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Market => Rumor mill => Topic started by: blowdrobro on May 07, 2013, 11:57 am
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I just bought ~400$ worth the BTC from Kwick Ficks via his listing. He's cashed my MP but I'm still waiting on the coins to come to me. Has anyone has used him? he's been a vendor for 2 months and has 35 transaction 5 or so for Mp to BTC.
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Well, 5 hours still no word. My moneypak has been cashed :( hope its just something silly, you know all our SRers are paranoid of being scammed, but I'm trying to help prospective buyers. I will update as soon as he gets in contact with me. Thanks!
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I've used Kwick Flicks a LOT. Both for actual items and bitcoins. Never had an issue.
I'm confident he is just sidetracked, nothing to worry about. If something is up, I would be extremely surprised. Out of all the vendors I've worked with in the past year and a half, he is the only one I FE for and deal with for MP to BTC transactions.
Something could have happened, but I'd say you are safe. If you haven't gotten a response from him in a few hours, let me know and I'll reach out to him.
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Well he just canceled my order today. The MP IS cashed and no contact from this dude. Im contacting SR support to report him. I did their buying system. So far looks like I've been scammed.
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I've used Kwick Flicks a LOT. Both for actual items and bitcoins. Never had an issue.
I'm confident he is just sidetracked, nothing to worry about. If something is up, I would be extremely surprised. Out of all the vendors I've worked with in the past year and a half, he is the only one I FE for and deal with for MP to BTC transactions.
Something could have happened, but I'd say you are safe. If you haven't gotten a response from him in a few hours, let me know and I'll reach out to him.
I would greatly appreciate anything you can do for me my friend, thanks.
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He is now taking another moneypak, saying he has the same $415 aval. but he has yet to message me back or say anything about the situation. If you're thinking about buying from him I would wait to see if I get my coin.
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Weird. I tried reaching him, but haven't heard back. The guy is usually really easy to deal with and doesn't fuck around (shipping times are next day/BTC transfers are instant usually). He might not have enough bitcoin for you and is waiting for more to go into his account? I don't know.
I'll let you know if I hear back from him - I'm sure it will all work out man.
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Cool brother, you've helped calm my fears for a moment. You're a good man. I'm fine with waiting, I just wish he would let me know that he needs more time. Hope it all works out and I have another standup goto BTC vendor.
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I bought his new MP to BTC listing and asked him whats going on in the shipping info box. Hope he will at least see it and give me a response.
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He has viewed and canceled the order and he's relisted it again, but he has not responded to my message. For now I assume he's busy, waiting for another buyer release, or btc value to go up. I will update my status, if nothing else this will give future buyers confidence in kwick ficks
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He has viewed and canceled the order and he's relisted it again, but he has not responded to my message. For now I assume he's busy, waiting for another buyer release, or btc value to go up. I will update my status, if nothing else this will give future buyers confidence in kwick ficks
So you provided him with an MP code, he cashed it, refuses to respond to you, and continually cancels new orders you place with him?
There is NO REASON for a vendor to cash your MP and not send you the bitcoins immediately. If they are doing that, then they should absolutely be reported because that is highly suspicious.
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Exactly right. I've contacted SR support but there's a 48 hour delay. Thank you, scout.
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+1 for both you guys, I use it sparingly but I really appreciate both your help.
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Also kind of strange that he charges no fees to process MP for BTC...
I've done MP for BTC 3 times, all with Sugar Mama, who must have 1000+ transactions from looking at her profile and review thread. She charges 10-20%, meaning she could make more staying legit for the long-run than she would if she just did a runner one day...
Subbing here just because I'm curious how this turns out. I hope you get your coin!
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Right buddy, I took a bit of a leap of faith, but I don't think I did anything too risky. Hell the SR vendor account cost over 500. I used the channels I felt were proper (I.e. used SRs buy feature and put the MP in shipping). Time will tell I will update on status--I def want him to be legit lol.
