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Market => Rumor mill => Topic started by: SamGiancana on March 13, 2013, 09:27 pm
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I got my account suspended for accepting western union as payment for 1 transaction out of 60+.
I made a post about this exact thing asking scout and some other members how it works. Instead of sending the bitcoins to them and them using the coins to purchase it I just sent the package off and gave them tracking because of how rushed they kept telling me they need it by.
I totally wasn't thinking about SR getting their cut, nor was I worried about the small cut and trying to save a dime.
I made 1 mistake, with a 98% 5/5 precentile in 60 orders and my account is gone for good,
I explained to them I was new to the WU process and understand now it is to be used for coins only, yet they told me I can not have my account back.
Most of you will tell me to get fucked, but for someone who goes out of their way to help the community, make posts to alert members of vendors scamming, pulls his listings when he gets jacked to having no product / money instead of scamming everyone, you think they'd forgive me for an honest error.
I don't know seems a little harsh.
UPDATE: PAGE 3 TO READ ABOUT HOW THEY STOLE MY BITCOINS
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As a vendor, how could you not know that making deals on SR, and accepting payment outside SR, is against the rules?
If you knew, that is not a 'mistake'. It is a deliberate violation of the rules. If you didn't know, then it means you did not read the seller's guide, which in turn means that you shouldn't be a vendor.
Sorry Sam, you come with too much drama.
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I wouldn't risk my account to save whatever the couple percent of the fee is intentionally, It was an honest mistake, a sense of ok im paid I need to send product now, and the way he kept saying "I NEED THIS OUT BY TOMORROW" bla bla bla I felt so rushed,
still though, would a warning not suffice? No second chances at all for 1 transaction? They can take the coins I owe them for that transaction, bottom line is I wasn't intentionally trying to scam the system like that.
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that snitch bitch wannabe MTLJohn ( teflondon ) probably set ya up when you outed his scamming ass
he did that to mrouid too when his lame ditch weed couldnt hold up
that dudes not even a man, just a little rat nobody
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that snitch bitch wannabe MTLJohn ( teflondon ) probably set ya up when you outed his scamming ass
he did that to mrouid too when his lame ditch weed couldnt hold up
that dudes not even a man, just a little rat nobody
Indeed....
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In my local casino they have a rule, no pissing under the blackjack table. They even have little signs around the tables telling you not to do it. They don't care if you really need to piss, they don't care that you may lose your place at the table, If you piss at the blackjack table you get kicked out.
You just pissed under the blackjack table my friend.
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In my local casino they have a rule, no pissing under the blackjack table. They even have little signs around the tables telling you not to do it. They don't care if you really need to piss, they don't care that you may lose your place at the table, If you piss at the blackjack table you get kicked out.
You just pissed under the blackjack table my friend.
Something tells me that if the owners of the casino made thousands off the guy that pissed under the blackjack table hed be given another chance, and I'd say pissing under the black jack table is a lot more serious of an offence than accidently not running 1 transaction through their system.
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I got my account suspended for accepting western union as payment for 1 transaction out of 60+.
I made a post about this exact thing asking scout and some other members how it works.
CORRECTION: You did NOT ask me if you could accept Western Union payments for your products. You asked if it was okay to offer to sell your bitcoins for Western Union (or vice versa) - to which I answered that yes, that was fine. You presented it as a case of trading WU for coins or coins for WU - which is fine - you NEVER ONCE mentioned that you were referring to accepting Western Union payments for your actual products. When you started that thread, you asked about using it for bitcoins. You should have known - and I feel like you had to have - that accepting payment in any form other than bitcoin is against the rules. It circumvents the escrow system which is put in place to protect buyers and sellers.
It has nothing to do with SR not receiving their cut - it is simply against the rules. Just like how another vendor was banned due to asking for payment via bank transfer.
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I got my account suspended for accepting western union as payment for 1 transaction out of 60+.
I made a post about this exact thing asking scout and some other members how it works.
CORRECTION: You did NOT ask me if you could accept Western Union payments for your products. You asked if it was okay to offer to sell your bitcoins for Western Union (or vice versa) - to which I answered that yes, that was fine. You presented it as a case of trading WU for coins or coins for WU - which is fine - you NEVER ONCE mentioned that you were referring to accepting Western Union payments for your actual products. When you started that thread, you asked about using it for bitcoins. You should have known - and I feel like you had to have - that accepting payment in any form other than bitcoin is against the rules. It circumvents the escrow system which is put in place to protect buyers and sellers.
It has nothing to do with SR not receiving their cut - it is simply against the rules. Just like how another vendor was banned due to asking for payment via bank transfer.
I understand that I'm just saying I had the right intentions here I just got ahead of myself trying to fulfill more for the customer, customer service wise than following the code. You've got to understand why me sending him bitcoins for the cash then him sending them right back to me felt a little redundant, a simple mistake, I'd like your opinion if you believe I deserve a permanent ban, keeping in mind I have outed scammers, done 60+ transactions with a 97 percent of approval, etc etc, does it not seem a little over the top to not get another chance?
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Its kind of hard, and an honest vendor is always nice, but i get why the rules are as they are, not only so the sr staff can make a bit of money but also protecting all of us against LE.
I feel for you, but think of it this way, it could be much much worse then having to pay the 500 and start over, if you build it up once you can do it again :)
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Sorry bro, there's not many rules around here but that's one of them, kinda the big one actually. I do however think that one and done is a pretty harsh stance. A warning/penalty would suffice for the first offense, after that I'd think a ban is due.
And Sam, for the last few weeks I've only seen you around here always with some big ordeal. Like someone earlier said, you come with a lot of drama. I like to think that people who are constantly in trouble are never the innocent victim. Now I'm not saying you are making shit up or exaggerating things. What I am saying is that maybe it's time to step back and re-evaluate you, your business plan, your surroundings, your everything. A string of bad luck like that is hard to stumble on unless it was preceded by a string of poor decisions. Stay safe bro and good luck.
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I think the problem is, if you break the rules that way and then they give you another chance, that sets a precedent where then other people demand second chances and misuse those chances to scam people or do worse.
If this was truly an honest mistake, then I'm sorry this happened, but you can always come back and start over -- just be sure you're clear on the rules and don't make special exceptions for anyone no matter how much of a rush they are in!
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Sorry bro, there's not many rules around here but that's one of them, kinda the big one actually. I do however think that one and done is a pretty harsh stance. A warning/penalty would suffice for the first offense, after that I'd think a ban is due.
And Sam, for the last few weeks I've only seen you around here always with some big ordeal. Like someone earlier said, you come with a lot of drama. I like to think that people who are constantly in trouble are never the innocent victim. Now I'm not saying you are making shit up or exaggerating things. What I am saying is that maybe it's time to step back and re-evaluate you, your business plan, your surroundings, your everything. A string of bad luck like that is hard to stumble on unless it was preceded by a string of poor decisions. Stay safe bro and good luck.
No doubt, I've had more drama these last couple weeks than I have a whole lifetime.
Crazy times whatever.
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It has nothing to do with SR not receiving their cut - it is simply against the rules. Just like how another vendor was banned due to asking for payment via bank transfer.
I think this is more to the point. I believe that the rule is in place just as much of a safety precaution for both buyer and vendor as it is to ensure SR receives their funds. Buying BTC with MG, WU, or Moneypaks (or vice versa) is not illegal in any place in the world that I know of, but all illegal transactions must be completed with BTC to maintain anonymity which is the key factor of Silk Road (you know, the anonymous marketplace).
