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Market => Rumor mill => Topic started by: Flowski on August 18, 2013, 12:55 am
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There's a thread about this in most of the other categories, but this dude is for sure a scammer and someone needs to shut him down. He got like 50 transactions selling single valium, .1 BTH and other tiny amounts and not requiring FE. Then he gets pounds and pounds of weed, loads of coke, sheets/ books of LSD, ounces of 6-APB, and tons of other shit. On top of this his prices are insanely low, $15 roxy 30's, Pound of "high grade" weed for $1876.
It says nothing on his page about FE, yet when people order, he puts it in transit, tells them it's all packaged up and that they need to FE. He's up to 11 pages of FE in the last 2 days. Can someone at least suspend his account to see if those orders show up?
I'll feel like a huge dick if I'm wrong, but I'd bet my life he's a scammer.
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/a90545fe08/0/
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If hes legit it won't matter, if he's a scammer, hey at least you saved some people!
To me the setup seems a little bit fishy too but it could also be a sales technique.
We will see my friend! ;)
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i'm really hoping he's not a scammer cause i wouldn't mind getting a bunch of that brick to make hash with
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i'm really hoping he's not a scammer cause i wouldn't mind getting a bunch of that brick to make hash with
$3600 / 2 lbs of "top shelf" cannabis when Dry Season is in full-effect? There's a reason every other vendor's Lbs have come up from 3k/3200 to 3400+ .... This makes NO sense. It's a scam for sure.
Sales tactic... only if he's taking a loss. He's also not advertizing FE, just demanding it once people sucker themselves into buying and order. I have yet to see or hear about him cancelling anyones orders who asked.
He also claims he's asking for FE because of 'low buyer stats', so my first question would be, why is he promoting himself in the NEWBIES section if he doesn't want new buyers?
If anyone has FE'd for him, they were baited into buying the listing before they knew.
It's a scam.
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It's a scam. A lot of people agree with this.
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I feel sorry for the people who have already FE'd for him/her...Keep us posted!
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My Daddy said:
"If it's too true to be good". He was not the sharpest rock in the box. You know, I think he was my second cousin too.
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This dude is full of shit I think...I just had a look at his vendor page and there are some really large listings. He is also claiming to be getting over 200 messages a day and "that is why we may not write back to you" or some shit...yet only having 165 transactions in a month! Doesnt add up at all...Watch this bloke!
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*sigh*
Why oh why do people still FE? I mean.. I'm just at a loss of words.. Another sigh. *sigh*
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I placed an order then he sent me a message saying could i FE so he can keep stock up seems to have plenty & as only 40bucks would not re-up very much, so this alarmed me!! he placed in transit 2-3 days ago & dont have to FE but would make it up heavier if i FE, Transit 2 days yest & message 9 hrs ago said as above but will still ship?? transit meant it should o shipped 2-days ago?? so i said no dont FE so will see outcome & will update if i get or if i dont, silly me should have looked at forum sooner.
Fingers crossed though
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Has he been reported on the main site yet? If not then do so... seems obvious scam to me
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Most obvious scam to date, The guy hasn't even been here a month so I thought he is not allowed to ask FE.
120!!! People FE'ing in the past two days and the guy only made 170 sales, How people like this can be allowed operate is beyond me but perhaps even more surprising is how people actually seem to fall for it.
SR needs to make it more clear to new buyers about they they should NEVER FE unless they really do their homework on a vendor.
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Take a moment and report vendor. Fucking crook.
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Hey folks, past tense.. PlanetExpress was scamming. It seems that PlanetExpress was strucketh by the ban hammer.
Where do you get that impression, I can still order his listings as we speak
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Hey folks, past tense.. PlanetExpress was scamming. It seems that PlanetExpress was strucketh by the ban hammer.
Where do you get that impression, I can still order his listings as we speak
Weird!
I tried looking at the listings about 30 minutes ago, and all I was able to do is send a message. I then assumed the account was deactivated.
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Hey folks, past tense.. PlanetExpress was scamming. It seems that PlanetExpress was strucketh by the ban hammer.
Where do you get that impression, I can still order his listings as we speak
Weird!
I tried looking at the listings about 30 minutes ago, and all I was able to do is send a message. I then assumed the account was deactivated.
Aforementioned vendor account still accepting FE orders by the hour.
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I have great stats. I will do a good old fashioned order and tell him that I don't FE. Then we shall see what is u with this guy. I will keep you posted.
