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Discussion => Silk Road discussion => Topic started by: DaFuck on September 19, 2013, 10:43 am
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Since 90% of SR users are thick im wiping the shit off the last version of this thread to carefully explain why the below information is posted. This particular vendor has been blatantly FE scamming all of his customers for over 10 days now and SR staff have refused to terminate his account. It is the financial incentive of SR to allow buyers to be scammed as they make their commission either way. Their attitude is 'we warned you, if you FE is not our problem' but then openly allow scammers to continue in the face of overwhelming evidence.
If this point is lost to you then hike up your cheerleading uniform, SR needs you.
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MushroomMagician [http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/f0c0b76a7d] has been exit scamming all of his buyers by requesting FE for his 50% off listings and cancelling anyones orders who doesnt. The first account of his scam was posted on 9/8 on his feedback page:
Alias Hidden
orders spent vendors
10+ $1,000+ 10+
10d 14h old
1 of 5
review for: DMT Freebase - 1 Gram High Quality - 50% OFF SALE qty: 1 price: $10+
********SCAM was supposedly sent priority 4 days ago, I have received nothing.**************
Will update if it comes but I'm doubtful buyer beware
Below is the first page of feedback. There's 7 more just like it.
Prophet13
orders spent vendors
10+ $1,000+ 10+
5h 27m old
5 of 5
review for: Psilcybe Cubensis Mushrooms - BULK 4 oz Whole Dry qty: 1 price: $100+
Karma will return to you for what you did to these people.
anhedonicroue
orders spent vendors
1+ $100+ 1+
9h 26m old
1 of 5
review for: Mid Grade Weed - 1 Ounce - 50% OFF SALE qty: 1 price: $10+
Refunded without a problem, most assuredly scamming people who FE. Never FE!!!
a86sf98gh79fh79
orders spent vendors
10+ $1,000+ 10+
13h 51m old
1 of 5
review for: Acacia Confusa Root Bark - 8 oz - Great DMT Source qty: 1 price: $10+
Scam 100%
tony415
orders spent vendors
1+ $100+ 1+
15h 36m old
unrated
review for: Psilcybe Cubensis Mushrooms - BULK 4 oz Whole Dry qty: 1 price: $100+
Do not. I repeat DO NOT buy from this vendor. He is a lying piece of shit that will steal your money and ignore your messages. I made the mistake of FE. Don't FE and don't buy from this scumbag!!!! SCAM ALERT SCAM ALERT SCAM ALERT SCAM ALERT
qq1ww2ee3rr4tt5
orders spent vendors
10+ $100+ 10+
16h 30m old
1 of 5
review for: P. Cubensis Mushrooms - 1 oz Whole Dry qty: 1 price: $10+
Dont do it.... Just dont. I know its tempting. Trust me I know. But dont
module
orders spent vendors
10+ $1,000+ 10+
17h 58m old
1 of 5
review for: DMT Freebase - 1 Gram High Quality - 50% OFF SALE qty: 1 price: $10+
scam !
thatoneguyflyby
orders spent vendors
10+ $10,000+ 10+
18h 30s old
1 of 5
review for: Acacia Confusa Root Bark - 8 oz - Great DMT Source qty: 4 price: $100+
SCAMER HE HAS RUN HIS GAME AND IS STILL TRYING TO COLLECT HIS TOKENS......MOVE ALONG
rudeandcrude
orders spent vendors
10+ $1,000+ 10+
23h 5m old
5 of 5
review for: P. Cubensis Mushrooms - 1 oz Whole Dry qty: 1 price: $10+
Meh, idiots shouldn't have FE'd
Fac3man
orders spent vendors
10+ $100+ 1+
23h 57m old
1 of 5
review for: DMT Freebase - 1 Gram High Quality - 50% OFF SALE qty: 1 price: $10+
Never shipped my product! I got a refund but only after I sent it through the resolution center. Tied up my money for 10 days!
sfsc
orders spent vendors
10+ $100+ 1+
1d 8h old
1 of 5
review for: Mid Grade Weed - 1 Ounce - 50% OFF SALE qty: 1 price: $10+
package never received, ignoring all messages, and done to plenty of others. shoulda researched more before believing the price. oh well. hopefully you other guys catch on.
