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Market => Rumor mill => Topic started by: aoeniacqc on May 15, 2013, 06:37 pm
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It appears he sent me MDPV instead of 4-MEC. After having what I consider to be a near-death experience after ingesting the substance, I figured you guys need to know what's up.
4-MEC should look like glass shards: http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/show_image.php?i=4_methylethcathinone/4-methylethcathinone_powder__i2011e0488_disp.jpg
MDPV looks like a white/off-white fine powder: http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/mdpv/images/archive/mdpv_powder__i2008e0299_disp.jpg
IF YOUR 4-MEC LOOKS LIKE AN OFF-WHITE POWDER, DO NOT USE IT! Either throw it away, or get it tested to see if it is MDPV and then use it as such if you so desire.
MDPV has an active dosage of ~25mg, 4-MEC dosage is 100-200mg. I did not know the difference in their appearance because I've never come in contact with either substance, so the off-white powder (instead of crystal shards) did not alert me. I took 125mg in a capsule at 8PM and felt intense euphoria and stimulation for an hour or two. Then the positive effects faded, and an assault of negative effects hit me for hours and hours. I had intense insomnia. My brain felt completely zapped - I could barely form thoughts, barely move, holding a water glass took too much dexterity.
By 4AM I was absolutely exhausted but had 0% chance of sleeping. My muscles in my arms and legs were involuntarily twitching, as were my eyes and eyelids. I was having aural and visual hallucinations. I felt terribly hungry but the thought of putting food in my body was terrible.
By noon the next day, I still hadn't slept, but mostly catatonic (laying in bed, unable to sleep, but unable to process anything around me either). I felt nauseous and was having trouble with a highly elevated and irregular heartbeat. I felt like I was on the verge of a heart attack.
This was the closest feeling to an OD that I've ever felt and I'm an experienced psychonaut. I finally got to sleep by 3PM the next day (horribly restless sleep) and woke up 3 hours later unable to sleep more. My sleep cycle was totally fucked for the next 3-5 days. My energy levels were near zero, I'd just get home from my desk job and sit in a mind haze for hours. I started taking two multivitamins a day, and magnesium tablets, to combat the persistent muscle spasms.
This is day 12 since that incident and I've felt like I'm back to normal since day ~10. This was not a 'bad trip' or me being unable to cope with a drug - it was very plainly not 4-MEC, which is a decidedly tame stimulant at that dosage.
I have no ulterior motives here - it was a $30 purchase that I'm not even going to bother to try to regain from the vendor, I don't care about the money. I just don't want to see anyone else get hurt. I'm trying to decide between just flushing the product, or getting it chemically tested to make sure it is MDPV and not something else, in case I should follow up with some other form of mind/body repair treatment.
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Thanks for the heads up! ;)
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By the way, this does not appear to be a one-time issue, as I ordered 1 gram and received two 0.5g packets the same envelope. Then a few days later I received another package with the same substance (visually, at least), in a single 1g packet.
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@everyone: when you get a new substance, always start with a very low dosage.
@op: Glad you're ok.
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I would encourage you to report the vendor, or at the very least, his listing for this!
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this is why bags should be labeled. Even on the SR bags should be labeled; even if its in code for the customer to know what he has.
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Thanks, I'll do that now. The listing is now down so it looks like he ran out of 4-MEC (if he ever had it).
@slirp: Sadly, I've allergy tested every single substance I've gotten from the road except for this one. I don't even know why, since this was a new substance with a short come-up, there was no reason, not even impatience, not to allergy test.
Consider it a lesson learned, and yeah, I'm really glad I seem to be okay too.
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Also, make sure you change your feedback to warn others!
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hope everyone is okay :( that could have been nasty
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(Sorry for such a long reply but I tried covering my entire experience with this vendor not including all but I didn't want anyone angry since some of you don't like reading so much.)
I don't think the vendor should be reported. I've bought from chembros in the past and experienced this very same thing. It's confusing especially if you order over one product. Usually, the bags are labeled but the marker writing is usually faded and rubs off the bags really easily. I'd order M1 and MDPV together sometimes, when the label is rubbed off, I'd find which one is the MDPV by checking for the white fluffy powder, and the M1 was usually crystal, a small taste/smell test would also work for me so luckily I never got into this kind of situation, I've always thought even if I was sent the wrong order, it wouldn't be *too much* of a risk as long as it wasn't MDPV, and MDPV is clumpy with a distinct odor. The taste is somewhat not easy to recognize if you aren't experienced. M1 on the other hand has no odor imo, and the taste is very bitter. Back on topic, chembros has fucked up my orders in the past, and it was quite irritating that I preordered their MDPV, and was excited to open it, only to see a single Cialis pill. I was fucking pissed. Everyone is always saying they don't reply to messages, this was true for me until I realized you need to make the subject something that will catch their eye so they know it's important. Their messaging will still take a while, but after putting "Problem with order" or something in the title, I got a reply within 2 days, and got compensated with a fat 3 gram bag of PV. They do abuse MDPV, I know from messaging the vendor and they let me know how the product is. They'd really be great vendors if they weren't so negligent. I've also received my orders from them with ".25" or ".5" after my name on the envelope, I hope that was a mistake and they weren't just using those markings to let you know how much you ordered, lol. Their products are fine, everyone here just really needs to be careful and test everything first. I loved this vendor and always got what I ordered within 2-3 days, I won't be using them anymore because of their weak M1 which disappointed me with no effects at a 300mg dose, not sure if the 5mg of PV I dosed before that had anything to do with the serotonin and dopamine properties interacting, but the combo hasn't failed me before so I believe it was the product. I also ordered a 250mg bag of MDPV and was sent almost a gram, got careless and ended up in the hospital, now I have lucid nightmares so that ended my PV use and even typing such a long reply scares the shit out of me because it reminds me of the urge to type while on PV. Chembros are nice people and always send shit way overweight half the time, but also sometimes didn't get the orders right. Before reporting them, please try and get in communication with them and if they see your message, I'm sure you'll be compensated.