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Right buddy, I took a bit of a leap of faith, but I don't think I did anything too risky. Hell the SR vendor account cost over 500. I used the channels I felt were proper (I.e. used SRs buy feature and put the MP in shipping). Time will tell I will update on status--I def want him to be legit lol.
Ah, you're right--I forgot about the vendor fees. And for someone that's looking to cash out of excess BTC quickly, I could see how he would do it for free. Good luck, man.
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No response from staff or Kwick Ficks tonight. Hopefully tomorrow it will be sorted out. At the moment, I would NOT recommended anyone to buy BTC via moneypak with Kwick Ficks. I will continue to update this thread for other prospective buyers. thanks.
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Still no word. This is driving me nuts lol. I hope kingpin can at least helpe me get a word from him.
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I would say it's pretty safe to assume that you were, indeed, scammed. Unfortunately, SR can't offer support for these kinds of transactions because by their very nature they take place outside of the escrow system.
What you CAN still do is make sure to leave feedback to warn others, and consider either changing the title of your thread here or starting a new one to help warn others about this vendor's scamming.
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seems like you got scammed bud, hate to say it but it isnt looking too good. I know how it feels, i was taken for $450 a couple weeks ago the exact same way. Its good you made this post, at least you can save others from falling for his scam too. Hopefully he comes through for you. are all his listings for <$50? The vendor i bought from had over 100 transactions and 100 vendor score, but he prob faked all of it. thats why he only listed things for small amounts so he could buy them himself over and over.
Good Luck!
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I would say it's pretty safe to assume that you were, indeed, scammed. Unfortunately, SR can't offer support for these kinds of transactions because by their very nature they take place outside of the escrow system.
What you CAN still do is make sure to leave feedback to warn others, and consider either changing the title of your thread here or starting a new one to help warn others about this vendor's scamming.
this is what everyone says every time this happens but i dont see why the vendor couldnt be required to put the amount of coin he is selling into escrow and then release it after receiving the MP
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That would be pretty poor support if this dude made off with my cash and SR is going to let him KEEP vending? I can verify my reputation for trading bitcoin for moneypaks with MANY vendors on here with 300+ transactions, etc. Before the order was canceled the Moneypak code was in the shipping details. It should therefore be documented. Futhermore, I could prove this moneypak was cashed after the transaction was placed and canceled.
I understand if he is just running off with my money there's not much SR can do, but if its sitting in his account and he's continuing to vend I'd hope they'd help a 10 month+ old buyer with alomst 500 BTC transactions out.
I have yet to get a word from Staff or Kwick.
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seems like you got scammed bud, hate to say it but it isnt looking too good. I know how it feels, i was taken for $450 a couple weeks ago the exact same way. Its good you made this post, at least you can save others from falling for his scam too. Hopefully he comes through for you. are all his listings for <$50? The vendor i bought from had over 100 transactions and 100 vendor score, but he prob faked all of it. thats why he only listed things for small amounts so he could buy them himself over and over.
Good Luck!
d0z3r--Mind naming the vendor who scammed you so that I make sure never to use him, if he is still even around? Thanks! Sugar Mama, my go-to for MP-BTC, is on vacay and after seeing the unfortunate happen to blowdrobro, it reminds me how risky these transactions are... Makes me want to actually wait a few weeks for Sugar Mama to come back, or get off my lazy-ass and do BitInstant.
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it was 'xanax bar' or something similar, he has since lost his account but would not be surprised if he is back at it under a new nick. would be nice to get a reliable MP to btc vendor with some decent rates, drugs are expensive enough without adding 10-20% on top
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it was 'xanax bar' or something similar, he has since lost his account but would not be surprised if he is back at it under a new nick. would be nice to get a reliable MP to btc vendor with some decent rates, drugs are expensive enough without adding 10-20% on top
I agree. I'm thinking about trying CoinXchange, who charges 8% and sometimes even lower. The 10-20% premium SugarMama is high but it gives me a little peace of mind knowing that she has no incentive to scam if she has a ton of loyal, regular customers. Whereas someone charging less may one day, on a whim, decide to do a runner. Not saying that this reasoning is bulletproof by any means, but that's how I justify to myself paying high MP-BTC fees, because you're right... shit's already expensive as it is.