Here are some selections from his discussion page:
killerth2
orders spent vendors
10+ $1,000+ 10+
2h 13m old
flag
Scammed me for 2oz of weed. Took my money. Don't buy from this piece of shit.
Jackie Moon
orders spent vendors
10+ $1,000+ 10+
1d 6h old
flag
Anyone have a clue as to why Silk Road is letting the guy stay open for business? Seems they at least might want to pretend to care about the buyers and step in after the 10th or 20th scam report.
00100100
orders spent vendors
100+ $1,000+ 10+
2d 8h old
flag
"We will look into the behavior of the vendor in question, however, buyers FE at their own risk.
~SR Support"
IE: Support doesn't have a care, you FE'd. You can only get your money back via escrow resolution. Who's to blame if you cant? You for FEing.
Cold.
The real problem though?
The fraudulent positive ratings that the vendor is obviously cycling through with his own btc over and over.
seggitr
orders spent vendors
1+ $100+ 1+
4d 19m old
flag
How has this guy able to have 300+ transactions and at the time I ordered it was a 5.0 rating? He obviously gamed the system, but how was it allowed.
I'm going to go to the new site Atlantis, this SR site is obviously vulnerable now.
Jackie Moon
orders spent vendors
10+ $1,000+ 10+
5d 7h old
flag
I wouldn't hold my breath about SR closing the guy down. I emailed a Admin in the forums explaining the issue and how I feel that removing the edit option from the reviews was a mistake and the reply I got was "Now your only option is to warn others in the discussion section". No we will look into the guy or be patient as the report tool does its job just warn people here.
BallsTripped
orders spent vendors
10+ $1,000+ 10+
5d 8h old
flag
WHY HAS THE SR STAFF NOT SHUT THIS SCAM DOWN?!?!?!?
There are dozens of reports of rip-offs, and yet his listings are still up and people (mostly newfish) continue to throw money down the toilet.
This is absolutely ridiculous that SR allows this to go on, and it makes the SR staff look like they are complicit in this scam and are profiting off of it.
Come on SR, WAKE UP!!!!!!
phush
orders spent vendors
10+ $100+ 10+
5d 13h old
flag
I have to admit I am a little disappointed in SR staff for not shit canning this magician fucker!!!
But, if any of you read the stuff DPR has written, he tells you to not ever FE! He built the escrow system for your protection and you go ahead and FE anyway. DPR is probably laughing at everyone not using his escrow system:D
Hey FE for free shipping Guys!!!!!
Jackie Moon
orders spent vendors
10+ $1,000+ 10+
5d 19h old
flag
Looks like I got a little greedy and was scammed as well. Anyone know why Silk Road removed the edit option from the reviews? Seems to have taken away a good tool for buyers to update and warn people.
bry69
orders spent vendors
10+ $100+ 10+
5d 23h old
flag
Why isn't support closing this FOOL down?
Wow, those are some pretty harsh words, i wonder if they were all banned for 100 days too? ->
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=207418.0
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Silk Road is a multimillion dollar business that's heavily reliant on repeat customers and positive feedback as to engage their customer base, and allowing people to be vendor scammed either through selective scamming or through FE scamming would be absurd. Silk Road is in this for the long run, not just out to make a quick dollar or two scamming naive buyers.
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What happened to all the other, rather good, comments in this thread? I can only see one reply now, when there were a dozen before ???
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OP has another thread where he complains about SR "CENSORING" his posts.
Then he censors what we say about his thread?
OP, you are a faggot. (No offense to homosexuals. See Louis CK's video on the word.)
It is sad when I understand what you are trying to do but your stubbornness and self-righteousness are just too over-powering. Seems like you are fighting harder for your ego than spreading "truth".
