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Discussion => Newbie discussion => Topic started by: idgafos44 on February 28, 2013, 09:35 pm
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i noticed recently that blockchain.info removed their anonymous method of sending coins to sr. is this any reason for alarm?
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i read on the main bitalk forums that this was a error and should be fixed
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i saw that too and was like wtf...
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Blockinfo was using Bitinstant and ZipZap for anonymous transactions, but that has stopped.
These companies now seem to requiring and logging email, name and dob, ad this seems to be
subjected to ID check. Some people seem to pass without problem but some people have received
ID error on small ( $100-250) transactions in spite of no obvious risk factors. Their website
indicates they may run background checks or check name against "Lists". Fucking nuts to
do business with them. Using site gives right them the right to validate you ID, keep reports of
your activity, analyze it for indications of illegal activity, and sell info to others. I'd just as soon go
to my bank and tell them to wire $500 -$1000 to someone like MtGox for investment in Bitcoin.
Note that most people do not get the ID error, but they are still logging transactions.
From Bitinstant.com website.
In order for you to make a Transaction payment, we need from you your: (i) first name; (ii) last name; (iii) mobile telephone number, together with an SMS confirmation of the same; and (iv) the last four digits of your social security number. If you wish to make a Transaction that is in excess of $1,000.00 or Transactions that, in a single day, exceed $1,000.00 in the aggregate, then we will also need from you: (v) a copy of government-issued photo ID; and (vi) a copy of a utility bill. The purpose for collecting this information is to maintain BitInstant compliance with applicable laws that require BitInstant to verify that its Services are not being used for illegal purposes to, for example, facilitate in money laundering or the funding of terrorism.
While we will accept Transaction payments for only those Merchants and in those amounts designated by you, from time to time, we want to be sure that you have a pre-existing relationship (i.e. the Customer Merchant Agreement) with the Merchant from whom we are taking a payment. To that end, you allow us to obtain all information that a Merchant may maintain concerning you, so that we can be sure that you (i) have a relationship with the Merchant; and (ii) your identification information provided to us matches that that you have provided to the Merchant. We need this ability to protect you, us and Merchants from fraud and in order to comply with applicable laws.
YOU EXPRESSLY GRANT THE RIGHT TO COLLECT, STORE AND DISCLOSE ALL NON-PUBLIC PERSONAL INFORMATION IDENTIFIED ABOVE, TOGETHER WITH TRANSACTION AMOUNTS AND MERCHANT IDENTIFICATION AS WELL AS INFORMATION IN POSSESION OF MERCHANTS IN ORDER TO FACILITATE IN BITINSTANT'S SUPPLY OF THE SERVICES AND IN ORDER TO COMPLY WITH APPLICABLE LAWS.
BY ACCEPTING THIS AGREEMENT, YOU REPRESENT THAT BITINSTANT IS AUTHORIZED COLLECT, STORE AND DISCLOSE THE INFORMATION IN THIS APPLICATION AND INFORMATION ABOUT YOU PERSONALLY, INCLUDING BY REQUESTING REPORTS FROM CONSUMER REPORTING AGENCIES IN ORDER TO ASSESS YOUR SUITABILITY TO USE THE SERVICES AND THE ONGOING RELATIONSHIP WITH BITINSTANT.
BitInstant reserves the right to carry out a background check on you.
Its gone from Anonymous for small amounts, to We collect your information, may run background checks
and will disclose this info to unknown agencies. I suspect that even if you pass the ID test, they still keep info on you
that could be disclosed for no reason.
This seems very invasive to me, and I can think of no reason do business with them.
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I guess good things don't last forever.
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no
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Imagine how often these guys are targeted by botnet size scams and hacks. I'm not sure about blockchain.info's status; but I've read it's a good tumbler. Can someone confirm that this is no longer true?
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Last time I looked, blockchain.info no longer had the anonymous cash option.
They used zipzap for the transaction, and they have started logging users
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shit
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You can still send anonymously ... it's just called "Shared Send" ...
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Thanks for info.
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Just buy bitcoins with your ID or whatever and send them to an online wallet or two that is from a different site than the one you had to give out personal info to. From that wallet send the money to a new account on bitcoinfog. From bitcoinfog send the BTC to SR. Use a proxy/tor for as much of this process as you can. Getting anonymous coins on SR is still trivially easy.
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My concern is them looking for illegal usage patterns in purchases to acquire Bitcoins, but think Spain and other market forces will provide cover, esp f you can buy $1000 in bitcoins instead of a series of $200 purchases.
