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Discussion => Silk Road discussion => Topic started by: talawtam on February 28, 2013, 03:51 pm
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Now I'm not stupid and I made it perfectly clear (in a polite manner might i add) that i am not willing to make a payment outside the escrow system. My main concern is that this vendor is possibly asking others to do the same (i mean why would he only ask me?) and not only that but isn't it against the rules for a vendor to do this?
I don't really want to get the vendor in to any trouble as he may be genuine but my instincts tell me this is probably not the case. Should I report the vendor/name and shame?
I don't know what the best course of action is.
Peace
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press the report vendor button and let SR staff handle the situation. If he is asking you, he is probably asking others. SR is a business, and they get no commission on bank transfers, not to mention you have no escrow protection with a bank transfer.
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agreed. report them. simple.
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done. cheers
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Who was the vendor? He will undoubtedly open another account once he gets banned. It would be nice to know what his/her listings are so members can catch them if they try it again.
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Silk Road becoming the Topix Road ?
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Who was the vendor? He will undoubtedly open another account once he gets banned. It would be nice to know what his/her listings are so members can catch them if they try it again.
I wouldn't say undoubtedly but Skippy_Jif has a point. I'd like the name (if it wouldn't be in violation of some rule). I don't want that kind of person on the website I buy drugs from.
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For some reason that makes me think "LEO!" more then commission avoider...but that's really worse case scenario right? Expose this charlatan! : D
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press the report vendor button and let SR staff handle the situation. If he is asking you, he is probably asking others. SR is a business, and they get no commission on bank transfers, not to mention you have no escrow protection with a bank transfer.
Not to mention no anonymity.
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Not to mention no anonymity.
Your right about that. He seemed like he wasn't intending on doing the transfer so I left out that bit and focused on the SR aspect of things.
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Who was the vendor? If you don't want to post it publicly, please send me a PM to let me know.
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Silk Road becoming the Topix Road ?
If people play by the rules here that will never happen.
OP +1 for concern for other people and bringing this to peoples attention. Glad you did not fall for it and your coins are safe.
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Report. No customer or vendor should ever suggest a direct bank transfer as a form of payment...it makes me suspect person automatically of possibly been a cop.
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It could be a cop, scammer or just someone that doesn't want to pay Sr commission.
Bad no matter how you look at it.
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The first thing i thought was that it is possibly LE...the only thing is... its a very well known vendor :-\ It could be possible that his account has been hijacked by LE but the messages he sent did sound like the vendor as i have spoken to him in the past. I will leave it to the SR staff to deal with the report, its the right thing to do i think. I will send Scout a PM though. Peace.
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............ if it wouldn't be in violation of some rule). I don't want that kind of person on the website I buy drugs from.......
LOL
"Violation" of a "Rule".
Do you have any idea how many rules you're violating by ordering drugs online?
I understand EXACTLY what you meant by that statement, please don't get me wrong..
its just so funny... in the context....
;D ;D
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OK so Scout has replied to my PM and said it might be a good idea to name the vendor in order to make sure that people are aware and can avoid a similar situation. The vendor goes by the name of "No Sticks No Seeds".
This is how it went:
I PM'd the vendor asking if he could get a particular strain of weed...
He replied saying yes he could and asked me how much i was after...
I told him anything between an 8th and an oz (what ever he could get)...
He then asked if i was willing to pay via bank transfer so the price would be cheaper...
...now he was very quick to respond to my messages until i replied saying that would not be willing to pay outside of escrow and I asked him if he should even be asking my to do that...
... he has not responded since...
i did also noticed in his feedback that someone gave him a 1/5 for asking to pay the same way.
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In all honesty the SR commission isnt that much to where cutting it out or trying to find ways around it is necessary so thats definitely suspicious. +1 for warning the road.
