with me. Leaving a 4/5 because the shipping wasn't very stealthy but the product still arrived and was of good quality should be acceptable. As it is right now you can't trust anyone without near perfect feedback and half the vendors will try to blackmail you if you don't give perfect feedback or won't sell to you again. Just because you took 5 days to ship it out doesn't mean I won't give you another chance if I do like the final product but my rating needs to be able to reflect that. Also anyone who has ever browsed Atlantis has probably noticed in the feedback area they don't name the buyer but give you some of his stats to help you judge his credibility, which would be nice on the road, but I suppose that's for another thread in a different sub-forum.
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you don't have to, and shouldn't, leave feedback when you do FE as OP pointed out
As a new user I didn't actually know this. I assumed I had to since I saw so many people writing "FE waiting for product."
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Didn't know you could just leave it! Thanks for that. :)
Completely agree though, feedback is a major part of what makes this market function and reading a bunch of "FE" and other completely lacking feedback is annoying when you are looking for good vendors with good product.
Since I didn't know you could just wait to add feedback I've been finalizing and putting up something short about shipping time, if the stealth was good or not (nothing descriptive), service and how the product looks/smells etc, then I update once I've tried it. :)
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Haven't read thread yet , will update when read =)
No seriously though , o.p's totally right , were all part of a community here , and that means your feedback shouldn't be taken so lightly - it's to help us all make informed buying choices .
It makes it so much harder for people to get an idea of what to expect from there chosen vendor and it's sure as hell shouldn't be used as an implied threat to the vendor - witch is often what this " will update once tried " shit often boils down to .
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I just wanted to point this out in the hopes that people see it..
There is a epidemic on Silk Road, What? You may ask.. Crappy feedback .... I can't tell you how many times I have seen..
"FE , waiting for product"
"Just came, cant wait to try"
"looks good so far"
STOP IT PEOPLE!
Are none of you aware that once you finalize your payment that you DO NOT have to leave feed back at that time????? NO really! I mean it.. Just click on something else and go about your business on SR. Click the Camel, Click your messages box just move on!! Once you have had a chance to try / eat / enjoy what ever it is that you bought.. THEN click orders and it will be RIGHT THERE at the top of the page!
This way you can leave detailed feedback to help out the community and actually offer up detailed information on the product, service ect..
PLEASE people.. Can we use the feedback system for what it's designed for!! So that detailed reviews of the product and vendor can be seen when people are shopping!
If I'm required to FE, which now that I've become known as a buyer, I never do anymore (unless it's for a vendor I particularly like), I will say "FE. Will update upon product arrival." I then update once the product has arrived. After I try it, I then update with a small report.
That way, people who are deciding to buy, can know that, "Ok, someone has bought this. Ok, someone has received this. Ok, someone has reviewed this."
Three steps that are very beneficial in my eyes.
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If you actually update it's a different story , I would say 90 % + only update if they get ripped off , benefiting only themselves and not the community .
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More people need to update, I agree. =/ That's the whole point of the reviews... It solidifies the vendor's reputation, and outs the bad ones.
There ARE some good reviewers though. I have seen them many times. I try to read as many of them as possible as well.
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Some vendors actually require 5/5 and feedback left (SuperTrips for one) when FE before they will ship.
Other vendors will add you to the blacklist for changing your rating. Or even giving anything less than 5/5 for that matter.
In general, the current system is skewed towards favoring the vendors and is getting progressively worse with all of the blacklisting and fear mongering. I have no faith in it at all anymore and utilize these forums for all research before any order.
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Some vendors actually require 5/5 and feedback left (SuperTrips for one) when FE before they will ship.
Other vendors will add you to the blacklist for changing your rating. Or even giving anything less than 5/5 for that matter.
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This is a big part of the problem. People stop caring about the feedback they leave when they know there's a limit to what they can really say.
Once freedom of speech goes you just watch your back.
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Some vendors actually require 5/5 and feedback left (SuperTrips for one) when FE before they will ship.
Other vendors will add you to the blacklist for changing your rating. Or even giving anything less than 5/5 for that matter.
In general, the current system is skewed towards favoring the vendors and is getting progressively worse with all of the blacklisting and fear mongering. I have no faith in it at all anymore and utilize these forums for all research before any order.