After you but them, it will be very difficult to track your usage. You can always lose your money gambling..
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You can still send anonymously ... it's just called "Shared Send" ...
OMG, I thought this was gone forever. Bitcoinfog is cool but takes forever.....
clearnet (not really) https://blockchain.info/wallet/send-shared
blahblah1234
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Be interesting to know the future. When it happens it will be clear (probably) what was leading up to the change.
I'm bullish for BTC, though.
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oh, thanks for this info!
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i was thinking of bitinstant to blockchain to SR. should i not do it this way anymore?
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Thats so fucking ignorant of them. Curious how many of you guys manually tumble your coins, or are you comfortable enough to just deposit them directly into SR from Bitinstant, bitfloor, etc..?
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i was thinking of bitinstant to blockchain to SR. should i not do it this way anymore?
Blockchain wallet or the blockchain send-shared feature? Don't just transfer between wallets. Use a tumbler like bitcoinfog or blockchain.info send-shared feature for better security and to break the trail. If you go wallet to wallet, it is traceable back to the originator, like bitinstant, who may have your name or even a nice picture of you at the Walmart making the purchase. Using bitcoinfog or the blockchain.info shared send feature mixes other peoples coins to send to SR if you route them through so there is no trail to you.
send-shared - clearnet https://blockchain.info/wallet/send-shared
Bitcoinfog - Tor URL http://fogcore5n3ov3tui.onion
blockchain charges .5% fee
bitcoinfog charges random between 1 and 3%
Check out the links, there is more info on why you want to use these services if you are concerned with security (!)
blahblah1234
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Just buy bitcoins with your ID or whatever and send them to an online wallet or two that is from a different site than the one you had to give out personal info to. From that wallet send the money to a new account on bitcoinfog. From bitcoinfog send the BTC to SR. Use a proxy/tor for as much of this process as you can. Getting anonymous coins on SR is still trivially easy.
Helpful. I'm scouring the forums for other advice on security and anonymity. Thank you.
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i was thinking of bitinstant to blockchain to SR. should i not do it this way anymore?
Blockchain wallet or the blockchain send-shared feature? Don't just transfer between wallets. Use a tumbler like bitcoinfog or blockchain.info send-shared feature for better security and to break the trail. If you go wallet to wallet, it is traceable back to the originator, like bitinstant, who may have your name or even a nice picture of you at the Walmart making the purchase. Using bitcoinfog or the blockchain.info shared send feature mixes other peoples coins to send to SR if you route them through so there is no trail to you.
send-shared - clearnet https://blockchain.info/wallet/send-shared
Bitcoinfog - Tor URL http://fogcore5n3ov3tui.onion
blockchain charges .5% fee
bitcoinfog charges random between 1 and 3%
Check out the links, there is more info on why you want to use these services if you are concerned with security (!)
blahblah1234
wait, I thought the whole way that bitcoins retained value had to do with tracing transaction after transcation back to the origin--isn't that the whole point of the block? So this is why you're saying not to go wallet to wallet? I guess I'd better check out the links to see why bitcoinfog or blockchain are different. I don't quite get it yet...
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I sent almost $500.00 to bitinstant the monday after they got hacked a few weeks ago. I knew their website had been down all weekend but I didn't know why. Had I known they had been hacked I would have never sent my money to them. LOOOOONG story short, I got my BTC finally after emailing them a new BTC address...
I thought if I say, put an order in with binstant right now and gave them my btc address, than go put another 500.00 order in with another company or whatever, I should be able to change my BTC address and still have transaction(s) go through yes? OR do you we have to keep the address the same until funds are deposited??
**I came this close to spreading bad press/contacting press/bloggers about Bitinstant since I felt that would be more damaging to them than filing some crap in small claims court. In the end I did loose out on a bunch of money. I mean they had about half my investment money for SR and it took FOREVER for me to get my BTC... Thank god I had established a relationhip with a great seller who kept cutting me the same breaks even though I wasn't getting usual quantity...
I USE BITFLOOR.COM now and they're great! I deposit cash into any bank O amerika (I think if its under $1000.00 they do not ask for ID but I'm not sure about that). I've had no problems at all, they've never once asked me for an ID.