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lmao thanks for telling us! i just hope they revoke his vendor account for good this time!! i've been slating this guy since i joined the forums haha i have a somewhat unreasonable amount of hate for that guy considering i'm not a competing vendor or anything. i'm going to go quote this on his vendor thread and uk cannabis.. you've made my day! really really hope sr don't let him come back...
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OK so Scout has replied to my PM and said it might be a good idea to name the vendor in order to make sure that people are aware and can avoid a similar situation. The vendor goes by the name of "No Sticks No Seeds".
This is how it went:
I PM'd the vendor asking if he could get a particular strain of weed...
He replied saying yes he could and asked me how much i was after...
I told him anything between an 8th and an oz (what ever he could get)...
He then asked if i was willing to pay via bank transfer so the price would be cheaper...
...now he was very quick to respond to my messages until i replied saying that would not be willing to pay outside of escrow and I asked him if he should even be asking my to do that...
... he has not responded since...
i did also noticed in his feedback that someone gave him a 1/5 for asking to pay the same way.
If that happened as you describe the vendor will be banned, no question.
You did the right thing by naming them to protect others who may not be as switched on as you, you would be surprised at home many people could fall for that.
Blatant breach of SR rules and VERY dangerous for the buyer.
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he did finally msg me back saying "its only because i don't do custom orders and tried to save you money buy giving you cheap coins"... wtf... i call major BS on this one
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Don't worry - I let DPR know last night and he promised to look into it, and agreed that was absolutely 100% NOT OKAY.
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with all of the bad reports of No Sticks No Seeds- why anybody still bothers to order from or talk to him is fucking stupid in itself
but anyways, good on you for publicly naming the vendor. i would go as far to make the title of the thread- "No Sticks No Seeds Asking for Bank Transfer for purchase"
fuck him, that is obviously not "allowed" here, but until a mod told you otherwise, you were covering for him. shady shit vendors like that need to be publicly known so nobody gets ripped or WORSE.
just something to think about.
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This guy is a fucking idiot. Cop or not, stay far away from him/her. First, SR commission is cheap. You can actually pass it to your customers(kinda fucked up, but business is business-I say split the cost). Second, you're identified through bank deposits and near 100% of the time the customer or vendor doesn't have a shill bank account with a false name. If they did then they sure as hell wouldn't have trouble exchanging bitcoins for money!
I know this is repetitive, redundant, preaching to the choir, but this shit is SERIOUS!!! We are talking about our freedom! It doesn't matter if you get caught with a gram of weed of an ounce of cocaine because it is all felonious. This is not a joke. Every transaction that involves drugs on this website can land you in serious FEDERAL trouble! To have this vendor disregard the rules in such a manner is such an idiotic thing to do that I can only shake my head.
SilkRoad has a pretty damn good system going on. DPR has really put a lot of thought into establishing a safe system for people to buy drugs responsibly and with confidence. This guy has bypassed all of that and most likely will compromise any customers. Even if this guy completes a transaction with a member on SR and isn't a cop can get caught later down the road and that bank account stands a pretty good chance of being reviewed and then guess who gets noticed?
People, I repeat, this is a serious game here. You can go to jail. You could piss your family, friends or coworkers off and ruin friendships because your extracurricular activities may not be viewed in a friendly manner as yourself. This should be considered especially if you're living under the roof of someone's house that doesn't like drugs! Kids need to refrain from buying until they have study enough threads about properly completing a transaction. A few hours of reading on this forum can determine if you can successfully utilize Silk Road or not.
And anybody thinking about becoming a VENDOR, FUCKING STUDY UP ON YOUR FUTURE JOB AND ALL OF IT'S RESPONSIBILITIES!!!! This job/hobby/career/fundraiser is NOT easy. To a certain degree it can be after you have done it for a some time. Each person is different and time can vary for a person and knowledge of the trade. This site is revolutionary and a first of it's kind with great features that have kept the doors open for this long so, thinking that you can just grab some drugs and sell them and have everything work out as the guy hustling on the corner is ignorant! A superior site calls for superior vendors! I know I sure as hell learned some of these things the hard way and I study the seller's/buyer's guide here and I'm STILL learning things! This trade is constantly evolving so, staying on your toes and gaining knowledge whenever you can will ensure that you have a fighting chance compared to the person that fucks off with security.
