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Market => Rumor mill => Topic started by: Friend on April 09, 2013, 03:20 am
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HE TOOK MY 1000MP AND NEVER GAVE ME MY BTC AND OF COURSE S,R SUPPORT DDOESNT GIVE A SHIT SO THEY WONT REPLY WHAT SHOULD I DO?
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Your doing all you can do which is tell the community about the scam so other people won't fall for it. I sent a $300 MP to him and I didn't get my coin either. You can report the vendor also. Unfortunately it looks like we have lost our money.
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Awww man. So disappointing to see this. I was really really hoping that he wasn't scamming, but once I saw all the FE's, that plus the fact that he stopped responding to my messages, makes me feel like I got took. I placed the order saturday, still no coins.
This is the second time now I've been scammed trying to get coins. Sad.
I gave him a $160 MP.
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Only god can help you now.
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Ya he has now been banned but if we legitally ordered from him moneypak to btc listing then i dont see why s.r cant refund us the coin its bullshit if u ask me.
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Ya he has now been banned but if we legitally ordered from him moneypak to btc listing then i dont see why s.r cant refund us the coin its bullshit if u ask me.
I also got scammed by him for $300. I also didn't FE and went through the listing. The problem is when doing a MP > BTC transaction on the site, there's no escrow. Nothing is in escrow so not much can be done. Although I have heard of cases were SR takes all the coins out of a persons account. Would be nice if they did that and gave everyone their BTCs, but as of right now is just a lesson learned and all we can do is tell the community to stay away. Although his account got banned already as I can't access it on the site.
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fucking guy got me for $450 it looks like,
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BUMP BUMP
I just dont see how this can go un refunded its so unfair the millions that S.R makes Dread could refund us easily without it breaking there bank but the 1000 that was stolen from me sure broke the fuck out of mine damn i wish S.R was like it used to be we would all be refunded but things arent the same now days :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
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have any of you contacted MP and told them what happened? If not, why not?
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And what good is that going to do Moneypak is not going to do shit about it what would we even tell them?
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SR can't do anything about refunding you because transactions completed to buy bitcoins do not happen within the escrow system. It's the same thing as finalizing early for a scammer -- if you leave the escrow system or complete a purchase outside of it, there is absolutely nothing that SR can do to help you recover your funds.
MoneyPak will not give you your money back either because they are not reversible and there is no way to prove fraud because you willingly provided the MP number to someone.
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Yeah MoneyPak can't do nothing about it... on the back it says "If a criminal gets your money, Green Dot is not responsible to pay you back"
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SR can't do anything about refunding you because transactions completed to buy bitcoins do not happen within the escrow system. It's the same thing as finalizing early for a scammer -- if you leave the escrow system or complete a purchase outside of it, there is absolutely nothing that SR can do to help you recover your funds.
MoneyPak will not give you your money back either because they are not reversible and there is no way to prove fraud because you willingly provided the MP number to someone.
That is not fair because you are forced to finalize early when you have to send the vendor the moneypak number to get your coin. Its not leaving the escrow sytem when you go through the listing and put the moneypak number in the adress line. You would think the millions that S.R makes that they would be fair and compensate people there money but it shows they dont give a fuck and are super greedy.
Silkroad easily could go to the day and tally up all the money xanax bar took from people and im sure it would not put a dent in there fortune. And this also means that now any moneypak vendor even if we go through the listing and do everything correctly like S.R tells us to do we will still get fucked over no matter what and lose our money.
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That is not fair because you are forced to finalize early when you have to send the vendor the moneypak number to get your coin. Its not leaving the escrow sytem when you go through the listing and put the moneypak number in the adress line. You would think the millions that S.R makes that they would be fair and compensate people there money but it shows they dont give a fuck.
It is ABSOLUTELY taking place outside of the escrow system! You are buying BTC with USD ... there is no way to do that in the escrow system. I'm sorry that you were scammed and it sucks, but that is why a lot of people warn others to get their bitcoins from trustworthy exchanges rather than from vendors here. There are some reputable btc vendors here, but the amount of MP scams going on makes it a really, really risky way to get your coins.