Just this last time she asked me for a name and I gave my usual go-to fake name but I think I saw her filling it in in a little box that I missed or something. Will pay closer attention next time, will go to a different bank, and will set up a whole new account on bitfloor. I'm using ALL fake information the whole way with @MailInator.com / tor browsers. I do have to go to public wi-fi spots to access bitfloor. Even when I allow scripts some things (alot of things) don't show up. the ONLY problem and tricky part with BitFloor is the trading of your USD for BTC .. the USD shows up in your account on bitfloor very very quickly and you can trade for BTC as soon as you want but you want to MAKE SURE you put a limit on what you're willing to spend on BTC... I didn't set a limit my first time because I was in a huge hurry (was running like 2 weeks late) and I lost about $54.00 in literally seconds... If you don't set a limit it will charge you whatever the most expensive bitcoin has sold for at that time. I just look to see what the last group of BTC sold for and set my limit to that number or like a penny more... I don't want to wait around to see if somebody will accept my offer, I want my BTC ASAP so I'll spend a hair more than other people I guess. After you've traded and you own x amount of btc on bitfloor you can then send them where ever you want; you can wash them multiple times, send them to a wallet etc.. Because I use ALL fake names etc.. I send them straight to SR and change accounts (with bitfloor) every 1000.00 or so... Does anybody see a problem with this? I am I playing it too loose?
In the near future I will have person I pay to deposit money
Person receives items already gets money
I handle all online stuff and $$ via tor browsers and public internet spots like hotel parking lots, starbucks etc..
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Id rather wash my coins with a service not on the clearnet lol, theres plenty!
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i was thinking of bitinstant to blockchain to SR. should i not do it this way anymore?
Blockchain wallet or the blockchain send-shared feature? Don't just transfer between wallets. Use a tumbler like bitcoinfog or blockchain.info send-shared feature for better security and to break the trail. If you go wallet to wallet, it is traceable back to the originator, like bitinstant, who may have your name or even a nice picture of you at the Walmart making the purchase. Using bitcoinfog or the blockchain.info shared send feature mixes other peoples coins to send to SR if you route them through so there is no trail to you.
send-shared - clearnet https://blockchain.info/wallet/send-shared
Bitcoinfog - Tor URL http://fogcore5n3ov3tui.onion
blockchain charges .5% fee
bitcoinfog charges random between 1 and 3%
Check out the links, there is more info on why you want to use these services if you are concerned with security (!)
blahblah1234
wait, I thought the whole way that bitcoins retained value had to do with tracing transaction after transcation back to the origin--isn't that the whole point of the block? So this is why you're saying not to go wallet to wallet? I guess I'd better check out the links to see why bitcoinfog or blockchain are different. I don't quite get it yet...
These are just tumblers so there is an origin still. Imagine me, you, and 80 of our friends all want to send 1 BTC to somewhere but you don't want the recipient to know who it came from. We all get together and dump our coins in a bucket, shake it around and pull out a new random coin and send it. Still has an origin and a value, its just that we mixed them up and now nobody knows where each one went nor can anyone prove where we sent our 1 BTC. We still sent it but the traceability is gone....
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im just going to trust in SR's ability to tumble the coins
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Just a word of warning, blockchain's "send shared" service can take a looong time - took me over 12 hours last time I used it so consider other options if you're trying to get coins into SR in a hurry.
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Actually, it's not blockchain that is causing the delay -- it's just a delay within SR.
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Sorry, I should have clarified - I was using blockchain's "send shared" service to transfer to a 3rd party wallet. The transfer from that wallet into SR only took a couple of hours.
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Oh, okay. Yeah, my understanding is that with send shared, your coins go into a pool which may or may not be large enough to mix your coins. If there aren't enough other coins in the pool, then you have to wait until there are before the transaction(s) go through.
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Yeah, from what I've read that's exactly how it works... I was just a little surprised how long it took because I was only sending a small amount (<3 BCT).
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That's pretty surprising! Then again, blockchain.info has been having a lot of technical issues recently -- nothing with btc missing or anything, but trouble with the website, the servers, etc. It's possible that it took that long for your transaction due to one of those errors. Who knows! I guess it's always best to send btc a day or two before you know you'll be needing them.
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I guess it's always best to send btc a day or two before you know you'll be needing them.
This 8)
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Just buy bitcoins with your ID or whatever and send them to an online wallet or two that is from a different site than the one you had to give out personal info to. From that wallet send the money to a new account on bitcoinfog. From bitcoinfog send the BTC to SR. Use a proxy/tor for as much of this process as you can. Getting anonymous coins on SR is still trivially easy.
You just stopped a Panic Attack coming on with words of Righteous Game. I will light the Reefer for you, whoever the fuck we are haha