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OP, you are a faggot. (No offense to homosexuals. See Louis CK's video on the word.)
lol - reminds me of the Southpark episode 'The F Word':
CLEARNET
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_F_Word_(South_Park)
So, did the OP actually delete all the other posts (didn't know you could do that?!) or do you think they deleted the original thread (guess, if they started it maybe they could do that) and then post the exact same BS in a fresh thread hoping nobody would remember the original?? Lame...
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OP may be a faggot but I agree with him here. SR does allow FE scamming to take place. I screamed and bitched and moaned about GoldMax requiring FE of all customers from day 1 and after 40 days of hundreds of orders and $20,000 of sales (I know based on his vendor ranking) with not one single package arriving he finally left. SR never did anything until they had no choice.
SR's defense of "well they can FE if they want it's their risk" is no defense whatsoever when SR's own seller guide forbides even requesting FE for first 30 days of vendors account and the sellers contract says if a new vendor even asks for FE they are to immediately be banned. Yet SR constantly is bombarded by brand new vendors doing the FE scam and despite them being fully aware of this SR does NOTHING. After many many instances of this I have only been able to conclude that SR likes the massive amounts of commissions these scams provide them with more then protecting the SR buyer and protecting the reputation of vendors as a whole.
FE does have a place though. If you order a $4,000 item from me with no feedback the only damn way you are getting that item is if you FE. For some buyers it is actually good for them because they are then able to get what they want, but requiring it of every single buyer (especially with brand new vendor) is unacceptable.
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Just don't fucking FE, I refused to FE for my first order.
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Just don't fucking FE, I refused to FE for my first order.
Yep wise words , I started off small orders vendors aren't so suspicous if they haven't got much to lose and the money still goes into escrow so not like it has disapeared.
I have never FE anyone in nearly 30 orders I might have to FE someone 7cents worth of bitcoins in a few days for a free sample I'm getting but I can take that hit if he runs.
My stats are now good enough for the value of orders I am making no one thinks I am going to rip them off.
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I see DRMda's point. From a vendor's standpoint, it is really their only defense from the buyer/scammer who far outweighs the seller/scammer. Drug addicts like getting their drugs for free, if they can, and will resort to anything to get those drugs. However, the only vendors that I ever FE for are long established sellers with the top rep's to protect. I really don't mind FE'ing for a vendor I trust and haven't lost a product yet when doing this. But I'd still advise anyone on here to avoid doing it at all costs.
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Just don't fucking FE, I refused to FE for my first order.
^^^ This, a thousand times this!
I'm sorry but I am reaching my threshold for tolerance for the whinging, the whining and the boo fucking hoo my coins were stolen by the mean vendor man when I finalized early for my ounce of weed because he sounded like a really nice guy and I wanted to help him out, or he said he would ship for free, or chuck in some extra, or some other lame arse excuse for giving up the one and only safety net you have when walking the SR tight rope buying illegal drugs from some anonymous person on the internet.
No one forces you to FE, you do it all by yourself whilst hopefully in full control of all your faculties. I have lost count of the threads in customer support from buyers easily parted from their bitcoins by one scam or another. I respond to each and every one with the same message, please do not FE.
If you don't want to get scammed choose your vendors carefully and stay in escrow, how hard is to do some reading (hard for some I know) and use the protections built into the site.
What amazes me more than anything is how people continue to FE when all the feedback on the vendor page is fucking FE FE FE FE FE! I'm sorry but if you miss that massive neon flashing red warning sign combined now with pages of discussion threads screaming scam then IMHO you really need to consider if you should be using SR at all because you are simply not getting it.
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I have yet to make my first order, I'm doing as much research here as I can first. I'm starting off with small/sample orders and will refuse to FE. If my order gets cancelled, I know now (thanks to some great posts here) that it's better to move on to a vendor who doesn't require FE than to risk it. Thanks for the warning, hopefully others get the message too.
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First of all, I have only FE'd on my first order, which was less than 100$. After that I wouldn't even consider FE'ing.