I do find a permanent ban to be a little harsh if this is in fact your first time ever doing this, but how would I (SR staff) truly know that this was your first and only time? Rules are rules and are in a place for a reason, even in a place like silk road there are consequences when they are broken. If you will break this rule, what is to say that you have not (or will not) break other rules?
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Sam you should write a book. You cant make this shit up.
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It was my first time. If I break another rule, ban me, but I think everyone deserves one chance if it isn't too serious.
Sam you should write a book. You cant make this shit up.
Lol, at this point there is just a fucking force telling me to stop this shit, to get banned the day after this transaction and lose my money and my product its like could I have anymore signs in my face to stop this?
I tried to get over each one but another fucking hurdle nonstop rofl.
Who knows, I guess you win SR, I truly feel bad for the people though who are asking me on a weekly basis when I can get my listings back up because it was the cleanest meth they can get their hands on.
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It was my first time. If I break another rule, ban me, but I think everyone deserves one chance if it isn't too serious.
If it isn't wasn't too serious, you would not have been banned. Here is the problem - it was very serious. You are putting yourself and your customers in danger. SR only has a few rules. This is one of them. Follow the rules or GTFO.
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Compared to that fuckhead Arnold, this is pretty tame..
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I think the problem is, if you break the rules that way and then they give you another chance, that sets a precedent where then other people demand second chances and misuse those chances to scam people or do worse.
If this was truly an honest mistake, then I'm sorry this happened, but you can always come back and start over -- just be sure you're clear on the rules and don't make special exceptions for anyone no matter how much of a rush they are in!
I saved this quote for a reason. The rules don't seem to be applied evenly, or maybe thats just my opinion.
I'm not buying antibody's excuses they know it's wrong and disrespectful. All you need to do is read the norcal420 thread to get hints of side deals.
Damn. NorCal check your inbox(SR).
I wronged no one. The nature of my dispute with SR is about me taking my bulk business off road. I was selling weed long before I came to SR, and in no way agreed to only sell on SR when I signed up. Now SR is demanding that I pay them for my business conducted off of Silk Road, see message I received below:
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"Norcal,
We have investigated your account have found that you have done many out of escrow deals, meaning you take the coind directly to by pass SR fees.
We'd like to give you a second chance to get your account back in good standing. This will be your last warning. If you disregard the Seller's Guide again, your vending priviledges will be lost permanently.
To bring your account back into good standing, you must pay for the commissions you should have paid on all of your out of escrow transactions to date.
It is your responsibility to determine how much this comes to. If you low-ball it, we will investigate and permanently demote your account. If anything you should include a little extra as an apology and show of good will.
Send this money to "SR Quality Control" via your account page. Message me when this is done. you should figure out what you have done the entire time here on the road, thats what other vendors have been doing. Its always better to add extra for saying your sorry than to try to pay as little as you can.
Let me know when you have done this, so I can investigate and ill reinstate our account once im satisfied you have done your best.
~vendor Support
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I never made listings asking buyers to pay out of escrow, however if a buyer wants to buy out of escrow I am under no obligation to decline. The seller's guide says nothing about having to refuse off road or banning off road transactions. If I have built a relationship with a buyer, and that buyer wants to do business off road, that's between me and my customer. Silk Road has no right to demand payment for activity's it was not involved in. Not to mention all the business i lost during the weeks of the site being down last time, also not being able to access funds during that time cost me money too. But I am not demanding SR pay me for loss of revenue, I just want to do business in way that both myself & my customers are comfortable with.
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I think the problem is, if you break the rules that way and then they give you another chance, that sets a precedent where then other people demand second chances and misuse those chances to scam people or do worse.
If this was truly an honest mistake, then I'm sorry this happened, but you can always come back and start over -- just be sure you're clear on the rules and don't make special exceptions for anyone no matter how much of a rush they are in!
I saved this quote for a reason. The rules don't seem to be applied evenly, or maybe thats just my opinion.
I'm not buying antibody's excuses they know it's wrong and disrespectful. All you need to do is read the norcal420 thread to get hints of side deals.
Damn. NorCal check your inbox(SR).
I wronged no one. The nature of my dispute with SR is about me taking my bulk business off road. I was selling weed long before I came to SR, and in no way agreed to only sell on SR when I signed up. Now SR is demanding that I pay them for my business conducted off of Silk Road, see message I received below:
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"Norcal,
We have investigated your account have found that you have done many out of escrow deals, meaning you take the coind directly to by pass SR fees.
We'd like to give you a second chance to get your account back in good standing. This will be your last warning. If you disregard the Seller's Guide again, your vending priviledges will be lost permanently.
To bring your account back into good standing, you must pay for the commissions you should have paid on all of your out of escrow transactions to date.
It is your responsibility to determine how much this comes to. If you low-ball it, we will investigate and permanently demote your account. If anything you should include a little extra as an apology and show of good will.
Send this money to "SR Quality Control" via your account page. Message me when this is done. you should figure out what you have done the entire time here on the road, thats what other vendors have been doing. Its always better to add extra for saying your sorry than to try to pay as little as you can.
Let me know when you have done this, so I can investigate and ill reinstate our account once im satisfied you have done your best.
~vendor Support
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I never made listings asking buyers to pay out of escrow, however if a buyer wants to buy out of escrow I am under no obligation to decline. The seller's guide says nothing about having to refuse off road or banning off road transactions. If I have built a relationship with a buyer, and that buyer wants to do business off road, that's between me and my customer. Silk Road has no right to demand payment for activity's it was not involved in. Not to mention all the business i lost during the weeks of the site being down last time, also not being able to access funds during that time cost me money too. But I am not demanding SR pay me for loss of revenue, I just want to do business in way that both myself & my customers are comfortable with.
Lol, honestly I'm just being followed around by a black plague when it comes to this drug shit.
Yes I did this on my own and the rules are in place, but had I known its "follow these rules and dont fuck up on any details or your gone instantly" I would have been a lot more careful.
I thought they would especially give me another chance given my good feedback and amounts of transactions, and proof of honesty and dignity when running out of product / money completely and not willing to scam any of you guys on here to get back on my feet (which is what almost every vendor ends up doing, or so it seems)
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It circumvents the escrow system which is put in place to protect buyers and sellers.
It has nothing to do with SR not receiving their cut - it is simply against the rules.
Just like requesting FE....
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Ouch! Sorry to hear about that.
Maybe for this one instance, make Sam put up another $500 bond but get to keep his account? I see the redundancy of giving a custy the run-around... But it is the rule.
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Ouch! Sorry to hear about that.
Maybe for this one instance, make Sam put up another $500 bond but get to keep his account? I see the redundancy of giving a custy the run-around... But it is the rule.
I'd be game... Expensive mistake but yeah..
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I think SR staff do the best of a good job. In fact, try to pacify drug traders and users in real life! Its AK47 time!
Not sure of this traders mistakes - but asking FE is a no no unless you made so many sales.
Safety of customers is the main rule of rules here.
Also, the few times I've gone into resolution, SR have made things better.
Hope the vendor maybe gets another chance if the product was in demand - not a fan of ice myself but each to their own.
Red.
