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Market => Rumor mill => Topic started by: SamGiancana on March 15, 2013, 08:23 pm
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Here is my whole fucking convo with SR support from bottom to top, they are stealing my money from me based on assumptions of being some past scammers.
How the fuck can they do this to me with no proof at all.
am I the only one that gets the feeling that SR Admins get some sort of incentive for catching "scammers" I.E. Be given the funds their account had or some shit?
Otherwise why the fuck are they going from 1 reason to another to keep my money. So fucked up.
READ FROM BOTTOM TO TOP.
**HERE IS THE THREAD WHERE I OUTED THETEFLONDON AKA (WHO I believe to be CANADIANLTD AND GMEMPHIS) AS A SCAMMER: dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=126706.msg873208#msg873208
SamGiancana How the fuck can I be accused of being these guys?
This is beyond fucked up.
Keeping someones cash based on ASSUMPTIONS of me being past scammers is not a proper thing to do. If we are supposedly "anonymous" how the fuck can you say I am these guys?
I HAVE DONE NO SCAMMING - I DONT DESERVE TO LOSE MY COINS.
So what do you do with this money then? Give it to the people that got scammed from those 2 guys? What the fuck does "repair damages" mean?
I am NOT these guys, I have had AMPLE OPPERTUNITY to scam if I was going to.
Why the fuck are you stealing my money?
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Vendor Support I have talked to DPR and verified my decision. We are confiscating the funds in your wallet to repair the damage done by your GMemphis and CanadianLTD accounts. 15 minutes read
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SamGiancana Im not just guessing that he is gmemphis or that canadian guy, he has had me give him cash for bitcoins in the past to run transactions through his accounts before i could pick them up from him locally, instead of doing cash deals so he got feedback. 3 hours unread
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SamGiancana How could you possibly trace the money when nothing used has been mine. Have you followed my story on here at all?
"Theteflondon" is a guy that I had been doing business with locally, he was my cocaine supplier. I would never meet him face to face but only his guy, and through texting.
He put me on to the idea that I should get on SR, so I gave him 500 bucks and he sent the coins to purchase this account. Just two weeks ago I went to do another coke deal with him, where he said he could take my bitcoins for me and turn it in to cash since i was clueless how to do this (hence the western union post on the forums, and hence me sending $7775.00) worth of coins to his address. I STILL have the messages on my buyer account "omarion2" where I sent the coins to that address and he scammed them. That same day he told me to give him 500 gram of my methylone and he would get me cash for it shortly after. I believed him and went and gave the guy the methylone.
After this happened and I realised he scammed me, I made a post about it on the forums and outed him as a scammer before he could get to anyone else, lots of people decided not to listen clearly, but many other members agreed, and clearly I was right considering his account is not gone. I pulled my listings down because I wasn't able to supply anyone anymore. *(This is also why I got 2 - 3 complains on my last 2 - 3 coke orders and refunded them - he gave me bunk coke on my last pickup)
I have no idea how ANY money could be followed to my own personal accounts. The money itself CAME from theteflondon for this account if this is even what you mean by tracing the money. I am an honest person here and have been straight up from day one.
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Vendor Support I came to that conclusion by following the money. I know that others are accusing TheTeflonDon of being them, but I believe they are mistaken. They are just working off of hunches, I on the other hand have concrete evidence that is very damning. I am 99% positive that you are GMemphis, and that is more than enough to ban you and confiscate your funds. I appreciate you being respectful but I am not going to reinstate your account. 12 hours read
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SamGiancana I found out about the pin,
can you please give me another chance? I clearly have no urge to break any rules or any intentions to scam, I have pulled my listings when I got my stuff stolen / bitcoins stolen, I have refunded money since having my account taken from me, I have sent out pending orders even after being frozen,
I am trying to be a legit great seller here honestly, and people on this thread think i deserve another chance,
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=131169.30
I cant even begin to tell you how many people are relying on me for the meth I am able to provide, clean and pure stuff they cant get their hands on.
Please give me a shot. 18 hours read
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SamGiancana You are 100 % incorrect, and I don't know how you would even come to that conclusion.
