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Discussion => Newbie discussion => Topic started by: RealLucyDrop on March 16, 2013, 05:22 am
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I can't post in rumormill because I don't have 50 posts. Please post this thread in rumormill for me
DO NOT BUY FROM LUCYDROP ON SR
I can't talk about specifics for security reasons, but i was in jail for more than 2 months but less than 7. I got released very recently. LucyDrop on SilkRoad is NOT ME. DO NOT BUY FROM THAT ACCOUNT. My partner completely fucked me over. I went to our spot.. there is nothing there and he wont answer my phone calls. He took the work computer and everything else. He took my entire savings with him that was being used to keep supply up. He took my entire life. Somebody PLEASE get in contact with DPR or Vendor Support and have the account shut down immediately and freeze all the funds in the account.
How can I contact DPR? I can't find a link to message him. I can prove to him that I am the real lucydrop as I do not have access to my pgp or any of my logins.
If you ordered from me in the past (namely a couple of top vendors, i can give you details and you can verify/vouch that I am indeed the real LucyDrop)
Do not trust anything that is said from that LucyDrop account! Do not send ANY FUNDS. Do NOT FINALIZE ANYTHING.
Somebody please get DPR to see this thread. Someone please post this in Rumor mill. My entire life was taken from me and I don't know what to do
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If someone can verify this, that would be great ....
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Ask me anything about my vendor account, including sales or people I regularly talked to and I can tell you anything you want to know.
Can you please inbox me DPRs link in private chat so I can contact him on SR? I can prove it to him.
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man this is crazy. good luck if its true. what a twist!
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Sending you a message.
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thats crazy hopefully it gets all sorted out one way or another
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Lucy, I will do anything I can to help. If SR seizes the account, and I hope to god they do, will you be able to return what coins are left?
Posting this in the mill.
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Lucy, I will do anything I can to help. If SR seizes the account, and I hope to god they do, will you be able to return what coins are left?
Posting this in the mill.
ALL funds in the account will be given to the people that this piece of shit scammed with weak tabs or unsent orders.
Please get this thread in front of DPRs eyes so he closes the account immediately before he is able to withdraw any funds that are in there
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How are vendors getting accounts hacked?
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I dont think he was hacked ... it appears reallucydrop and lucydrop were partners, reallucydrop went to jail and lucydrop continued on going rogue on the good name the 2 of them built
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Now this is good shit, and to think I was just about to get off the road. I was wondering wtf was goin on with that LucyDrop account, I have heard conflicting stories. Man, wheres the popcorn!
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I dont think he was hacked ... it appears reallucydrop and lucydrop were partners, reallucydrop went to jail and lucydrop continued on going rogue on the good name the 2 of them built
That's my understanding of what RealLucyDrop is saying too. I've forwarded a link to this thread and messages to me from RealLucyDrop to DPR and inigo.
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If this is true, holy shit.
I'll get my BTC back? Sounds good to me :)
Sorry to hear the bad news, LD. Glad you're ok now.
(Assuming this is true, of course)
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Call me paranoid but I think -
The RealLucyDrop is nothing but LucyDrop and he is acting according to his own EXIT STRATEGY. That means he is making a dramatic EXIT for LucyDrop and a sympathetic ENTRY for the RealLucyDrop!!!
Is this called "Killing 2 birds with 1 stone"?
No, right?
Here one action is KILLING and the other action is "GIVING NEW LIFE"!!!
I don't know. It's too much drama I think.
thats plausible.....
maybe require a scan of the police report lol
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That would be diabolical and genius! I love it!
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The timing is a bit suspicious, that is true.
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any logs of conversations should be compiled with dates and compare grammar, sentence structure, common misspellings, and see if there was a change in character around the time the real ld is said to of disappeared
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posting to keep up.
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PGP sign a message with the key you used 3 months ago. That is why we have keys.
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He has already withdrawn 100K in FE during last 5-6 weeks or so and he did not log into his account for the last 3 days and that generated some BTC amount from the sales and now he wants to suspend his account with the help from DPR and give that money away to the last few folks who bought from his account during the last 3 days!!!
It's a nice EXIT STRATEGY, indeed!!!
Vendors have a feature called auto-withdraw. It means you don't have to log in to get the money from finalizations, it is automatically sent to you.
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Tess: I don't have access to my PGP or any account. I don't have access to the work computer. He took everything and skipped.
To the person suggesting that I am attempting a re-entry: I am trying to get the account shut down, not regain access to continue selling. He is still making sales and people are still finalizing for him. He took everything I own. What would I have to gain from trying to get that account shut down if it was mine and still generating sales and people were still finalizing?
You guys know me. Did I ever seem like I was that type of guy? I have put a lot of work spreading this chemical around, and now for everything I have done, I have lost everything because I was stupid and thought I could trust someone who I invited into my home.. to meet my family.. and to do business with.
I don't like disclosing who I talk to and whatnot, but I regularly talked to Nevita. Great human being and great vendor. Before any of this bullshit happened with the weak tabs and this scam bullshit I had told Nevita that my partner was acting strange and that I believed money and greed was getting to his head. This was all before any of this stuff happened. I hope one of you can get his eyes on this thread, and hopefully he can at least vouch for that. I considered/consider him one of my true friends on SilkRoad.
I don't even know what to do now. I'm so lost and I feel responsible for not acting on my feelings of my partner acting weird when we started getting popular on SR. I don't know if he reported me to the police for my warrants for previous charges, but I would not put it past him to use that opportunity to take my life from me.
What I am first trying to do is get the account shut down and all funds frozen. I completely understand if people hate me, because they have every right to. I should never trusted bringing a partner in. Truth was that it was too overwhelming for 1 person to handle and I truly believed I could trust him. I will do everything in my power to make this right, but at this moment I do not even know what i am going to do. I will no longer be vending because I have lost my faith in humanity.
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So sorry to hear that this has happened to you. :\
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This is nuts.
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holy shit i just created an account for this reason. This is crazy shit!! this is like the shit you would see in a movie.
Honestly though, LucyDrop that sucks so much. I'm fuckin bummed out for you man; I hope you find that fucker and kick his fuckin ass
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posting to keep up.
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holy shit i just created an account for this reason. This is crazy shit!! this is like the shit you would see in a movie.
Honestly though, LucyDrop that sucks so much. I'm fuckin bummed out for you man; I hope you find that fucker and kick his fuckin ass
I'd kill a motherfucker
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Bump. This is going to come down to the wire.
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holy shit i just created an account for this reason. This is crazy shit!! this is like the shit you would see in a movie.
Honestly though, LucyDrop that sucks so much. I'm fuckin bummed out for you man; I hope you find that fucker and kick his fuckin ass
I also just made an account, this is a good read if nothing else.
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It sounds legit, authentic, when he's not going to vend anymore. Although its a risky business, Im feeling sorry for you man!
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If this is true, the guy currently on the LD account is a royally fucked up asshole on so many levels. >:(
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it seems too coincidental that this happens after the lot weaker and you came out of jail just after the scam was unsustainable.
besides why you were only two months in jail? you peed in public?
if lucydrop is lying with it is a real psychopath.
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human character follows greed backstabbing and otherwise stomping on others to please thy selves. can't trust anyone ever. you want to so bad believe you can depend and trust but if a opportunity rises to gain huge leaps for little effort its a huge pull to avoid, i hope this gets sloved
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If this is true, that's awful. Hope everything gets sorted out for the best eventually.
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Great...
Yesterday I still had a little hope for my 25 strip. Fuck, fuck, fuck.
Fuck.
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this is fascinating for me as a long time shroom hunter. I learned the same thing many years ago, you can't partner with anyone. You can't tell anyone where your secret spots are, you gotta do the whole thing by yourself, If it gets too much, you either raise prices to slow it down, or shut it down till you can handle it again
Over the years I learned how far people will go to try and find my secret mushrooms spots. That taught me how to really keep my mouth shut and really be a lone hunter and how to keep secrets. There is no other way. You either keep your spots secret or you kiss it goodbye because they will be raped every time, even by your so called friends
That taught me a lot about so called friends, and a good analagy would be movies like Treasure of the Sierra Madre and the gold rush in California where everyone is your friend until the gold is discovered. It's an age old problem and not restricted to drugs. It happens everywhere
There is one good thing tho. Unlike manufactured drugs like LSD, wild magic mushrooms do not depend on partners, friends to get it made. the best wild shrooms only depends on keeping your spots secret and Mother Nature does the rest. So basically the supply chain cannot be shut down by anyone. The only question is who will find it
it's a bit similar to SR itself and other deep web market places. It depends on secrecy. As long as they can't find DPR or whatever it'll stay. As long as I keep my spots secret and nobody else finds it, it's fine. And the great thing about it, with mushrooms it keeps changing locations and spreading via spores, so even if some spots get found, new ones appear somewhere else, so it is literally impossible to stop. They might be able to stop me, but they can't stop IT
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this whole lucydrops sh*t storm is what got me hooked on SR...this stuff is just too fun!
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FYI, currently the LucyDrop listings are no longer active but the vendor stats still show "last seen" 3 days ago.. Interesting twist but according to what is said above, all the equipment and product is gone, and so is the fake LucyDrop. So:
1. Nobody is getting their reship.
2. Nobody is getting any pending orders.
3. If you didn't FE, you probably will get your money back.
4. If you did FE, you might or might not.
5. A comeback of the real LucyDrop is yet to be played out and would be predicated on recitfying numbers 1 - 4 above in order to regain any level of trust.
Or, is SR much more naive than I think?
blahblah1234
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Following this thread for updates
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To the people thinking this is all part of a big plan... What about the people who did receive reships? Like someone I think yesterday or the day before said they received a reship. If this was the plan, why bother sending that reship at all? The only motivation I can think of would be to keep FE orders coming in today...
Not saying anything either way, just thinking out loud.
And I don't see LD giving everyone's money back to the people that got scammed. If the story is a lie, then obviously this will not be the case. If it's true, then clearly this person is in no condition to give out a hundred grand.
I hope this story is true and that somehow LD gets back on their feet and starts selling again.
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If this is true, I can't see RLD being able to compensate everyone. Maybe in a long time, if he were able to get himself reestablished, he could afford some tabs to send out to all those affected. However, that's looking quite a bit down the road and if this person is going to go so far as to send out reships for those affected months and months after the fact, I imagine they would take the time to read through the forums at least and find a way at least those people.
There's something about this that just feels off though... If nevita comes in and confirms their previous conversations, that at least makes this interesting but doesn't eliminate the possibility that RLD and LD are still the same person and always have been. Even if RLD comes out with the same LSD and gets back to regular business, I just can't see people trusting it unless the FE requirement is completely eliminated.
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This is one of the many problems of having anonymous sellers. Who's to say one of these days a serial killer (a previous trusted seller) won't start slipping in cyanide with his shipments?!? (Extreme example!)
The identity of the sellers should perhaps be known by the SR admins so that they can be held accountable or some other solution. I don't know.
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The identity of the sellers should perhaps be known by the SR admins so that they can be held accountable or some other solution. I don't know.
Hell no. You give away your password or don't make it strong enough to keep it from being hacked then goodbye. There is too much on the line here to be playing with security questions like "Mother's maiden name" etc... Or for real PI to be exposed. If this account is returned to real Lucy Drop based on some conversations then that opens the door for social engineering hacks at their finest.