I agree. I check everyone beforehand regardless. I also won't buy from someone who demands an FE. To be honest, that should be banned, or at least a bannable offense.
The escrow system is there for a reason.
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Time to call in FEMA. We've got a full blown epidemic on our hands!
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Time to call in FEMA. We've got a full blown epidemic on our hands!
Is the goal to waste lot's of money without accomplishing anything of value?
Then, yes, FEMA all the way!
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Time to call in FEMA. We've got a full blown epidemic on our hands!
Is the goal to waste lot's of money without accomplishing anything of value?
Then, yes, FEMA all the way!
You people are hilarious. I love Silk Road.
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I don't mind if people just write 'F.E'
I imagine if something goes bad they will update (no news is good news?) and also if a vendor suddenly starts having people F.E if could be a warning they are about to do a runner.
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I don't mind if people just write 'F.E'
I imagine if something goes bad they will update (no news is good news?) and also if a vendor suddenly starts having people F.E if could be a warning they are about to do a runner.
People should write "FE, if I don't update, it's because I ordered 500tabs/KGofthis/poundofthat and I'm in jail motherfucker."
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LOL
Let me tell you something...
HOW many customers message me saying" OH THANKS WHITE SHARK WEED WAS LOVELY GOT SO NICE SO HIGH LOVE YOU BLAH BLAH"
yet there feedback still says "FE"
Hence why I have removed my FE policy (for trusted buyers), and why I tell people DO NOT FE!
PLEASE DO NOT FE!
I think its what scammers use to keep there refund rate low. I had it happen to me before, which is why I am not 100%!
The buyer FE then threatens to give 1/5 feedback unless you give refund...this way her/his refund stats are not affected...sneaky sneaky!
VENDORS DO NOT GIVE IN TO THOSE SCAMMERS! BUYERS DO NOT FE!
Nuff said hehe
WS
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LOL
Let me tell you something...
HOW many customers message me saying" OH THANKS WHITE SHARK WEED WAS LOVELY GOT SO NICE SO HIGH LOVE YOU BLAH BLAH"
yet there feedback still says "FE"
I know this feeling all too well. People message me thanking and telling me great things but their feedback says shit like "will update" but it never updates. :o
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I rekon buyers should have ratings aswell as feedback in their profiles.
Its bullshit when someone receives and order and takes 5 days extra to finalize.. or do what you mentioned above about fe then threatening to give feedback. If vendors could give out feedback about the buyers I'm sure it would stop alot of them doing the crap they do.
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I rekon buyers should have ratings aswell as feedback in their profiles.
Its bullshit when someone receives and order and takes 5 days extra to finalize.. or do what you mentioned above about fe then threatening to give feedback. If vendors could give out feedback about the buyers I'm sure it would stop alot of them doing the crap they do.
Amen. Just like Atlantis. They can't change their rating on Atlantis either so buyers can't threaten to change a vendor's rating. I agree about the finalizing shit too.
I hate when buyers receive their order and wait days to finalize it... Especially when BTC value rises and and escrow is hedged >:(
I personally FE asap there should be no need to delay the trust has been given by the vendor to send something of value. Just fire up tor, login and click. :)
Vendors appreciate you doing what you are supposed to do mistercc. :) I only check tracking if something is taking a very long time and sometimes it says it was already delivered yet I am still waiting for finalization :o and I know for a fact that nobody receives their orders on Sunday but every Sunday I get people who finalize their orders. :o Including today... ::)
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don't get me started on the people being able to change feedback thing... Should be no reason to change feedback.... like either you got it and its good.. and if you just got it and havnt tested it yet who the hell gives a crap... it just means you received *something*.. wow thats great to know............
I don't think people relies you don't have to write anything.
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Viewing this through another lens, it can be seen as another layer of 'digital divide' so to speak. The same way we who have the knowledge to access the road and navigate it, some of us here also utilize the forums. Most vendors I do business with have a review thread which is far more useful in judging their quality than the SR feedback system. While the feedback system is a great concept, many of the people on the road apparently do not care once they have their product enough to do the right thing and provide for the community. Those who do not utilize the forums to judge a vendor and only rely on the feedback system are at a disadvantage comparatively to those who do...
While we are all on a different level than 'street buyers', those of us using forum reviews are separate from those who only use the feedback system.