Take care,
SJ
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Now I'm not stupid and I made it perfectly clear (in a polite manner might i add) that i am not willing to make a payment outside the escrow system. My main concern is that this vendor is possibly asking others to do the same (i mean why would he only ask me?) and not only that but isn't it against the rules for a vendor to do this?
I don't really want to get the vendor in to any trouble as he may be genuine but my instincts tell me this is probably not the case. Should I report the vendor/name and shame?
I don't know what the best course of action is.
Peace
May I have your permission to add the vendor's name to the title of the thread? People should be warned as much as possible about not putting up with this vendor's BS.
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the uk isn't a federation, it's a unitary state thus there is no federal law ;)
shit do we even have a justice system? oh dear
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Yeah, I realized the vendor is from the UK as soon as I posted. Either way, it is trouble.
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Updated the title.
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Clearly you need a new dealer for good weed. All recorded, no need to FE : )
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/0378d0df41
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Hey folks just thought Id clear a couple of grey areas up surrounding the matter of members being compromised by LE.
1) Some members are worried that NSNS is LE for asking for bank transfers, this is not the case I have used him via bank transfer a few times when I first joined and I didn't know any better.
I did actually save around £6-£7 per gram and when ordering a qtr which was a nice little saving.......but.......later on he tried to charge me the same price as what was listed then he tried to charge me a little more, I thought this does not look good what the fuck are you doing this was saving us both money and you go and mess it by trying to scam me, I told him straight no dancing around the matter and that was the end of that little venture.
2) Some members are worried that by sending money via bank transfer you will some how be compromised, this is highly unlikely as NSNS also sells btc at an outrageous price never the less he does still sell them, also many btc vendors here also sell weed/hash/coke/mdma which they use the same bank account to sell btc.
I think a few members on here already know who I am talking about so when your buying btc via bank transfer from any one off sr chances are they have their fingers in a few pies anyway.
If the worst did come to the worst you say you were buying btc as an investment or for gambling, its however very very unlikely that LE would waste time and money hunting down every person that paid in a few quid here and there what would be the point it will achieve nothing, their hardly going to stake out your house because your transfer some money especially a low amount (anything under £1000).
If you were transferring thousands on a regular basis or worse still if your the one receiving deposits of thousands on a regular basis then this might make them think other wise but trust me a few quid here and there there is nothing to worry about, please do not get stressed or panic here if your one of the people who used NSNS via bank transfer, use logic and common sense.
I learned my lessons on sr very quick, it was as if everything happened at once for potential scams and I'm glad because I would not be as switched as I am now if it did not happen, your at risk doing anything here the same could be said about giving your address, the only way you will stay truly anonymous is if you use a fake bank account for btc transfers and have a rented property for drops in a fake name also, so my point is if you really were compromised from this situation then that would mean everyone on sr would be compromised too.
Not sticking up for this guy just pointing out the facts, to be honest he does need banned, pushed his luck to far now with a lot of things on sr, hope this cleared a couple of things up.
:)
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I didn't get far reading your post, but there is no grey area here. Bank transfers cut out SR commission, and in this game, on this site, you gotta kick up to Paulie if you wanna keep making your collections. That is black and white. The vendor agreed to that when he joined this thing of ours.
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I didn't get far reading your post, but there is no grey area here. Bank transfers cut out SR commission, and in this game, on this site, you gotta kick up to Paulie if you wanna keep making your collections. That is black and white. The vendor agreed to that when he joined this thing of ours.
The post was for the members who thought they had been compromised, the matter of vendors swerving the sr commission is a completely different matter on which I do not have the knowledge to comment on.
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That makes more sense. I was commenting on your first point about the cheaper through bank transfer options he is offering.