Oh by the way, I am the real DPR. I want my cut sent to a new address.....
blahblah1234
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I don't know if he reported me to the police for my warrants for previous charges, but I would not put it past him to use that opportunity to take my life from me.
i should probably just shut up as i dont have anything to do with it. but this one i find pretty suspicious. at least in my country u will totally get to know why you are getting arrested. if u have a lawyer he will get a look into the file that contains everything that led to your arresting.
im sorry in advance if thats not true in your country. im sorry anyway if that story is true i feel for you pretty much.
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cool story bro, sounds very legitimate..
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Does anyone else see this as a pathetic second attempt by the REAL tony76?
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Does anyone else see this as a pathetic second attempt by the REAL tony76?
Yea I have a feeling that tony76 = LD = RLD = tessellated. Hes just playing games.
Am going back to some geniune, old and loyal sellers here.
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I don't know if he reported me to the police for my warrants for previous charges, but I would not put it past him to use that opportunity to take my life from me.
i should probably just shut up as i dont have anything to do with it. but this one i find pretty suspicious. at least in my country u will totally get to know why you are getting arrested. if u have a lawyer he will get a look into the file that contains everything that led to your arresting.
im sorry in advance if thats not true in your country. im sorry anyway if that story is true i feel for you pretty much.
I think the wording is what would be confusing. He is still trying to be anonymous so he can't specify details of his arrest. They way I read this is that he was arrested on warrants, but thinks that his partner tipped the police off about it, not that he doesn't know why he was arrested.
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This is just someone who got burned trying to get the LucyDrop shut down. If the "real" account was high jacked as many as 7 months ago, it doesn't even matter anyway, because that account didn't even start selling (legit and bunk) until 4 months ago.
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I don't know if he reported me to the police for my warrants for previous charges, but I would not put it past him to use that opportunity to take my life from me.
i should probably just shut up as i dont have anything to do with it. but this one i find pretty suspicious. at least in my country u will totally get to know why you are getting arrested. if u have a lawyer he will get a look into the file that contains everything that led to your arresting.
im sorry in advance if thats not true in your country. im sorry anyway if that story is true i feel for you pretty much.
Well I think the thing with that is, many LE are not stupid. What I mean is, regardless of the actual source of information it is not normally too hard to come up with another completely bullshit but legal and believable story about why they need to knock on your door/get a warrant/do whatever especially as their word is generally held in high regard.
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Man those are some good prices for the LSD. I wish there were more reviews/trip reports for it. Thinking about getting 50 from LucyDrop but don't really like the FE part.
I got good reports but on lower quantities now not listed :) I can assure it's pure LSD coming from Canada :)
Anyhow; don't worry about FE for Lucy; he is a great guy ;)
thanks.
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Was there not another person claiming to be "the real" LucyDrop over a month ago? By my count, there has been LucyDrop, LUCYDR0P, and RealLucyDrop ...
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Hell of a story.
Looks and "sounds" like same person as lucydrop, i kept all our messages and he sure seems the same. Always got a story and kept me on the line since January 12. Placed 3 orders. Got 1 of 3. It was totally inactive all 25. Then he promised reship of all 3 orders and i waited nothing after 4 weeks. I then noticed his thread claiming to make good.
I messaged him again he claims (1 week ago now) he would express them all to me.
Shockingly i didn't get them :) its ok tho I'm a big boy, karma is real and she's a fan of assrape so eventually things will balance.
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The Long Con.
An honest person never gets conned.
Never FE (unless you are completely willing to lose your money). Never front/loan (unless you are completely willing to not get paid back).
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Yea I have a feeling that tony76 = LD = RLD = tessellated. Hes just playing games.
Am going back to some geniune, old and loyal sellers here.
I ask people not to finalize early, so I don't really match the pattern.
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No, back in February, I think, there was a new member named "LUCYDR0P" ... all caps with the O being a number 0 ... they claimed to have lost access to their account but were still trying to sell LSD. That one was definitely a scammer because they stopped advertising when they were called out ... but it is still weird.
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Yea I have a feeling that tony76 = LD = RLD = tessellated. Hes just playing games.
Am going back to some geniune, old and loyal sellers here.
I ask people not to finalize early, so I don't really match the pattern.
Same Geography, same product, same prices, and you share the love of new customers as well ;)
I dont believe tony76 does not exist still on SR. Where he is right now? UK? Germany? Jupiter?
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LucyDrop's listings have been removed from the marketplace.
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ugh.. never FE again >:(
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FYI, currently the LucyDrop listings are no longer active but the vendor stats still show "last seen" 3 days ago.. Interesting twist but according to what is said above, all the equipment and product is gone, and so is the fake LucyDrop. So:
1. Nobody is getting their reship.
2. Nobody is getting any pending orders.
3. If you didn't FE, you probably will get your money back.
4. If you did FE, you might or might not.
5. A comeback of the real LucyDrop is yet to be played out and would be predicated on recitfying numbers 1 - 4 above in order to regain any level of trust.
Or, is SR much more naive than I think?
blahblah1234
I am wondering if SR is going to refund people ripped off by LD using the 10% commission they have made off of all the people ripped off for the last month??
That would be fair wouldnt it...especialy since they have been baraged for a month with messages saying LD was scamming and they chose NOT to shut down their account or do anything about it!!
Why should SR profit off of a Scam??
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LucyDrop's listings have been removed from the marketplace.
First of all let me say thanks for heping to get this done...But honestly this should have been done a month ago!!
If SR starts addressing this stuff immediately and with some sense of urgency... it will be less likely to happen!!
It would also go a long way to showing that SR is not all about the 10% commission but actualy cares about their business and more importantly their customers!!
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People need to not FE is what they need to do.
SR staff operate a massive endeavor here, customers must maintain responsibility over themselves.
This Lucydrop story stinks IMO. I think people should accept the losses and not start fresh business with a new Lucydrop account if it comes.
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FE'd on a 25 strip. Really sucks that people have to get fucked over, but I guess now I've learned not to FE.
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People need to not FE is what they need to do.
SR staff operate a massive endeavor here, customers must maintain responsibility over themselves.
This Lucydrop story stinks IMO. I think people should accept the losses and not start fresh business with a new Lucydrop account if it comes.
This is exactly it. I hate being redundant,
but this is the most reasonable response.
It's very simple.
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FYI, currently the LucyDrop listings are no longer active but the vendor stats still show "last seen" 3 days ago.. Interesting twist but according to what is said above, all the equipment and product is gone, and so is the fake LucyDrop. So:
1. Nobody is getting their reship.
2. Nobody is getting any pending orders.
3. If you didn't FE, you probably will get your money back.
4. If you did FE, you might or might not.
5. A comeback of the real LucyDrop is yet to be played out and would be predicated on recitfying numbers 1 - 4 above in order to regain any level of trust.
Or, is SR much more naive than I think?
blahblah1234
I am wondering if SR is going to refund people ripped off by LD using the 10% commission they have made off of all the people ripped off for the last month??
That would be fair wouldnt it...especialy since they have been baraged for a month with messages saying LD was scamming and they chose NOT to shut down their account or do anything about it!!
Why should SR profit off of a Scam??
Make sense..
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SR doesn't "profit off of a scam" -- if they did, they would never ban a single scammer .... when in reality, they are investigating scam accusations and banning scammer accounts every single day.
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FYI, currently the LucyDrop listings are no longer active but the vendor stats still show "last seen" 3 days ago.. Interesting twist but according to what is said above, all the equipment and product is gone, and so is the fake LucyDrop. So:
1. Nobody is getting their reship.
2. Nobody is getting any pending orders.
3. If you didn't FE, you probably will get your money back.
4. If you did FE, you might or might not.
5. A comeback of the real LucyDrop is yet to be played out and would be predicated on recitfying numbers 1 - 4 above in order to regain any level of trust.
Or, is SR much more naive than I think?
blahblah1234
I am wondering if SR is going to refund people ripped off by LD using the 10% commission they have made off of all the people ripped off for the last month??
That would be fair wouldnt it...especialy since they have been baraged for a month with messages saying LD was scamming and they chose NOT to shut down their account or do anything about it!!
Why should SR profit off of a Scam??
Just to make a point here: SR doesn't do a full 10% commission on large orders, I forget what the actual percentage is but it drops off well below $100.
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commission is
10% of the first $50
8.5% of $50 - 150
6% of $150 - 300
3% of $300 - 500
2% of $500 - 1000
1.5% for everything over $1000
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wow this is a new development that came out of nowhere. I feel for you RLD if this is true. Find your partner and put the hurting to them.
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Yea I have a feeling that tony76 = LD = RLD = tessellated. Hes just playing games.
Am going back to some geniune, old and loyal sellers here.
I ask people not to finalize early, so I don't really match the pattern.
Lucy had a very good reputation and was making good money, so it was hard to believe that he was a scammer. But I think he's not an idiot... planned the scam early and created a new vendor account (tessellated), gained reputation and implemented a policy of no/fe for all the people who were scammed by lucydrop feel safe buying from a Canadian lsd.
Lucydrop = Tessellated
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Yea I have a feeling that tony76 = LD = RLD = tessellated. Hes just playing games.
Am going back to some geniune, old and loyal sellers here.
I ask people not to finalize early, so I don't really match the pattern.
Lucy had a very good reputation and was making good money, so it was hard to believe that he was a scammer. But I think he's not an idiot... planned the scam early and created a new vendor account (tessellated), gained reputation and implemented a policy of no/fe for all the people who were scammed by lucydrop feel safe buying from a Canadian lsd.
Lucydrop = Tessellated
So, the sum total of evidence suggesting two people are the same person is that they ship the same drug from the same country?
Damn, guess that means I'm like 15 different people then ;)
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Yea I have a feeling that tony76 = LD = RLD = tessellated. Hes just playing games.
Am going back to some geniune, old and loyal sellers here.
I ask people not to finalize early, so I don't really match the pattern.
Lucy had a very good reputation and was making good money, so it was hard to believe that he was a scammer. But I think he's not an idiot... planned the scam early and created a new vendor account (tessellated), gained reputation and implemented a policy of no/fe for all the people who were scammed by lucydrop feel safe buying from a Canadian lsd.
Lucydrop = Tessellated
So, the sum total of evidence suggesting two people are the same person is that they ship the same drug from the same country?
Damn, guess that means I'm like 15 different people then ;)
-why his girlfriend change the password for the account, if she ran away with the money, that's the point?
-too coincidental that this happens after the lot weaker and you came out of jail just after the scam was unsustainable.
-not only defrauded people who gave FE, in addition to all the people that he promised reship (too good to be coincidence)
He make this thread, for what purpose? to return to the business? Obviously not, his reputation is dead.
He did it to create doubt ... for anyone to be sure that the ghost of Lucy still continues in the business, he says "My Entire life was taken from me and I do not know what to do"... this faking his own death
the same product, same country, the dates match and is the perfect scam because still sells
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SR doesn't "profit off of a scam" -- if they did, they would never ban a single scammer .... when in reality, they are investigating scam accusations and banning scammer accounts every single day.
I don't understand how people can blame SR for them FEing.
When you FE, you should understand the risk that YOU are choosing to take. SR doesn't make you FE, the only person that makes that decision is YOURSELF.
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what benefit does FE have for the community? I see the benefit to the vendor, but it stops there.
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Wow. I don't know what to think. Seems odd. But its some story. I'll be fascinated to hear how it turns out.
If true I am sorry to hear about your troubles and hope things get better for you.
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The whole story is ridiculous. For example - the fact that RLD can remember conversations with Nevita or even told him he thought his partner was getting weird in no way proves anything, because if LD was planning a scam that's exactly what he would do.