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I am not trying to stir this back up and hope someone can at least answer what may be a rookie question but here goes. Is there any penalties for the other party contributing to this rule breaking act? Does the sole responsibility lay on the vendor? I would imagine that each case is looked at for the facts that surround it, or is it as simple as this, vendors are held at a higher standard than buyers and are penalized solely for the act that takes two parties to complete? Please do not take this as a smart ass or think that I have a vested interest in any of these particulars. I just want to be sure if a vendor were to offer this way of business, outside of the road, that my choices are simple and none. Thank you for your help with this, DS
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I think the problem is, if you break the rules that way and then they give you another chance, that sets a precedent where then other people demand second chances and misuse those chances to scam people or do worse.
If this was truly an honest mistake, then I'm sorry this happened, but you can always come back and start over -- just be sure you're clear on the rules and don't make special exceptions for anyone no matter how much of a rush they are in!
He has got a very valid point here Sam, Even if it was a mistake it was still against the rules that are put here to protect us all an make sure none of us get scammed out of money etc, Its unfortunate that it was only a mistake on you're part but as he says rules are rules and if he un-ban's you he has to un-ban everyone else
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I think the problem is, if you break the rules that way and then they give you another chance, that sets a precedent where then other people demand second chances and misuse those chances to scam people or do worse.
If this was truly an honest mistake, then I'm sorry this happened, but you can always come back and start over -- just be sure you're clear on the rules and don't make special exceptions for anyone no matter how much of a rush they are in!
He has got a very valid point here Sam, Even if it was a mistake it was still against the rules that are put here to protect us all an make sure none of us get scammed out of money etc, Its unfortunate that it was only a mistake on you're part but as he says rules are rules and if he un-ban's you he has to un-ban everyone else
I understand that, we had already built trust through prior transactions and I mean, if he is ok with taking a risk of sending cash then that is something he has already thought through knowing the risks on his own end,
basically it was just, forgetting to send him the coins, to then send the coins back. It felt redundant in my own head at the time, because if he has already trusted me with the cash ahead of time, what kind of safety net escrow system afterwords?
Like I said, honest mistake, but one punishable of not getting back my account of so many transactions / built up trust between members seems a little harsh for a first offense.
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I think the problem is, if you break the rules that way and then they give you another chance, that sets a precedent where then other people demand second chances and misuse those chances to scam people or do worse.
If this was truly an honest mistake, then I'm sorry this happened, but you can always come back and start over -- just be sure you're clear on the rules and don't make special exceptions for anyone no matter how much of a rush they are in!
As someone mentioned earlier, Finalizing early is against the rules, now would you kindly go and permaban the hundreds of accounts that mention requiring finalizing early on there vendor profile?
Seems like some selective banning going on here, during my time on SR i have witnessed much worse cases of sales done outside of SR while being discussed openly on these forums, and yet Sam who seems like a decent person who was not trying to pull the wool over someones eyes gets an example made out of him? Well that shit dont sit well.
My 2cents
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As someone mentioned earlier, Finalizing early is against the rules, now would you kindly go and permaban the hundreds of accounts that mention requiring finalizing early on there vendor profile?
Seems like some selective banning going on here, during my time on SR i have witnessed much worse cases of sales done outside of SR while being discussed openly on these forums, and yet Sam who seems like a decent person who was not trying to pull the wool over someones eyes gets an example made out of him? Well that shit dont sit well.
My 2cents
To be clear, ODB, we are not part of SR staff - we had nothing to do with this decision. My posts here regarding it are simply conjecture about why he was banned. Maybe there was more to the story - I don't know. Also, I don't think the staff was trying to make an example out of him or else they would have posted about it on the forums.
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yip I dont see much support from Sr support , who are they actually supporting , Look at the folk on here that are scamming and continue to do so eddy420 for one charabros for another
so it seems one rule for one and another for the rest of us , I dont know how many times I have reported them or other vendors who deman F.E , why is this ok ???
tell me its not coz Sr get the money / cut
It is a bit harsh sam even if they had a one strike policy that would be Sr support its in the word Sr support & were are they Sr support when you wanna report someone like charabros or eddy420 superthrips etc etc etc
Seems they dont give a shit about any support.
Dont F.E ever
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edar, if you have a complaint, you are free to contact the admins to let them know. otherwise, i believe SR Support does the best that they can in each situation.
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edar, if you have a complaint, you are free to contact the admins to let them know. otherwise, i believe SR Support does the best that they can in each situation.
Hope so scout but it Doesnt feel like it sometimes mate ...
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This was the first time I have banned a vendor for OOE without giving them a second chance, so I can understand why it seems unfair and harsh, but I can assure you all that there is much more to the story then that. I have enough concrete evidence to believe beyond a reasonable doubt that the SamGiancana account is owned by the same person who has owned multiple accounts that have been previously banned for scamming dozens if not hundreds of users, and who made off with a lot of people's money. We did what we did in order to deliver long over-due justice.
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This was the first time I have banned a vendor for OOE without giving them a second chance, so I can understand why it seems unfair and harsh, but I can assure you all that there is much more to the story then that. I have enough concrete evidence to believe beyond a reasonable doubt that the SamGiancana account is owned by the same person who has owned multiple accounts that have been previously banned for scamming dozens if not hundreds of users, and who made off with a lot of people's money. We did what we did in order to deliver long over-due justice.
Thanks for drawing a line under this issue inigo.
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This was the first time I have banned a vendor for OOE without giving them a second chance, so I can understand why it seems unfair and harsh, but I can assure you all that there is much more to the story then that. I have enough concrete evidence to believe beyond a reasonable doubt that the SamGiancana account is owned by the same person who has owned multiple accounts that have been previously banned for scamming dozens if not hundreds of users, and who made off with a lot of people's money. We did what we did in order to deliver long over-due justice.
what a load of shite & you know it , second chance I know of someone who asked / wanted another chance & was told no chance
can I just ask how many folk need to loose money to superthrips charabros and a host of other vendors whos stuff doesnt arrive but force F.e before Sr take action 100 - 200 ?
I now of one vendor you didnt even bother helping just wanting him to make another account i.e more money yet I have reported eddy420 charabros and other these vendors on numerous occasions and yet they still are allowed to sell on Sr , Why is this could it be the fee,s ??
So again how many people need to loose money before Sr support takes action 100 - 150 ?
why these vendors still on Sr ?
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I wouldn't risk my account to save whatever the couple percent of the fee is intentionally, It was an honest mistake, a sense of ok im paid I need to send product now, and the way he kept saying "I NEED THIS OUT BY TOMORROW" bla bla bla I felt so rushed,
still though, would a warning not suffice? No second chances at all for 1 transaction? They can take the coins I owe them for that transaction, bottom line is I wasn't intentionally trying to scam the system like that.
Only cops say shit like "I NEED THIS OUT BY TOMORROW". If you sent it for him on a known date, you're probably on your way to being busted already.
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supertrips is too big to fail.
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supertrips is too big to fail.
Makes you wonder doesnt it ..& still it goes on .. can someone please explain to me how he is still able to sell on Sr , cant just be the fee,s surely
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meh just make a new account.....if the scammers can do it so can you....fuck id much rather you do it then them.
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This was the first time I have banned a vendor for OOE without giving them a second chance, so I can understand why it seems unfair and harsh, but I can assure you all that there is much more to the story then that. I have enough concrete evidence to believe beyond a reasonable doubt that the SamGiancana account is owned by the same person who has owned multiple accounts that have been previously banned for scamming dozens if not hundreds of users, and who made off with a lot of people's money. We did what we did in order to deliver long over-due justice.
I replied to you on this via the support link on the site,
this 100 % incorrect, I have had ample oppertunity to scam if I was a scammer and instead pulled my listings down when I got jacked for my product.