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You lot are the ones who sound like fucking LE the guy was trying to do you a good turn to save you money and you grass him up to the whole show listen NSNS is one of the best vendors on this site he's what you call Old Skool ok and for you to just simply say nope I'm not down for that and done with you've made a big old hoo haa about it and now you could probably get this vendor shut down which I doubt but still if anyone is LE here it's the original poster of this thread ok all you had to say is nope and done if someone else makes the choice to do this with him it's up to them ok how do we know your not lying or just some sick person trying to F, him up ha but like I said the only 1 who might be LE here is you ok the OP of this lying crap I cannot comprehend the man was trying to save you money and you take offence instead of simply saying no end of
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NO, what he was trying to do was bypass the protection systems that are in place here and take money away from the team that runs this site. He can do all the bank transfers he wants when he builds his own site and has customers flocking to it by the ones. SR has invested a lot of time, energy, and money to build this site, so if people want to use the, they will follow the sites rules. To further the point, and I'm not calling him LE, there is no feedback lest for a bank transfer order, so he could scam again and again and again and never loose a single feedback point. And the forum is so active any more, and reports of scamming are easily pushed pages back if the discussion isn't kept going.
So you are wrong phoboss, just wrong.
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LOL one of the best vendors!! who charges around double other vendors with similar quality, endangers his customers health sending them contaminated weed, puts their anonymity at risk asking for bank transfer and fucks over silkroad by avoiding paying commission. you're a fucking idiot.
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Hey folks just thought Id clear a couple of grey areas up surrounding the matter of members being compromised by LE.
1) Some members are worried that NSNS is LE for asking for bank transfers, this is not the case I have used him via bank transfer a few times when I first joined and I didn't know any better.
I did actually save around £6-£7 per gram and when ordering a qtr which was a nice little saving.......but.......later on he tried to charge me the same price as what was listed then he tried to charge me a little more, I thought this does not look good what the fuck are you doing this was saving us both money and you go and mess it by trying to scam me, I told him straight no dancing around the matter and that was the end of that little venture.
2) Some members are worried that by sending money via bank transfer you will some how be compromised, this is highly unlikely as NSNS also sells btc at an outrageous price never the less he does still sell them, also many btc vendors here also sell weed/hash/coke/mdma which they use the same bank account to sell btc.
I think a few members on here already know who I am talking about so when your buying btc via bank transfer from any one off sr chances are they have their fingers in a few pies anyway.
If the worst did come to the worst you say you were buying btc as an investment or for gambling, its however very very unlikely that LE would waste time and money hunting down every person that paid in a few quid here and there what would be the point it will achieve nothing, their hardly going to stake out your house because your transfer some money especially a low amount (anything under £1000).
If you were transferring thousands on a regular basis or worse still if your the one receiving deposits of thousands on a regular basis then this might make them think other wise but trust me a few quid here and there there is nothing to worry about, please do not get stressed or panic here if your one of the people who used NSNS via bank transfer, use logic and common sense.
I learned my lessons on sr very quick, it was as if everything happened at once for potential scams and I'm glad because I would not be as switched as I am now if it did not happen, your at risk doing anything here the same could be said about giving your address, the only way you will stay truly anonymous is if you use a fake bank account for btc transfers and have a rented property for drops in a fake name also, so my point is if you really were compromised from this situation then that would mean everyone on sr would be compromised too.
Not sticking up for this guy just pointing out the facts, to be honest he does need banned,
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What???
You act like there isn't a call for concern here. And then if one person gets compromised the entire SR community is? People, don't listen to this.
I'll give you that the probability of NSNS is low, but that doesn't mean you don't need to worry about the fact he has banking information w/ names. Well, the fact that you did a bank transfer on SR in the first place should have concerned you or set some alarms off before you did it, but some of y'all didn't do it. That is careless!
Threads like this should be stickied alongside the buyer's guide(link to a database with these threads) and PM'd to new members when they join. We can also have a sticky thread with that exact buyer's guide PM-w/ the database at the top each sub-forum here.