About Tess - the reason people think Tess is the same person is because LD was preceded by at least two other Canadian scammers with very similar MOs (good product, good track record, no FE, finally started asking for FE and scammed hundreds of people). this was the story with TOny76 and before that with whatshisname - NSC or something like that.
You have to understand that for these long-term pro scammers, the scam is kind of a game, and they probably don't go into it with a clear plan - they pretty much improvise and make stuff up as they go along. And presumably they see it as a challenge to think of how much bullshit they can get people to swallow. They also try to adopt a specific persona each time. So LD was the earnest, well-intentioned acid guru, whereas Tony76 was this streetwise, slightly dumb polydrug vendor who happened to end up specializing in selling acid. But anybody who's got a background in online role playing games (ie pretty much every hacker on the planet) knows how to do that.
None of this proves that Tess is the same person. It does prove that if Tess starts asking for FE then they should be boycotted immediately, because none of these scammers started out asking for FE.
People should also keep in mind that there have been big acid scams which even included vendors who used escrow. What they did was publicly use escrow and use it for everyone who's active in the forums but then don't end up asking dozens of people who only use the market to FE, and also to string out the finalization period for people in escrow by sending out product really late and then sending people NBome in the hope that a few dumbasses would post positive reviews because they kind of tripped a little and thereby pressure everyone else to finalize who hadn't tried it yet. These guys really play on the fact that a lot of people don't have a chance to try the acid as soon as it arrives but feel under some pressure to finalize as soon as they receive. That's why the avengers have been so important. They're not that reliable about dosage and acid quality but at least they let people know if the product they're receiving actually has some LSD on it and is the vaguely right ballpark when it comes to dosage.
Solution. Do Not FE. Do not even finalize for LSD without sampling it unless a large number of reviews plus the avengers have said that it is good acid.
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sub'd...
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I ordered from Tess and had no issues, no asking to FE, no hassle, great product, great stealth.
That logic I hear would lead you to think any vendor is THAT vendor. Like it was just said, the problem is the FE, that should be a very limited option and should not be allowed and or monitored.
I look at it like this, SR is DPR's baby, his/her project and vision, so I do not get how a Lucy scam went on as long as it has. Yes there is a report vendor button, and you know it was used, but this was bigger then that, has been bigger then that, for a long time, and has been allowed to continue. And why? DPR and all the founding members are smarter then me, smarter then most. This is a dropped ball and should be addressed. Yes scout, it has to be investigated I know they have to take steps, but to allow that account to accept orders still, there is no logical reason for that.
Also, SR did make a cut off a huge amount of money, even if it was 1% that is 1% of a lie. I am no math whiz, but it has to be several thousand dollars. Now should that money be given back to people that continued to FE? No, that was a live and learn mistake, and a fool and his money are easily separated. However, make it public what the cut was, and use that for something good, like some measure to prevent this kind of thing from happening again, give someone on the board of directors a pay increase who's one and only job is to monitor huge red flag FE situations like this Lucy circus? Work with me here, something.... something, do not just damage the integrity of the DPR name or SR for that matter by saying and doing nothing.
This brings a end to my thoughts I apologize if they didn't flow in a easy to read fashion. To sum it up. DPR address this, it seems to be over, but restore some faith that you can keep this from happening again. Wasn't it multiple thousands? And Tess has done nothing to deserve a finger pointed at him, so come on people, until someone gives you a reason to doubt them, don't. The end.
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I FE'd on a Lucydrop tenstrip in late February. I made the poor choice to finalize early based on his reviews (still stellar at the time from old orders receieved and new people ordering and giving 5s on good faith.... Long story short, gave bitcoin, no product.
This was the third time I have FE (the other two going well) and the last.
I was wondering if I can be refunded my coins plz....
Account name is same as forum name (an alias)....
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This sucks, acid is sacred......Tesselated is not a scammer, I've closed three substantial transactions with Tess satisfactorily. Times are good for acidheads, Jannis has yinyang dolphins and JerseyCow has some goods. Listen to the Avengers people.
Why do you people FE???? I say get fucked when I run into that. Do you mail $5 bills to McDonalds eight days before you go eat?
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I hope you get things sorted out, your lsd is incredible. I ordered some just a little over 2 months ago so I`m not sure if it was from you or your asshole of a partner. Its arrived and they were not weak tabs so I assume I got some of the last good ones before he went rogue. I`m glad I didn`t order anymore, but I would definately return to you as a customer when things get sorted out bro. I hope you find him.
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i came to SR when this was just starting to unfold and it has been a complete drama. A buddy of mine ordered from LD months ago and of the current weaker batch. I also got to sample these and the weaker batch. There was just a huge discrep in dosage between hits like the laying wasnt done correctly. (like two different people had laid each batch) well long story short he was offered a reship for his February purchase and still no signs of making good on that promise. This really sucks alot of people have been screwed but the escrow system is there to protect you. i can see finalizing on a order that has arrived before testing but why before the package ever comes. would you send that Nigerian prince the money he asked for in the highly personalized letter addressed to you too. If so i have a business opportunity for YOU. i accept BTC
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I want to address a couple things.
Some people seem to think I am Tesselated, so let me set something straight
Do NOT FE for Tesselated. Never. Do not finalize early for ANY vendor.
This really makes me sick. Not only did this piece of shit do all this damage to me and the buyers. He has hurt the LSD movement as a whole. Now other vendors are going to affected by this. The buyers won't be willing to buy LSD. LSD won't be getting in as many peoples hands to be used as a tool to find themselves and explore their minds.
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Any update on the situation, RealLucyDrop? Have they banned LucyDrop? Were you able to get in touch with DPR after I forwarded your message?
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I have made contact with DPR. He should be able to confirm that I am who I say I am and that my account was taken over by a rogue partner.
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I can't post in rumormill because I don't have 50 posts. Please post this thread in rumormill for me
DO NOT BUY FROM LUCYDROP ON SR
I can't talk about specifics for security reasons, but i was in jail for more than 2 months but less than 7. I got released very recently. LucyDrop on SilkRoad is NOT ME. DO NOT BUY FROM THAT ACCOUNT. My partner completely fucked me over. I went to our spot.. there is nothing there and he wont answer my phone calls. He took the work computer and everything else. He took my entire savings with him that was being used to keep supply up. He took my entire life. Somebody PLEASE get in contact with DPR or Vendor Support and have the account shut down immediately and freeze all the funds in the account.
How can I contact DPR? I can't find a link to message him. I can prove to him that I am the real lucydrop as I do not have access to my pgp or any of my logins.
If you ordered from me in the past (namely a couple of top vendors, i can give you details and you can verify/vouch that I am indeed the real LucyDrop)
Do not trust anything that is said from that LucyDrop account! Do not send ANY FUNDS. Do NOT FINALIZE ANYTHING.
Somebody please get DPR to see this thread. Someone please post this in Rumor mill. My entire life was taken from me and I don't know what to do
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This sounds sketch as hell.
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I ordered from Tess and had no issues, no asking to FE, no hassle, great product, great stealth.
That logic I hear would lead you to think any vendor is THAT vendor. Like it was just said, the problem is the FE, that should be a very limited option and should not be allowed and or monitored.
I look at it like this, SR is DPR's baby, his/her project and vision, so I do not get how a Lucy scam went on as long as it has. Yes there is a report vendor button, and you know it was used, but this was bigger then that, has been bigger then that, for a long time, and has been allowed to continue. And why? DPR and all the founding members are smarter then me, smarter then most. This is a dropped ball and should be addressed. Yes scout, it has to be investigated I know they have to take steps, but to allow that account to accept orders still, there is no logical reason for that.
Also, SR did make a cut off a huge amount of money, even if it was 1% that is 1% of a lie. I am no math whiz, but it has to be several thousand dollars. Now should that money be given back to people that continued to FE? No, that was a live and learn mistake, and a fool and his money are easily separated. However, make it public what the cut was, and use that for something good, like some measure to prevent this kind of thing from happening again, give someone on the board of directors a pay increase who's one and only job is to monitor huge red flag FE situations like this Lucy circus? Work with me here, something.... something, do not just damage the integrity of the DPR name or SR for that matter by saying and doing nothing.
This brings a end to my thoughts I apologize if they didn't flow in a easy to read fashion. To sum it up. DPR address this, it seems to be over, but restore some faith that you can keep this from happening again. Wasn't it multiple thousands? And Tess has done nothing to deserve a finger pointed at him, so come on people, until someone gives you a reason to doubt them, don't. The end.
Well said +1 for you...
I feel the same way...SR did profit from this scam and I feel if scams hurt SR financialy as well as thier customers thjey might be more proactive in rooting them out and stopping them in thier tracks...
This LD scam went on for months and the whole community was well aware of it and nothing was done untill far, far too late IMHO!!!
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If you actually believe this story.. holy shit.. you might be retarded.
Not just a mild mental disorder.. full on RETARDATION! (Borat voice)
Fuck you LD
You're ugly too
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I ordered from Tess and had no issues, no asking to FE, no hassle, great product, great stealth.
That logic I hear would lead you to think any vendor is THAT vendor. Like it was just said, the problem is the FE, that should be a very limited option and should not be allowed and or monitored.
I look at it like this, SR is DPR's baby, his/her project and vision, so I do not get how a Lucy scam went on as long as it has. Yes there is a report vendor button, and you know it was used, but this was bigger then that, has been bigger then that, for a long time, and has been allowed to continue. And why? DPR and all the founding members are smarter then me, smarter then most. This is a dropped ball and should be addressed. Yes scout, it has to be investigated I know they have to take steps, but to allow that account to accept orders still, there is no logical reason for that.
Also, SR did make a cut off a huge amount of money, even if it was 1% that is 1% of a lie. I am no math whiz, but it has to be several thousand dollars. Now should that money be given back to people that continued to FE? No, that was a live and learn mistake, and a fool and his money are easily separated. However, make it public what the cut was, and use that for something good, like some measure to prevent this kind of thing from happening again, give someone on the board of directors a pay increase who's one and only job is to monitor huge red flag FE situations like this Lucy circus? Work with me here, something.... something, do not just damage the integrity of the DPR name or SR for that matter by saying and doing nothing.
This brings a end to my thoughts I apologize if they didn't flow in a easy to read fashion. To sum it up. DPR address this, it seems to be over, but restore some faith that you can keep this from happening again. Wasn't it multiple thousands? And Tess has done nothing to deserve a finger pointed at him, so come on people, until someone gives you a reason to doubt them, don't. The end.
Well said +1 for you...
I feel the same way...SR did profit from this scam and I feel if scams hurt SR financialy as well as thier customers thjey might be more proactive in rooting them out and stopping them in thier tracks...
This LD scam went on for months and the whole community was well aware of it and nothing was done untill far, far too late IMHO!!!
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And why are we disappointed in things like this happening, on an irrevocable, anonymous platform? Pay to play...
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This could mostly be avoided if people didn't FE, but still.
brb, going to go pre-emptively register a "TheRealSpartacus" forum account.
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I ordered from Tess and had no issues, no asking to FE, no hassle, great product, great stealth.
That logic I hear would lead you to think any vendor is THAT vendor. Like it was just said, the problem is the FE, that should be a very limited option and should not be allowed and or monitored.
I look at it like this, SR is DPR's baby, his/her project and vision, so I do not get how a Lucy scam went on as long as it has. Yes there is a report vendor button, and you know it was used, but this was bigger then that, has been bigger then that, for a long time, and has been allowed to continue. And why? DPR and all the founding members are smarter then me, smarter then most. This is a dropped ball and should be addressed. Yes scout, it has to be investigated I know they have to take steps, but to allow that account to accept orders still, there is no logical reason for that.