My thought process is kind of like this:
If I was in a situation where I already placed the order and he is requesting FE, I would need a tracking number for my package for proof of shipment (with at least 1 scan). The money's already locked up in escrow, and there's no easy way to get it back. Otherwise if he can't do that then cancel my order.
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lol i censored you didnt i, how does it feel
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First of all, I have only FE'd on my first order, which was less than 100$. After that I wouldn't even consider FE'ing.
My thought process is kind of like this:
If I was in a situation where I already placed the order and he is requesting FE, I would need a tracking number for my package for proof of shipment (with at least 1 scan). The money's already locked up in escrow, and there's no easy way to get it back. Otherwise if he can't do that then cancel my order.
First up not every vendor is out to scam you, unhappy customers are a pain in the ass and vendors generally just want to vend with as little hassle as possible. For your initial orders just buy domestically, avoid the risk of a customs seizure and build up your stats by finalizing promptly for the orders you receive,
The chances of a domestic seizure and incredibly remote so just pick your vendor carefully, maybe open a dialogue with them before ordering to get a feel for them and go from there. With regards to requiring tracking not all orders automatically come with tracking, you should discuss that with the vendor when placing your order.
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lol i censored you didnt i, how does it feel
LOL. Who are you referring to? You feeling alright?
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First of all, I have only FE'd on my first order, which was less than 100$. After that I wouldn't even consider FE'ing.
My thought process is kind of like this:
If I was in a situation where I already placed the order and he is requesting FE, I would need a tracking number for my package for proof of shipment (with at least 1 scan). The money's already locked up in escrow, and there's no easy way to get it back. Otherwise if he can't do that then cancel my order.
First up not every vendor is out to scam you, unhappy customers are a pain in the ass and vendors generally just want to vend with as little hassle as possible. For your initial orders just buy domestically, avoid the risk of a customs seizure and build up your stats by finalizing promptly for the orders you receive,
The chances of a domestic seizure and incredibly remote so just pick your vendor carefully, maybe open a dialogue with them before ordering to get a feel for them and go from there. With regards to requiring tracking not all orders automatically come with tracking, you should discuss that with the vendor when placing your order.
Definitely not every vendor is out to get you, I actually I FE'd with nevita on my first order, which was international and no problems at all! It was a good introduction to SR. Almost 1 year later now and 10k+ spent with over 50 orders I still haven't had any problems, and only went into resolution for extending the deadline. All you gotta do is just research who you're buying from.
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wow thanks for the false warning. Admins of sr are contributing nothing to this. Pretty sure in the buyer guide theres a warning on finalising early. Oh well, suck it up and learn not to fe unless you can accept a loss noobs.
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From the OP's last few topics it seems hes on the hunt for cheap psychedelics, yes FE scams are bad, but if you seriously fell for it then the jokes on you. Someone offering %50 off there products and requires FE? Yeah strong red flags are raised right there.
You seem like the most horrible person to trip with, the cheapest of all dudes with anger issues. I would not enjoy that experience as a psychonaut myself. Good luck on your future ventures on the road though, and keep your eyes open...... it's wild out there.
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wow thanks for the false warning. Admins of sr are contributing nothing to this. Pretty sure in the buyer guide theres a warning on finalising early. Oh well, suck it up and learn not to fe unless you can accept a loss noobs.
You read the buyers guide! you don't know how pleasing that is for me to read, I only wish more people did the same as you and yes you are correct there is a warning there advising not to finalize an order before you have received it and are happy.
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You read the buyers guide! you don't know how pleasing that is for me to read, I only wish more people did the same as you and yes you are correct there is a warning there advising not to finalize an order before you have received it and are happy.
But apparently you haven't read the sellers guide which clearly states that any vendor less then 30 days old will be banned if they request FE. Yet you guys allow new vendors all day long for weeks and weeks and weeks to carry on their FE scams.
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You read the buyers guide! you don't know how pleasing that is for me to read, I only wish more people did the same as you and yes you are correct there is a warning there advising not to finalize an order before you have received it and are happy.