I'm not sure what beyond reasonable doubt is to you, but you should look in to it a little more please.
Not only this, they froze my 127 bitcoins so that I can not even withdraw them - is THIS NOT A BIT OVERBOARD for someone who has not SCAMMED or done ANYTHING on his account?
Holy fuck I wasn't gonna flip about the account ban because after all there are rules and I broke one, but to not let me withdraw my HARD EARNED MONEY, is that not a bit far?
"We have confiscated your funds" ARE YOU KIDDING ME?
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meh just make a new account.....if the scammers can do it so can you....fuck id much rather you do it then them.
Yeh & sr gets paid again .. in some other thread they say they knew he was a long term scammer that ripped thousands of dollars from silkroad buyers but still let him buy more accounts & do it again and again & long time scammers keep their accounts wtf
mate im too honest
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This was the first time I have banned a vendor for OOE without giving them a second chance, so I can understand why it seems unfair and harsh, but I can assure you all that there is much more to the story then that. I have enough concrete evidence to believe beyond a reasonable doubt that the SamGiancana account is owned by the same person who has owned multiple accounts that have been previously banned for scamming dozens if not hundreds of users, and who made off with a lot of people's money. We did what we did in order to deliver long over-due justice.
I replied to you on this via the support link on the site,
this 100 % incorrect, I have had ample oppertunity to scam if I was a scammer and instead pulled my listings down when I got jacked for my product.
I'm not sure what beyond reasonable doubt is to you, but you should look in to it a little more please.
Not only this, they froze my 127 bitcoins so that I can not even withdraw them - is THIS NOT A BIT OVERBOARD for someone who has not SCAMMED or done ANYTHING on his account?
Holy fuck I wasn't gonna flip about the account ban because after all there are rules and I broke one, but to not let me withdraw my HARD EARNED MONEY, is that not a bit far?
"We have confiscated your funds" ARE YOU KIDDING ME?
Yeh mate they could at least tell the truth & be honest with us all on sr ... who they protecting and why
seems other are allowed too do what they want , they try the old shake down buddy of buy another account (so if you were a scammer thats ok with them then as long as you buy another account ? ) shocking
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=132651.0
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I have a real life with real bills believe it or not, and am relying on these coins to pay my rent and get back on my feet,
are you guys seriously holding my bitcoins from me?
They changed my pin, and I tried till I was out of attempts, ignored my message after reading it about asking why my pin wasnt working,
and now replied with "we are confiscating your funds"
What the fuck is going on here, I thought Silk Road treated this like a business not like a communist regime.
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omg "We have confiscated your funds" ARE YOU KIDDING ME?
DID they do this to weirdscience phd charabros superthrips frankewhite etc ? Sr ?
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Tell the truth and be honest with you? I'm pretty sure inigo did exactly that. He posted honestly about why they made the decision to ban SamGiancana's vendor account. Furthermore, I received several messages last night stating that SamGiancana was continuing to try to sell via messages, which is also clearly against the rules. :\
Also, for these accusations about SR "knowing" someone is a scammer and "letting them buy new accounts again and again" -- that's impossible. There is no way to prove someone is a scammer until they have scammed people ... and even then, it's not always possible to know if they had previously had an account under a different name. There's no way SR would allow a known scammer to create more accounts to scam people. If SR knew someone was a scammer, they would ban them.
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with the ban, fair or not, the seller should be able to get out his coins of the SR account. it was money made by the rules of SR
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new world order i guess...btw that is FUCKED UP! i meen FUCKED UP! also though im sorry but it was VERY foolish to have that many coin on SR. they should have been going off site anyways....i never keep a coin in my wallet for more than an hour...this site is way to high risk to keep any money on...
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yip & does this mean you froze eddy420s ..............yes nice one refunds for all folks
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I have a real life with real bills believe it or not, and am relying on these coins to pay my rent and get back on my feet,
are you guys seriously holding my bitcoins from me?
They changed my pin, and I tried till I was out of attempts, ignored my message after reading it about asking why my pin wasnt working,
and now replied with "we are confiscating your funds"
What the fuck is going on here, I thought Silk Road treated this like a business not like a communist regime.
This is how SR handles it when someone's account is banned due to scamming. Obviously if scamming is suspected and proven, then they're not going to hand all of the scammed money over to the scammer before he leaves!
Again, this is conjecture - I don't have access to the information that the staff does, so I don't know the full story here. What I do know is that scamming is not tolerated and when someone is discovered to be a scammer, their vendor account is banned.
Sam, you did not help matters any when you continued to try to get people to buy from you through messages after your account had been banned.
Also, I've seen at least one thread started by someone claiming you scammed them.
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with the ban, fair or not, the seller should be able to get out his coins of the SR account. it was money made by the rules of SR
What? Seriously? When a seller is banned for scamming people and breaking rules, the money was NOT "made by the rules of SR" ... they were BREAKING the rules and scamming people in order to earn that money. Money made by scamming people and not sending out a product is not money that belongs to the seller. This is why you should NEVER finalize early ... because if you're still in escrow when a scammer is banned, then you will receive a refund because that money belongs to the buyer who never received what they ordered.
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Tell the truth and be honest with you? I'm pretty sure inigo did exactly that. He posted honestly about why they made the decision to ban SamGiancana's vendor account. Furthermore, I received several messages last night stating that SamGiancana was continuing to try to sell via messages, which is also clearly against the rules. :\
Also, for these accusations about SR "knowing" someone is a scammer and "letting them buy new accounts again and again" -- that's impossible. There is no way to prove someone is a scammer until they have scammed people ... and even then, it's not always possible to know if they had previously had an account under a different name. There's no way SR would allow a known scammer to create more accounts to scam people. If SR knew someone was a scammer, they would ban them.
what about charabros & superthrips then 100 odd people complained about being scammed by these 2 and guess what still selling ??? why is this ?
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with the ban, fair or not, the seller should be able to get out his coins of the SR account. it was money made by the rules of SR
What? Seriously? When a seller is banned for scamming people and breaking rules, the money was NOT "made by the rules of SR" ... they were BREAKING the rules and scamming people in order to earn that money. Money made by scamming people and not sending out a product is not money that belongs to the seller. This is why you should NEVER finalize early ... because if you're still in escrow when a scammer is banned, then you will receive a refund because that money belongs to the buyer who never received what they ordered.
Again how come this lot are exempt ?
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with the ban, fair or not, the seller should be able to get out his coins of the SR account. it was money made by the rules of SR
What? Seriously? When a seller is banned for scamming people and breaking rules, the money was NOT "made by the rules of SR" ... they were BREAKING the rules and scamming people in order to earn that money. Money made by scamming people and not sending out a product is not money that belongs to the seller. This is why you should NEVER finalize early ... because if you're still in escrow when a scammer is banned, then you will receive a refund because that money belongs to the buyer who never received what they ordered.
like i said, if the money was made by the rules of SR, he sould have is money back.
in this case, what i read, is that he was banned for making a bussiness outside of SR, receiving the payment by WU.. so, the money that he got on his account, the 127 bitcoins, were made selling 'legally' by the rules of the SR.. his only mistake was to accept WU payment, right?
i haven't read that he is a scammer.. if he is, soz for this, but do you got my point scout?
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what about charabros & superthrips then 100 odd people complained about being scammed by these 2 and guess what still selling ??? why is this ?
edar, I don't have an answer for that. Obviously if they are scamming people, those people should be reporting the vendors using the "Report Vendor" link on the vendor's profile page, and then SR Staff will investigate. If they are scamming people, they should be banned, of course.