If he insists that I FE, or makes any promises for an FE, then he will be cordially invited to lick my nutsacks....yes, both of them.
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One of my fav cartoons is being soiled by this SHIT!!!
>:(
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I have great stats. I will do a good old fashioned order and tell him that I don't FE. Then we shall see what is u with this guy. I will keep you posted.
If he insists that I FE, or makes any promises for an FE, then he will be cordially invited to lick my nutsacks....yes, both of them.
Our silent guardian 8)
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Orders still rolling in. If I had any coins at all I'd buy one of those vikes for like $3, then FE early just so I can write on his page and tell people to stop ordering. It's crazy to me that there are still so many people that fall for this shit.
Kinda surprised he hasn't been banned or at least suspended yet. I'm sure many people have reported him.
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its sad how scammers nowadays cant even keep their fucking shit straight. obviously this fucker doesnt know how to lie properly and it shows as someone had stated "they say they receive about 200 msgs a day and yet have only done 165+ transactions" i remember bloomingcolor (anyone whos been on here long enough should be able to recall) that fucker pulled a good scam...motherfucker started off shippin out good avatar blotters, then started to sell low dosed bullshit. went away for a while, came back and ripped a whole bunch of people off myself included and it seemed the fucker was working on the scam for a year or so, not like this planetexpress scamming piece of shit who is a terrible liar. bloomingcolor FOOLED everyone and made himself seem like he was legitimate but in the end his true colors showed and went away with 10k+. whats even more sad is how people fall so easily for this bulllshit. i feel bad for everyone losing $$$ cuz ive been there man...anyway i hope this fucker aint a scam and if he is then fuck him and lets get that fucker outta SR by making a fuckload of scam reports (people who have been scammed by PE only of course)
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SCAM
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Is anyone getting recent orders?
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I dont think so. And I ordered some $4 hydrocodone and $4 adderall to see what he did and of course, he puts in transit on a Sunday, then asks me to FE and I have perfect stats.
Definite scammer and now I got $10 tied up for 20 odd days....
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My condolences to all those who Finalized Early to get nothing for the half the price of something.
:/
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The orders should come rolling in tomorrow but we all know how thats gonna play out, you may see a few say they got something. Maybe the little bitch cake amounts of APB. Those sheets and lbs of chronic arent gonna show up unless its him faking it out. That wouldnt be a bad ploy actually to build cred, he could just pay the listing fee and buy from another account and make it look like all is well on a 1/4 oz of powder and a sheet. Then one for x amount of oxys and a half lb or something which would spur people holding on thinking fuck it my money gonna be tied up eitherway and they just go ahead and FE for trusted buyer!! LOL I cant stand when people say that, the dudes done less than $600 of actual confirmable sales that were received. >:(
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Well, to be fair, he's only promoting himself in the newbie section because he only has like 9 posts.
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Scam ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh no luck ??? mods where are ya ?
just all report him guys hit that report button .and lets see how long hes allowed to f.e everyone before its stopped.
what you think 4 days ;D
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Scam ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh no luck ??? mods where are ya ?
just all report him guys hit that report button .and lets see how long hes allowed to f.e everyone before its stopped.
what you think 4 days ;D
News Flash: The "Report Vendor" button apparently does nothing(unless this has been fixed).
The best way to contact SR Support is: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/messages/send_message/104259
Please explain your situations, those of you being asked to FE should have already done this. Best of luck
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Have reported them to the admins for an audit.
Why do people keep FE for these vendors when they look suss as hell, I just do not understand it.
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Have reported them to the admins for an audit.
Why do people keep FE for these vendors when they look suss as hell, I just do not understand it.
Don't know, but I think serious ideas need to get tossed around by our admins to perhaps make some new rules regarding new vendors asking for FE. Any new vendor whose excuse is that they can't source or re-stock product without money from Early Finalization is a shitty vendor to begin with, imo. One, you're getting ahead of yourself if you're trying to make a profit on product you don't even have. Two, any old son of a bitch can take other peoples money on the front and give them drugs. Shit, if I asked for FE on my vendor account, I could just buy off other vendors and use my customer's addresses to have it shipped to, making instant profits, doing zero work. It's so dumb.