Regards,
T4B
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Viewing this through another lens, it can be seen as another layer of 'digital divide' so to speak. The same way we who have the knowledge to access the road and navigate it, some of us here also utilize the forums. Most vendors I do business with have a review thread which is far more useful in judging their quality than the SR feedback system. While the feedback system is a great concept, many of the people on the road apparently do not care once they have their product enough to do the right thing and provide for the community. Those who do not utilize the forums to judge a vendor and only rely on the feedback system are at a disadvantage comparatively to those who do...
While we are all on a different level than 'street buyers', those of us using forum reviews are separate from those who only use the feedback system.
Regards,
T4B
While this is true T4B, MOST of us that are buyers here surf SR first and narrow down a few vendors that have what we are looking for at the price point we are looking for THEN go search the forum for better feed back.. Other wise there is an overwhelming amount of venders to have to check out. It's stages..
Stage one - Surf for the product you want
Stage two - Narrow down to a few listings and verify the vendors on the forum
Stage three - Pay for product and wait
Stage four - Finalize when product is received
Stage five - Leave feed back on SR AND the Forum for the vendor and the product!
I think its great that some of you are using the system the way its meant too.. the sad part is that MOST people are not..
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LA Blue Girl,
Those feedbacks I believe to actually help the community. I want to know if people FE! If there are a weeks worth of FE's and no arrivals I will choose another vendor. Why? Because it looks like an FE scam. I want to see every detail as it paints me a better picture of the current situation a vendor is having. Backed up orders, scams, and possible product deficiencies. It has to be done!
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LA Blue Girl,
Those feedbacks I believe to actually help the community. I want to know if people FE! If there are a weeks worth of FE's and no arrivals I will choose another vendor. Why? Because it looks like an FE scam. I want to see every detail as it paints me a better picture of the current situation a vendor is having. Backed up orders, scams, and possible product deficiencies. It has to be done!
I have no issue with people noting that they FE, you are correct that can help in some cases.. I never said that it did not.. BUT When that is all the feed back that is there.. Who does that help? MOST people are not going back and editing they feed back that is the issue here.. NOT FE.. That was never the topic of this thread.. Just one of the many types of feed back with no detail that are left on SR..
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I can agree with you that people should go back and update their feedback.
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Definitely sucks to see all those, I have to assume most of them were happy if they didn't come back...
I only FE'd once, like a $13 order or something. Had a no show but by the time I could be sure about that my feedback was fucking buried. Still changed it but it was most likely pointless.
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Updating is the best way to go, but even then, usefulness is limited and much shouldn't be expected from it.
When I get my package, I'm going to comment on what I can comment on there and then - usually with a promise to provide product reviews *in the forums* if the vendor has a thread there. Why in the world would you want product reviews in twitter-length format on SR itself when you can go into whatever length you need in a forum thread?
I've bought products months ago that I haven't yet used. I should just... not provide feedback? If everybody did that, no one would know that people were getting their packages.
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some people buy gear and dont have it for a couple weeks after they get it me included!!!
should a person keep the tranasction open for that long??? doesent sound right!!
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Also another wonderful thing! ;)
I think people just forget about it.. Out of sight out of mind, ya know? But if they leave it.. Its there at the top of the screen and they can't miss it..
Whenever I leave "Came, will update" I usually update within 24 hours. If I haven't tried to product yet, I'll at least leave feedback on what I do know (stealth, shipping time, com, etc.) until I actually get the product in my bloodstream. I mean, if it's drugs. I wouldn't really like a pipe in my bloodstream...
Anyway, yeah.
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some people buy gear and dont have it for a couple weeks after they get it me included!!!
should a person keep the tranasction open for that long??? doesent sound right!!
I'd say so, yes. It's not really "open;" that's kind of the point of the escrow system. Either way, it'll auto-finalize after 17 days anyway and the vendor will get the coins.
No way man! Leaving your order to auto finalize just cos you haven't tried it yet is shitty. Most vendors can't afford to have money hanging about in escrow for that long.
Just put in the feedback how quickly it arrived, how the stealth was and that you will update here and on the forum when you take the stuff. It's the best you can do.
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I also agree that as frustrating as pages of "FE, update later" are, I would rather see that then nothing as it looks dodgy and I will go elsewhere.