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That is not fair because you are forced to finalize early when you have to send the vendor the moneypak number to get your coin. Its not leaving the escrow sytem when you go through the listing and put the moneypak number in the adress line. You would think the millions that S.R makes that they would be fair and compensate people there money but it shows they dont give a fuck.
It is ABSOLUTELY taking place outside of the escrow system! You are buying BTC with USD ... there is no way to do that in the escrow system. I'm sorry that you were scammed and it sucks, but that is why a lot of people warn others to get their bitcoins from trustworthy exchanges rather than from vendors here. There are some reputable btc vendors here, but the amount of MP scams going on makes it a really, really risky way to get your coins.
Im sure if you were in my situation you would be saying things alot different.
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Im sure if you were in my situation you would be saying things alot different.
I've been in your situation before and the same rules applied - there's nothing SR Support can do other than to ban the scammer. The only time SR can offer protection is for transactions that have taken place entirely within the escrow system. Purchasing bitcoins is an out of escrow transaction simply due to its nature.
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Fuck that oi friend your 1000% rite if it's done through SR that means SR are responsible for this without a shadow of a doubt ok it was done on their system and the deal was done through their system so mate your rite fuck that man can you imagine the influx of money being scooped up by this site and scammers every day fuvk me I wouldn't like to think but it's got to be in the millions man and thats no joke shit man fuck this site man I'm getting a strong urge to build my own site but everything and everyone gets vetted n tested before joining becoming a vendor and sending any drug out man just through my honesty alone I could kill this site dead in a week with the people I know fuck this man.
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Fuck that oi friend your 1000% rite if it's done through SR that means SR are responsible for this without a shadow of a doubt ok it was done on their system and the deal was done through their system so mate your rite fuck that man can you imagine the influx of money being scooped up by this site and scammers every day fuvk me I wouldn't like to think but it's got to be in the millions man and thats no joke shit man fuck this site man I'm getting a strong urge to build my own site but everything and everyone gets vetted n tested before joining becoming a vendor and sending any drug out man just through my honesty alone I could kill this site dead in a week with the people I know fuck this man.
No, the deal was NOT done through their system. You were using USD to buy bitcoins ... you weren't using bitcoins to buy a product. There's a difference, and SR has always held the position of not supporting transactions like that because there's no way to complete those transactions through the escrow system.
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Erm was btc converted to us $ hmmm I wonder how that magically happened hmmm I'm thick mate give those poor people their money back ok I didn't even know how this Money Pack crapp worked but once I found out it's done on the SR site this means your 1000% responsible ok other than that your scammers end of ok if the deal was done on and transacted through the SR site you have to be 1000% responsible for this act taking place on your site by your staff ok come on WTF is this man or do you lot get a percentage out of everyone who's been robbed WTF man give these guys their money back ok THE END...
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Erm was btc converted to us $ hmmm I wonder how that magically happened hmmm I'm thick mate give those poor people their money back ok I didn't even know how this Money Pack crapp worked but once I found out it's done on the SR site this means your 1000% responsible ok other than that your scammers end of ok if the deal was done on and transacted through the SR site you have to be 1000% responsible for this act taking place on your site by your staff ok come on WTF is this man or do you lot get a percentage out of everyone who's been robbed WTF man give these guys their money back ok THE END...
What? That is just beyond ridiculous, phoboss. That is not how places like this work.
Also, no, none of us benefit from MP scams -- the scammer has your money, not SR. Why? Because MP-to-btc transactions DO NOT OCCUR in the escrow system! I don't know how to be any clearer about that.
