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Discussion => Newbie discussion => Topic started by: Anatheama on April 27, 2013, 09:44 pm
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So, had a previous large order with the above seller, on a more recent one I (stupidly, and against my better judgement) FE'd, and at first I thought everything was good. Shipping was fast, the product appeared clean, and based upon the quality I'd been sent the time before (which was very good!) I was very happy.
It wasn't until I started giving some out and had a very angry customer come back with a pretty obvious not-MDMA reagent test result that I realised my mistake in not testing the stuff, so here it is from my own test kits:
http://i43.tinypic.com/k7tx3.jpg (warning clearnet).
Pretty clearly NOT MDMA.
I've put this forum thread up here so that other potential buyers can be warned, and so that the vendor can have a chance to make amends for what they've done.
Unfortunately I was foolish and FE'd, so there's very little that I can do asides make things very public like this.
I've tested this methylone with EZTest kits bought over the past month, as well as with some bottled marquis reagent, and it's a pure-yellow methylone reaction every time.
Edit - Link to the vendor page in question:
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/a9d0046760
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Please make sure you use the "report this vendor" link on the vendor's profile -- in the comments section of the report, mention the issue so SR can look into it.
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Please make sure you use the "report this vendor" link on the vendor's profile -- in the comments section of the report, mention the issue so SR can look into it.
Done and done.
Between the ounce of this stuff that I bought and having to give people their money back I'm out probably a grand on this order ::)
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Subscribing. I was planning on trying a bulk purchase with that guy, so thanks for saving me from that one.
Two things strike me about this case:
1- Agreeing to FE on a non-trivial order was stupid.
2- Not testing your merchandise before selling it on to someone else is also pretty stupid.
So yes, you've been pretty dumb overall.
That said, selling something as MDMA when it plainly isn't is a big deal as far as I'm concerned and I hope this was an honest mistake on the part of the vendor, because if it wasn't that's despicable.
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So yes, you've been pretty dumb overall.
Don't kick the dude when he's down, especially when he's holding his hands in the air admitting his mistake :-(
I ordered what I presumed was top shelf MDMA from a top vendor, and from recent testing it looks as if I'll be lucky if it's 60% at best.
Not testing your merchandise before selling it on to someone else is also pretty stupid.
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I hope this was an honest mistake on the part of the vendor
Meh vendor gets the benefit of the doubt, but customer is dumb for not testing?
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So yes, you've been pretty dumb overall.
Don't kick the dude when he's down, especially when he's holding his hands in the air admitting his mistake :-(
I ordered what I presumed was top shelf MDMA from a top vendor, and from recent testing it looks as if I'll be lucky if it's 60% at best.
Not testing your merchandise before selling it on to someone else is also pretty stupid.
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I hope this was an honest mistake on the part of the vendor
Meh vendor gets the benefit of the doubt, but customer is dumb for not testing?
My intention was not to side with the vendor in this case, I'll try to remain impartial until both parties have had a chance to give their side.
The buyer is guilty of being foolish, but not of acting maliciously.
The seller is either guilty of supreme incompetence or is guilty of acting maliciously. If he has indeed intentionally mis-sold Methylone as MDMA, then he deserves to be banned, but if he refunds the buyer or finds some other way to make things right then it's not necessarily the end of the world.
Either way it's good that we're having this discussion in public.
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Subscribing. I was planning on trying a bulk purchase with that guy, so thanks for saving me from that one.
Two things strike me about this case:
1- Agreeing to FE on a non-trivial order was stupid.
2- Not testing your merchandise before selling it on to someone else is also pretty stupid.
So yes, you've been pretty dumb overall.
That said, selling something as MDMA when it plainly isn't is a big deal as far as I'm concerned and I hope this was an honest mistake on the part of the vendor, because if it wasn't that's despicable.
QFT
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I posted it in their product offers thread
dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=140906.0
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If he has indeed intentionally mis-sold Methylone as MDMA, then he deserves to be banned, but if he refunds the buyer or finds some other way to make things right then it's not necessarily the end of the world.
MDUK, I would've thought you'd hold your fellow MDMA vendors to a higher standard. Honestly, I don't think there's any excuse for selling Methylone as MDMA. If you're a vendor on SR, you shouldn't be that incompetent. Impurities in drugs can kill people for fuck's sake.