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I agree with you both. I've demonstrated the necessity in working with reliable vendors who you can trust. While I used all the proper channels to buy from this vendor, I was still burned and have yet hear anything from him or SR staff. I have since used the exchange system on BMR and found it much better. They require the vendor to place the coin and escrow before they can even create a 'selling option'. Worked well for the 3 transactions I've done thus far. Any help from SR staff would be greatly appreciated.
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Man I hate to hear this bro, I am subbing to this to keep up with your situation. I have never used him, but I am glad I ran across this because I was looking for some suboxone/subutex earlier and I came across his listing for the 8mg subutex, but then he says he needs FE if the buyer has any AF or refunds. And I had one AF (1 out of like 58 transactions) so he would need me to FE. I wasn't planning on doing it, but I did have it bookmarked. After reading this I most definitely won't be messing with him.
The only vendor I have used for MP's is Sugar Mama, I have no idea how many transactions she has done, but she has like 1300 fans, so I assume she has done a LOT of them. And like the previous poster said, it seems fishy that this guy isn't charging any fee.
I hope you get your BTC, and I'll be crossing my fingers for you brother, but I kind of got one of my "spidey senses" going off when I was debating about placing an order with him, and it kept me from doing it.
Best of luck, and keep us in the loop
-AAfive
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I had a order in yesterday, apparently I asked too many times about the order. I kept asking because he never responded. It was very late. He finally cancelled my order and said nothing just a Do Not Reply.
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Thanks for the comments guys, appreciate the help and well wishes from my brothers.
It may sounds like I'm gasping at straws here, but maybe he's having some trouble and trying to recover? He isn't listing up Moneypaks for sale anymore, but he's still taking orders and ignoring my messages. Of course these no reason why he shouldn't respond to me if that's the case.
No word from SR or Kwick again tonight. I hope I can get my cash or at least SR will shut down this guy if he is scamming. I will continue to update.
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Thanks for the comments guys, appreciate the help and well wishes from my brothers.
It may sounds like I'm gasping at straws here, but maybe he's having some trouble and trying to recover? He isn't listing up Moneypaks for sale anymore, but he's still taking orders and ignoring my messages. Of course these no reason why he shouldn't respond to me if that's the case.
No word from SR or Kwick again tonight. I hope I can get my cash or at least SR will shut down this guy if he is scamming. I will continue to update.
Just thought I would jump back on here and tell you that I had sent him a message earlier this morning, asking about those subutex I mentioned I was looking at ordering before the FE and hearing about your situation, and it still shows that he hasn't read the message. So what I am getting at is maybe, JUST MAYBE/hopefully he isn't screwing you over and something has just kept him from being able to do anything today.
As far as SR shutting him down if he doesn't send you the BTC, I know it sucks but I don't think that is something they can/will do. I know that sucks, but I know a person who got scammed doing basically the same thing as your situation a few months ago, and the bottom line was that even tho you went through a listing, you basically did it outside of escrow. So since they have no money tied in escrow, and his other feedback being positive (even tho I agree it very likely is fluffed up by himself ) I don't think they would do anything to his vending account.
like I said, I feel for you bro and I know this sucks. But if you ever need to trade a MP for BTC in the future you should definitely use Sugar Mama (although she is on vacation for a few weeks right now), even tho she charges a pretty substantial fee.... at least you can feel confident that she will come through with her end of the agreement.
Good luck
-AAfive
PS: I really like that feature you mentioned BMR using, where the vendor has to put the btc in escrow, it would be great if SR found a way to bring MP-to-BTC into the fold and protection of official SR transactions. I am sure most people would rather pay a few dollars in SR fees and be able to feel safe that they will get their coins... I have never used BMR but that particular idea sounds really nice.