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Look at what you just said pal I hope you don't delete this thread well you can if you want I've screen shot it you just said NONE OF YOU BENEFIT FROM THE MP SCAMS well fuck me slowly you just could not of have said it ckearer thank you enough has been said to my liking thank you SCOUT your a champion ha ha ha ha CHEERS
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Look at what you just said pal I hope you don't delete this thread well you can if you want I've screen shot it you just said NONE OF YOU BENEFIT FROM THE MP SCAMS well fuck me slowly you just could not of have said it ckearer thank you enough has been said to my liking thank you SCOUT your a champion ha ha ha ha CHEERS
Why is that funny? You accused SR of keeping the MP funds from the scam, and I'm saying the vendor is the only one with your funds. The vendor scammed you, the vendor has your money. The money never went through SR because you provided an MP code to the vendor, who then would have cashed it out. The MP funds are in USD, while SR only deals in BTC. The vendor cashes the MP out by using PayPal or some other GreenDot-backed card. The money on the MP never even touches SR.
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CHEERS SCOUT AGAIN THE MORE YOU POST THE MORE I CAN READ YOU LIKE A BOOK YOU FOOL I THANKED YOU BEFORE NOW ILL THANK YOU AGAIN CHERRS SCOUT
OH ps did any of these people go OUTSIDE OF SR to accomplish this deal NO I GUESS NOT hmmmm?????
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CHEERS SCOUT AGAIN THE MORE YOU POST THE MORE I CAN READ YOU LIKE A BOOK YOU FOOL I THANKED YOU BEFORE NOW ILL THANK YOU AGAIN CHERRS SCOUT
OH ps did any of these people go OUTSIDE OF SR to accomplish this deal NO I GUESS NOT hmmmm?????
I'm starting to doubt your reading comprehension here. I get that you were scammed and are angry about the money you've lost - as anyone would be! However, I'm not understanding why you blame SR or why you fail to grasp the concept of how the escrow system works here. Regardless, it's clear that there is no getting through to you, so I'm done trying to explain things. Your opinion obviously won't be changed by reason.
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LMAO scout phobloss is clearly learning deprived and some how managed to make it all the way to the road! anyway i put shit on the forums about this guy on SATURDAY that he was scammer BLEW UP THE FORUMS SUNDAY and still all of monday he scammed say 6 ppl READ THE FUCKING FORUMS, I on the other hand read the forums and saw a bunch of ppl on april 3rd and 4th posting they had no problems with him so i took the plunge and got FUCKED
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As is clear from the FAQ and the forums, Silk Road is not set up to handle BTC sales. There is no way to do it in escrow and nothing Silk Road can do for you if you get scammed. There are plenty of reputable exchanges where you can buy your coins, so use them.
It amazing to me that people will send hundreds of dollars to random people online without doing their due diligence first. Stay safe guys :)
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As is clear from the FAQ and the forums, Silk Road is not set up to handle BTC sales. There is no way to do it in escrow and nothing Silk Road can do for you if you get scammed. There are plenty of reputable exchanges where you can buy your coins, so use them.
It amazing to me that people will send hundreds of dollars to random people online without doing their due diligence first. Stay safe guys :)
In case anyone wanted to see the applicable part in the FAQ:
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/wiki/index.php?title=Frequently_Asked_Questions#I_need_help_with_a_bitcoin_transaction_from_a_Silk_Road_vendor.
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Well then dont let vendors do mp to btc sales if it was a drug exchange a refund would have been given to all of us its unfair and u know it scout but im not blaming u or s.r
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Well then dont let vendors do mp to btc sales if it was a drug exchange a refund would have been given to all of us its unfair and u know it scout but im not blaming u or s.r
If this were a "drug exchange" then you still would not have been given a refund because you didn't go through the escrow system!
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It was through escrow because it was one of his listed items which is still processing in my account as we speak so technically i did go through escrow. I just dont see why the people cant be refunded im sure it was only 3000 total according to people that have posted so far and my 1000 being the most taken so far. Man i sure hope a larger vendor like sugar mama doesnt pull one of these schemes there would be thousands more lost and twice the people pissed off i fucking hate s.r now and will probably never be able to buy anything seeing as 1000 was taken but i do think the moderators are cool atleast your speaking up and actually saying something scout doing your job.