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Well color me newb. I did not know some of this stuff. Cheers all around!
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some people buy gear and dont have it for a couple weeks after they get it me included!!!
should a person keep the tranasction open for that long??? doesent sound right!!
I'd say so, yes. It's not really "open;" that's kind of the point of the escrow system. Either way, it'll auto-finalize after 17 days anyway and the vendor will get the coins.
No way man! Leaving your order to auto finalize just cos you haven't tried it yet is shitty. Most vendors can't afford to have money hanging about in escrow for that long.
Just put in the feedback how quickly it arrived, how the stealth was and that you will update here and on the forum when you take the stuff. It's the best you can do.
My mistake--I misread the post I was replying to. I thought the post meant that it seems strange to wait until you GET the package--not try it (i.e. not FEing); certainly finalize when you get the product and inspect it even if you don't consume it. Also, yes, auto-finalizing will mess up your stats. I'll edit my original post so as to not confuse anyone!
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I just wanted to point this out in the hopes that people see it..
There is a epidemic on Silk Road, What? You may ask.. Crappy feedback .... I can't tell you how many times I have seen..
"FE , waiting for product"
"Just came, cant wait to try"
"looks good so far"
STOP IT PEOPLE!
Are none of you aware that once you finalize your payment that you DO NOT have to leave feed back at that time????? NO really! I mean it.. Just click on something else and go about your business on SR. Click the Camel, Click your messages box just move on!! Once you have had a chance to try / eat / enjoy what ever it is that you bought.. THEN click orders and it will be RIGHT THERE at the top of the page!
This way you can leave detailed feedback to help out the community and actually offer up detailed information on the product, service ect..
PLEASE people.. Can we use the feedback system for what it's designed for!! So that detailed reviews of the product and vendor can be seen when people are shopping!
Excellent post! ~ We were accused today of Shilling our own feedback (that La Blue Girl left us) ... I think there's a lot that needs to be straightened out in peoples minds here. Every vendor wants a 100% rating, but only few deserve it! Nothing sucks worse(as a buyer) than buying from a vendor and then having to take them into resolution because the product was not only falsely advertised; the feedback of such product was not indicative of the product quality due to the same laziness of which you speak. Well, partly laziness, and partly forgetfulness, or even clueless-ness.
More people need to edit their past feedback to reflect transactions HONESTLY. This helps us all; and if a vendor can't take a little constructive criticism, they shouldn't vend here. Thank you for this post Blue. :)
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I haven't read the whole thread, so sorry if I missed something, but here is my point of view about those "crappy" feedbacks...
I see it like this: if somebody ordered something, and left a feedback like "FE", or "Will update later", and actually never updates that feedback, I assume that this customer was happy and had nothing to complain, it's just a simple 5/5.
But you can be sure that if somebody gets scammed, or receives a shit product he isn't happy with, he will shout it out loud, as loud as he can. Wouldn't you go back and update your feedback to 1/5, and tell everybody how that vendor has scammed you? I'm sure most people would.
That's why I see this "crappy" feedback still as a positive sign, although I also wish people would update their feedbacks more often, just to give a little bit more details about the product etc.
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Excellent post! ~ We were accused today of Shilling our own feedback (that La Blue Girl left us) ... I think there's a lot that needs to be straightened out in peoples minds here. Every vendor wants a 100% rating, but only few deserve it! Nothing sucks worse(as a buyer) than buying from a vendor and then having to take them into resolution because the product was not only falsely advertised; the feedback of such product was not indicative of the product quality due to the same laziness of which you speak. Well, partly laziness, and partly forgetfulness, or even clueless-ness.
More people need to edit their past feedback to reflect transactions HONESTLY. This helps us all; and if a vendor can't take a little constructive criticism, they shouldn't vend here. Thank you for this post Blue. :)
AE, I am sorry to hear that. I think that it is a sad day when well written detailed feed back is viewed as "shilling" Feel free to send them my way if you would like.. I have no issue in supporting my feed back! You just can't make some people happy..
@Zookaa ... all feed back like that tells me is that the buyer is lazy.. Its one thing when its semi recent but when its months old.. thats is just lazy. And how do you know it was good? Maybe they DIED! LOL.. You never know..