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@AAfive Thank you for the support and comments my friend. I too doubt the SR staff will be able to get me my money (although that would be nice), BUT If I can provide all the prof mentioned above SR should not allow him to continue to vend and I assume scam more people. This guy stole 440 from me that I would have LOVED to spend on some good weed, and there's absolutely no repercussion because, although I used SR system to buy the coin, there's no escrow; that sounds ridiculous to me. The fact is I can show he scammed me; he should not be allowed to continue to operate in this community.
In the future, I will probably end up using more trusted vendors for moneypaks trades with high % cuts, BUT when you spend 500+ a week this can become significant and it is very tempting to look for market priced coin--because it is there.
tl;dr--I don't think SR should get me my money, but I do think this dude should be shut down for scamming so that other member are not taken too.
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I've received 1 PM via SR forums and 1 PM on SR main about Kwick Ficks pulling the same stunt he did on me. I'm here to rely it, I wish I could do more to validate these claims before I post them, but I have enough reason to suspect they're true. Please don't work with Kwick Ficks, I hope SR can put a stop to this guy. I really hope they can help a brother out and get my coins, but I will be happy to see this dude taken down and not allowed to pull this shit. I wish we could do more to ensure that he doesn't attempt this again under a new alias.
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Still no word on my end from the vendor.
Both competing sites to SR (BMR and Atlantis) require MP to BTC transactions remain in escrow (vendor puts 450 in escrow, buyer sends MP totaling 450, if the vendor runs, the funds are in escrow). Why hasn't SR implemented this feature? It can't be that difficult to do. People get ripped off on MP transactions almost every day - this could be completely stopped if SR required them to place the bitcoins in escrow.
Sorry blowdrobro - things aren't looking good. Guy could be locked up or something else serious could have happened - like I said, I've known him forever and used for multiple transactions.
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Again thanks for commenting Kingpin. I agree with you, as I said a few post above, I have had 3 successful MP transactions via BMR's exchange service. I'm still waiting on contact from SR or Kwick ( ::)), I'll keep you guys updated.
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The staff at SR asked I give him a few more days to make good and I happily agreed, but I hope they will be as vigilant as I currently am about this guy listing MP to BTC exchanges. Since the forums is my only means of reaching out to the SR members I hope keeping this document will prevent at least some from failing for this dude.
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I think SR is really dropping the ball on this one. Give him a couple more days to make good? Really? Didnt you say he has since cancelled your order after cashing the MP? smh How many times do people need to get ripped off before they implement something like the exchange on BMR?
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I think SR is really dropping the ball on this one. Give him a couple more days to make good? Really? Didnt you say he has since cancelled your order after cashing the MP? smh How many times do people need to get ripped off before they implement something like the exchange on BMR?
The problem - I think - is that since SR cannot offer support or protection for BTC-buying transactions (like this one), they can't really use it as "proof" that a vendor is scamming people. Before they can ban a vendor, they have to have proof that he is scamming people, and I'm not sure if they consider "proof" from a transaction that they already have clearly stated they do NOT offer support for.
Not sure, but I'm still hoping they will ban him if multiple people have been scammed.
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Scout you are right, but the information I can provide to the Staff is fairly substantial--I'm a L1 law student myself. Furthermore, I'm a 10 mo. buyer with 500+ BTC transaction and .01% refund rate. I would hope that I've demonstrated my commitment to SR and the staff recognizes that. The fact that other have fallen victim makes me less optimistic about getting my cash back, but it has further demonstrated this man is scamming.
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Scout you are right, but the information I can provide to the Staff is fairly substantial--I'm a L1 law student myself. Furthermore, I'm a 10 mo. buyer with 500+ BTC transaction and .01% refund rate. I would hope that I've demonstrated my commitment to SR and the staff recognizes that. The fact that other have fallen victim makes me less optimistic about getting my cash back, but it has further demonstrated this man is scamming.