But apparently you haven't read the sellers guide which clearly states that any vendor less then 30 days old will be banned if they request FE. Yet you guys allow new vendors all day long for weeks and weeks and weeks to carry on their FE scams.
Yes DrMDA I have read the sellers guide and all vendors that I become aware of that do not adhere to the rules are reported by me to the admins and your assertions that we "allow new vendors all day long for weeks and weeks and weeks to carry on their FE scams" is a gross misrepresentation and you know it. Yes some FE scams still go down from time to time, for as long as some people are foolish enough to fall for obvious FE scams there will be incentive to pull them.
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Business is Business! If they were too strict on vendors site wouldnt be alive. At same time we have accidently had a client or two completely refunded with replacements...so we support both sides..
On that note Admins,heros and others,,can we get some feedback,approval and advice!
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Just don't fucking FE, I refused to FE for my first order.
I dont know Im not a vendor, but I think not enough people realize that its important to finalize quickly, BC if you dont finalize, the vendor is out the money until you do. So if it autofinalizes thats a few weeks, And there been times where I def. was late on finalizing, BC the order arrived, so in my head I didn't care, and I never got called out for it which I should have, so I actually usually FE, for any vendor i've ordered from or has a year on here. I know how pissed I get if its not marked "in transit" 10 minutes after i order, and then I message the vendor with "HURRY UP", (This was a long time ago!) but when I actually looked at it from their view, it seems like they are getting all orders from brand new customers, (who probably are just as annoying as I was unintentionally), all I see are discussions from buyers with 1+, 10+ transactions, so Im sure they are taking their jolly time, hahahahaha
I actually have a question, how come vendors dont cancel orders more often from someone they might not want to deal with? Or message the buyer and say "I'm sorry but I gotta ask you finalize before i send out your order."?
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Just don't fucking FE, I refused to FE for my first order.
I dont know Im not a vendor, but I think not enough people realize that its important to finalize quickly, BC if you dont finalize, the vendor is out the money until you do. So if it autofinalizes thats a few weeks, And there been times where I def. was late on finalizing, BC the order arrived, so in my head I didn't care, and I never got called out for it which I should have, so I actually usually FE, for any vendor i've ordered from or has a year on here. I know how pissed I get if its not marked "in transit" 10 minutes after i order, and then I message the vendor with "HURRY UP", (This was a long time ago!) but when I actually looked at it from their view, it seems like they are getting all orders from brand new customers, (who probably are just as annoying as I was unintentionally), all I see are discussions from buyers with 1+, 10+ transactions, so Im sure they are taking their jolly time, hahahahaha
I actually have a question, how come vendors dont cancel orders more often from someone they might not want to deal with? Or message the buyer and say "I'm sorry but I gotta ask you finalize before i send out your order."?
Finalizing quickly and finalizing early are two entirely separate matters.
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i posted a thread about this about two weeks ago also...was trying to warn ppl before it got out of hand i spotted it was a scam right off the jump. as bad as it seems for DPR to not care (which i highly doubt is the case) at the end of the day u r warned sooo many times not to finalize before u get ur product that if u get scammed because u FE'd then i kinda feel the same way. Its kind of ur problem. as ppl stated above this place runs off of customer feedback and word of mouth, do your research before you buy and ask the community for help i mean that is the point of this place! as long as ur smart u wont run into bad vendors just keep ur eye peeled for too good to be true and always look for feedback. o o and again DONT FE lol.
i do think its pretty blatant that hes been scamming for weeks now it is kinda sketchy hes been operating so long. maybe a word from DPR would clear things up?
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Yes i agree you should never Fe, i have done it once & my ass was going all the time until it landed but in my defense it was a top vender with Fe only, i started my account then just bought things domestic or single nbome's & never had to Fe now got over 50 transactions so just do your homework on venders before jumping in, in this SR it pays to take your time, do homework/study venders/forums ETC & not rush & jump in or most likely could get burned Etc
If you are in a rush then irl is for you as SR is not a quick fix, coins/ bank/transit time its a place i can wait & look forward to quality goods usually a week longest is what i wait but have had longer & most have been quicker.
hope this helps some new members to the community & not be scared
Good luck & enjoy shopping.