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Scout please point me to a thread of a vendor claiming I have been scammed.
I have continued to sell to 1 person melroy who we already agreed on sending a package prior to you shutting me down for western union (I still need to make a living whether you guys like it or not, sorry), by the way, the person who paid western union still got their tracking and package sent AFTER my account was frozen.
I am not here to fucking scam how have you not figured that out yet.
I was banned for "doing an out of escrow transaction" that doesn't sound like scamming to me, but you can just freeze my 127 coins based on now assuming I am a scammer with no proof?
Yeah fucking right this is garbage. If people are ok with SR running around like this that's beyond fucked up, I need this money to live, it's not a game even though you're treating it like one.
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with the ban, fair or not, the seller should be able to get out his coins of the SR account. it was money made by the rules of SR
What? Seriously? When a seller is banned for scamming people and breaking rules, the money was NOT "made by the rules of SR" ... they were BREAKING the rules and scamming people in order to earn that money. Money made by scamming people and not sending out a product is not money that belongs to the seller. This is why you should NEVER finalize early ... because if you're still in escrow when a scammer is banned, then you will receive a refund because that money belongs to the buyer who never received what they ordered.
like i said, if the money was made by the rules of SR, he sould have is money back.
in this case, what i read, is that he was banned for making a bussiness outside of SR, receiving the payment by WU.. so, the money that he got on his account, the 127 bitcoins, were made selling 'legally' by the rules of the SR.. his only mistake was to accept WU payment, right?
i haven't read that he is a scammer.. if he is, soz for this, but do you got my point scout?
I have NOT scammed anyone, nobody has reported that I have, it seems to me like they are just making shit up now.
Look at the transactions I have REFUNDED to people after sending that got stopped by customs, etc, AFTER my account was banned.
I refunded OBIWANJABRONI for his coke because he wasnt happy with the quality (this is AFTER MY ACCOUNT BEING BANNED)
Im not fucking scamming, give me my coins.
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Scout please point me to a thread of a vendor claiming I have been scammed.
I have continued to sell to 1 person melroy who we already agreed on sending a package prior to you shutting me down for western union (I still need to make a living whether you guys like it or not, sorry), by the way, the person who paid western union still got their tracking and package sent AFTER my account was frozen.
I am not here to fucking scam how have you not figured that out yet.
I was banned for "doing an out of escrow transaction" that doesn't sound like scamming to me, but you can just freeze my 127 coins based on now assuming I am a scammer with no proof?
Yeah fucking right this is garbage. If people are ok with SR running around like this that's beyond fucked up, I need this money to live, it's not a game even though you're treating it like one.
I am not treating this like a game. Inigo already stated that there was way more to the story than simply your one admitted-to deal outside of escrow. Re-read his post.
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with the ban, fair or not, the seller should be able to get out his coins of the SR account. it was money made by the rules of SR
What? Seriously? When a seller is banned for scamming people and breaking rules, the money was NOT "made by the rules of SR" ... they were BREAKING the rules and scamming people in order to earn that money. Money made by scamming people and not sending out a product is not money that belongs to the seller. This is why you should NEVER finalize early ... because if you're still in escrow when a scammer is banned, then you will receive a refund because that money belongs to the buyer who never received what they ordered.
like i said, if the money was made by the rules of SR, he sould have is money back.
in this case, what i read, is that he was banned for making a bussiness outside of SR, receiving the payment by WU.. so, the money that he got on his account, the 127 bitcoins, were made selling 'legally' by the rules of the SR.. his only mistake was to accept WU payment, right?
i haven't read that he is a scammer.. if he is, soz for this, but do you got my point scout?
No, that is not right -- SR rules plainly and clearly state that you are not permitted to deal outside of the escrow system which is in place to protect both buyers and sellers. Look, all I know is that the staff investigated and determined there was reason to ban his account. That's as much as I know about the details. Inigo mentioned that there was more to the story.
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This was the first time I have banned a vendor for OOE without giving them a second chance, so I can understand why it seems unfair and harsh, but I can assure you all that there is much more to the story then that. I have enough concrete evidence to believe beyond a reasonable doubt that the SamGiancana account is owned by the same person who has owned multiple accounts that have been previously banned for scamming dozens if not hundreds of users, and who made off with a lot of people's money. We did what we did in order to deliver long over-due justice.
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the "more to the story" is him accusing me of being past scammers.
I told them my affiliation with the teflon don and how he was my local coke supplier who scammed me, have messages in my account to show it still.
Regardless, ACCUSING me of being a past scammer isnt solid enough to steal my coins from me from me doing no scamming that u can show.
some bullshit about "i think i saw 1 report of someone saying you scammed them" get real man.
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the "more to the story" is him accusing me of being past scammers.
I told them my affiliation with the teflon don and how he was my local coke supplier who scammed me, have messages in my account to show it still.
Regardless, ACCUSING me of being a past scammer isnt solid enough to steal my coins from me from me doing no scamming that u can show.
some bullshit about "i think i saw 1 report of someone saying you scammed them" get real man.
I don't know how else to explain this to you. I do not have access to the information that inigo has access to. So I don't / can't speak for what he found or what he is basing the decision on. *I* personally have seen a thread accusing you of being a scammer -- that is completely separate from inigo's comments. That was me, personally, saying I recalled seeing a thread here. Obviously inigo / the staff have more proof.
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http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=130801
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=127204.msg876973#msg876973
These are the two I had seen. The staff would base their decision on more than these two threads though.
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Scout I respect buddy esp coz at least you tried to help me
but do you honestly think I didnt hit the report vendor button many many times yet you know and I know of small mistakes made by vendors and there gone yet these sellers are allowed to stay on , so clearly its one rule for one and another for the rest of us
eta. At least your honest enough you dont know why , more respect to you mate
but I think we the buyers of Sr and vendors deserve to be told the truth & if you dont know buddy can you at least find out for the rest of us (coz we are as confused as you)
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http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=130801
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=127204.msg876973#msg876973
These are the two I had seen. The staff would base their decision on more than these two threads though.
I should hope so because NEITHER of those threads is someone who is accusing me of scamming them - david got a refund (aus customs can be a bitch sometimes, go figure)
and the second one is some sort of conspiracy, not a person saying ive scammed them.
Do you take peoples money based on a conspiracy / accusation?
Unless I physically took someones coins without giving them their shipment (david by the way RECEIVED tracking) you should not have the right to take my money.
Are people actually ok that SR staff is doing this to me? Imagine being in my shoes.
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Scout I respect buddy esp coz at least you tried to help me
but do you honestly think I didnt hit the report vendor button many many times yet you know and I know of small mistakes made by vendors and there gone yet these sellers are allowed to stay on , so clearly its one rule for one and another for the rest of us
I feel like we're talking about several different issues here. SamGiancana is pissed about one thing, and you, edar, are pissed about slightly-related things and are bringing them up in the midst of all of this, so it's getting a bit difficult to address these separate issues.
What sellers are you talking about? And what vendor? Are you talking about the other scammer vendors you mentioned earlier? If those vendors are truly scamming people and the scammed members are reporting them correctly using the "report vendor" link on their profiles, then the staff should be looking into those reported vendors.
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Do you take peoples money based on a conspiracy / accusation?