FE should be a privilege for 1 year, 300+ transaction vendors who maintain a 4.8/5.0 or better only or something, because as soon as these dickbags hit 35 transactions they just flip their policy to FE only, and get people thinking that every vendor who asks for FE must be trust-worthy. It's been a problem since this place opened up. You would think something would have been done to slow down to prevent these types of scams. SR does not encourage FE's but they allow newbie vendors to ask for it, so long as they have 35 transactions(which is not hard to shill while in stealth). No admin actively watching individual vendor activity, and whose to say these vendors don't have several legitimate buyer accounts to pad their feedback and sales count so that no "rules" are broken when they're 16 days old with 44 transactions baiting in the entire community with absurdly low prices and no mention of a 'requirement' to FE... then demanding they FE once they've locked themselves into Escrow.
Which SR Support will not cancel "because he's not breaking any rules" ...
It's a pretty flawed system. And I mean no disrespect to any of the admins, but how many times has this same scam been pulled off successfully? I've personally seen it about 15 times in the last year alone.
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Scam ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh no luck ??? mods where are ya ?
just all report him guys hit that report button .and lets see how long hes allowed to f.e everyone before its stopped.
what you think 4 days ;D
News Flash: The "Report Vendor" button apparently does nothing(unless this has been fixed).
The best way to contact SR Support is: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/messages/send_message/104259
Please explain your situations, those of you being asked to FE should have already done this. Best of luck
It worked for me, try again. they need to stop him accessing NOW in case he has loads of coins still in his account.
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Scam ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh no luck ??? mods where are ya ?
just all report him guys hit that report button .and lets see how long hes allowed to f.e everyone before its stopped.
what you think 4 days ;D
News Flash: The "Report Vendor" button apparently does nothing(unless this has been fixed).
The best way to contact SR Support is: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/messages/send_message/104259
Please explain your situations, those of you being asked to FE should have already done this. Best of luck
It worked for me, try again. they need to stop him accessing NOW in case he has loads of coins still in his account.
As I have posted before please pm the moderators reports of vendors that need a closer look, it is not possible for us to read every single thread on here day in day out even if we do give it a good go. Also do not forget to PM SR support as well as hitting the report vendor link.
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Scam ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh no luck ??? mods where are ya ?
just all report him guys hit that report button .and lets see how long hes allowed to f.e everyone before its stopped.
what you think 4 days ;D
News Flash: The "Report Vendor" button apparently does nothing(unless this has been fixed).
The best way to contact SR Support is: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/messages/send_message/104259
Please explain your situations, those of you being asked to FE should have already done this. Best of luck
It worked for me, try again. they need to stop him accessing NOW in case he has loads of coins still in his account.
It worked for you, as in, you got a response from SR Support saying "We're on top of it" ?
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So, I went ahead and added up PlanetExpress's Total $ amount in Early Finalizations(none of which have updated, or been received mind you):
5 x $376 - 1 Sheet of Acid Listings @ $1880
2 x $185 - 3.5g Ketamine Listings @ $370
2 x $76 - 1g Ketamine Listings @ $152
1 x $217 - 3.5g Meth Listing @ $217
1 x $61 - 1g Meth Listing @ $61
3 x $115 - 1oz Shroom Listing @ $345
1 x $1876 - 1lb High Grade MMJ Listing @ $1876
1 x $999 - 1/2lb High Grade MMJ Listing @ $999
3 x $163 - 1oz HG MMJ Listings @ $489
2 x $98 - 1/2oz HG MMJ Listings @ $196
12 x $217 - 1/2 Sheet of Acid Listings @ $2604
3 x $648 - 14g Cocaine Listings @ $1944
6 x $217 - 3.5g Cocaine Listings @ $1302
8 x $76 - 1g Cocaine Listings @ $608
3 x $286 - 3.5g BTH Listings @ $858
4 x $98 - 1g BTH Listings @ $392
42 x $15 - 30MG Roxy Listings @ $630(and how many people bought JUST one... ::) )
1 x $444 - 30G 6-APB Listing @ $444
1 x $195 - 10G 6-APB Listing @ $195
14 x $16 - 3.5G Shrooms Listings @ $224
21 x $17 - 0.1G BTH Listings @ $357
15 x $22 - 1G 6-APB Listings @ $330
12 x $11 - .5G 6-APB Listings @ $130
22 x $5 - 20MG Adderall Ir Listings @$110(Again, I'm sure no one bought JUST one...)
FOR A GRAND TOTAL OF: $16,713.00 (Not counting MULTIPLES of each Listing).
Good Job everyone. Another Rich Scammer...
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Oh come on guys that's literally the stupidest attempt at a scam I've seen in a grip and you banned me for fucking around and threatening a scammer customer while fucked up on klonopin within 10 hours. How long has this shit been going on?