Update: I was going to check their vendor page but it seems either they got reported too much or just stopped selling, and qd8714's account has no listings up. I'll leave my reply here either way if they decide to return (if they weren't banned.)
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wow thats crazy.. I've Od'ed on uknown chemical once it was scary as hell.
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Sorasgaze: I respect your opinion but I disagree. If you sell multiple different kinds of powders and crystals with drastically different dosages, I believe there's zero margin for error. I absolutely take responsibility for the fact that I didn't allergy test - but this is a precaution I should take to protect myself, not to protect a vendor. The fact that this has happened to other people, too, makes me even less comfortable.
I'm not trying to start a witchhunt here. I didn't even report the vendor until Scout suggested it (I don't really know what is grounds for vendor account termination or not). I just don't want other people to get hurt.
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i quick google could of prevented that from happening. ;)
they look totally different, but that being said that makes you wonder how the fuck it even happened in first place.
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Sorasgaze: I respect your opinion but I disagree. If you sell multiple different kinds of powders and crystals with drastically different dosages, I believe there's zero margin for error. I absolutely take responsibility for the fact that I didn't allergy test - but this is a precaution I should take to protect myself, not to protect a vendor. The fact that this has happened to other people, too, makes me even less comfortable.
I'm not trying to start a witchhunt here. I didn't even report the vendor until Scout suggested it (I don't really know what is grounds for vendor account termination or not). I just don't want other people to get hurt.
Ah, okay. I see. Also, thought this was funny so I'll let you know. When they got a new batch of MDPV, I purchased an amount and messaged them asking about the quality, the reply I got was exactly this: "so whacked the fuck out on this shit cant stop touching my pussy such a distraction" Lmao, that message pretty much revealed that they do abuse their product. Haha.
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These guys are bad vendors, risk your personal security and sometimes pretend to be women. I had made an order with them way back when my account was just a buyer account. Was okay..took forever to arrive and was just average at best. Go nine months later and I've been a vendor for sometime selling among other things MDPV. I get a message from they trying to get to join in a price fixing scheme with them. I don't go for it and in fact expose what they are doing on the forums. And I get a pm from them claiming to still have my shipping info (even back then I used drops, and that one was long dead) from the many months before and making threats about messing up my stats by placing order and leaving review, and generally crappy shit. I as a vendor would never keep any personal information on a customers a moment longer then needed let alone for many months.
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These guys are bad vendors, risk your personal security and sometimes pretend to be women. I had made an order with them way back when my account was just a buyer account. Was okay..took forever to arrive and was just average at best. Go nine months later and I've been a vendor for sometime selling among other things MDPV. I get a message from they trying to get to join in a price fixing scheme with them. I don't go for it and in fact expose what they are doing on the forums. And I get a pm from them claiming to still have my shipping info (even back then I used drops, and that one was long dead) from the many months before and making threats about messing up my stats by placing order and leaving review, and generally crappy shit. I as a vendor would never keep any personal information on a customers a moment longer then needed let alone for many months.
They go too far with trying to be "the best MDPV vendors", they have a new vendor account now under the name "2hotchicks" saying they're new vendors, not sure if they're trying to fool people or not but either way it's obvious with their product image designs and their style of forming sentences and spelling. They used to be my favorites when I first started as a buyer but now they don't have anything to offer except MDPV so I'm not interested since I'd end up in a hospital the next time I touch that shit. I don't know why that price fixing bothered you, you can always sell for less but with a great feedback score like yours, you would always get more buyers that wouldn't have to worry about random packages coming to your house and the possibility that your order would even come. You've made yourself to be the new go-to guy for MDPV, they've had barely any sales on their new account.
Oh yeah, I'm about to shoot you a message on SR about my order too. :)
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These guys are bad vendors, risk your personal security and sometimes pretend to be women. I had made an order with them way back when my account was just a buyer account. Was okay..took forever to arrive and was just average at best. Go nine months later and I've been a vendor for sometime selling among other things MDPV. I get a message from they trying to get to join in a price fixing scheme with them. I don't go for it and in fact expose what they are doing on the forums. And I get a pm from them claiming to still have my shipping info (even back then I used drops, and that one was long dead) from the many months before and making threats about messing up my stats by placing order and leaving review, and generally crappy shit. I as a vendor would never keep any personal information on a customers a moment longer then needed let alone for many months.
Yea, some vendor hit me with threats in my inbox too telling me I better raise my prices or they were going to snitch or some shit like that. It's pathetic, any of the good vendors here understands it's just business and wouldn't bother making threats. If you have good products and good customer service/shipping you wouldn't worry about a new vendor like myself stepping in. You especially wouldn't worry about losing customers just because of my price being a little lower than yours. This is a free market, and you can never get mad at competition, in fact, I like a lot of the vendors here and I actually have been choosing vendors I find active on the forums that seem to be trustworthy on my vendors page as a recommended supplier. There is enough business for all of the true good vendors here but if your selling bunk or unknown chemicals or if you don't know what the hell your doing or don't give a shit about your customers there is no room for you and you will probably fail on here very fast. This is what scares these other vendors who make's these kind of threats, they know you are a better vendor than they are and they are afraid to lose the few customers they have managed to hold onto. Anyways, just my $0.02 don't take it to heart.