Please SR, don't transfer money from your bank to someone else's. If you're that content to throw away your money use Greendot or Western Union. Those at least let you retain anonymity. Just use Silk Road's escrow service and you'll be ok.
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Phoboss thanks for putting a smile on my face with the idiotic comments you made.
I'm amazed that you're the only one backing this guy on this thread.
It's because of attitudes like this that we have problems on the site.
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Bill417 maybe you miss understood what I was saying this guy NSNS is not a LE officer is all I was trying to get across ok has anyone realky been and gone through NSNS feedback as tbe original poster of this thread said he read a comment stating the same thing about bank transfers ok all I was trying to get across was don't call someone LE when really your the one actually doing what LE would do and how do we know that any of the OP thread is true he could've had an argument been short etc etc the thing that peed me off was him calling someone LE ok when in reality the guy was trying to do him a favour and it's simple someone asks you to pay outside of SR it's simply down to you to say yes or no ok what he should of
done is told sr support not the whole world when in all essence it could be lies and nothing but ok do not call someone LE cos it always turns out to be the accuser who really would be the LE officer ok I'm not having a go at you I'm just stating the obvious out of experience ok cheers bill417 but I'm on no ones side here it may sound like it but I'm not ok
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Doesn't matter whether it's true, false, pulled out of his rear end after having a large cup of tea this morning...
The simple fact of the matter is that the very IDEA of asking for personal (bank) details, or giving them, or paying that way, is wrong.
On this site, you're mostly buying illegal materials. If people are happy to do that by waving a huge white flag, saying "it's me, it's me", then fair enough. But as far as I and many other people on this site are concerned, masking our identity is very important. That's why my name isn't actually bill... This is a made up username.
The whole world SHOULD be told of any scenarios whereby a vendor is acting outside of the rules. Why should the public be told? Because whilst SR are making their investigations (prior to announcing anything), new buyers could be placing orders thinking it's acceptable to pay via Bank Transfer, when the escrow system works for most people, the BTC system works for all people, and how anonymity and privacy of personal data is key.
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Bill417 maybe you miss understood what I was saying this guy NSNS is not a LE officer is all I was trying to get across ok has anyone realky been and gone through NSNS feedback as tbe original poster of this thread said he read a comment stating the same thing about bank transfers ok all I was trying to get across was don't call someone LE when really your the one actually doing what LE would do and how do we know that any of the OP thread is true he could've had an argument been short etc etc the thing that peed me off was him calling someone LE ok when in reality the guy was trying to do him a favour and it's simple someone asks you to pay outside of SR it's simply down to you to say yes or no ok what he should of
done is told sr support not the whole world when in all essence it could be lies and nothing but ok do not call someone LE cos it always turns out to be the accuser who really would be the LE officer ok I'm not having a go at you I'm just stating the obvious out of experience ok cheers bill417 but I'm on no ones side here it may sound like it but I'm not ok
man you're not buying dildos or something. you are buying drugs through the mail and committing serious crimes. how the hell do you consider the OP LE, but not the vendor that is asking for bank transfers??? (not saying NSNS is LE by any means, but you just have seriously twisted logic) there is a reason we use bitcoins- for the anonymity factor.
i realize all it takes is a simple "no," but it's the principle of it. putting people in serious danger, purposely getting around SR commissions, among others. hes just a shitty vendor that gets complaints alll the time.
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I hear what you guys are saying I really do and I'm with you, but the whole anonymity thing is blown as soon as you buy btc from a vendor on here.
As I say there are vendors on here who sell product and also sell btc so whats the difference doing that compared to this anonymity wise?
He should be banned for a number of reasons, Ive said this for a while and he will pull plug soon and turn scam. The people worrying about LE as I say unless your buying your btc direct using fake details each and every time you buy your btc off vendors on here your taking a risk.