Fredflinstoned and many others on the forum has even agreed that that person is theteflondon, who has also scammed me out of a shitload of coins that I reported after it happened to SR Support. I still have all the messages between us on my buyer account.
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Since replies are taking 15 hours could you PLEASE respond about the Incorrect Pin, and what I need to do here?
Thanks.
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Vendor Support We have done an investigation and determined that you are the same person who owned the previously banned accounts: GMemphis and CanadianLTD
And we only know that because our records only go back 3 months, I would be willing to bet that you have owned many more accounts then those two but I can't prove that. 1 day read
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SamGiancana http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=131169.15
If you read that thread, especially the quote on page 2 where another vendor was given a second chance for this exact thing, why am I being destroyed for it?
I understand now, is it so much to give an honest vendor another chance? 1 day read
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SamGiancana Since replies are very slow, if I need to re-set it please do let me know what I have to do.
Thanks. 1 day read
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SamGiancana Well on a side note, I'm trying to move my coins off the site, and I keep getting incorrect pin, 2 attempts left and I'd really not like to get locked out with my coins here,
how come I am getting incorrect pin when I am entering the correct pin. Does it have to do with this suspension?
Let me know, thanks. 1 day read
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SamGiancana What are you talking about with all my accounts? You are clearly assuming I am someone else, I have never been suspended or had other accounts suspended.
With that many transactions and money between me and others I am just banned without a warning from one wrong incorrect transaction?
I didn't understand that I needed to send them bitcoins and then have them use the coins, but it makes plenty sense now.
Wouldnt you say this is a little harsh to a vendor who has received nothing but praise from 97% of people I do business with?
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Vendor Support I highly doubt that scout would tell you something like that when they aren't really an authority on the subject. In fact, I would be willing to bet that if scout did say something like that to you, then the context was probably in reference to selling bitcoins here. Obviously if your here as a bitcoin exchanger, you can't sell bitcoins for bitcoins, so that is the only time one can get away with accepting other forms of payment.
With all the accounts of yours that we have suspended in the past, I don't believe that you don't know the rules by now. Sorry but your not getting this account back. 1 day read
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SamGiancana I will never do it again, like I said I even checked on the forums first, and got a yes that I am aloud to. I know now I can not.
I have a 97% rating with over 55 orders, lots of people rely on me for the best meth source on SR, can you please give me another shot, I can show you the messages between me and the forum admin "scout" asking about this very topic.
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charabros stole my money can Sr give us it back ?
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edar, did you FE with charabros? if so, then no, you won't be getting a refund. i've explained several times that out of escrow transactions - including finalizing early - are not supported. when you agree to finalize early, you are making the decision to deal outside of the escrow system which is in place for your protection.
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the escrow system which is in place for your protection.... but is not implemented or compulsory as a rule on Sr ?
yes I did cos he said he wouldnt send anything >:( like I said on the other thread I reported it ! then I reported it again mate & so have countless others
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kinda off topic but on point here
If i FE, I have no support from SR.. this is obvious by FEing I am acknowledging the risk I am taking. similar to giving a drug dealer money while he goes picks up the drugs and brings them to me. No one would trust him to do that, and this is the equivalent.
However if the auction AUTO-Finalizes then How protected am I? say he scammed and never sent package and it AutoFinalizes and my btc are gone. Do i only get my btc back if SR can recover my btc in this case from Sam(i have never been scammed using examples) or would I get it back regardless of what SR was able to recover? Provided I had some reliable proof I was scammed.
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kinda off topic but on point here
If i FE, I have no support from SR.. this is obvious by FEing I am acknowledging the risk I am taking. similar to giving a drug dealer money while he goes picks up the drugs and brings them to me. No one would trust him to do that, and this is the equivalent.
However if the auction AUTO-Finalizes then How protected am I? say he scammed and never sent package and it AutoFinalizes and my btc are gone. Do i only get my btc back if SR can recover my btc in this case from Sam(i have never been scammed using examples) or would I get it back regardless of what SR was able to recover? Provided I had some reliable proof I was scammed.
good question mate and lets get this crystal clear F.E which is supposed to be there to protect the buyer isnt compulsory or implemented as a rule on silkroad ?
but fake feedback is ?