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Subscribing. I was planning on trying a bulk purchase with that guy, so thanks for saving me from that one.
Two things strike me about this case:
1- Agreeing to FE on a non-trivial order was stupid.
2- Not testing your merchandise before selling it on to someone else is also pretty stupid.
So yes, you've been pretty dumb overall.
That said, selling something as MDMA when it plainly isn't is a big deal as far as I'm concerned and I hope this was an honest mistake on the part of the vendor, because if it wasn't that's despicable.
COMMAS they can get you moblynched
he meant to say
That said, selling something as MDMA when it plainly isn't,
is a big deal as far as I'm concerned and I hope this was an honest mistake on the part of the vendor, because if it wasn't that's despicable.
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this was on his vendor listing for the 3.5g he clearly states he tested it
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Update: New batch is of better quality, bright extremely clean crystals, very slight yellow tinge to some parts but mostly white/see-through no leftover chemical smell, looks like it has been thoroughly washed at the end of the synthesis. Tested fine on the reagent tests! Good stuff :)
This is a listing for 3.5 grams of good quality golden/tan/brown colored MDMA crystal.
Please leave me feedback and score, also review on the SR forums if you like the product etc. :)
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=140906.0
I will require any buyers with very low purchasing stats to finalize early, for those with good stats and little to no refund rate your good to finalize on the arrival of the item.
I have reagent tested it with the full EZ testing kit and the product has shown positive for MDMA on each one."
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this was on his vendor listing for the 3.5g he clearly states he tested it
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Update: New batch is of better quality, bright extremely clean crystals, very slight yellow tinge to some parts but mostly white/see-through no leftover chemical smell, looks like it has been thoroughly washed at the end of the synthesis. Tested fine on the reagent tests! Good stuff :)
This is a listing for 3.5 grams of good quality golden/tan/brown colored MDMA crystal.
Please leave me feedback and score, also review on the SR forums if you like the product etc. :)
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=140906.0
I will require any buyers with very low purchasing stats to finalize early, for those with good stats and little to no refund rate your good to finalize on the arrival of the item.
I have reagent tested it with the full EZ testing kit and the product has shown positive for MDMA on each one."
That's funny because he told me something completely different:
http://i40.tinypic.com/11tlwcz.png
Note how the feedback score has suddenly tanked - any thoughts on why that might be? He still only has one negative from what I can see...
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Hello all,
Sorry about this unfortunate mishap, as I have explained to Anatheama there was a big problem when me and my supplier picked up off our source, and recieved what was told to be MDMA but very clean. It did look a little questionable to me as I have seen MDMA look like that see through and bright, but the crystals just had something different about them.
Anyway we got it back and tested it on Robadope and Simons test as that is all I have left currently and it went blue instantly which led me to believe that it was indeed MDMA.
But now Anatheama has pointed out, that the Robadope/Simons also goes blue for Methylone, and he had tested it with his kit containing the Mandelin & Marquis and it went Yellow for Methylone, as soon as he informed me of this me and my supplier have spoke straight to our source as he has fucked us over, leaving us with a lot of the stuff telling us it was MDMA, when clearly ,we now know it is not.
After alot of hassle with the source we will be getting a refund for all the rest of the product we have and are in the middle of establishing a different new source for the Golden/Brown sugar MDMA sweet safrole crystal, its a little bit more costly but shouldnt be much different on SR, going to be worth it though ,as we wont be doing business with the other source anymore, I am investing in another full EZ test kit again as my Mandelin has ran out and the Marquis has seemed to of gone off to a nasty brown liquid inside.
We will be giving you a full refund Anatheama, I can personally get an ounce of the MDMA what is coming back in to send out to you today, it will cost me more at the moment because it will just be me buying that straight for you at smalls prices like £450, then when the big lot comes in this week I will get reimbursed.
I hope this has not put anyone off ordering from us, We are here to please, and this is the first experience for us to go wrong which agreed, was our fault for not FULLY testing the product with every reagent test.
That is not the reason we ask to finalize early either, its mentioned on our page why we ask for FE but my supplier is getting abit more trustworthy of our regulars and such and will start to ease up on it soon, its just as we were starting off he did not put much trust into things.