Boo!
Social Darwinism...
Da fuq kind of shit is this?
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The total this guy has made in FE has to be over that 16k amount by now.
And no feedback for arrivals? Did he pony express packages?
I wonder do they stop him from being able to withdraw the coins or anything?
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Don't know, but I think serious ideas need to get tossed around by our admins to perhaps make some new rules regarding new vendors asking for FE.
We don't need new rules, we need SR to enforce the ones they have and stop sanctioning scamming. Read the sellers contract, NO VENDOR MAY ASK FOR FE WITHIN 30 DAYS OF VENDING OR THEY WILL BE BANNED! SR refuses to enforce this though. GoldMax had 10 pages of FE's from day one for 30 days and SR was completely aware of it and never did anything about it. SR sanctions scamming on this site. They make money off it. Consumers need to be cautious of both vendors and SR because SR is in cahoots with the scammers.
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Have reported them to the admins for an audit.
Why do people keep FE for these vendors when they look suss as hell, I just do not understand it.
You do realize there is a rule in place allowing this to happen... right? Shit I forgot you were getting paid off this planetexpress dude, why ban him right????
I just did the math and it would take 20minutes(american time) to stop all future FE scams.
5 minutes to change the rules on the wiki page
5 minutes to post it on the vendors table
5 minutes to post it on these forums
4 minutes to make a link to the changes on the silk road website
1 minute to give me credit for the ide ;)
Don't know, but I think serious ideas need to get tossed around by our admins to perhaps make some new rules regarding new vendors asking for FE.
We don't need new rules, we need SR to enforce the ones they have and stop sanctioning scamming. Read the sellers contract, NO VENDOR MAY ASK FOR FE WITHIN 30 DAYS OF VENDING OR THEY WILL BE BANNED! SR refuses to enforce this though. GoldMax had 10 pages of FE's from day one for 30 days and SR was completely aware of it and never did anything about it. SR sanctions scamming on this site. They make money off it. Consumers need to be cautious of both vendors and SR because SR is in cahoots with the scammers.
You are wrong. No vendors should ever be allowed to make FE only orders. Planetexpress has been a vendor for more than 30 days and most scammers are vendors for much longer than 30 days before they scam. Once again you are wrong and no one should take you seriously, because I've seen you making the pro-FE posts before and you're clearly a biased vendor worried about new buyers (or whatever it is you're worried about)
I do agree that the admins should have stepped on planetexpress a long time ago though.
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Scam ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh no luck ??? mods where are ya ?
just all report him guys hit that report button .and lets see how long hes allowed to f.e everyone before its stopped.
what you think 4 days ;D
News Flash: The "Report Vendor" button apparently does nothing(unless this has been fixed).
The best way to contact SR Support is: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/messages/send_message/104259
Please explain your situations, those of you being asked to FE should have already done this. Best of luck
It worked for me, try again. they need to stop him accessing NOW in case he has loads of coins still in his account.
As I have posted before please pm the moderators reports of vendors that need a closer look, it is not possible for us to read every single thread on here day in day out even if we do give it a good go. Also do not forget to PM SR support as well as hitting the report vendor link.
Well you guys obviously know now right? Why not suspend or ban him him? I started this thread in the general SR discussion forum because there was already one in the rumor mill, and this thread got moved to the rumor mill within a couple hours.
It's honestly not too big of a deal to me, I'd personally never FE or order from someone like this. I'm sure a lot of people used PE for their first buy and will be turned off by getting scammed on their first attempt. This type of thing just encourages scammers since it apparently works so well. This dude will end up $30k richer by the time this is over.
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Let's brainstorm ideas on why the admins haven't, at the very least, taken down his listings yet...
1. They're making money off him
2. ???
Only 2 I could think of :-\
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It sickens me that there are people who sleep well at night, knowing they are preying on gullible people and robbing them of their hard-earned (or ill-begotten) cash.
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It's beginning to look like SR is going to actually endorse scams...They have been watching this happen for over a week now and not a single thing has been done...Even if for some reason you could not ban him, surely they could take all his listings down...There is absolutely no excuse for doing nothing about this. They know that there is nothing that you can do about it, and they make money, so why should they give a shit? I'll tell you why...This site will eventually be dubbed a "scam" site and users will start migrating to the newer places.
I don't think that SR realizes that it isn't the vendors that make them money, its the customers...Let all your customers lose faith in you, then you just have a bunch of vendors with no one to sell to.