That might be the case if you were in the resolution center about an order you paid for with BTC using the escrow system, but it won't matter in this case because SR states from the outset (in the wiki) that they can not offer support for orders in which people are buying btc.
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Scout please define support.
I'm not asking for my coins from SR, they didn't take them, this vendor scammed me. The only 'support' I'm asking from SR is that they ban him so this will not happen to other members.
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Loaded up Kwick's vendor page and I see:
"Early FE at sender's request. Will update when received." from 8 hours ago.
Just thought I'd update that. Still no word from him.
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Loaded up Kwick's vendor page and I see:
"Early FE at sender's request. Will update when received." from 8 hours ago.
Just thought I'd update that. Still no word from him.
To be honest, part of the problem is that at this point, you are the only user who has reported any problems with that vendor, and it was for a transaction type that is not supported by SR, so I think that (unfortunately) nothing will happen with the vendor unless others experience similar issues with them. :(
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IF that's true scout then that is poor, poor support from SR, sub par performance from a biz that is supposed to be the best.
However I am not the only one who has been scammed. I have PMs from two other who have been scammed. They CLAIM to have also reported the action to SR. However I cannot validated their claim because I don't have the ability, but I I do think that the level of action I'm requesting is by no means out of line and this would be expected in ANY other business that includes BMR.
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IF that's true scout then that is poor, poor support from SR, sub par performance from a biz that is supposed to be the best.
However I am not the only one who has been scammed. I have PMs from two other who have been scammed. They CLAIM to have also reported the action to SR. However I cannot validated their claim because I don't have the ability, but I I do think that the level of action I'm requesting is by no means out of line and this would be expected in ANY other business that includes BMR.
SR states in its buyer guide that it does not (note: CAN NOT) offer support for transactions where you're purchasing btc on the site using moneypak, wu, moneygram, etc. If people choose to ignore that fact and purchase from btc vendors in spite of the lack of support, that is not SR's fault - that is the decision of the buyer, and it is stated from the outset that those transactions ARE NOT SUPPORTED.
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FWIW, I received an order from this vendor yesterday. One day shipping. I'm not saying that you weren't scammed out of your MP, because honestly I believe you were! I can understand the reluctance of SR to ban a vendor that is shipping product. You should reach out to everyone that was scammed and have them report the vendor - maybe that will help your cause.
I still think the fault lies in SR's MP to BTC listings. I said it before and I'll say it again - Every one of the competing sites have ESCROW for these transactions - we should too!!!! Why hasn't this been implemented?
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IF that's true scout then that is poor, poor support from SR, sub par performance from a biz that is supposed to be the best.
However I am not the only one who has been scammed. I have PMs from two other who have been scammed. They CLAIM to have also reported the action to SR. However I cannot validated their claim because I don't have the ability, but I I do think that the level of action I'm requesting is by no means out of line and this would be expected in ANY other business that includes BMR.
SR states in its buyer guide that it does not (note: CAN NOT) offer support for transactions where you're purchasing btc on the site using moneypak, wu, moneygram, etc. If people choose to ignore that fact and purchase from btc vendors in spite of the lack of support, that is not SR's fault - that is the decision of the buyer, and it is stated from the outset that those transactions ARE NOT SUPPORTED.
they DONT Support escrow from MP MG, etc, not can't--I've not done 8 transactions on BMR via Moneypak all in their escrow. There's no reason why SR cannot do the same, NONE. If they choose not to implement this VERY basic feature for the safety of their DEDICATED BUYER base, that's just a POOR business model. SR staff told me to contact them again in 2 days (~40 hours ago) if this dude doesn't deliver. I will soon. I'll keep you guys posted.
EDIT: @ kingpin, I agree with you my friend. I'm actually in the process of doing what you suggested.
-All three of the member who claim to have been scammed have reported it to SR.
-One of the buyers and myself have been buying his MP listing every time and asking him "where the fucks our money?"
Hopefully this will slow the out right blatant scamming going on. I noticed he has no listing currently (7AM EST), but he's probably reloading with others and my money.
