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Discussion => Security => Topic started by: LittleEddy on May 27, 2013, 01:36 am
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SR is over for me. fuk. I recently had 2 CD's (i.e., requiring my sigs) delivered. I wasn't too concerned for the first--it was a cIII and just thought the vendor was fukked up. The 2nd one occurred when I ordered some mj seeds. My wife signed for them (she's clueless). I knew then at this point that I was being targeted (as I contacted one vendor who denied reg'ing a sig.) So now I'm fukked. What's worse is that I currently have a couple of pending orders with some serious shit. I've pm'd them to cancel, but it's the end of the road for me.
I've been around here for over a year and never had an issue until now. It's been good while it lasted. I have no idea how they pin pointed me either. I guess I'm lucky they didn't have a warrant when the 2nd one was delivered. Now I'm prepared. This is so fukked up....
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+1 don't say anything without YOUR lawyer present
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I wouldn't think that LE would dilly dally around with having you sign for a bunch of packages, rather just sign one and that's basically a confession and all they need to prosecute, someone correct me if I'm wrong? Less time/money spent for them, they have no idea what packages *may* be coming in, before they reach customs or are sent domestically. I agree, it's pretty fishy that you'd have to sign for 2 packages in a row, but what makes you think that you're off the hook if they are in fact on your case? I would still think about having your lawyers number on hand at all times, but I didn't think they would sit around and let you receive and enjoy your packages if they knew what was in them and had evidence/ probable cause. Then again, what do I know? Not very much, aside from if LE sees a drug deal go down, they apprehend the suspected dealer(s) and buyer(s) immediately.. I would think this would be the case for you. Best of luck to you and best wishes for you and your family.
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when the next orders arrives, just trow them right into trash, without taking inside.
dont know, but maybe will help ?
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If you didn't get raided / arrested, you weren't CD'ed
LE won't give you a chance to use / redistribute the drugs.
You got packages from some vendors who set the shipping to require a signature, that's all.
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If you didn't get raided / arrested, you weren't CD'ed
LE won't give you a chance to use / redistribute the drugs.
You got packages from some vendors who set the shipping to require a signature, that's all.
Perhaps you are right, but what WOULD you call it if you got 2 pkg's requiring a sig that shouldn't be? I haven't confirmed it yet with the 2nd vendor as to whether he req a sig, but the 1st one was a very respected one on here, and he didn't. Assuming the 2nd vendor didn't as well, what would it be then??
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Perhaps you are right, but what WOULD you call it if you got 2 pkg's requiring a sig that shouldn't be?
Vendor error.
Vendor lying.
These options are far more likely than LE dropping off drugs at your house and not arresting you.
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LMAO! You didn't get a controlled delivery. Did they bust in your door? Lol. They don't do a CD for pot seeds.
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LMAO! You didn't get a controlled delivery. Did they bust in your door? Lol. They don't do a CD for pot seeds.
^^ yup
and write "Return to Render" on all mail no matter what before u open it, only open when you're ready for it (ex, use/sell)
as for the serious shit try and cancel, or switch drop houses is its too late for that then just right "RTS" when u get it, never sign, never let ur wife sig and if youre absolutely terrified contact a lawyer or just browse the forums for this kinda shit. The answer is somewhere good luck brother.
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LMAO! You didn't get a controlled delivery. Did they bust in your door? Lol. They don't do a CD for pot seeds.
yeah, you're right. "CD" implies delivery and police action. No police action, but never the less, I'm on some kind of watch list. I'm not paranoid, just realistic after doing this stuff for some time. I wouldn't have brought it up otherwise. I guess I was looking for anyone who has had a similar experience and looking how they either dealt with it or otherwise had some outcome they were willing to share...