I hope this clears up the issue, the next MDMA in will be real 100% guaranteed if not then we will not have anything until we do get MDMA :)
Cheers
Mangled
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Also, could I possibly get that rating changed to 5/5 again Anatheama? I will have an ounce straight out to you soon as I can get it today.
Did that take my rating all the way down to (77) just from the one 1/5?
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My rating (77.5) has stayed the same even though I have sorted the problem with buyer and the mishap has been explained thoroughly, is there anyway of that being sorted somehow, or will it stay like that now even though he has 5/5 me ?
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Hello all,
Sorry about this unfortunate mishap, as I have explained to Anatheama there was a big problem when me and my supplier picked up off our source, and recieved what was told to be MDMA but very clean. It did look a little questionable to me as I have seen MDMA look like that see through and bright, but the crystals just had something different about them.
Anyway we got it back and tested it on Robadope and Simons test as that is all I have left currently and it went blue instantly which led me to believe that it was indeed MDMA.
But now Anatheama has pointed out, that the Robadope/Simons also goes blue for Methylone, and he had tested it with his kit containing the Mandelin & Marquis and it went Yellow for Methylone, as soon as he informed me of this me and my supplier have spoke straight to our source as he has fucked us over, leaving us with a lot of the stuff telling us it was MDMA, when clearly ,we now know it is not.
After alot of hassle with the source we will be getting a refund for all the rest of the product we have and are in the middle of establishing a different new source for the Golden/Brown sugar MDMA sweet safrole crystal, its a little bit more costly but shouldnt be much different on SR, going to be worth it though ,as we wont be doing business with the other source anymore, I am investing in another full EZ test kit again as my Mandelin has ran out and the Marquis has seemed to of gone off to a nasty brown liquid inside.
We will be giving you a full refund Anatheama, I can personally get an ounce of the MDMA what is coming back in to send out to you today, it will cost me more at the moment because it will just be me buying that straight for you at smalls prices like £450, then when the big lot comes in this week I will get reimbursed.
I hope this has not put anyone off ordering from us, We are here to please, and this is the first experience for us to go wrong which agreed, was our fault for not FULLY testing the product with every reagent test.
That is not the reason we ask to finalize early either, its mentioned on our page why we ask for FE but my supplier is getting abit more trustworthy of our regulars and such and will start to ease up on it soon, its just as we were starting off he did not put much trust into things.
I hope this clears up the issue, the next MDMA in will be real 100% guaranteed if not then we will not have anything until we do get MDMA :)
Cheers
Mangled
it was a shitty thing to happen and most would of likely used a diff kit knowing methylone gets pawned off as mdma. chalk it up to a newb mistake but +1 for the way mangled is taking care of it. its nice to see a vendor take shit seriously and do what he can to make it right
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My rating (77.5) has stayed the same even though I have sorted the problem with buyer and the mishap has been explained thoroughly, is there anyway of that being sorted somehow, or will it stay like that now even though he has 5/5 me ?
First of all, props on handling this so well (presuming you come through for the buyer!). I'd be kicking myself until my legs were bloody stumps if I'd bought as much methylone as you guys have. It's something that cost me once before in my early days, wound up with 50g of the stuff and that was painful enough at the time.
Second, you should probably contact SR support about the ratings thing - if the user has reported you (and it looks like they did when this whole thing started) then vendor support might have put a penalty on your rating, and in that case they'll probably remove it once it's resolved.
Alternatively if you have outstanding orders which you marked as having not arrived then in the absence of user reviews that might impact your rating, I'm not sure.
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their rating is back up to par now
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Why bother with reagent tests? www.ecstasydata.org will test tablets with mass spectrometry for $40 (USD) and all other samples (e.g. powder or crystals) for $140. It's not dirt cheap, but it would be very affordable for a vendor who has a bulk supplier.
Isn't it a small price to pay for the safety of your customers?
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Why bother with reagent tests? www.ecstasydata.org will test tablets with mass spectrometry for $40 (USD) and all other samples (e.g. powder or crystals) for $140. It's not dirt cheap, but it would be very affordable for a vendor who has a bulk supplier.
Isn't it a small price to pay for the safety of your customers?
im buying a kilo, hold on big dealer i gotta send this in to get tested can you wait 2-3weeks?