Also, SR did make a cut off a huge amount of money, even if it was 1% that is 1% of a lie. I am no math whiz, but it has to be several thousand dollars. Now should that money be given back to people that continued to FE? No, that was a live and learn mistake, and a fool and his money are easily separated. However, make it public what the cut was, and use that for something good, like some measure to prevent this kind of thing from happening again, give someone on the board of directors a pay increase who's one and only job is to monitor huge red flag FE situations like this Lucy circus? Work with me here, something.... something, do not just damage the integrity of the DPR name or SR for that matter by saying and doing nothing.
This brings a end to my thoughts I apologize if they didn't flow in a easy to read fashion. To sum it up. DPR address this, it seems to be over, but restore some faith that you can keep this from happening again. Wasn't it multiple thousands? And Tess has done nothing to deserve a finger pointed at him, so come on people, until someone gives you a reason to doubt them, don't. The end.
Well said +1 for you...
I feel the same way...SR did profit from this scam and I feel if scams hurt SR financialy as well as thier customers thjey might be more proactive in rooting them out and stopping them in thier tracks...
This LD scam went on for months and the whole community was well aware of it and nothing was done untill far, far too late IMHO!!!
I 3rd this, I could not have honestly typed a better reply to all this. This situation doesn't involve me but implement this mans advice x10
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Sigh... What a mess this whole thing turned into. I should have just went with my gut, because now I'm down $150 and have 0 LSD. My entire area has been dry for months, and I was really banking on this...
RLD, if you are telling the truth, that really sucks and I hope you manage to work things out. But, it comes with the business. I have my doubts about this, especially due to the coincidental timing...
I'll have my eye on this thead
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YEAH IFIT WASNT FOR THE 50 THING things would have turned out better
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I ordered from Tess and had no issues, no asking to FE, no hassle, great product, great stealth.
That logic I hear would lead you to think any vendor is THAT vendor. Like it was just said, the problem is the FE, that should be a very limited option and should not be allowed and or monitored.
I look at it like this, SR is DPR's baby, his/her project and vision, so I do not get how a Lucy scam went on as long as it has. Yes there is a report vendor button, and you know it was used, but this was bigger then that, has been bigger then that, for a long time, and has been allowed to continue. And why? DPR and all the founding members are smarter then me, smarter then most. This is a dropped ball and should be addressed. Yes scout, it has to be investigated I know they have to take steps, but to allow that account to accept orders still, there is no logical reason for that.
Also, SR did make a cut off a huge amount of money, even if it was 1% that is 1% of a lie. I am no math whiz, but it has to be several thousand dollars. Now should that money be given back to people that continued to FE? No, that was a live and learn mistake, and a fool and his money are easily separated. However, make it public what the cut was, and use that for something good, like some measure to prevent this kind of thing from happening again, give someone on the board of directors a pay increase who's one and only job is to monitor huge red flag FE situations like this Lucy circus? Work with me here, something.... something, do not just damage the integrity of the DPR name or SR for that matter by saying and doing nothing.
This brings a end to my thoughts I apologize if they didn't flow in a easy to read fashion. To sum it up. DPR address this, it seems to be over, but restore some faith that you can keep this from happening again. Wasn't it multiple thousands? And Tess has done nothing to deserve a finger pointed at him, so come on people, until someone gives you a reason to doubt them, don't. The end.
Well said +1 for you...
I feel the same way...SR did profit from this scam and I feel if scams hurt SR financialy as well as thier customers thjey might be more proactive in rooting them out and stopping them in thier tracks...
This LD scam went on for months and the whole community was well aware of it and nothing was done untill far, far too late IMHO!!!
I 3rd this, I could not have honestly typed a better reply to all this. This situation doesn't involve me but implement this mans advice x10
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So if this whole thing is true then my first buy on SR went off without a hitch :/ Now I feel like a total dipshit. Is there any way I can get my coins back.
P.S Yes I FE because Im a stupid idiot i guess....
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You guys are looking at this all wrong
SR does not profit from scams, they profit from completed transactions
So when you FE, you are telling them you no longer need their escrow and their job is done.
They earned their commission matching buyer to seller and none of you would have been scammed if you didnt FE.
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just saw on the rumormill thread they shut down the Lucydrop account, so it looks like the OP here, the reallucydrop was able to convince the admins, no doubt some secrets only the real lucy would know about - I guess
so if that's all true, then congrats to the real lucy drop for speaking up and it least stopping more people from getting scammed. very good +1
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You guys are looking at this all wrong
SR does not profit from scams, they profit from completed transactions
So when you FE, you are telling them you no longer need their escrow and their job is done.
They earned their commission matching buyer to seller and none of you would have been scammed if you didnt FE.
I understand that part, I am just concerned if there is anyway to fix MY mistake and am asking not out of demand that i get my coins back but more hope that I can be helped. Ether way there is a big lesson learned here for me anyway....
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You guys are looking at this all wrong
SR does not profit from scams, they profit from completed transactions
So when you FE, you are telling them you no longer need their escrow and their job is done.
They earned their commission matching buyer to seller and none of you would have been scammed if you didnt FE.
Quoted for truth.
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what is the point of FE? why not have a better seller resolution system where each equally have rights instead of it being very buyer sided
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Well don't I just feel like a complete retard.
I saw that "Lucy" was doing reships to "everyone who got her weak acid" and like an idiot, after getting an order after one week from tesselated, (which I can confirm is NOT lucy just because of his stealth) I ordered from her and f/e'd for a 50 tab... 250 dollars right down the toilet. So I actually thought I was getting a reship as well so I patiently have been waiting these past three weeks thinking I was going to be set all the way to summer. ...fuck.
I will say in defense of what I thought was a decent intellect that I had ordered 3 times from her previously and received my order within a week each time. I was bolstered by stories of people receiving reships and it seemed things were taking a turn for the better, now I log in a week later and see this. Fuckin fantastic. Tesselated is legit, order from him.
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any logs of conversations should be compiled with dates and compare grammar, sentence structure, common misspellings, and see if there was a change in character around the time the real ld is said to of disappeared
^good idea.
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sub'd. I love drama
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Idk about that being truth. The job is to match a buyer and seller? A legit seller maybe. But not to turn a blind eye and continuing to match people up with a rogue seller?
The real truth is people should not FE.
FE should not be allowed to rage unchecked when red flags pop up, or at all.
And SR admin dropped the ball on this, as did everyone who FE. The blame is somewhere around 50/50.
If I ran a store that I built from the ground up, hired employee's who suddenly started ripping people off, well that would look bad on who? Me. And who should have been on top of that? Me.
Plenty of blame to go around I suppose.
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And people have a chance to let SR do their job is they stay in escrow. If you do not stay in escrow, their job cant be done.
Often times FE offers are "act now" ... "must move quick" deals ... and SR doesnt have their finger on the pulse of every little thing ... but I know they have hired 2 new employees ( which is NOT easy when running the most sought after takedown of any drug police ) recently and I am sure when they grow a little bigger DPR will get another one and another one.
You must give the free market space to breathe
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SORRY TO hear LD, sounds terrible
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sub'd. I love drama
exactly!
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sub'ing
WOW...
When you thought you've seen and heard it all something like this pops up!!! Its amazing the drama money can cause even when its anonymous...
I haven't been able to pop popcorn and wear my tin foil pimp-hat sense the avengers arrived and the lsd scene got cleaned up...
hazed
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I leave SR for 3 days to roll my balls off at Ultra and come back to some high quality drama. Subbing this shit.
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Subbing to this!
Just kidding this is Newbie section, the house of spam!!!!
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popcorn
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Yeah drama is the spice of life. I got ripped off in the scam but I'm pretty over it now.
The song "This Day Aria" describes perfectly what happened to LD.
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what was the outcome of this
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Lucydrop is dead you idiot why this thread still here
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I'm new to SR but not new to drugs or druggies. RDL sounds like a scammer, wouldn't trust him/her with a single BTC. Who would share their account and password etc? It's not hard paying someone to post, pack etc while keeping the majority info to yourself. Stick to the solid sellers and keep orders smallish unless you can afford to take a chance, that way it's not a biggie if you get burned.
He/she, sent out some reorders just to give people hope and keep the money rolling in, now has realized that there is no going back so made this weak excuse up. Steer clear!
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sub'd
drama for ma momma
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Soooo, where are you "RealLucyDrop"? If you're really who you tell you are: are you planning to do (partial?) refunds? What are your plans?
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Soooo, where are you "RealLucyDrop"? If you're really who you tell you are: are you planning to do (partial?) refunds? What are your plans?
sub. Want to hear the answer t o this. I really do. 8)
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Wow, this is an interesting development. :o
I'm pretty sure the LD account is suspended, no?
Your bastard partner took about $100/whatever BTC it was worth at the time (beginning of Feb) from me. If it could be returned that would be awesome. It was JUST before it started coming out that he was a scammer that I decided to make a purchase.
That's really fucked, man. I hope you find a way to get your account back. I'll help however I can.
And karma will bite that motherfucker in the ass, trust me.
So how is jail in Canada anyway? Bean bag chairs and cocktails all day?
lol jk but glad your out man, stay safe.
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cerebralrainbow, I wouldn't hold my breath expecting a refund if I were you. Even IF this story is true, how would the real Lucydrop have the money to refund you after his partner went rogue and stole all his money and product? If Lucydrop and RealLucyDrop are truly different people and this is exactly how things went down, then RealLucyDrop simply doesn't have your money.
But I believe RealLucyDrop does have your money, because I believe Lucydrop and RealLucyDrop are the exact same person. Just because RealLucyDrop can prove that he was actually using the Lucydrop account a few months ago doesn't mean his story holds weight. He could have still been operating as Lucydrop, scamming you, me, and plenty of others. I was fortunate enough to receive the Alpha print, which Avengers recently tested at ~30ug, so my quarter sheet wasn't completely bunk, but we were scammed just the same.
I think some of you guys are either a little too trusting or are still guilty of wishful thinking. No judgement here; when Lucydrop announced that he was offering reships for the weak batch (a lie), I was one of the first to assert that Lucydrop was exhibiting the gold standard for customer service, and then he turned around to scam everyone. I'm obviously eating those words now.
Sadly, if I'm being realistic and honest with myself, I don't believe a reship or refund of any kind is ever going to happen.
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But I believe RealLucyDrop does have your money, because I believe Lucydrop and RealLucyDrop are the exact same person.
What reason would he have to come back and (somewhat) repair his image? If he ripped everyone off and was planning to sell again, all he would need to do is create a new image. It's all anonymous afterall.
I do agree, however, doesn't seem likely any of us saps will be getting any product or money back.
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cerebralrainbow, I wouldn't hold my breath expecting a refund if I were you. Even IF this story is true, how would the real Lucydrop have the money to refund you after his partner went rogue and stole all his money and product? If Lucydrop and RealLucyDrop are truly different people and this is exactly how things went down, then RealLucyDrop simply doesn't have your money.
But I believe RealLucyDrop does have your money, because I believe Lucydrop and RealLucyDrop are the exact same person. Just because RealLucyDrop can prove that he was actually using the Lucydrop account a few months ago doesn't mean his story holds weight. He could have still been operating as Lucydrop, scamming you, me, and plenty of others. I was fortunate enough to receive the Alpha print, which Avengers recently tested at ~30ug, so my quarter sheet wasn't completely bunk, but we were scammed just the same.
I think some of you guys are either a little too trusting or are still guilty of wishful thinking. No judgement here; when Lucydrop announced that he was offering reships for the weak batch (a lie), I was one of the first to assert that Lucydrop was exhibiting the gold standard for customer service, and then he turned around to scam everyone. I'm obviously eating those words now.