I don't take anything, because I am not in a position to make these decisions. I do, however, know for a fact that SR Staff would not revoke a vendor's account based on a conspiracy - they investigate things and make a decision based on the findings.
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READ FROM BOTTOM UP - How the fuck can I be accused of being these guys?
This is beyond fucked up.
Keeping someones cash based on ASSUMPTIONS of me being past scammers is not a proper thing to do. If we are supposedly "anonymous" how the fuck can you say I am these guys?
I HAVE DONE NO SCAMMING - I DONT DESERVE TO LOSE MY COINS.
So what do you do with this money then? Give it to the people that got scammed from those 2 guys? What the fuck does "repair damages" mean?
I am NOT these guys, I have had AMPLE OPPERTUNITY to scam if I was going to.
Why the fuck are you stealing my money?
Vendor Support I have talked to DPR and verified my decision. We are confiscating the funds in your wallet to repair the damage done by your GMemphis and CanadianLTD accounts. 9 minutes unread
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SamGiancana Im not just guessing that he is gmemphis or that canadian guy, he has had me give him cash for bitcoins in the past to run transactions through his accounts before i could pick them up from him locally, instead of doing cash deals so he got feedback. 3 hours unread
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SamGiancana How could you possibly trace the money when nothing used has been mine. Have you followed my story on here at all?
"Theteflondon" is a guy that I had been doing business with locally, he was my cocaine supplier. I would never meet him face to face but only his guy, and through texting.
He put me on to the idea that I should get on SR, so I gave him 500 bucks and he sent the coins to purchase this account. Just two weeks ago I went to do another coke deal with him, where he said he could take my bitcoins for me and turn it in to cash since i was clueless how to do this (hence the western union post on the forums, and hence me sending $7775.00) worth of coins to his address. I STILL have the messages on my buyer account "omarion2" where I sent the coins to that address and he scammed them. That same day he told me to give him 500 gram of my methylone and he would get me cash for it shortly after. I believed him and went and gave the guy the methylone.
After this happened and I realised he scammed me, I made a post about it on the forums and outed him as a scammer before he could get to anyone else, lots of people decided not to listen clearly, but many other members agreed, and clearly I was right considering his account is not gone. I pulled my listings down because I wasn't able to supply anyone anymore. *(This is also why I got 2 - 3 complains on my last 2 - 3 coke orders and refunded them - he gave me bunk coke on my last pickup)
I have no idea how ANY money could be followed to my own personal accounts. The money itself CAME from theteflondon for this account if this is even what you mean by tracing the money. I am an honest person here and have been straight up from day one.
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Vendor Support I came to that conclusion by following the money. I know that others are accusing TheTeflonDon of being them, but I believe they are mistaken. They are just working off of hunches, I on the other hand have concrete evidence that is very damning. I am 99% positive that you are GMemphis, and that is more than enough to ban you and confiscate your funds. I appreciate you being respectful but I am not going to reinstate your account. 12 hours read
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Scout I respect buddy esp coz at least you tried to help me
but do you honestly think I didnt hit the report vendor button many many times yet you know and I know of small mistakes made by vendors and there gone yet these sellers are allowed to stay on , so clearly its one rule for one and another for the rest of us
I feel like we're talking about several different issues here. SamGiancana is pissed about one thing, and you, edar, are pissed about slightly-related things and are bringing them up in the midst of all of this, so it's getting a bit difficult to address these separate issues.
What sellers are you talking about? And what vendor? Are you talking about the other scammer vendors you mentioned earlier? If those vendors are truly scamming people and the scammed members are reporting them correctly using the "report vendor" link on their profiles, then the staff should be looking into those reported vendors.
oh scout my friend do you seriously think we havent , he told me if you dont F.e Im sending you fuk all , i reported it he then said send/ buy something else for a small reship , guess what , fuk of my 25g on my 1g new order I reported this again & that was months and months ago scout so come on man give us all the scammed a bit of credit , you think we go oh I Didnt see that report vendor button
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READ FROM BOTTOM UP - How the fuck can I be accused of being these guys?
This is beyond fucked up.
Keeping someones cash based on ASSUMPTIONS of me being past scammers is not a proper thing to do. If we are supposedly "anonymous" how the fuck can you say I am these guys?
I HAVE DONE NO SCAMMING - I DONT DESERVE TO LOSE MY COINS.
So what do you do with this money then? Give it to the people that got scammed from those 2 guys? What the fuck does "repair damages" mean?
I am NOT these guys, I have had AMPLE OPPERTUNITY to scam if I was going to.
Why the fuck are you stealing my money?
Vendor Support I have talked to DPR and verified my decision. We are confiscating the funds in your wallet to repair the damage done by your GMemphis and CanadianLTD accounts. 9 minutes unread
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SamGiancana Im not just guessing that he is gmemphis or that canadian guy, he has had me give him cash for bitcoins in the past to run transactions through his accounts before i could pick them up from him locally, instead of doing cash deals so he got feedback. 3 hours unread
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SamGiancana How could you possibly trace the money when nothing used has been mine. Have you followed my story on here at all?
"Theteflondon" is a guy that I had been doing business with locally, he was my cocaine supplier. I would never meet him face to face but only his guy, and through texting.
He put me on to the idea that I should get on SR, so I gave him 500 bucks and he sent the coins to purchase this account. Just two weeks ago I went to do another coke deal with him, where he said he could take my bitcoins for me and turn it in to cash since i was clueless how to do this (hence the western union post on the forums, and hence me sending $7775.00) worth of coins to his address. I STILL have the messages on my buyer account "omarion2" where I sent the coins to that address and he scammed them. That same day he told me to give him 500 gram of my methylone and he would get me cash for it shortly after. I believed him and went and gave the guy the methylone.
After this happened and I realised he scammed me, I made a post about it on the forums and outed him as a scammer before he could get to anyone else, lots of people decided not to listen clearly, but many other members agreed, and clearly I was right considering his account is not gone. I pulled my listings down because I wasn't able to supply anyone anymore. *(This is also why I got 2 - 3 complains on my last 2 - 3 coke orders and refunded them - he gave me bunk coke on my last pickup)
I have no idea how ANY money could be followed to my own personal accounts. The money itself CAME from theteflondon for this account if this is even what you mean by tracing the money. I am an honest person here and have been straight up from day one.
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Vendor Support I came to that conclusion by following the money. I know that others are accusing TheTeflonDon of being them, but I believe they are mistaken. They are just working off of hunches, I on the other hand have concrete evidence that is very damning. I am 99% positive that you are GMemphis, and that is more than enough to ban you and confiscate your funds. I appreciate you being respectful but I am not going to reinstate your account. 12 hours read
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This makes things clearer to me, so thanks for sharing. It seems you also used your own buyer account to leave positive reviews for your vendor account / product as "omarion2" ??? ( see: http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=127204.msg876973#msg876973 )
The whole deal with you and TeflonDon and leaving feedback for yourself through your buyer account is just sketchy as shit.
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SamGiancana Im not just guessing that he is gmemphis or that canadian guy, he has had me give him cash for bitcoins in the past to run transactions through his accounts before i could pick them up from him locally, instead of doing cash deals so he got feedback.
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http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=132667.msg903724#msg903724
READ THIS THREAD FOR THE FULL CONVO.
SKETCHY AND WEIRD OR NOT, I HAVENT SCAMMED ON MY ACCOUNT - THEREFORE YOU SHOULDNT BE ALLOWED TO KEEP MY COINS.
END OF STORY.
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Dog..