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your buying a kilo and you whip out of your fanny pack 4 little bottles. BAM now u know your shit is good. THEN you can send to get analyzed
mangled only used 1 and it wasnt one that was especially for mdma since it wasnt distinct between mdma and similar drugs
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Vendor has offered refund/reship so I'm just waiting now to see how it goes. Have been told it could be a few days so I'll keep this thread updated and revise my feedback as appropriate.
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That said, selling something as MDMA when it plainly isn't is a big deal as far as I'm concerned and I hope this was an honest mistake on the part of the vendor, because if it wasn't that's despicable.
I am suspicious of 'honest mistakes' of this sort. For example, why are these honest mistakes always replacing Methylone for MDMA, instead of sending MDMA instead of Methylone?
Ban this fucker and if he wants to come back let him make a new vendor's account. To do less is to enable this kind of 'honest mistake' in the future.
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That said, selling something as MDMA when it plainly isn't is a big deal as far as I'm concerned and I hope this was an honest mistake on the part of the vendor, because if it wasn't that's despicable.
I am suspicious of 'honest mistakes' of this sort. For example, why are these honest mistakes always replacing Methylone for MDMA, instead of sending MDMA instead of Methylone?
Ban this fucker and if he wants to come back let him make a new vendor's account. To do less is to enable this kind of 'honest mistake' in the future.
I must say I share your skepticism, although the vendor did pull all their MDMA listings in the aftermath.
All listings are now down, so I guess we'll find out if they're returning or just running off with FE money. If I don't hear back from the vendor by tomorrow my review (with significant weight, based on the fact that it dragged the average to 77.5% last time) will go back to a 1/5.
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damn that sucks
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I've been trying to get a refund/reship out of the vendor since they posted here over a week ago, I notice their MDMA listings are back up again so I've readjusted my feedback appropriately. Hopefully this does all get sorted out but just wanted to leave another update ::)
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keep contacting the vendor dont give up
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Had a big issue with a large batch of Methylone which we got sold as MDMA, I only had Robadope and Simons testers at the time and it showed up blue leading me and my supplier to believe it was the real deal, but a regular customer tested it with the full reagent kit and it showed yellow for Methylone, I didn't realise that Methylone went blue on the Robadope/Simons too. Basically we got stitched for a massive massive amount of it and we are now having to resolve alot of issues with a bulk order and many other people this had been shipped out and sold to.
We have now scrapped that source and will be going back to an older source, more reliable with the same lovely sweet old school synthed MDMA, like clear/golden sugar.
It could be around a week until we can reload, at the moment we only have about 5grams or so in stock.
For anyone that had an issue with this we are terribly sorry, my supplier has lost out alot from it.
Also that was not the reason we finalized early on big amounts, my supplier would like to cash out the coins asap due to the volatile market a couple of weeks back, we should not be so bad with this now and FE will not be as necesserary depending on Purchasing stats etc
This has been a real bad turn of events for us, our first problem since we started back up the shop and have been trying to get our Feedback / Ratings back up how they used to be a year ago.
You can trust in me that I will go to the best of my ability, along with my supplier to handle any problems that might pop up along the way like this one.
But, please see faith, I am not a scammer, I despise them, I always strive to supply only great quality chemicals at very competitive prices, I have also been a huge long term customer on the road with a different username for nearly 2 years and I did get scammed myself a few times to begin with, so I know what its like, not nice.
My purchase stats are
Total transactions: 146
Total spent: ฿1880.64
Refund rate: 4.14%
Auto-finalize rate: 0%
Member for: 1 year
Thankyou for hearing me out,
MangledOne
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maybe as a suggestion with each batch you pickup take a pic with the date and the test results of marguis and simons
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Agreed on that definitly, got myeslf a full testing kit now so no mistakes like this again!
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now u just need some 99.5% acetone and you can wash the product to determine purity and your set lol
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So just to update I've had 14g of MDMA off mangled now, of the 28 I originally paid for.
Trying to some kind of agreement to make myself whole from this scenario.
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mdma/mda/mdxx doesnt turn blue on a marquis........
turns purple to black
theres very few chemicals that cause a no reaction with a marquis and none of them look like a MDxx product