Sadly, if I'm being realistic and honest with myself, I don't believe a reship or refund of any kind is ever going to happen.
100% agree with you.
I wouldn't say I'm gullible, 'twas simply a bit of wishful thinking. But it makes sense. Common sense at that. 5 seconds of pondering the situation should lead anyone to the same conclusion -- anyone that isn't entirely naive to human nature. And after being scammed, why would you be?
I am not harboring any uncomfortable emotions over this situation. I've lost more money on face to face drug deals, most over stupid shit like pot, so I'm just writing this one off as bad luck and a newbie mistake. I feel like a fool for trusting the quick response regarding a reship and updating my feedback with accolades and kudos for his communication and understanding.
Hah! Didn't take long to realize the scam once packages were coming from Poland and China within a week...
I will certainly never FE again. Thankfully, I have enough purchases that I shouldn't "have to".
C'est la vie!
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I have just started SR but I was already familiar with LucyDrop, good luck!
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Sound's like a crazy situation
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100% agree with you.
I wouldn't say I'm gullible, 'twas simply a bit of wishful thinking. But it makes sense. Common sense at that. 5 seconds of pondering the situation should lead anyone to the same conclusion -- anyone that isn't entirely naive to human nature. And after being scammed, why would you be?
I am not harboring any uncomfortable emotions over this situation. I've lost more money on face to face drug deals, most over stupid shit like pot, so I'm just writing this one off as bad luck and a newbie mistake. I feel like a fool for trusting the quick response regarding a reship and updating my feedback with accolades and kudos for his communication and understanding.
Hah! Didn't take long to realize the scam once packages were coming from Poland and China within a week...
I will certainly never FE again. Thankfully, I have enough purchases that I shouldn't "have to".
C'est la vie!
Yeah I've lost considerably more than $250 face to face, and back then I didn't have the income to support that kind of hit. I'm taking it as a lesson learned the hard way not to FE. I always have to learn things from experience anyway so I suppose going through this is a good thing.
I've got 50 Gandalfs coming in from Jerseycow, and one LSD raspberry from makahala on the way as well. No FE for either of those transactions and Jerseycow has been great to deal with so far. I think I'm going to be very happy I went with an Avengers star rated vendor.
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So the plot fucking thickens
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I don't know what to believe... it'll be interesting to see how this plays out though
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I believe that RLD and LD are the same people. I find it hard to believe his story. He is glib now, but he WOULD be if LD and RLD are the same people anyway. And for RLD to expect anybody to believe that story (without a HELL of a lot more proof) is almost as insulting as the scam itself.
This is going to continue. What are some ways to stop scammers from doing the same thing, over and over and over.....?
Maybe some kind of deposit with SR. Maybe it could be collected as the dealer sells product, a 5% charge? And it should be harder for customers to FE.
I promised to FE on one order, I hope that works out
I don't blame SR at all.
If you're a dealer, you should be able to afford a (eventually returned) deposit.
I looked at stats for dealers on SR, which seemed great, and then have come to the forums and found that they're were all kind of complaints. I haven't seen any 'scammer' 1/5 on SR for reviews. Does the bulk of the orders cover that up, or what?
The dealers should get their heads together (along with the customers) and figure out a 'Best Practices' guideline. I know, don't FE.
Whether or not my order works out, I'm not going to FE anymore.
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There is nothing more to play out in this drama.
The game is over.
Move on, folks!!!
Lucydrop knows how to scam people and so he will be around here on SR. You just need to watch out for him.
There will be a new account (this might already be operative :) ) selling LSD and./or other drugs from Canada (or undeclared :) ) and he will be super nice to all his customers and gain trust and confidence as did Tony76 and Lucydrop!!!
The dates of Canadian LSD scams are as noted in Mayan Calender :)
2012 - 4-20
2013 - 3-15
2014 - 2-10 ---- Watch out for this date or around it :)
Haha, wish I kept records, but there's been at least 3 other LSD scams from Canada since 4/20...the one I remember well was 9 months ago when the vendor claimed his account had gotten hacked and 200 BTC ended up in the moderator account. He sent out half orders for weeks before this happened, very similar to LucyDrop
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Tess: I don't have access to my PGP or any account. I don't have access to the work computer. He took everything and skipped.
To the person suggesting that I am attempting a re-entry: I am trying to get the account shut down, not regain access to continue selling. He is still making sales and people are still finalizing for him. He took everything I own. What would I have to gain from trying to get that account shut down if it was mine and still generating sales and people were still finalizing?
You guys know me. Did I ever seem like I was that type of guy? I have put a lot of work spreading this chemical around, and now for everything I have done, I have lost everything because I was stupid and thought I could trust someone who I invited into my home.. to meet my family.. and to do business with.
I don't like disclosing who I talk to and whatnot, but I regularly talked to Nevita. Great human being and great vendor. Before any of this bullshit happened with the weak tabs and this scam bullshit I had told Nevita that my partner was acting strange and that I believed money and greed was getting to his head. This was all before any of this stuff happened. I hope one of you can get his eyes on this thread, and hopefully he can at least vouch for that. I considered/consider him one of my true friends on SilkRoad.
I don't even know what to do now. I'm so lost and I feel responsible for not acting on my feelings of my partner acting weird when we started getting popular on SR. I don't know if he reported me to the police for my warrants for previous charges, but I would not put it past him to use that opportunity to take my life from me.
What I am first trying to do is get the account shut down and all funds frozen. I completely understand if people hate me, because they have every right to. I should never trusted bringing a partner in. Truth was that it was too overwhelming for 1 person to handle and I truly believed I could trust him. I will do everything in my power to make this right, but at this moment I do not even know what i am going to do. I will no longer be vending because I have lost my faith in humanity.
This what happens when you get greedy and seek to expand your business, instead of keepin' it small at your own capacity as you like (30 orders a week? 20?..)
It's not about the money - it's a mission in the name of god!
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Yeah man, fuck scammers. Even if not scammers, some vendors just grow so much that they can't handle it.
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I'd like to address a couple of things that people have asked me, or that have come up in this discussion
1.) Will I ever vend again? No. I do not have the means to vend again, and even if I did i wouldn't. I put a lot of work and effort into this, and I have nothing to show for it except a ton of people who were hurt because of the actions of my rogue partner.
2.) What will be done about this whole fiasco? I have been in contact with DPR and I can not really discuss what has been discussed, but I'm helping him make sure this doesn't happen again
3.) Am I tesselatated? Was this an exit strategy and will I shop up under a different name? No. I don't know how I can prove this but I will tell you a couple things that maybe will make you feel more confident that I am done with this place (vending - not the community - because the LSD community here are some of the warmest kindest people I have met)
Do not FE for ANYBODY. Do not FE for tesselated or ANYBODY. Be W EARY of ANYONE from my region trying sell LSD. My ex partner is a horrible human being, and I don't know if he will try and make another account to scam more. So NEVER FE for anyone, and ESPECIALLY never FE for anybody from this region.
I wish I had more to say to you guys, or a way I could help the people who were caught in this mess. Truth is, I lost everything and I don't really know what I am going to do now.
I appreciate the kind words people have PM'd me and in this thread. I will still be active on the forums, but only as a escrow advocate and not a vendor.
Thank you all for everything, and I'm sorry it ended like this
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There are like 7 people in b.c that are in the know, less probably. As if you can't find him since you know so much about him, give me a break.
Why the fuck you're wasting time here and not out dealing with him is a big clue you're full of shit, along with enough coincidences to choke a crackwhore.
Name him. Solved in 24 hours prolly less since its a tiny fucking place you all just happen to live in. I can think of 20 ways to find him and that's without his name etc.
How the fuck can anyone let that slide. Grow a pair and deal with him... What kinda man are you. Fucking coward.
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@RealLucyDrop: soooo, you're out of business. Great, now there is 0 chances to get refund/reship. Cool :/
Is it worth to continue this thread? We lost money, we won't get it back, the "RealLucyDrop" has nothing valuable to say.
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The people going all nuts on this really upsets me, who cares if this is the real ld or not, our money is gone and its not coming back.
If you think tessellated is ld, then you clearly have never tried tes`es product, and that shit about it was ld who crashed the forum, that has to be the simple most idiotic comment i have read in here
Some people just wants the internet to go up in flames.
RealLucyDrop, can we ask some questions about your business ?
Where did the acid come from ?, why did you leave it all to someone you dont really know ? And what happened to the money you made before going to jail ? I hope its okay i am asking, LE cant really use any og this to anything and if you never gonna vend it shudent really matter
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Just found this thread.....what the hell man? :-\
Close to 100 bucks down the drain :'(
Should be some type of insurance or something.
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Just found this thread.....what the hell man? :-\
Close to 100 bucks down the drain :'(
Should be some type of insurance or something.
There is.
It's called escrow.
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Just found this thread.....what the hell man? :-\
Close to 100 bucks down the drain :'(
Should be some type of insurance or something.
There is.
It's called escrow.
Rofl, its amazing to me how little people know about SR before they use it.
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Pain is a good teacher.
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I had a 10 strip order in escrow for some time now. LD responded to my order with a request to FE even though my stats were good. I replied that I would not and to cancel the order if he wouldn't ship. Of course this was when he/she stopped reading messages or logging in for that matter. Well finally the resolve link becomes available and I clicked it. Now I still have to wait for 5 more days for the SR admin to finish it up and provide a resolution.
I want my 1.52 BTC back, not $70 worth of BTC. I don't beleive it fair for anyone, LD or SR, to keep the appreciated value of my bitcoins seeing as they are now worth $105 rather than $70 due to the "hedged" policy on the product listing and the price of BTC significantly larger now than when I placed my order. I certainly hope SR admins see this my way....
blahblah1234
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I want my 1.52 BTC back, not $70 worth of BTC. I don't beleive it fair for anyone, LD or SR, to keep the appreciated value of my bitcoins seeing as they are now worth $105 rather than $70 due to the "hedged" policy on the product listing and the price of BTC significantly larger now than when I placed my order. I certainly hope SR admins see this my way....
blahblah1234
You are buying drugs of the internet, people who work here are taking huge risks, AND you are complaining about "just" getting your the exact amount back you invested in your BC...
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Interesting plot twist indeed..
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Here is my take on this whole issue.
To sum it up before you read the whole thing, my thoughts are that Lucydrop = RealLucyDrop = Tesselated
There is a lot of money to be made from selling and scamming people with LSD. I believe that Lucydrop came into this knowing he would scam SR, in addition to planning a longer term kind of scam, and that's why they set up 'Tesselated', just in time to take over Lucydrop when everyone finally realized the huge scam they were pulling.
I have read in this thread that people are saying that LD is not tesselated because of the shipping not being the same? No kidding people, if you were trying to change your identity, would you use the same characteristic markings that you used with your last identity? No, and I shouldn't even have to address that.
Tesselated seems to be a fantastic seller with escrow being used all the time, but I am suspicious, because in the time I have been lurking SR, LSD has always been an expensive and more rare drug than any. In the time that Lucydrop came onto the scene and started selling and making everyone happy (for the record, I bought from Lucydrop and got a 10 strip of real LSD...), Tesselated, also a vendor with apparent large amounts of LSD to sell cheaply at his disposal, also shows up.
This strikes me as slightly strange, and I am very suspicious of all vendors on SR now because of this large scam.
To sum this up once again, DO NOT FE. EVER.
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Here is my take on this whole issue.