You are acting just like MtlJohn. The similarities are striking.
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yeh the old deflection technique ;) on that subject did they get mtjohns money back ? and if not why
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The whole deal with you and TeflonDon and leaving feedback for yourself through your buyer account is just sketchy as shit.
so you get banned for that and not asking for / forcing F.E
charabros stole my money then stole some more whys he not banned i reported him and so have plenty others and scout does us all a favour and check his and superthrips feedback mate speaks volumes now thats sketchy & what about all the 50% refunds folk got for non arrival fake tracking etc
do they get a refund why go resolution and accept a 50% refund when sr can give you 100% refund from a proven scammer ...yet feedback from any account is an issue and asking F.E aint
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how many times do i have to say this: NO ONE CAN FORCE YOU TO FINALIZE EARLY. if they ask you to FE, it's simple - you find a vendor who allows you to stay in escrow and doesn't ask you to FE! it's not difficult!
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yeh the old deflection technique ;) on that subject did they get mtjohns money back ? and if not why
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how many times do i have to say this: NO ONE CAN FORCE YOU TO FINALIZE EARLY. if they ask you to FE, it's simple - you find a vendor who allows you to stay in escrow and doesn't ask you to FE! it's not difficult!
+1 Thats what I have been saying.
Donation on it's way ;)
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how many times do i have to say this: NO ONE CAN FORCE YOU TO FINALIZE EARLY. if they ask you to FE, it's simple - you find a vendor who allows you to stay in escrow and doesn't ask you to FE! it's not difficult!
+1 Thats what I have been saying.
Donation on it's way ;)
eh should we not be asking why are they allowed to ask is more to the point.... and why isnt asking prohibited if Sr want to really protect the buyer ? ? esp the newbies why aint you asking that ? to protect newbies why doesnt hasnt Sr said ASKING F.E IS AGAINST SR RULES It would save a lot of newbies a lot of money if it was implemented as a rule & again why is it not
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how many times do i have to say this: NO ONE CAN FORCE YOU TO FINALIZE EARLY. if they ask you to FE, it's simple - you find a vendor who allows you to stay in escrow and doesn't ask you to FE! it's not difficult!
+1 Thats what I have been saying.
Donation on it's way ;)
eh should we not be asking why are they allowed to ask is more to the point.... and why isnt asking prohibited if Sr want to really protect the buyer ? ? esp the newbies why aint you asking that ? to protect newbies why doesnt hasnt Sr said ASKING F.E IS AGAINST SR RULES It would save a lot of newbies a lot of money if it was implemented as a rule & again why is it not
Edgar you know my feelings. It's never going to happen. Even if it did, people will still do it.
We are off topic. OP got caught doing side deals. you want to piss off SR Support? Don't pay your taxes.
It's disrespect to the people who operate this place. They gave you a gift, and you side deal them.
I love the bullshit I read. I didn't know. I was doing this before I came here, etc
Too fucking bad...... Buy another account, and learn a lesson.
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how many times do i have to say this: NO ONE CAN FORCE YOU TO FINALIZE EARLY. if they ask you to FE, it's simple - you find a vendor who allows you to stay in escrow and doesn't ask you to FE! it's not difficult!
+1 Thats what I have been saying.
Donation on it's way ;)
eh should we not be asking why are they allowed to ask is more to the point.... and why isnt asking prohibited if Sr want to really protect the buyer ? ? esp the newbies why aint you asking that ? to protect newbies why doesnt hasnt Sr said ASKING F.E IS AGAINST SR RULES It would save a lot of newbies a lot of money if it was implemented as a rule & again why is it not
Edgar you know my feelings. It's never going to happen. Even if it did, people will still do it.
We are off topic. OP got caught doing side deals. you want to piss off SR Support? Don't pay your taxes.
It's disrespect to the people who operate this place. They gave you a gift, and you side deal them.
I love the bullshit I read. I didn't know. I was doing this before I came here, etc
Too fucking bad...... Buy another account, and learn a lesson.
wisdom indeed
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THIS SHIT is better then those mexican soap operas im constantly refreshing for the next episode
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It's very easy for anyone to judge the way we run this place from where you all are sitting.
Scout, I appreciate you sticking up for and defending me and SR so valiantly, but you don't need to waste any more of your precious time on this subject. It appears no ones minds will be changed here.
There are thousands of users on this site, and only one of me. We do the best we can at catching scammers and banning them as soon as we gather enough proof, but I promise that's not as simple as you all make it out to be.
I wish I could show you all the evidence I have that connects Sam's account to notorious scammers in SR's past, I am confident it would convince you all equally if not more as it did me. I even presented the evidence to DPR to make sure that he agreed with this decision. But the truth is, we don't have many tools for connecting identities of anonymous accounts, and I would hate to compromise any of the few methods we do have for investigating these matters. The last thing I want to do is teach the biggest scammers how to cover their tracks from us.
Edar, I have banned eddys420 today. You were right about them and I apologize it took me so long to take them down, but you have no idea how many reports come in every day, and how many people I have on my list of vendors who need to be checked out. We're running this place as fair as humanly possible. There are many instances when we have banned top 1% vendors for something as small as getting too angry at a customer they were arguing with and letting a threat slip in their heated mindstate. We don't let scammers stay here because they bring in money. If a vendor is still here after some controversial activity and reports of scamming, then there is a fair and reasonable explanation. However that doesn't mean that the entire community is entitled to be privy to that explanation.
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It's very easy for anyone to judge the way we run this place from where you all are sitting.
Scout, I appreciate you sticking up for and defending me and SR so valiantly, but you don't need to waste any more of your precious time on this subject. It appears no ones minds will be changed here.
There are thousands of users on this site, and only one of me. We do the best we can at catching scammers and banning them as soon as we gather enough proof, but I promise that's not as simple as you all make it out to be.
I wish I could show you all the evidence I have that connects Sam's account to notorious scammers in SR's past, I am confident it would convince you all equally if not more as it did me. I even presented the evidence to DPR to make sure that he agreed with this decision. But the truth is, we don't have many tools for connecting identities of anonymous accounts, and I would hate to compromise any of the few methods we do have for investigating these matters. The last thing I want to do is teach the biggest scammers how to cover their tracks from us.
Edar, I have banned eddys420 today. You were right about them and I apologize it took me so long to take them down, but you have no idea how many reports come in every day, and how many people I have on my list of vendors who need to be checked out. We're running this place as fair as humanly possible. There are many instances when we have banned top 1% vendors for something as small as getting too angry at a customer they were arguing with and letting a threat slip in their heated mindstate. We don't let scammers stay here because they bring in money. If a vendor is still here after some controversial activity and reports of scamming, then there is a fair and reasonable explanation. However that doesn't mean that the entire community is entitled to be privy to that explanation.
+1 gained some respect from that post
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ok if theres thousands of users and only you , whys is that ?
why doesnt Sr get more staff it not like they cant afford it esp after getting eddy420s fee,s ??? and on that note now his btc has been frozen will the buyers get refunds / or is it the same case those who f.ed can whistle dicksy
If Sr had more staff this would have saved god knows how many buyers from being ripped as I reported it days ago & you shouldnt need to apologise for taking too long as its only you ?
so if it was Sr,s fault they cant manage the reports in a timely manner (due to the lack of staff) thus saving innocent buyers loosing thousand of dollars shouldnt the buyers be refunded ? esp if there told if you dont F.E I aint sending it ...