The first vendor I bought btc was called ******1 and used to sell all sorts of stuff and used the same bank details, the vendor I get my btc off now sells weed/hash so the risk is everywhere!
Unless you want to go direct for your btc with fake details sorry to say this but your anonymity went a long time ago, thats just something we have to accept, but for small transfers here and there considering your not the one receiving money then LE will not pursue a name on a bank statement for a few quid, can you imagine how much money, time and effort it would cost to track all these people down and for what? A few buyers smoking a bit weed.......Lessons learned all around here including myself and I imagine quite a few others who are reading this but I am not going to starting freaking out over a few quid transferred to NSNS, its pointless.
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This is a little Farmers Market Redux right here.
There is now a paper trail recording you sending bank transfers to a drug dealer. You have a good explanation for that?
Fucking insane. Why do you think we run on a cryptocurrency and a tor hidden service? It's not for ease of use.
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But that paper trail only matters if he is busted first. LE doesn't have the time to investigate every bank transfer to find ones that are fishy. it is an additional charge in these cases, not the way people are caught. You mention TFM. You might want to read more about that. Their bust was due to using hushmail for unencrypted business talk. the hushmail cooperation led them to the financial investigation that led to more charges. We shouldn't even be having the discussion about this side of the issue because it is not relevant to Silk Road. The dodging of escrow is the only part of it that is relevant. There is also no way for them to correlate a bank transfer with an SR purchase, but guess what could be correlated to a degree...Bitcoin transactions. There is still a disconnect though when buying your coins correctly. He could be asking customers to pay with good vibes only which are not traceable at all, but to use SR for the transaction, SR gets their tribute...end of story. That is what he did wrong, and to my mind, that is all he did wrong. Outside of SR, I have done bank transfers for product, and guess what, I'm gonna do them again. The bank transfer might add risk, but so does picking up your mail when it has drugs in it. What I will not do is meet a vendor on Silk Roads servers, talk to them over Silk Roads messaging system, put bitcoins in the wallet provided be SR, and bypass the purchasing system that allows the site to operate.
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Wow, this thread is frightening. Are you serious about defending the guy and making excuses for him? I don't care if it's fucking DPR himself - you do NOT ask for bank transfer as a method of payment on a site like this! Also, the fact that he is using the same account to sell drugs and to sell btc is stupid. Sorry to be blunt, but I wasn't expecting to see such ignorance from respected members in this thread!
The whole thing is ABSOLUTELY (and very obviously!) against the rules here, and the rules here were put in place to PROTECT buyer and seller. DPR himself affirms this kind of thing is unacceptable. It completely bypasses the escrow system AND involves a direct trail between buyer and seller via payment through bank transfer!!
You guys need to be wayyyyyyyyy more careful. This kind of shit is what brings these marketplaces down.
You do remember that this is an ANONYMOUS marketplace, right? And that that is what allows it to continue operating?
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i'm shocked at the level of complacency, naivety and outright immaturity of some of the people commenting on this thread. i don't know about most of you but i take my anonymity very seriously. mailing drugs carries many risks and the SR system allows us to do so in the safe environment.
i have no reason to lie, what do you want screenshots of the messages? i have used NSNS in the past (in fact he was my very first order) for 2 grams of weed, i FE'd and it arrived in good time... no complaints (except for the ridiculous prices)
... but asking to pay outside of the SR system, whether its bank transfer, paypal, WU etc. is completely unprofessional from a vendor perspective and could land the buyer in a shit ton of trouble. how could anyone think buying that way is a good idea?
unreal...
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Can I just point out that in no way shape or form am I condoning what NSNS has done nor am I saying that it is ok to pay vendors via bank transfer to save money, all I was pointing out was it is not worth getting stressed out about LE if you have used this method of payment with NSNS because if you do start worrying about this then the same could be said for all the btc vendors on here who also sell product, we pay them in exactly the same way so what is the difference in risk paying a btc vendor who also sells product or paying NSNS via bank transfer?