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LMAO! You didn't get a controlled delivery. Did they bust in your door? Lol. They don't do a CD for pot seeds.
yeah, you're right. "CD" implies delivery and police action. No police action, but never the less, I'm on some kind of watch list. I'm not paranoid, just realistic after doing this stuff for some time. I wouldn't have brought it up otherwise. I guess I was looking for anyone who has had a similar experience and looking how they either dealt with it or otherwise had some outcome they were willing to share...
You're not on a watch list. They would have seized your pot seeds if they found them. Many pot seed distributors ship with a signature. Most give you an option though.
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and write "Return to Render" on all mail no matter what before u open it, only open when you're ready for it (ex, use/sell)
Yeah, it's time to dispel that myth.
http://www.reddit.com/r/SilkRoad/comments/1f1joh/things_i_learned_from_watching_my_cousin_lose_his/
"The burden of proof is on you to prove that you did not know the controlled substance [was] in [the package]. Nobody is going to believe that somebody ordered an expensive product in your name and you had no idea. Not signing for the package did not help at all."
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Perhaps you are right, but what WOULD you call it if you got 2 pkg's requiring a sig that shouldn't be?
Vendor error.
Vendor lying.
These options are far more likely than LE dropping off drugs at your house and not arresting you.
^ this.
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CD for cannabis seeds sounds like bullshit unless you ordered twenty thousand or something, those are almost always love letters.
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LE would have most probably have nicked you as soon as it was signed for . Here & the UK they do controlled deliveries
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and write "Return to Render" on all mail no matter what before u open it, only open when you're ready for it (ex, use/sell)
Yeah, it's time to dispel that myth.
http://www.reddit.com/r/SilkRoad/comments/1f1joh/things_i_learned_from_watching_my_cousin_lose_his/
"The burden of proof is on you to prove that you did not know the controlled substance [was] in [the package]. Nobody is going to believe that somebody ordered an expensive product in your name and you had no idea. Not signing for the package did not help at all."
But lots of people order stuff to random houses, in the occupants name, and intercept it before they check their mail. So it is perfectly believable that somebody ordered something expensive in the name of someone else, without the someone else being aware of it. It happens all the time.
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and write "Return to Render" on all mail no matter what before u open it, only open when you're ready for it (ex, use/sell)
Yeah, it's time to dispel that myth.
http://www.reddit.com/r/SilkRoad/comments/1f1joh/things_i_learned_from_watching_my_cousin_lose_his/
"The burden of proof is on you to prove that you did not know the controlled substance [was] in [the package]. Nobody is going to believe that somebody ordered an expensive product in your name and you had no idea. Not signing for the package did not help at all."
But lots of people order stuff to random houses, in the occupants name, and intercept it before they check their mail. So it is perfectly believable that somebody ordered something expensive in the name of someone else, without the someone else being aware of it. It happens all the time.
They have to prove you guilty...otherwise its assumed youre innocent. just remember if shit hits the fan, duct tape your mouth haha
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Hmm... I've had the post office take it upon themselves to add signature requirements for international packages before. Were the packages of dom or intl origins?
And everyones comments seem about right for a CD. I'd think they'd bust you right then & there. Could they be trying to build a case? Are you moving weight or starting up a growhouse?
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Can't believe there'd be a controlled delivery for some seeds or smallish quantities of anything for that matter. Most likely to be seized and with your name/address flagged. They'll build up intel before doing anything and surely they have bigger 'fish to fry'. Probably vendor error. Reading different threads suggests it does happen.
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It's fucked up, but that's the way it is.
Indeed...
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SR is over for me. fuk. I recently had 2 CD's (i.e., requiring my sigs) delivered. I wasn't too concerned for the first--it was a cIII and just thought the vendor was fukked up. The 2nd one occurred when I ordered some mj seeds. My wife signed for them (she's clueless). I knew then at this point that I was being targeted (as I contacted one vendor who denied reg'ing a sig.) So now I'm fukked. What's worse is that I currently have a couple of pending orders with some serious shit. I've pm'd them to cancel, but it's the end of the road for me.