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ok if theres thousands of users and only you , whys is that ?
why doesnt Sr get more staff it not like they cant afford it esp after getting eddy420s fee,s ??? and on that note now his btc has been frozen will the buyers get refunds / or is it the same case those who f.ed can whistle dicksy
If Sr had more staff this would have saved god knows how many buyers from being ripped as I reported it days ago & you shouldnt need to apologise for taking too long as its only you ?
so if it was Sr,s fault they cant manage the reports in a timely manner (due to the lack of staff) thus saving innocent buyers loosing thousand of dollars shouldnt the buyers be refunded ? esp if there told if you dont F.E I aint sending it ...
It isn't like SR can just advertise for staff.
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Edar, can you please read your own signature and shut the fuck up.
End of story.
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ok if theres thousands of users and only you , whys is that ?
why doesnt Sr get more staff it not like they cant afford it esp after getting eddy420s fee,s ??? and on that note now his btc has been frozen will the buyers get refunds / or is it the same case those who f.ed can whistle dicksy
If Sr had more staff this would have saved god knows how many buyers from being ripped as I reported it days ago & you shouldnt need to apologise for taking too long as its only you ?
so if it was Sr,s fault they cant manage the reports in a timely manner (due to the lack of staff) thus saving innocent buyers loosing thousand of dollars shouldnt the buyers be refunded ? esp if there told if you dont F.E I aint sending it ...
It isn't like SR can just advertise for staff.
really hows that ? this is a anonymous site and they could be paid in btc ;)
. I would have helped them out for nothing in the past if theyd asked , but I just assumed they had staff ???
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ok if theres thousands of users and only you , whys is that ?
why doesnt Sr get more staff it not like they cant afford it esp after getting eddy420s fee,s ??? and on that note now his btc has been frozen will the buyers get refunds / or is it the same case those who f.ed can whistle dicksy
If Sr had more staff this would have saved god knows how many buyers from being ripped as I reported it days ago & you shouldnt need to apologise for taking too long as its only you ?
so if it was Sr,s fault they cant manage the reports in a timely manner (due to the lack of staff) thus saving innocent buyers loosing thousand of dollars shouldnt the buyers be refunded ? esp if there told if you dont F.E I aint sending it ...
You make out SR is easy to run
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ok if theres thousands of users and only you , whys is that ?
why doesnt Sr get more staff it not like they cant afford it esp after getting eddy420s fee,s ??? and on that note now his btc has been frozen will the buyers get refunds / or is it the same case those who f.ed can whistle dicksy
If Sr had more staff this would have saved god knows how many buyers from being ripped as I reported it days ago & you shouldnt need to apologise for taking too long as its only you ?
so if it was Sr,s fault they cant manage the reports in a timely manner (due to the lack of staff) thus saving innocent buyers loosing thousand of dollars shouldnt the buyers be refunded ? esp if there told if you dont F.E I aint sending it ...
edar - gtfo ok
you are butt hurt because your vendor account was banned for feedback tampering.
get over it and move on, no one gives a fuck about your attempts to spread FUD
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ok if theres thousands of users and only you , whys is that ?
why doesnt Sr get more staff it not like they cant afford it esp after getting eddy420s fee,s ??? and on that note now his btc has been frozen will the buyers get refunds / or is it the same case those who f.ed can whistle dicksy
If Sr had more staff this would have saved god knows how many buyers from being ripped as I reported it days ago & you shouldnt need to apologise for taking too long as its only you ?
so if it was Sr,s fault they cant manage the reports in a timely manner (due to the lack of staff) thus saving innocent buyers loosing thousand of dollars shouldnt the buyers be refunded ? esp if there told if you dont F.E I aint sending it ...
edar - gtfo ok
you are butt hurt because your vendor account was banned for feedback tampering.
get over it and move on, no one gives a fuck about your attempts to spread FUD
Spread what Im asking questions ? we just want to be crystal clear before I / we buy another account , Im way past the old vendor account mate... buddies already got a few & a new one ..we just wanna get all these question out in the open so were not fuked with another account being banned ;) just trying to gage whats allowed (F.E) & What constitutes a ban non arrivals ,fake drugs ,talcum powder etc as some vendors have done this been reported and are still selling ???
so trying to work out whats a ban & whats not is very blurry ... thats all
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Spread what Im asking questions ? we just want to be crystal clear before I / we buy another account , Im way past the old vendor account mate... buddies already got a few & a new one ..we just wanna get all these question out in the open ;)
Please don't, you and your buddies energy is best spent elsewhere... like making sure you keep the colors within the lines of the coloring-in pictures.
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ok if theres thousands of users and only you , whys is that ?
why doesnt Sr get more staff it not like they cant afford it esp after getting eddy420s fee,s ??? and on that note now his btc has been frozen will the buyers get refunds / or is it the same case those who f.ed can whistle dicksy
If Sr had more staff this would have saved god knows how many buyers from being ripped as I reported it days ago & you shouldnt need to apologise for taking too long as its only you ?
so if it was Sr,s fault they cant manage the reports in a timely manner (due to the lack of staff) thus saving innocent buyers loosing thousand of dollars shouldnt the buyers be refunded ? esp if there told if you dont F.E I aint sending it ...
edar - gtfo ok
you are butt hurt because your vendor account was banned for feedback tampering.
get over it and move on, no one gives a fuck about your attempts to spread FUD
I knew there had to be an angle on this.
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ok if theres thousands of users and only you , whys is that ?
why doesnt Sr get more staff it not like they cant afford it esp after getting eddy420s fee,s ??? and on that note now his btc has been frozen will the buyers get refunds / or is it the same case those who f.ed can whistle dicksy
If Sr had more staff this would have saved god knows how many buyers from being ripped as I reported it days ago & you shouldnt need to apologise for taking too long as its only you ?
so if it was Sr,s fault they cant manage the reports in a timely manner (due to the lack of staff) thus saving innocent buyers loosing thousand of dollars shouldnt the buyers be refunded ? esp if there told if you dont F.E I aint sending it ...
edar - gtfo ok
you are butt hurt because your vendor account was banned for feedback tampering.
get over it and move on, no one gives a fuck about your attempts to spread FUD
I knew there had to be an angle on this.
yeh its called clarity ;)
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ok if theres thousands of users and only you , whys is that ?
why doesnt Sr get more staff it not like they cant afford it esp after getting eddy420s fee,s ??? and on that note now his btc has been frozen will the buyers get refunds / or is it the same case those who f.ed can whistle dicksy
If Sr had more staff this would have saved god knows how many buyers from being ripped as I reported it days ago & you shouldnt need to apologise for taking too long as its only you ?
so if it was Sr,s fault they cant manage the reports in a timely manner (due to the lack of staff) thus saving innocent buyers loosing thousand of dollars shouldnt the buyers be refunded ? esp if there told if you dont F.E I aint sending it ...
edar - gtfo ok
you are butt hurt because your vendor account was banned for feedback tampering.
get over it and move on, no one gives a fuck about your attempts to spread FUD
I knew there had to be an angle on this.
yeh its called clarity ;)
I'm not going to waste any more time effort or energy on this after this post. Anyone reading your posts in this thread and the others can see clearly you are not just seeking clarity, you are intentionally trying to be mischievous and stir up trouble by spreading FUD.
If you do not want to have your vendor account banned in future be an honest vendor, it really is that simple.
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And next time, do not tamper with your own feedback by using your buyer account to purchase from your vendor account. :\
Locking this thread as I think everything has been made pretty clear.