Is that some kind of joke ? why is F.E allowed if its supposed to protect the buyer and why doesnt Sr implement it & make it compulsory give it some teeth as its just a word or a con sale if it aint backed up by sr
why bother mentioning it ? Is it to give us the impression its a rule ? ... im confused
can someone from SR explain
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edar, did you FE with charabros? if so, then no, you won't be getting a refund. i've explained several times that out of escrow transactions - including finalizing early - are not supported. when you agree to finalize early, you are making the decision to deal outside of the escrow system which is in place for your protection.
Isn't Giancana Gmemphis/Montreal John Faggot/whatever? Why not just drop the ban hammer on him so he will quit spamming?
Because im fucking not.
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im not sam ;) im only asking for clarification before I commit $500 bucks im not spamming
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Sam, from your messages, it is clear that you were involved not only in out of escrow trading, but feedback manipulation as well using your buyer account. After reading those messages you posted, I am convinced that inigo and the staff made the right decision, 100%. Not to mention your strange connections to TeflonDon / CanadianLTD / mtlJohn.
This banning of your vendor account is absolutely justified.
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Sam, from your messages, it is clear that you were involved not only in out of escrow trading, but feedback manipulation as well using your buyer account. After reading those messages you posted, I am convinced that inigo and the staff made the right decision, 100%. Not to mention your strange connections to TeflonDon / CanadianLTD / mtlJohn.
This banning of your vendor account is absolutely justified.
selective scamming like charas ok then
fair enough .. what about this is this justified
greenfields
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=132699.0
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This banning of your vendor account is absolutely justified.
Not commenting wether this is justified or not as I dont have the details but...There seemed to be no problem suspending their account pending investigation and then deleteing and confiscating their bitcoins...
But why has Lucydrop been allowed to scam for 10's if not hundreds of thousands of dollars with nothing at all happening to them??
Why dont you and didnt you at least demand they stop FE'ing...and suspend their account if they wouldnt??
Hundreds of peeple have received nothing or bunk stuff...dont you guys have any pride in SR??
You say its buyer beware and its up to customers to do due dilligence...when you could have put a stop to it a month ago buy NOT letting Lucydrop accept FE...
After all isnt FE a "Privelige" given to vendors with a proven track record??(35 plus sales)...If that privielige is abused as Lucydrop has to the extreme over the past month should not it at the very least be taken away at least untill they can once again prove they are worthy of it as an honest vendor...
Personaly IMHO their account should be suspended till ALL outstanding orders including promised reships arrive...
Why are they still allowed to have an account and why on earth are they still allowed to have people FE??
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futura, you guys need to get in touch with SR Support and Vendor Support -- they are the only people who can looking into these matters and take action. I wish I could do more in these cases, but only SR and Vendor Support have the ability to investigate and make these decisions.
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futura, you guys need to get in touch with SR Support and Vendor Support -- they are the only people who can looking into these matters and take action. I wish I could do more in these cases, but only SR and Vendor Support have the ability to investigate and make these decisions.
Are all of you using the "Report this vendor" link on LD's vendor profile?
Seriously??? This has been all over the forum and all over the "Clearnet" for like over a month now!!!!!
I am sure SR staff is well aware of whats been going dont you think??
And from the posts I have seen when anyone complains to them its basicaly...
"You fucked up dude..we told you to never FE so its your problem not ours if you did"!!
Thats no way to run a business...not even an underground one!!!
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There's no reason to have an attitude toward me - I'm trying to help understand what's going on because I feel like if LD were a scammer, SR Staff would have banned them already. So I'm trying to understand and I'm trying to have a civilized conversation with you so I know what, if anything, I can do to help. If all you want is to start a fight with me, then I've had enough of that for one day and won't be sucked into another one.
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For what it's worth. .....I've had dealings with Sam.
I'm a relative newbie and FE'ed as he seemed to have had a bad run of late.
I received what I'd ordered packaged as per my requirements. ....the Meth was outstanding......the Cola...well, dodgy as....but he agreed upfront and we're working on a suitable solution.
He could of scammed me etc....but, in my dealings with him, he's been honest and true to his word.