To sum it up before you read the whole thing, my thoughts are that Lucydrop = RealLucyDrop = Tesselated
There is a lot of money to be made from selling and scamming people with LSD. I believe that Lucydrop came into this knowing he would scam SR, in addition to planning a longer term kind of scam, and that's why they set up 'Tesselated', just in time to take over Lucydrop when everyone finally realized the huge scam they were pulling.
I have read in this thread that people are saying that LD is not tesselated because of the shipping not being the same? No kidding people, if you were trying to change your identity, would you use the same characteristic markings that you used with your last identity? No, and I shouldn't even have to address that.
Tesselated seems to be a fantastic seller with escrow being used all the time, but I am suspicious, because in the time I have been lurking SR, LSD has always been an expensive and more rare drug than any. In the time that Lucydrop came onto the scene and started selling and making everyone happy (for the record, I bought from Lucydrop and got a 10 strip of real LSD...), Tesselated, also a vendor with apparent large amounts of LSD to sell cheaply at his disposal, also shows up.
This strikes me as slightly strange, and I am very suspicious of all vendors on SR now because of this large scam.
To sum this up once again, DO NOT FE. EVER.
The assumption here is still:
Same drug + Same country = HURR DURR same person.
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I want my 1.52 BTC back, not $70 worth of BTC. I don't beleive it fair for anyone, LD or SR, to keep the appreciated value of my bitcoins seeing as they are now worth $105 rather than $70 due to the "hedged" policy on the product listing and the price of BTC significantly larger now than when I placed my order. I certainly hope SR admins see this my way....
blahblah1234
You are buying drugs of the internet, people who work here are taking huge risks, AND you are complaining about "just" getting your the exact amount back you invested in your BC...
I put 1.52 BTC in escrow and got only .98 back. Even though I didn't FE, I still got scammed and someone is profiting off my .54 BTC. SR is a BTC based system, there are no dollars here. I want my BTC back period. And how do you know what I invested in BC? I have been involved in BTC for 2+ years now, before SR even existed, you assume too much.
blahblah1234
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Hey Lucky, I'm on it. I wanted to change my username and got hit with this stupid new 50 post thing (we didn't have that a year ago..)
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Hey LC, I got you covered on the RumorMill on my other acct (just the main rumormill page, not the LSD avengers)..
"Why should we care?" Well, I mean, if this person can prove their innocence (at the very least, they're saying DON'T BUY ANYTHING!) I think that says something.. and the scammer ought to get kicked off, least for now. We'd figure out quick who their new name would be because of location and similar sentence structure, syntax.. But I got you covered temporarily LC, if nobody else posted anything,
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Your faith in humanity shouldn't be based on black market activities.
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I want my 1.52 BTC back, not $70 worth of BTC. I don't beleive it fair for anyone, LD or SR, to keep the appreciated value of my bitcoins seeing as they are now worth $105 rather than $70 due to the "hedged" policy on the product listing and the price of BTC significantly larger now than when I placed my order. I certainly hope SR admins see this my way....
blahblah1234
You are buying drugs of the internet, people who work here are taking huge risks, AND you are complaining about "just" getting your the exact amount back you invested in your BC...
I put 1.52 BTC in escrow and got only .98 back. Even though I didn't FE, I still got scammed and someone is profiting off my .54 BTC. SR is a BTC based system, there are no dollars here. I want my BTC back period. And how do you know what I invested in BC? I have been involved in BTC for 2+ years now, before SR even existed, you assume too much.
blahblah1234
Dude it was an unhedged transaction, therefore tied to the dollar value not BTC--to protect people.
What if bitcoin had crashed in value instead of skyrocketed (as it often does). Would you be happy getting back your 1.5BTC if the exchange rate was $5/1 BTC?? I'd guess you'd be bitching about only getting back $7 when you paid a lot more.
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Same drug. Same country. Same small city. Same bullshit typing style. So wow they took away F/E no real choice there and changed stealth. Boy im convinced. Ya I'm sure its not tony i mean Lucy i mean tesslated.....
L.o.L
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Obviously the theory that Tony/LD/Tess are the same person is plausible, just like basically every theory is plausible on a totally anonymous marketplace. It doesn't seem likely to be the truth though, imho.
If what you guys is saying is true, this is the most elaborate and wonderfully executed scam. But if it was, wouldn't it have been done a little better? (Unreal) LD could have done much more to reassure people, between the reship promises and the account being deleted. This would have led to quite a few more FEs, I believe. If LD was shipping those reships in an attempt to calm people down and increase FEs, why not be more reassuring on the forums? Why not send the most prestigious forum members THEIR acid? 'The Real LD turned up just as the scam became untenable'... The scam appeared pretty untenable for quite a while before, and people were still FEing. If anything, it seems Real LD's appearance prompted the end of the scam, although I can't be sure about that.
For a scam so incredibly elaborate, there seems to be a few pretty basic mistakes and oversights. The pieces don't fit. If anyone has quality answers to those questions, speak up - I love a good conspiracy. And the beauty of SR is that literally anything is possible, and we'd never be able to actually know. Even if Tess ends up scamming (I have faith that this will not ever happen) and says "I was Tony and Lucy!" we still wouldn't know - they might have just decided to scam and said that for a laugh because everyone would believe it.
The theory's definitely worth raising, but I don't get how people are so sure about anything on a place like this.
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I invite anyone to compare my writing style, grammar and spelling to that of tony/LD. Those engaging in conspiracy theories rarely take the time or effort to look for evidence to the contrary but it is regardless there.
Compare how I deal with my customers, compare my product and compare my finalization policies. On the face of it it sounds like an interesting theory, but do any checking at all and you will find it is a bit of a stupid belief. One is welcome to engage in willful ignorance and spread falsehoods not backed up by verifiable fact, I know it is a popular hobby and that is what the internet is for. Regardless, this baseless theory is not damaging my sales so other than being a bit insulting it is not hurting us at all.
Yes, we also landed a man on the moon.
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I invite anyone to compare my writing style, grammar and spelling to that of tony/LD. Those engaging in conspiracy theories rarely take the time or effort to look for evidence to the contrary but it is regardless there.
Compare how I deal with my customers, compare my product and compare my finalization policies. On the face of it it sounds like an interesting theory, but do any checking at all and you will find it is a bit of a stupid belief. One is welcome to engage in willful ignorance and spread falsehoods not backed up by verifiable fact, I know it is a popular hobby and that is what the internet is for. Regardless, this baseless theory is not damaging my sales so other than being a bit insulting it is not hurting us at all.
Yes, we also landed a man on the moon.
+1 Tess. I hate to see people spreading misinformation about you.
Tess provided me with my first ever, very memorable acid trip and did it with absolutely no issues. I recommend Tess 100% and would trust him alone with my mother. Keep on keepin on bro, love you.
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I invite anyone to compare my writing style, grammar and spelling to that of tony/LD. Those engaging in conspiracy theories rarely take the time or effort to look for evidence to the contrary but it is regardless there.
Compare how I deal with my customers, compare my product and compare my finalization policies. On the face of it it sounds like an interesting theory, but do any checking at all and you will find it is a bit of a stupid belief. One is welcome to engage in willful ignorance and spread falsehoods not backed up by verifiable fact, I know it is a popular hobby and that is what the internet is for. Regardless, this baseless theory is not damaging my sales so other than being a bit insulting it is not hurting us at all.
Yes, we also landed a man on the moon.
+1 Tess. I hate to see people spreading misinformation about you.
Tess provided me with my first ever, very memorable acid trip and did it with absolutely no issues. I recommend Tess 100% and would trust him alone with my mother. Keep on keepin on bro, love you.
Same here. Taking Tess' stuff just a few weeks ago was the first time I took acid and didn't wish I'd done way more. Not why I don't believe the conspiracy theory though. I don't believe it because it doesn't make sense and there's no evidence. Ah well, it's natural to see patterns in things when there aren't any. If anyone actually considered not ordering for Tess because of this, then the loss is theirs.
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Remember Oliver?? the same shit happened with him.
Threads like these are a Shout Out for ppl vending with partners!! You CANT TRUST YOUR RL FRIENDS!!
Noone can be trusted!!
Remember this!
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I want my 1.52 BTC back, not $70 worth of BTC. I don't beleive it fair for anyone, LD or SR, to keep the appreciated value of my bitcoins seeing as they are now worth $105 rather than $70 due to the "hedged" policy on the product listing and the price of BTC significantly larger now than when I placed my order. I certainly hope SR admins see this my way....
blahblah1234
You are buying drugs of the internet, people who work here are taking huge risks, AND you are complaining about "just" getting your the exact amount back you invested in your BC...
I put 1.52 BTC in escrow and got only .98 back. Even though I didn't FE, I still got scammed and someone is profiting off my .54 BTC. SR is a BTC based system, there are no dollars here. I want my BTC back period. And how do you know what I invested in BC? I have been involved in BTC for 2+ years now, before SR even existed, you assume too much.
blahblah1234
Dude it was an unhedged transaction, therefore tied to the dollar value not BTC--to protect people.
What if bitcoin had crashed in value instead of skyrocketed (as it often does). Would you be happy getting back your 1.5BTC if the exchange rate was $5/1 BTC?? I'd guess you'd be bitching about only getting back $7 when you paid a lot more.
That is a negative sir. The hedge system is designed to protect buyers and sellers who have good intentions. In this case the seller had ill intent and SR profited from the scam. I deal in bitcoins, put bitcoins into escrow and expect said bitcoins to be released from escrow, no matter the dollar value. If the dollar value/BTC went down, I would still have the same amount of bitcoins. No product was exchanged, the vendor never had my bitcoins, these bitcoins were never exchanged for dollars. I put 1.52 in a piggy bank and the bank handed me .98 and the bank kept the rest. Think about it, at this rate, how many BTC is SR keeping from this scam? Why would they want to keep them? That's bad PR. If dollars/BTC went down I could understand only getting back 1.52 BTC because that's all that it ever was, no conversion of that currency should have happened while in escrow.
blahblah1234
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GAWD I'M SO SCARED! IDK WHAT TO DOOOOOOO!!!!!!!
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I am so glad the account finally got shitcanned, I hated seeing that at the top of the "bestseller" list when I was looking for acid. Bullshit that that happened, I feel worse for (presumably) RealLD who got screwed over than the $68 or so I'm out. (The appreciation in BTC lately is making up for it.)
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GAWD I'M SO SCARED! IDK WHAT TO DOOOOOOO!!!!!!!
There are some great Valium suppliers on SR, pop one or two of those babies and your fear will drop to nought ;-)
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Anyone dropped any of Tess's acid recently? How awesome was it?
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I want my 1.52 BTC back, not $70 worth of BTC. I don't beleive it fair for anyone, LD or SR, to keep the appreciated value of my bitcoins seeing as they are now worth $105 rather than $70 due to the "hedged" policy on the product listing and the price of BTC significantly larger now than when I placed my order. I certainly hope SR admins see this my way....
blahblah1234
You are buying drugs of the internet, people who work here are taking huge risks, AND you are complaining about "just" getting your the exact amount back you invested in your BC...
I put 1.52 BTC in escrow and got only .98 back. Even though I didn't FE, I still got scammed and someone is profiting off my .54 BTC. SR is a BTC based system, there are no dollars here. I want my BTC back period. And how do you know what I invested in BC? I have been involved in BTC for 2+ years now, before SR even existed, you assume too much.
blahblah1234
Dude it was an unhedged transaction, therefore tied to the dollar value not BTC--to protect people.
What if bitcoin had crashed in value instead of skyrocketed (as it often does). Would you be happy getting back your 1.5BTC if the exchange rate was $5/1 BTC?? I'd guess you'd be bitching about only getting back $7 when you paid a lot more.