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It was through escrow because it was one of his listed items which is still processing in my account as we speak so technically i did go through escrow. I just dont see why the people cant be refunded im sure it was only 3000 total according to people that have posted so far and my 1000 being the most taken so far. Man i sure hope a larger vendor like sugar mama doesnt pull one of these schemes there would be thousands more lost and twice the people pissed off i fucking hate s.r now and will probably never be able to buy anything seeing as 1000 was taken but i do think the moderators are cool atleast your speaking up and actually saying something scout doing your job.
But this thread is about an MP scam ... and MP-to-bitcoin transactions don't occur in the escrow system. So were you scammed with a Moneypak as well, or are you saying you ordered an actual product to be shipped?
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My thoughts were as long as i went through a vendors listings and he did not provide the service as needed i would be granted a resolution and then a settlement would have been reached fairly but instead he gets banned before resolution can even occur.
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My thoughts were as long as i went through a vendors listings and he did not provide the service as needed i would be granted a resolution and then a settlement would have been reached fairly but instead he gets banned before resolution can even occur.
But what I'm asking is - are you talking about buying bitcoins from him with an MP? If so, then what you've described is not the escrow system. The escrow system is:
you purchase a listing
your bitcoins for that order are sent to escrow
the vendor has no access to payment for the order
you receive the order
you release the bitcoin payment from escrow to the vendor
the vendor receives the bitcoin payment
In that situation, if you don't receive the order, then you don't release the payment to the vendor. The payment remains safe because it is being held in escrow (where neither you nor the vendor can access it).
When you are buying bitcoins with a Moneypak, you "purchase" the listing, yes, but you have no bitcoins to send to the escrow system - you only have a Moneypak code. SR uses bitcoins exclusively for trading -- they do not use USD or Moneypak code or any other currency. Only bitcoins. So when you're trying to use some other currency to buy those bitcoins, you're not able to use SR's escrow system because it isn't set up to work with any other currency.
SR has control over the funds when they are held in escrow, so SR is able to serve as a middleman for the transaction to provide protection for both parties.
When you use a currency OTHER than bitcoin, SR has no control over it and can't offer protection for either party.
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Ya you get fucked in the ass and nothing can be done about it system ;)
But no honestly do you think any rules should be changed about this or anything done or do you honestly think its fair?
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Ya you get fucked in the ass and nothing can be done about it system ;)
But no honestly do you think any rules should be changed about this or anything done or do you honestly think its fair?
There is no rule requiring people to buy their bitcoins here. There is something to be said for people doing their due diligence - and also understanding the risks involved.
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Damn, Scout.
So patient. My hat's off to you.
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Hey scout, you know what I was wondering? Say, like Lucydrop, when that account got froze, what happens to any coins that happen to remain?
I know how the mp scam crap works, its just once they have your number its over with, and no coins are in play, but say xanax bar was scamming for his products, and did have 50 coins or so in his wallet when he was stopped. What I want to know is who's wallet those coins end up in.
Now, buying coins is a pain in the ass, and it would/will be cool if someday there is a streamlined way to get them thru the road itself, but until then this junk will keep happening. To those of you that were scammed I am sorry, I have had a couple let downs on the road myself. It is a hard lesson learned.
Bottom line, is people do not take the time to read up on the forums and make informed choices. I understand that anyone can go rogue, but asking around or reading around is always a good thing before trusting any vendor. I don't think xanax was even around very long was he?
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Yeah MoneyPak can't do nothing about it... on the back it says "If a criminal gets your money, Green Dot is not responsible to pay you back"
ahh I've never come across them before and I thought it was something like a one hit credit card but it's actually a sort of money voucher with a code? Must go do some google-fu
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Damn, Scout.
So patient. My hat's off to you.
Hahaha! I was thinking the same thing.
Patience is a virtue.
One that Zen Monk Scout seems to have mastered, lol.