WA
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Just don't fucking FE, I refused to FE for my first order.
I dont know Im not a vendor, but I think not enough people realize that its important to finalize quickly, BC if you dont finalize, the vendor is out the money until you do. So if it autofinalizes thats a few weeks, And there been times where I def. was late on finalizing, BC the order arrived, so in my head I didn't care, and I never got called out for it which I should have, so I actually usually FE, for any vendor i've ordered from or has a year on here. I know how pissed I get if its not marked "in transit" 10 minutes after i order, and then I message the vendor with "HURRY UP", (This was a long time ago!) but when I actually looked at it from their view, it seems like they are getting all orders from brand new customers, (who probably are just as annoying as I was unintentionally), all I see are discussions from buyers with 1+, 10+ transactions, so Im sure they are taking their jolly time, hahahahaha
I actually have a question, how come vendors dont cancel orders more often from someone they might not want to deal with? Or message the buyer and say "I'm sorry but I gotta ask you finalize before i send out your order."?
Finalizing quickly and finalizing early are two entirely separate matters.
Maybe it's time to implement a giant popup telling people what happens when they click the "Finalize" button?
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MM was doing a classic exit scam and it was clear as day to see, you cant really blame SR because they clearly tell you not to FE so that is your problem for doing so, dont get me wrong i FE and got burned so i know how it feels but you just cant FE period. that being said yes SR makes commission but there are also scammer buyers too so SR has to view the total picture....report the vendor and encourage others to do so as well and they will handle it, but never FE even for a vendor you used a thousand times you need to let the order arrive , inspect all aspects, than release funds, you cant FE for any reason cause you never know if the mail fucks it up too so its best to never ever do that, hope you find better vendors man there are legit good ones, just not many
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I'm sorry but I am reaching my threshold for tolerance for the whinging, the whining and the boo fucking hoo my coins were stolen by the mean vendor man when I finalized early for my ounce of weed because he sounded like a really nice guy and I wanted to help him out, or he said he would ship for free, or chuck in some extra, or some other lame arse excuse for giving up the one and only safety net you have when walking the SR tight rope buying illegal drugs from some anonymous person on the internet.
No one forces you to FE, you do it all by yourself whilst hopefully in full control of all your faculties. I have lost count of the threads in customer support from buyers easily parted from their bitcoins by one scam or another. I respond to each and every one with the same message, please do not FE.
If you don't want to get scammed choose your vendors carefully and stay in escrow, how hard is to do some reading (hard for some I know) and use the protections built into the site.
What amazes me more than anything is how people continue to FE when all the feedback on the vendor page is fucking FE FE FE FE FE! I'm sorry but if you miss that massive neon flashing red warning sign combined now with pages of discussion threads screaming scam then IMHO you really need to consider if you should be using SR at all because you are simply not getting it.
We'll just ignore this:
SR's defense of "well they can FE if they want it's their risk" is no defense whatsoever when SR's own seller guide forbides even requesting FE for first 30 days of vendors account and the sellers contract says if a new vendor even asks for FE they are to immediately be banned. Yet SR constantly is bombarded by brand new vendors doing the FE scam and despite them being fully aware of this SR does NOTHING. After many many instances of this I have only been able to conclude that SR likes the massive amounts of commissions these scams provide them with more then protecting the SR buyer and protecting the reputation of vendors as a whole.
Shall we?
Your responses are all the same. You willfully ignore anything that contradicts your beliefs, and spew excuse after excuse in spite of the facts.
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Your responses are all the same. You willfully ignore anything that contradicts your beliefs, and spew excuse after excuse in spite of the facts.
I had no idea that advocating for buyer protection and the integrity of the sellers contract is so offensive to you. And you apparently are incapable of reading as none of my responses are the same. Most of this site is comprised of responsible drug users but a few are drug addicts who have lost the ability to read effectively ages ago. I guess you are the later. And you bring nothing to this forum when you oppose the advocating of buyer protection.