That is a negative sir. The hedge system is designed to protect buyers and sellers who have good intentions. In this case the seller had ill intent and SR profited from the scam. I deal in bitcoins, put bitcoins into escrow and expect said bitcoins to be released from escrow, no matter the dollar value. If the dollar value/BTC went down, I would still have the same amount of bitcoins. No product was exchanged, the vendor never had my bitcoins, these bitcoins were never exchanged for dollars. I put 1.52 in a piggy bank and the bank handed me .98 and the bank kept the rest. Think about it, at this rate, how many BTC is SR keeping from this scam? Why would they want to keep them? That's bad PR. If dollars/BTC went down I could understand only getting back 1.52 BTC because that's all that it ever was, no conversion of that currency should have happened while in escrow.
blahblah1234
Sorry sir, but you don't understand what hedged/unhedged means--it's not synonymous with "escrow".
From the SR wiki:
"Unfortunately, the Bitcoin exchange rate isn't as stable as we would all like it to be, and can fluctuate wildly in a matter of hours, let alone the days or weeks it takes for a package to arrive. Because of this, there is a real danger that the Bitcoins being held in your escrow account will lose value by the time your vendor gets paid or you are refunded. So, we've given the option to vendors to hedge the future payments they are expecting from escrow such that the dollar value of the payment doesn't change as the Bitcoin exchange rate changes.
For example, a seller is hedging the escrow for a 10 btc order you place with them, and the dollar value of your order when you purchase it is $100. Now, let's say your order never arrives and your vendor agrees to a full refund, but those 10 btc are no longer worth $100, they're worth $50! Because your vendor hedged the escrow, you won't get a refund of 10 btc, you'll get 20 btc equaling the original value of $100. Of course, the opposite is also true. If Bitcoins appreciate in value while your order is in escrow, your refund will be fewer Bitcoins, but still equaling the original dollar value.
When checking out, you will see which orders will be hedged and which won't. After the order is placed, your escrow balance will reflect the dollar value of your hedged orders and the Bitcoin value of your unhedged orders. All hedged orders are hedged as soon as the order is placed. So when getting a refund for hedged items, don't be surprised if the number of Bitcoins you get back is not the same as the amount you paid.
If you need the most up-to-date USD/BTC exchange rate, we recommend mtgoxlive.com. "
Depending on the vendor (and the fee they chose to pay) if will say hedged or unhedged next to the orders you've placed.
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Fuckin crazy seeing DANKNASTY next to everything. 50th post BITCHES FUCK YEAH
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GAWD I'M SO SCARED! IDK WHAT TO DOOOOOOO!!!!!!!
There are some great Valium suppliers on SR, pop one or two of those babies and your fear will drop to nought ;-)
this sounds like a trap
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Lol ^
Why does that sound like a trap? I hope you're joking... unless imghost9 happens to be trying to sell you some of his valium.. lol
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I want my 1.52 BTC back, not $70 worth of BTC. I don't beleive it fair for anyone, LD or SR, to keep the appreciated value of my bitcoins seeing as they are now worth $105 rather than $70 due to the "hedged" policy on the product listing and the price of BTC significantly larger now than when I placed my order. I certainly hope SR admins see this my way....
blahblah1234
You are buying drugs of the internet, people who work here are taking huge risks, AND you are complaining about "just" getting your the exact amount back you invested in your BC...
I put 1.52 BTC in escrow and got only .98 back. Even though I didn't FE, I still got scammed and someone is profiting off my .54 BTC. SR is a BTC based system, there are no dollars here. I want my BTC back period. And how do you know what I invested in BC? I have been involved in BTC for 2+ years now, before SR even existed, you assume too much.
blahblah1234
Dude it was an unhedged transaction, therefore tied to the dollar value not BTC--to protect people.
What if bitcoin had crashed in value instead of skyrocketed (as it often does). Would you be happy getting back your 1.5BTC if the exchange rate was $5/1 BTC?? I'd guess you'd be bitching about only getting back $7 when you paid a lot more.
That is a negative sir. The hedge system is designed to protect buyers and sellers who have good intentions. In this case the seller had ill intent and SR profited from the scam. I deal in bitcoins, put bitcoins into escrow and expect said bitcoins to be released from escrow, no matter the dollar value. If the dollar value/BTC went down, I would still have the same amount of bitcoins. No product was exchanged, the vendor never had my bitcoins, these bitcoins were never exchanged for dollars. I put 1.52 in a piggy bank and the bank handed me .98 and the bank kept the rest. Think about it, at this rate, how many BTC is SR keeping from this scam? Why would they want to keep them? That's bad PR. If dollars/BTC went down I could understand only getting back 1.52 BTC because that's all that it ever was, no conversion of that currency should have happened while in escrow.
blahblah1234
Sorry sir, but you don't understand what hedged/unhedged means--it's not synonymous with "escrow".
From the SR wiki:
"Unfortunately, the Bitcoin exchange rate isn't as stable as we would all like it to be, and can fluctuate wildly in a matter of hours, let alone the days or weeks it takes for a package to arrive. Because of this, there is a real danger that the Bitcoins being held in your escrow account will lose value by the time your vendor gets paid or you are refunded. So, we've given the option to vendors to hedge the future payments they are expecting from escrow such that the dollar value of the payment doesn't change as the Bitcoin exchange rate changes.
For example, a seller is hedging the escrow for a 10 btc order you place with them, and the dollar value of your order when you purchase it is $100. Now, let's say your order never arrives and your vendor agrees to a full refund, but those 10 btc are no longer worth $100, they're worth $50! Because your vendor hedged the escrow, you won't get a refund of 10 btc, you'll get 20 btc equaling the original value of $100. Of course, the opposite is also true. If Bitcoins appreciate in value while your order is in escrow, your refund will be fewer Bitcoins, but still equaling the original dollar value.
When checking out, you will see which orders will be hedged and which won't. After the order is placed, your escrow balance will reflect the dollar value of your hedged orders and the Bitcoin value of your unhedged orders. All hedged orders are hedged as soon as the order is placed. So when getting a refund for hedged items, don't be surprised if the number of Bitcoins you get back is not the same as the amount you paid.
If you need the most up-to-date USD/BTC exchange rate, we recommend mtgoxlive.com. "
Depending on the vendor (and the fee they chose to pay) if will say hedged or unhedged next to the orders you've placed.
I get the concept and understand the above. In this case though we are working with a scammer, not a vendor. The scammers decision to hedge the escrow was part of the scam. I believe the above is useful in the event of normal operations but in this case it shouldn't apply. Question, who kept the extra .52? SR or LD? Under the circumstances should either of them be entitled to it considering I followed all the rules? What benefit has my .52 loss provided and to whom?
BTW, I just wanted some acid, I am not mad just disappointed. And I just want to know who has the extra .52 bitcoin. My transaction was reversed, not even refunded. I never had a chance of getting any product, it's not an honest mistake or a postal service screw up, it was pure intent on LDs part to take my money and run and the escrow process didn't live up to my expectation. LD's choice of hedging or not shouldn't be honored in the case where he had malicious intent. The customer in this case should be granted all that they can and .52 BTC extra that is out there should be given back where it came from. SR could keep the listing fee for all I care. Live and learn.
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+1 to the two posts above me. I do not feel like SR has the right to keep that extra .52 BTC in the case of a scam like this. It's like they're benefiting from facilitating a scam.
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+1 to the two posts above me. I do not feel like SR has the right to keep that extra .52 BTC in the case of a scam like this. It's like they're benefiting from facilitating a scam.
This is hektik, maybe my last order with lucydrop I will get more than the $1450 I paid cause the BTC rate has gone up 35$ per coin ATM xD Although my transaction was fucked and money held, at least I mite get something for the inconvienience, dreaming.... :D
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+1 to the two posts above me. I do not feel like SR has the right to keep that extra .52 BTC in the case of a scam like this. It's like they're benefiting from facilitating a scam.
I am not even really sweating the .52, it just disturbs me that this could have been ALOT more and that selective scammers can actually use this to their advantage. i.e. if BTC goes up, scam a couple people and only have to provide a partial refund in BTC even though it appears that they provided 100% refund due to the hedge..... I believe the policy needs to be reevaluated for certain situations such as these. Thanks for the +1s!!!!!
blahblah1234
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Alright, after reading this hole topic, here my thoughts.
I have purchased 25 stamps from ld maybe 2 weeks ago, all the reviews were good and he was one of the top sellers on silk road. I've been fucked over i understand i won't get my money back, my problem is i could of avoided this if the silk road admins would've reacted to the situation when it was first brought to their attention...
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Alright, after reading this hole topic, here my thoughts.
I have purchased 25 stamps from ld maybe 2 weeks ago, all the reviews were good and he was one of the top sellers on silk road. I've been fucked over i understand i won't get my money back, my problem is i could of avoided this if the silk road admins would've reacted to the situation when it was first brought to their attention...
The simple fact is SR admins provide a very good service by offering escrow. You essentially waived your right to a resolution or an admin's help by deciding to FE. I am not trying to be mean, I promise. But people need to realize that is what the escrow function is for. I hope this mistake is going to make you reconsider FEing for anyone in the future for an amount you are not comfortable losing.
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+1 to the two posts above me. I do not feel like SR has the right to keep that extra .52 BTC in the case of a scam like this. It's like they're benefiting from facilitating a scam.
I am not even really sweating the .52, it just disturbs me that this could have been ALOT more and that selective scammers can actually use this to their advantage. i.e. if BTC goes up, scam a couple people and only have to provide a partial refund in BTC even though it appears that they provided 100% refund due to the hedge..... I believe the policy needs to be reevaluated for certain situations such as these. Thanks for the +1s!!!!!
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And if BTC goes down? Of course in that case you're ok with SR throwing in the extra BTC required to get you your original dollar amount back? It's my understanding that SR takes the loss when BTC depreciates and they also take the profits when it appreciates. That is just the system in place a service to the buyers/sellers. Evaluating every hedged transaction on the basis of potential scam and mal intent would be absolutely overwhelming. I really don't see a scammer profiting from the hedging system. As a buyer, you just end up feeling screwed over because you didn't receive the appreciated value but at the end of the day, you got back what you put in. Plus, you had already committed to giving up your potential future appreciation in exchange for product in hand when you made your purchase. You signed that contract.
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I bought a 10 strip from LD on 6th February just as all the shit started happening.
FE'd like everyone else and after reading all the negative postings I'd given up hope of them coming. Then low and behold a couple of weeks ago they turned up out the blue.
Why he would choose to fulfill my order and not others I don't know. I'd been following his main thread but didn't post due to not being in the 50 (posts) club so it wasn't as if I'd been vocal and he sent them to shut me up.
Last night I took four. Have had shrooms and truffles about 15-20 times previously but this was my first proper LSD experience so had nothing to directly compare it to.
They certainly worked but I was surprised as a first time user that I was seemingly able to take so many. Had an happy / altered mind state and that wasted / dopey feeling but visual wise only slight sparklies out the corners of my vision.
Whether they were from the infamous weak batch or not I don't know because once again I've got nothing to properly compare it to but it wasn't as near as intense as let's say two 7g sachets of magic truffles for instance.
Feel a bit guilty coming on here and telling people I got mine when others didn't. But if it makes anyone feel better I've got an FE order for a 1oz skunk for $60 from La Fuente that I ordered six weeks ago that's starting to look like its not coming. I'd chosen unsigned for delivery which the vendor stated didn't come with a refund policy so looks like I might have to write that one off. Starting to think twice about FE'ing in future as a result of these two experiences.