I would have fucking blown up on like...page 1, haha. I have the shortest fuse ever in arguments, it sucks. I just fucking rage at the drop of a hat. No self control in that aspect whatsoever.
Well, what I've learned from this though is not to do MP to BTC anymore. I didn't realize just how rampant the scamming is.
I hate to be lazy like this, but I have to go to class soon, any chance anyone can throw out the name of a good exchange or 2?
I tried to register for Mt Gox, but I can't complete the registration/verification or whatever.
What happened to the good ol' days of Intersango. No verification, no uploading government ID's or proof of residence and other shit. Just log on and buy bitcoins for like 5 bucks each, hah. Ahhhhhh man.
Life is so complicated.
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What I don't understand is why anyone would use ANY of the BTC sellers on the road when there are literally THOUSANDS of legit exchanges online, if you deal with a legit exchanger online and theres a problem you can even call them and see whats up! The first time I bought coins I typed in "buy bitcoins" on Google. BOOM tons of choices, I picked the one I liked the best because they said they could have me my coins the same day and they had a customer support number. Buying coins on the road is literally sending money to some completely random person and hoping they send you some "money" (coins) back! There are SO many ways that you can get coins without doing sketchy MP or WU exchanges..... I actually think SR should ban BTC exchanges on the site because there seems to be so many people that think the only way to buy coins is through sketchy SR moneypak vendors....
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What I don't understand is why anyone would use ANY of the BTC sellers on the road when there are literally THOUSANDS of legit exchanges online, if you deal with a legit exchanger online and theres a problem you can even call them and see whats up! The first time I bought coins I typed in "buy bitcoins" on Google. BOOM tons of choices, I picked the one I liked the best because they said they could have me my coins the same day and they had a customer support number. Buying coins on the road is literally sending money to some completely random person and hoping they send you some "money" (coins) back! There are SO many ways that you can get coins without doing sketchy MP or WU exchanges..... I actually think SR should ban BTC exchanges on the site because there seems to be so many people that think the only way to buy coins is through sketchy SR moneypak vendors....
Good point man, there's a couple reasons though why moneypak exchanges appeal to people.
First, they're highly anonymous. All you need is cash. No personal information to give out, no using credit cards, no bank transfers, no making an account on some exchange site, nothing. Just cash, and a trip to walmart.
Second, they're quick. I used to use dwolla, like many people here, and it usually took 4-5 days for the money to transfer from my bank to dwolla. Man that wait used to kill me. I would see a great price on something I wanted, but by the time I got the coins, it would sell out. Moneypaks are really really fast sometimes. You can have the coins the same day you buy the MP if the vendor is fast.
And thirdly, they're very easy, compared to buying from an exchange site. One of the drawbacks of an exchange site is that you need to have a third party to transfer money to the site usually, which is just more hassle for a lot of people. Again, with moneypaks, you just need to go to walmart or anywhere that sells mp's.
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Scout does have patience but nobody is blaming scout im not at all even blaming S.R i just figured the millions they make they could do a simple favor and return coin when people have stats like me i would say i am a reputable customer.
Total transactions: 67
Total spent: $28321.23
Refund rate: 0%
Auto-finalize rate: 0%
Member for: 1 year
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Scout does have patience but nobody is blaming scout im not at all even blaming S.R i just figured the millions they make they could do a simple favor and return coin when people have stats like me i would say i am a reputable customer.
Total transactions: 67
Total spent: $28321.23
Refund rate: 0%
Auto-finalize rate: 0%
Member for: 1 year
Believe me, I wish there were a way to prevent scams entirely, and to refund everyone who had been scammed. However, that's not possible, or even reasonable to expect. The system that SR *does* have in place for the intended transactions (btc for a product) works perfectly as long as you stay in escrow. When these transactions take place to buy BTC from a vendor here, those transactions are always particularly risky since they, by their very nature, cannot take place in the escrow system. It might be one of the reasons we see so many BTC vendors scamming people - because they know that people are going to think they are protected when in fact they are not. So they come here knowing how to scam people out of their MP codes, and take advantage of the fact that transactions to buy BTC aren't covered by SR Support.