I personally wont be doing anything like this again however every time I buy my btc via bank transfer I am taking a very similar if not the same type of risk so if I got worried about the NSNS transfer I would need to get worried about all the other transfers purchasing btc over the last few months and so when does it stop?
Lesson learned...........Move on........:)
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all I was pointing out was it is not worth getting stressed out about LE if you have used this method of payment with NSNS because if you do start worrying about this then the same could be said for all the btc vendors on here who also sell product, we pay them in exactly the same way so what is the difference in risk paying a btc vendor who also sells product or paying NSNS via bank transfer?
The difference is that paying for BTC via bank transfer is LEGAL, even through Silk Road. It isn't illegal to browse Silk Road, only purchasing banned substances. Paying for drugs to be sent in the mail is ILLEGAL therefore paying by bank transfer is a really really stupid idea. I'd rather buy the bitcoins from the vendor then purchase the goods. It just isn't worth it to save a few pennies.
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all I was pointing out was it is not worth getting stressed out about LE if you have used this method of payment with NSNS because if you do start worrying about this then the same could be said for all the btc vendors on here who also sell product, we pay them in exactly the same way so what is the difference in risk paying a btc vendor who also sells product or paying NSNS via bank transfer?
The difference is that paying for BTC via bank transfer is LEGAL, even through Silk Road. It isn't illegal to browse Silk Road, only purchasing banned substances. Paying for drugs to be sent in the mail is ILLEGAL therefore paying by bank transfer is a really really stupid idea. I'd rather buy the bitcoins from the vendor then purchase the goods. It just isn't worth it to save a few pennies.
I agree, but NSNS also sells btc and other btc vendors also sell product so where does the risk start and finsih, talk about grey area's lol.
But yeah wont be doing it again and I can see NSNS shutting up shop soon and I imagine starting fresh with bank details, not going to worry about it but I would strongly advise sr members to never do this, I was foolish and naive and had only been a member for a few days, but when you can save money in these harsh times sometimes the temptation of saving money is to much for some members.
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all I was pointing out was it is not worth getting stressed out about LE if you have used this method of payment with NSNS because if you do start worrying about this then the same could be said for all the btc vendors on here who also sell product, we pay them in exactly the same way so what is the difference in risk paying a btc vendor who also sells product or paying NSNS via bank transfer?
The difference is that paying for BTC via bank transfer is LEGAL, even through Silk Road. It isn't illegal to browse Silk Road, only purchasing banned substances. Paying for drugs to be sent in the mail is ILLEGAL therefore paying by bank transfer is a really really stupid idea. I'd rather buy the bitcoins from the vendor then purchase the goods. It just isn't worth it to save a few pennies.
If you buy bitcoins from the same vendor that you spend them with there is no difference than if you buy the drugs with a bank transfer, but the real danger is to the vendor, who is giving out his banking info and selling illegal drugs to the same person who could easily be LE.
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If transferring by bank was a safe and legal measure it would be allowed.
SR is an ANONYMOUS place hence why BITCOINS are used.
Why the fuck would you want to risk EVERYTHING by paying a dealer directly into their bank!!!You might as well go into a school,start touching kids and then act all suprised when you're branded a paedophile!!It's bloody common sense ladies and gents:D
I for one congratulate the OP for this,because the Mod was right,this is the sort of shit that could bring SILK ROAD DOWN.
That would be no good!
*sad facccceeee*
Oh and Wretched,just wanted to say I am a follower of your posts as you come across as an interesting intellectual(no I'm not taking the piss:D) but sadly this time I have to disagree:(
COME FLY!!
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To all the people saying this is cool please do us a favor.
1. Come back and report on how the Controlled delivery went down, letus know what to look for and any tactics they used.
2. Let us know any info on the cops tactics, how much they know about SR and general intelligence you gathered from your arrest including what charges were brought against you. Was it a simple possession charge? Trafficking? Drugs across state lines? Any mail charges or Federal?