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You are wrong. No vendors should ever be allowed to make FE only orders. Planetexpress has been a vendor for more than 30 days and most scammers are vendors for much longer than 30 days before they scam. Once again you are wrong and no one should take you seriously, because I've seen you making the pro-FE posts before and you're clearly a biased vendor worried about new buyers (or whatever it is you're worried about)
What the fuck are you talking about moron??? I have nothing but pages and pages and posts and posts started by me asking for SR to enforce their no-FE rules. I have been more outspoken about FE then anyone else here since I joined 3 weeks ago. Your reading skills are as bad as your math skills.
I do hope you realize scamming vendors make all vendors look bad, including good ones like myself.
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Have reported them to the admins for an audit.
Why do people keep FE for these vendors when they look suss as hell, I just do not understand it.
You do realize there is a rule in place allowing this to happen... right? Shit I forgot you were getting paid off this planetexpress dude, why ban him right????
I just did the math and it would take 20minutes(american time) to stop all future FE scams.
5 minutes to change the rules on the wiki page
5 minutes to post it on the vendors table
5 minutes to post it on these forums
4 minutes to make a link to the changes on the silk road website
1 minute to give me credit for the ide ;)
Don't know, but I think serious ideas need to get tossed around by our admins to perhaps make some new rules regarding new vendors asking for FE.
We don't need new rules, we need SR to enforce the ones they have and stop sanctioning scamming. Read the sellers contract, NO VENDOR MAY ASK FOR FE WITHIN 30 DAYS OF VENDING OR THEY WILL BE BANNED! SR refuses to enforce this though. GoldMax had 10 pages of FE's from day one for 30 days and SR was completely aware of it and never did anything about it. SR sanctions scamming on this site. They make money off it. Consumers need to be cautious of both vendors and SR because SR is in cahoots with the scammers.
You are wrong. No vendors should ever be allowed to make FE only orders. Planetexpress has been a vendor for more than 30 days and most scammers are vendors for much longer than 30 days before they scam. Once again you are wrong and no one should take you seriously, because I've seen you making the pro-FE posts before and you're clearly a biased vendor worried about new buyers (or whatever it is you're worried about)
I do agree that the admins should have stepped on planetexpress a long time ago though.
I do not take too kindly to your assertion brodie, I get where you are coming from but I take exception to being accused of turning a blind eye. I report every single vendor I come across that needs a closer look and in the case of PlanetExpress I have now reported them twice to which I have been advised by the admins that they have been keeping their eyes on him for a while but they haven't broken any rules yet.
In case you didn't know the forums and market site are two entirely separate entities, moderators have no admin privileges on the market site so when we come across suspicious behavior by vendors we report it and let the admins do their jobs. If you have an issue regarding what you perceive as SR inaction in this matter I suggest you take it up with the admins and/or DPR as they run this show.
Also have you ever wondered why when the forums are lit up light like this re a vendor the FE's continue to flood in? that would be because the vast number of people who buy off SR never come to the forums so we can make all the noise you like here and most will never hear it.
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I've said it before and I'll say it again, If SR wants a feedback system that work's admins need to give up some of it's pride and copy the way they do it on Atlantis.
I vend there as well and never had an issue with scam clients so never have to ask FE in the first place, Buyer and seller feedback goes a long way as well as listing the price and id of buyer as it stops the scammer padding their stats with $0.01 cent items like it appears this guy is doing to keep the scam rolling.
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but they haven't broken any rules yet.
Haha...so is it now ok to sell stuff and not ship anything, then pocket the cash? The SR staff is banking commission on all this, if they weren't you can guarantee it would have been stopped by now....SR needs to stop making excuse, and stop this guy! Man up!
If you really don't think this guy is doing anything wrong, you need a better education...
I've said it before...it's starting to look like SR supports this guy, and his scams...At least you'll know why people start using different sites to make purchases
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Look at this feedback:
5 of 5 Silk Road's #1 Alternative: [CENSORED: scam link]sipw nm3j.onion/ 2 hours
SCAM lol.
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Newbies always FE.
My suggestion is a large black on white phrase on the main page of SR : "NEVER FE!"
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You are wrong. No vendors should ever be allowed to make FE only orders. Planetexpress has been a vendor for more than 30 days and most scammers are vendors for much longer than 30 days before they scam. Once again you are wrong and no one should take you seriously, because I've seen you making the pro-FE posts before and you're clearly a biased vendor worried about new buyers (or whatever it is you're worried about)
What the fuck are you talking about moron??? I have nothing but pages and pages and posts and posts started by me asking for SR to enforce their no-FE rules. I have been more outspoken about FE then anyone else here since I joined 3 weeks ago. Your reading skills are as bad as your math skills.