I've been around here for over a year and never had an issue until now. It's been good while it lasted. I have no idea how they pin pointed me either. I guess I'm lucky they didn't have a warrant when the 2nd one was delivered. Now I'm prepared. This is so fukked up....
THIS IS HOW BRUV ...
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=164646.msg1166465#msg1166465 FUC KING RAT BASTARDS.
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It was mentioned on another thread that USPS has changed the signature protocol for Priority mail (I think it was Priority) - apparently it used to be for the sender to check a box for signature on delivery, however this is now the default setting and delivery without a signature requires the box to be 'un-ticked'. Can anyone else comment on this?
If I'm recalling this correctly it might explain why your deliveries are arriving with signature required.
I also agree that if LE was conducting a CD, they would have invited themselves in already. After all, if it is a CD and they leave you with the product and you consume it, hide it, relocate it ... where is the evidence for conviction? ;)
PB.
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Having to sign for a package doesn't seem like a CD to me. I get a ton of legitimate parcels in the mail, and I often have to sign unexpectedly. I'd say a CD is when you get busted, not when you have to sign for your parcel.
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It seems more like a Vendor error or something. I agree with all those that said the cops are not gonna let you enjoy your drugs.
If it was INT Mail then sometimes regardless they will make u sign, Iv had many of things sent from a certain Place just reg mail, and unless it was expressed the post carrier would just leave it in the box, well one day the rotated shifts at the P O and i had to sign for a package that normally i had never signed for.
Good thing to be cautious but i think your in the clear bro. Someone between SR and you Po fuked it up it seems..
Pot seeds ? Come on bro!
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this is a joke.. dont make post saying CD unless ur door got kicked in..
u simply signed for a package..
it could of been a mistake by the vender
or a mistake by the mailman..
either way.. you are good to go.. be happy ur door didnt get kicked in..
and wtf? dont ever sign for any drugs..
unless u like getting sent to jail and having to pay lawyer fees..
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if they did a CD you would have gotten a look a like substance-not actual drugs. And from what ive read yo ass would be in cuffs asap(probably couldnt have shut the door)
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Having to sign for a package doesn't seem like a CD to me. I get a ton of legitimate parcels in the mail, and I often have to sign unexpectedly. I'd say a CD is when you get busted, not when you have to sign for your parcel.
^^THIS^^
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seeds? maybe they want to arrest you after the plants are fully grown!
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See ya.
( But it's too late, they'll stop at nothing, they KNOW.)
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Hello OP.
Now chill, take a deep breath. You are not being controlled delivered :) I know this one thing for sure that tracked stuff ordered from the EU sometimes require a sig, even though this might not the be protocol within EU.
If you were being targeted, you'd been cuffed and SWAT would've raided your house (possibly shot your dog :D) by now.
One thing I still do not understand about this American paranoia of signing for orders. If a tracked package that has your name on it is delivered to your house and requires a signiture, who the hell would turn it away and say they'd haven't ordered anything? It could be a present? If that kind of prosecution evidence was valid in court, I'd pack my shit and move to New Zealand straight away. Otherwise anyone could order a kilo of coke to someone's house they do not like and make sure the package requires a signiture, landing the enemy at least 10 years of sodomizing time in a private "carehome".
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Perhaps you are right, but what WOULD you call it if you got 2 pkg's requiring a sig that shouldn't be?
Vendor error.
Vendor lying.
These options are far more likely than LE dropping off drugs at your house and not arresting you.
^ this.
^ that.
I think you're just jumping into conclusions. They would of busted down your door after the first package. Needless to say, don't snooze and let your guard down. Find a new drop spot for a while and just see what happens the next few months.
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and write "Return to Render" on all mail no matter what before u open it, only open when you're ready for it (ex, use/sell)
Yeah, it's time to dispel that myth.
http://www.reddit.com/r/SilkRoad/comments/1f1joh/things_i_learned_from_watching_my_cousin_lose_his/
"The burden of proof is on you to prove that you did not know the controlled substance [was] in [the package]. Nobody is going to believe that somebody ordered an expensive product in your name and you had no idea. Not signing for the package did not help at all."