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+1 to the two posts above me. I do not feel like SR has the right to keep that extra .52 BTC in the case of a scam like this. It's like they're benefiting from facilitating a scam.
I am not even really sweating the .52, it just disturbs me that this could have been ALOT more and that selective scammers can actually use this to their advantage. i.e. if BTC goes up, scam a couple people and only have to provide a partial refund in BTC even though it appears that they provided 100% refund due to the hedge..... I believe the policy needs to be reevaluated for certain situations such as these. Thanks for the +1s!!!!!
blahblah1234
And if BTC goes down? Of course in that case you're ok with SR throwing in the extra BTC required to get you your original dollar amount back? It's my understanding that SR takes the loss when BTC depreciates and they also take the profits when it appreciates. That is just the system in place a service to the buyers/sellers. Evaluating every hedged transaction on the basis of potential scam and mal intent would be absolutely overwhelming. I really don't see a scammer profiting from the hedging system. As a buyer, you just end up feeling screwed over because you didn't receive the appreciated value but at the end of the day, you got back what you put in. Plus, you had already committed to giving up your potential future appreciation in exchange for product in hand when you made your purchase. You signed that contract.
So you are saying that this .52 BTC that SR is so kindly keeping is a tax that provides vendor's with insurance on their escrowed BTC losing value during a transaction? Didn't know I signed a contract like that.
So if this was a large deal, say 200BTC and the scam took place, that would leave 52 BTC in SRs hands, you think that would be fair also? No transaction took place so it isn't a sales tax, what is it?
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It's an insurance and a fee. I've gotten refunds from last year when BTC went from $30 to $4.50. SR lost a fuckton of money on that, it works both ways and isn't that hard to understand...it said "HEDGED" right next to the transaction, which means if you need a refund for something going wrong (which is exactly what happened, the vendor started scamming) then you get the relative equivalent back.
Don't use SR if you don't agree to their clear terms...or at least don't place orders from vendors who are sketchy and require FE, use hedging, and there was a 1 in 100 chance your order was going through anyway if you had bothered to read the past two months of forums hahah--I wouldn't have touched Lucydrop with a ten foot pole.
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If op had a signed PGP key all it would take is to post the signature (which his partner should not have) and it will verify his identity.
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I want my 1.52 BTC back, not $70 worth of BTC. I don't beleive it fair for anyone, LD or SR, to keep the appreciated value of my bitcoins seeing as they are now worth $105 rather than $70 due to the "hedged" policy on the product listing and the price of BTC significantly larger now than when I placed my order. I certainly hope SR admins see this my way....
blahblah1234
You are buying drugs of the internet, people who work here are taking huge risks, AND you are complaining about "just" getting your the exact amount back you invested in your BC...
I put 1.52 BTC in escrow and got only .98 back. Even though I didn't FE, I still got scammed and someone is profiting off my .54 BTC. SR is a BTC based system, there are no dollars here. I want my BTC back period. And how do you know what I invested in BC? I have been involved in BTC for 2+ years now, before SR even existed, you assume too much.
blahblah1234
Dude it was an unhedged transaction, therefore tied to the dollar value not BTC--to protect people.
What if bitcoin had crashed in value instead of skyrocketed (as it often does). Would you be happy getting back your 1.5BTC if the exchange rate was $5/1 BTC?? I'd guess you'd be bitching about only getting back $7 when you paid a lot more.
That is a negative sir. The hedge system is designed to protect buyers and sellers who have good intentions. In this case the seller had ill intent and SR profited from the scam. I deal in bitcoins, put bitcoins into escrow and expect said bitcoins to be released from escrow, no matter the dollar value. If the dollar value/BTC went down, I would still have the same amount of bitcoins. No product was exchanged, the vendor never had my bitcoins, these bitcoins were never exchanged for dollars. I put 1.52 in a piggy bank and the bank handed me .98 and the bank kept the rest. Think about it, at this rate, how many BTC is SR keeping from this scam? Why would they want to keep them? That's bad PR. If dollars/BTC went down I could understand only getting back 1.52 BTC because that's all that it ever was, no conversion of that currency should have happened while in escrow.
blahblah1234
The "bank" does not keep the difference between the 1.52 you put in and the .98 you get back. If it is hedged once you order those bitcoins are converted to fiat (USD), once you get a refund or those bitcoins are released to your vendor, the same fiat is used to buy bitcoins. There is no missing coins, there is no scam.
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The "bank" does not keep the difference between the 1.52 you put in and the .98 you get back. If it is hedged once you order those bitcoins are converted to fiat (USD), once you get a refund or those bitcoins are released to your vendor, the same fiat is used to buy bitcoins. There is no missing coins, there is no scam.
Thank you. that's actually a pretty good explanation of it in simpler terms.
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Lol ^
Why does that sound like a trap? I hope you're joking... unless imghost9 happens to be trying to sell you some of his valium.. lol
It's painfully obvious he's trying to pump me full of downers so the moment I let my guard down he can have his way with me....Yeah not this guy....not this guy right here....
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The "bank" does not keep the difference between the 1.52 you put in and the .98 you get back. If it is hedged once you order those bitcoins are converted to fiat (USD), once you get a refund or those bitcoins are released to your vendor, the same fiat is used to buy bitcoins. There is no missing coins, there is no scam.
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I doubt that's true, you are saying that there is some automatic exchange process that occurs as soon as I click order on a hedged transaction? And when the order was refunded, the dollars were exchanged for BTC and put back in my account? I think it was all done on paper only. But thinking this through, I would be more comfortable with the following:
Transfer BTC into SR where it immediately gets turned into $ via this same "exchange" process you described. Now I have dollars, not BTC. I buy stuff, escrow holds dollars, if I get a refund, I get dollars back, the same amount that went into escrow minus any fees if applicable. In order to transfer out of SR, I turn my dollars into BTC at the current "exchange" rate and move to another BTC wallet. Now nobody loses anything, neither vendor's, buyers, nor SR. Hedging doesn't need to exist and SR still needs to turn BTC into $ just like they do now.
Now that's if this "exchange" really existed, it doesn't though.
blahblah1234
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It's an insurance and a fee. I've gotten refunds from last year when BTC went from $30 to $4.50. SR lost a fuckton of money on that, it works both ways and isn't that hard to understand...it said "HEDGED" right next to the transaction, which means if you need a refund for something going wrong (which is exactly what happened, the vendor started scamming) then you get the relative equivalent back.
Don't use SR if you don't agree to their clear terms...or at least don't place orders from vendors who are sketchy and require FE, use hedging, and there was a 1 in 100 chance your order was going through anyway if you had bothered to read the past two months of forums hahah--I wouldn't have touched Lucydrop with a ten foot pole.
You are right, I will certainly learn from this experience. In my defense though, LucyDrop was on the Good vendor list on the Avengers thread when I last researched him/her and I "fan"ed them as a vendor then. And the forums were down hard for days when I made my order. The feedback pages were nothing but FE and nothing stated regarding any lost shipments or weak batches at the time, I did check. Too bad not enough people know how to go back and edit their feedback or if finalizing, leaving the feedback option not filled out until they know whats up or I might have had a clue.
blahblah1234
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Alright, after reading this hole topic, here my thoughts.
I have purchased 25 stamps from ld maybe 2 weeks ago, all the reviews were good and he was one of the top sellers on silk road. I've been fucked over i understand i won't get my money back, my problem is i could of avoided this if the silk road admins would've reacted to the situation when it was first brought to their attention...
The simple fact is SR admins provide a very good service by offering escrow. You essentially waived your right to a resolution or an admin's help by deciding to FE. I am not trying to be mean, I promise. But people need to realize that is what the escrow function is for. I hope this mistake is going to make you reconsider FEing for anyone in the future for an amount you are not comfortable losing.
You completely missed my point. I understand what you are saying...
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Don't ever go to jail, kids!
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Will the real Lucydrop please stand up?
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I know this is a small plea amongst this whole clusterfuck,
But I finalized (done it for every order I've made it went fine) before anything was known about this being a scam.
Is there any way of getting my money back or a refund? I mean, considering there isn't really much to "resolve" here, considering we all know it's a scam now.
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I know this is a small plea amongst this whole clusterfuck,
But I finalized (done it for every order I've made it went fine) before anything was known about this being a scam.
Is there any way of getting my money back or a refund? I mean, considering there isn't really much to "resolve" here, considering we all know it's a scam now.
It fucking blows my mind people are STILL asking if they can get a refund after they decided to FINALIZE EARLY thereby WAIVING THEIR RIGHTS to a resolution.
NO YOU CAN'T GET A REFUND.
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I'm not saying this is the case here, but it would be really clever (and an asshole move), for an established trusted vendor to all of a sudden fuck over his customers, require FE and not send out any orders (like that Tony guy last year), pocket the money, then come on here and claim his partner stole the account and is really the one who cheated everyone. then he can re-establish his account under a similar name like "theREALvendor" and win back all of the old customers whom he cheated, and continue to operate without having to start a brand new account. In effect he would have been able to steal a bunch of money from the cheated FE customers, and then continue on without losing his whole customer base. I know it would be a fucked up thing to do, but it just occurred to me. So keep this in mind before trusting a re-incarnated vendor.
But who knows, this might never have happened. And I have no idea who LucyDrop is, so I'm in no way suggesting that this is the case with LD. Just thought I should point out the possibility to everyone to keep in mind.
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I'm just hoping to get 10 decent quality tabs instead of 10 with the power of one... but, all this drama has made me skeptical.
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It doesn't hurt to be optimistic at times, within reason. Unfortunately, the way this whole thing played out is due to either some truly Shakespearean timing or it is/was an elaborate, well-played scam. Either way, LucyDrop or his partner, if the story is true, got away with stealing from a multitude of members here. Do you guys think it's time to lock this thread yet? LucyDrop - the fake or the real - isn't coming back (they've said as much several times).
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very few guys on SR are selling good quality acid in bulk (sheets)
to us Americans!
LD did so make a comeback!
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I AM THE REAL LUCY DROP
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This sure reads like a long scam to me. And another lesson to NEVER FINALIZE EARLY!
Whether this is true or not I'm really sorry to see so many people screwed over wanting some LSD. It's a shame some people can't be satisfied with reasonable profits on a good product without turning into greedy shitsacks.
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Very elaborate 7/10
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cool
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this whole story is bullshit :(
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is it
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It doesn't hurt to be optimistic at times, within reason. Unfortunately, the way this whole thing played out is due to either some truly Shakespearean timing or it is/was an elaborate, well-played scam. Either way, LucyDrop or his partner, if the story is true, got away with stealing from a multitude of members here. Do you guys think it's time to lock this thread yet? LucyDrop - the fake or the real - isn't coming back (they've said as much several times).
Lock it Scout, nothing of value left to say that hasn't been said already.
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I think that this is provocation from LucyDrop. And he wants to get away.
But may be not
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It doesn't hurt to be optimistic at times, within reason. Unfortunately, the way this whole thing played out is due to either some truly Shakespearean timing or it is/was an elaborate, well-played scam. Either way, LucyDrop or his partner, if the story is true, got away with stealing from a multitude of members here. Do you guys think it's time to lock this thread yet? LucyDrop - the fake or the real - isn't coming back (they've said as much several times).
Lock it Scout, nothing of value left to say that hasn't been said already.
But the RealLucyDrop is in touch with DPR! I'm sure he'll sort everything out! Don't you believe his?!
/sarcasm
Yep, I don't see any reason to continue this fucking thread.