Such a shame. :-\
If it makes you feel any better, I, myself, have been scammed before when attempting to buy btc from a vendor here. It was long ago when I was new, but it was for a large amount too, so I know how frustrating it is. When it first happened, I, too, thought that bitcoin transactions were protected by escrow, but learned the hard way that they are not. When you step back from the situation (somewhere down the line when you have gotten over the initial shock of the loss), I think eventually you'll be able to understand why SR Support can't offer support for those transactions.
In any case, my best recommendation would be either to buy btc ONLY from really reputable vendors like Sugar Mama ... or to do the safest thing and purchase your bitcoins elsewhere through an exchange.
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Ya the initial shock is kinda over now and i realize what your saying but i figured maybe DPR would see this and just those people that got mp scammed that day from that douche could get compensated but lesson learned. Thanks Scout for being stand up and patient past mods would have probably just gave me negative karma and told me to shut the fuck up but im only trying to stand up for myself and the rest of the people that got fucked the other day. I hate learning lessons the hard way :'( :'(
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Ya the initial shock is kinda over now and i realize what your saying but i figured maybe DPR would see this and just those people that got mp scammed that day from that douche could get compensated but lesson learned. Thanks Scout for being stand up and patient past mods would have probably just gave me negative karma and told me to shut the fuck up but im only trying to stand up for myself and the rest of the people that got fucked the other day. I hate learning lessons the hard way :'( :'(
I understand that frustration - 100%. Another thing to keep in mind though is that in these transactions, the money that is scammed from people does not ever touch SR (since it is not in btc) - so DPR doesn't even have access to the stolen funds.
Anyway, I'm sorry again for your loss and I appreciate that you understand my point. +1 for your attitude in spite of the loss. :)
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sup, I am king joey I dont publicly post on the forums but alot of people post about me lol.
NE WAYZ THANKS 4 the lil $1,000 you let me have. its funny how your crying saying that dpr should refund everyone and that only $3,000 was stolen. you are fuckin dumb. so you actually think that only $2,000 aside from your $1,000 was stolen u r fuckin retarded. I got around $25K with that account. I cant say 4 sure exactly how much because its hard to keep track but i have $20K left after I bought a half pound of bud a few OZ of hash and an OZ of xtc.
I am going to save the rest of the money though. I need like $150K and I am a long way from that...but I really do appreciate you helping me save up money. I want you 2 know that your money is in a better place now that i have it.
Thanks my friend! I will not 4get your heroically good deed!
This is what this douche is messaging people now.
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NO way thats crazy i got a similar message from him PMed to me on my forum account lol like he takes the time to talk shit like OOO yeah I robbed you whats up bitch lol what a fucker DPR needs to listen to my idea about when you leave feedback and you mouseover the item and it shows you what that person purchased SR needs to add the feature that IT ALSO shows the buyer status of that person along with the item NOT their username but things like how long they have been on the road and money spent this would help slightly so we would know when vendors are leaving a bunch of fake feedback what do you guys think?
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NO way thats crazy i got a similar message from him PMed to me on my forum account lol like he takes the time to talk shit like OOO yeah I robbed you whats up bitch lol what a fucker DPR needs to listen to my idea about when you leave feedback and you mouseover the item and it shows you what that person purchased SR needs to add the feature that IT ALSO shows the buyer status of that person along with the item NOT their username but things like how long they have been on the road and money spent this would help slightly so we would know when vendors are leaving a bunch of fake feedback what do you guys think?
Ya it would help alot and maybe there should be different typeof listings for moneypaks or something either way i learned they hard way and i aint buyin coin from no vendor anymore i found blue sky trader to be the safest now.
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If you do buy coin on the road I have NEVER EVER had a problem with sugarmomma and even if you feel you shoulda got more money on the transaction i messaged her once and she gave me like 30 more for free ha another good vendor for coin is COINXCHANGE but i only used him once for a small order but he is up and coming