There was another reply on that thread from someone who claimed to be an attorney:
If you are in the US, you are simply wrong, the burden of proof is NEVER on the defendant in a criminal trial. This gets a little tricky in the case of affirmative defenses, but it is true generally. The prosecution always has the burden to prove EVERY element of their case beyond a reasonable doubt. The jury not needing a unanimous vote is correct in the cases of some jurisdictions and some felonies.
(Source: Current civil attorney and previous public defender here).
[–]srthrowawy
From an attorney's perspective then, if you are the target of a cd, what can one do to indemnify himself?
[–]MnAttny
First of all, I don't think indemnify means what you think it does :). I think the advice that is put forth on this sub is generally correct. Do not sign for the package, do not invite the police into your home without a warrant, do not talk to the police (ask for a lawyer). The deny deny deny line of thought is somewhat flawed as this can merely be a means of impeaching your credibility later on. The best course of action is to say nothing at all and request a public defender, or if you have the means, your own attorney.
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Wait you mail to yourself?
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I don't think you got CD'ed BUT i would still lay low for a little while just to make sure
if it was seeds that you supposedly got CD'ed for then could it be possible the police are waiting for you to plant the seeds before knocking down your door and thus making a stronger case?
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Those were not CD's. Let me paste something from a thread on Reddit:
For the past year, my cousin has been fighting an uphill battle against the state. He hasn't been sentenced yet, but according to the sentencing guidelines, he will get at least get 3-5 years. That's if he's lucky. I learned a lot through the process and sat through the trial. Here's what I found out about the legal system.
The prosecution does not have to prove you knew drugs were in your package. They just have to prove you knew you were in possession of the package and the packaged contained controlled substances. The burden of proof is on you to prove that you did not know the controlled substance in it. Nobody is going to believe that somebody ordered an expensive product in your name and you had no idea. Not signing for the package did not help at all.
You are expected to help the police arrest other people. Sentences can be reduced if you bring in 5 people to get yourself off. Most people take this route.
People still get arrested for possession. The police aren't only going after dealers, although that's who they prefer and who they want you to help them capture.
Police don't need a warrant to have drug dogs sniff packages at the post office and a hit on a package or packages from known drug trafficking locations is enough to sustain a warrant to search your house.
Everything can be paraphernalia. Even if it's just cash, you have to prove you obtained it legally to get it back.
This blew my mind. The jury verdict does not have to be unanimous. A majority vote can convict you.
If they wanted to arrest you, they already would have.
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when the next orders arrives, just trow them right into trash, without taking inside.
dont know, but maybe will help ?
Yes this will look totally innocent....thats what i do with unexpected mail.
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dude you're fine... seriously. don't worry about it. vendors make mistakes sometimes, and lie to cover their asses, and sometimes they just honestly don't know what happened, a lot of the top vendors are actually crews of people of course and things can get very confusing. you aren't on a "watch list" (most likely), esp if you're just ordering SEEDS and stuff like that, i mean if you were pulling in a oz of blow and a skiboot full of pills a week straight out of broward county there'd be more to worry about... people say you can never be too paranoid, but there is a point of diminishing returns...
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If you didn't get raided / arrested, you weren't CD'ed
LE won't give you a chance to use / redistribute the drugs.
You got packages from some vendors who set the shipping to require a signature, that's all.
Exactly Astor - Police don't think 'Lets send him drugs and not do anything about it once they are in his possesion.'
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yes seems very unlikely for some cannabis seeds
if you have prior convictions for cultivation or distribution they may be watching you. if they arrest you arrest you for growing, i'm sure they will use your signature for the seeds against you in court.
if you are unknown to them i cant see them wasting time doing a CD for some seeds and then not arresting you. it makes no sense.
i didnt even know seeds were illegal :o