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Just for kicks I messaged Kwick Ficks about when his Moneypak to BTC listing would be back up.
He responded within minutes: "They should be up now bro"
What a shady fuck. I'm sorry that you have to deal with this :(
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Here's more of the exchange.
ozymandias2013 Heard some people using your services that never received their coin--I'd love to use your services since you charge no fee but I'd like to know what happened to the other people first so I can rest easier. Thanks, I appreciate your time.
Kwick Ficks(100) Who's saying that? I haven't sold any coins for a while now and haven't received any complaints via message or feedback.
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Does anyone know any actual legit vendors? Jumbo doesn't have any listings up, and sugar is on vacation.
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just saw he was selling more BTC via MP. Bought them all out and left this message.
"Dude you need to give me my fucking money."
This is total bullshit SR has dropped the ball IMO. This dude is going to continue to scam as many people as he can. I'm doing my best to get the word out.
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Another buyer came forward to report being scammed by this vendor. I passed the info along to staff, so I would seriously hope this now qualifies as "enough" for them to shut down the asshole's account.
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Another buyer came forward to report being scammed by this vendor. I passed the info along to staff, so I would seriously hope this now qualifies as "enough" for them to shut down the asshole's account.
Thanks Scout; as always, much respect.
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Again, I'm sorry that this happened. :\
I wonder if we should change the title of this thread to warn people that Kwick Ficks is a scammer?
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Does anyone know any actual legit vendors? Jumbo doesn't have any listings up, and sugar is on vacation.
try rxking if he has his WU for btc listing up. Make sure you read his whole listing though. He is legit, you have nothing to worry about with him.
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Just popping in to let you all know that Kwick Ficks has been banned!
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That is great news!
@blowdrobro Good lookin out. Sorry about your $ :( But I'm sure you're glad at least you helped stop this guy from taking other people's money.
Hope you're all having a nice weekend. Any mothers out there, haha? Happy Mother's Day!
~ozy
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Just popping in to let you all know that Kwick Ficks has been banned!
I have been following this thread, and I just want to give a big KUDOS to the OP for sticking to his guns, and for the other buyers who were scammed for stepping forward. The only way we can expect change and to keep growing is to stick together and help each other out.
I would also like to give a big KUDOS to Scout, for a forum with so few moderators he does an amazing job of finding the threads that need him, and doing a great job to help the members out!
Great job by both of you
-AAfive
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Just popping in to let you all know that Kwick Ficks has been banned!
I have been following this thread, and I just want to give a big KUDOS to the OP for sticking to his guns, and for the other buyers who were scammed for stepping forward. The only way we can expect change and to keep growing is to stick together and help each other out.
I would also like to give a big KUDOS to Scout, for a forum with so few moderators he does an amazing job of finding the threads that need him, and doing a great job to help the members out!
Great job by both of you
-AAfive
I totally agree with you about giving kudos to the OP for reporting his experience and helping to warn others even though he knew he wouldn't be able to get his money back. That's good real-life karma, and it will come back to him!
(and thank you for your kind words - really needed that today. :) ... )
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Thanks, guys, and I really do appreciate the work Scout. I will miss the money no doubt, but if I can do anything to help my fellow SR members I will, and I think many of the posters on here feel the same way. Really glad to see this guy is down, now I gotta hit the grind and get some more coins lol.
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Thanks, guys, and I really do appreciate the work Scout. I will miss the money no doubt, but if I can do anything to help my fellow SR members I will, and I think many of the posters on here feel the same way. Really glad to see this guy is down, now I gotta hit the grind and get some more coins lol.
I might recommend a service like Bitinstant or Bitcopia or Blue Sky Traders ... something that doesn't involve an MP vendor on SR. It's just too easy to be scammed buying btc with MPs here. :(
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Cool, I thought he was scamming. There wasn't any new feedback for a while but he kept reposting new product. Thanks blowdrobro Scout and everybody else involved