3. Do people still get raped in prison or is it more movie shit?
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You'd think they'd learn after they had their account pulled the first time for exactly the same thing. I am laughing but inside it's killing me knowing my line to the tideighim is gone : (
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dead. let's get this fucker buried :D
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I recently bought 1gram of "Blackberry Kush" off him, He said he had sent it on the Saturday but by Wednesday i messaged him to be informed that he had not yet sent it out and said he would send it that day to arrive for Thursday. When it came Thursday this is the "Blackberry Kush" he sent me
Http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/4667/img0406ip.jpg
Think he must have sent me Dog Shit Kush by mistake.... :-/
I Am ready when you are....
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When I see that many strains of weed for sale I can't help but get a whiff of bullshit/something isn't right. @Zdet unlucky with the strain, give Austinawayway or The Bakery a try next time had great experiences with them.
As a rule of thumb when I read a vendors profile and get the feeling that something isn't right I tend to shy away - a similar thing happened with someone called GreyFox. His selection and prices were superb - problem is he sounded like a complete psychopath in his profile. Several weeks later he posted one of his customers addresses on his profile.
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Agreed Scout, +1
Asking for bank transfer payment is totally unacceptable and should raise obvious red flags with anyone who has any awareness of security & anonymity.
It also raises serious questions about the motives, or intelligence, of 'No Sticks No Seeds'
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Wow this thread is moving quickly, gone from page 3 to halfway down p4 in the time it took to write that.
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When I see that many strains of weed for sale I can't help but get a whiff of bullshit/something isn't right. @Zdet unlucky with the strain, give Austinawayway or The Bakery a try next time had great experiences with them.
As a rule of thumb when I read a vendors profile and get the feeling that something isn't right I tend to shy away - a similar thing happened with someone called GreyFox. His selection and prices were superb - problem is he sounded like a complete psychopath in his profile. Several weeks later he posted one of his customers addresses on his profile.
Cheers for the recommendation mate i will take a look. i guess its my own fault to a certain point as i didn't really look much over the forums and just went in head first if i had looked i would have seen people having some issues with the guy. It was my 1st buy off SR but i am not going let it paint a picture of the site for me i just will just try with a different vender next time and hopefully this time i will get what i order.
Shame as i was really looking forward to trying some nice weed. There are only so many dealers around my area an its rare that one of them gets a really nice bit of smoke in so would have been nice to try some proper kush. I have messaged him about it saying how shit it was and i just got gibberish back off him. Calling me brother and saying we a family and telling me that he is always ready telling me hopefully we can sort this out. Whats to sort out he sent me the stuff its not like anyone else sent me it, refund would be nice but very doubtful....
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@Zdet98
Nothing you can do really, just knock it on the head for next time. I'm in the same boat as you pretty much - not many pickings where I am either. Been around for a while here buying it, you do learn a few things along the way, and would def. recommend this to someone relatively fresh-faced:
1. following your gut instinct every time
2. find a good vendor and stick to them instead of saving £2/£3/g here and there
3. Choose a vendor that only sells weed - just a personal thing, no offense to other merchants.
4. Make sure they have decent spelling too..I'm not exactly a grammar nazi but I'm not the one being trusted with someones address!
5. PGP goes without saying
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Following on from my last post i have spoke to Mr.No seeds again, he messaged me saying talk to me in a few days as i am having sr issues and we can try sort something out, i replied informing him i was not interested in doing any more business with him an was not did not want to have any more contact with him.
His reply was pretty much along the lines of you buy cheep stuff dont expect the best. I accept that may be true but I payed the price he ask for, for a product i wanted to buy. If he set name to "Cheep and cheerful weed" i would have found something else to buy and would have happily payed the extra bit-coins for it so he can try and make it seem like its my own fault all he wants but he sold me the shit weed, he said he sent a sample but that was the same as the weed he sold me.
Dont deal with this guy if he gets back on SR he is a selective scammer an shouldn't be given the privilege to sell on SR