I do hope you realize scamming vendors make all vendors look bad, including good ones like myself.
No I'm afraid you're the moron. While you've been trying to make them enforce their 30 day rule (which doesn't even matter in this case cause the vendor has been here more than 30 days), I've been trying to make them CHANGE the rule so that no vendor can do FE only orders.
And my math skills are superior to yours.
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but they haven't broken any rules yet.
Haha...so is it now ok to sell stuff and not ship anything, then pocket the cash? The SR staff is banking commission on all this, if they weren't you can guarantee it would have been stopped by now....SR needs to stop making excuse, and stop this guy! Man up!
If you really don't think this guy is doing anything wrong, you need a better education...
I've said it before...it's starting to look like SR supports this guy, and his scams...At least you'll know why people start using different sites to make purchases
They look suss as hell hence my repeated reported of them.
Like I said take it up with the admins, they call the shots on demoting vendors.
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Does anyone have any advice about how to get your bitcoins back if you didn't FE and its being held in escrow? Is there a place to send a message to a site admin? Any advice would be appreciated.
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Does anyone have any advice about how to get your bitcoins back if you didn't FE and its being held in escrow? Is there a place to send a message to a site admin? Any advice would be appreciated.
How long have they been in escrow?
If after 4 days of paying, your order has still not been marked in transit, you will have the option to cancel the order and get your coins back.
If you have waited until it Auto-finalized, I don't think you'll be able to get them back.
I'm a noob here and just placed my first orders last night...hoping I don't ever have to mess with any of this...
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Its only been 2 days since I ordered, but it was marked in transit immediately after I ordered. So I want to make sure it is taken care of long before the auto finalize and since its marked in transit i can't cancel after the 4 days. Not sure what action to take next.
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Account appears to be demoted. cheers
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Its only been 2 days since I ordered, but it was marked in transit immediately after I ordered. So I want to make sure it is taken care of long before the auto finalize and since its marked in transit i can't cancel after the 4 days. Not sure what action to take next.
At 10 days you are able to hit resolve. SR admins may just refund everyone in escrow their money by then.
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The ban hammer has hit! His page is gone! All you get is the message board. I feel sorry for all the folks who did not use the best of judgment for the sake of a low price--like lemmings over the cliff. Who knows, he might yet get some packages out and come back up, but now that they pulled the plug it's gonna be much easier for him to just say "fuck it" and not get anything out. Catch-22 there. I'll bet he got at least 50K. Tidy little sum.
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You are wrong. No vendors should ever be allowed to make FE only orders. Planetexpress has been a vendor for more than 30 days and most scammers are vendors for much longer than 30 days before they scam. Once again you are wrong and no one should take you seriously, because I've seen you making the pro-FE posts before and you're clearly a biased vendor worried about new buyers (or whatever it is you're worried about)
What the fuck are you talking about moron??? I have nothing but pages and pages and posts and posts started by me asking for SR to enforce their no-FE rules. I have been more outspoken about FE then anyone else here since I joined 3 weeks ago. Your reading skills are as bad as your math skills.
I do hope you realize scamming vendors make all vendors look bad, including good ones like myself.
No I'm afraid you're the moron. While you've been trying to make them enforce their 30 day rule (which doesn't even matter in this case cause the vendor has been here more than 30 days), I've been trying to make them CHANGE the rule so that no vendor can do FE only orders.
And my math skills are superior to yours.
Brodie, what have you done to 'try to make them change the rule' ?
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The ban hammer has hit! His page is gone! All you get is the message board. I feel sorry for all the folks who did not use the best of judgment for the sake of a low price--like lemmings over the cliff. Who knows, he might yet get some packages out and come back up, but now that they pulled the plug it's gonna be much easier for him to just say "fuck it" and not get anything out. Catch-22 there. I'll bet he got at least 50K. Tidy little sum.
Nobody stopped to notice that for each of his listings, he'd show a tiny piece of product regardless of weight of the listing. Where most legit dealers will have some picture of a pile of product next to something to give a size reference. This dude's BTH listings went from .1-7 grams I think? Listings for every increment in between you could think of (even though he sold by the point). Picture for each listing was what looked like one pretty tiny piece of BTH sitting on top of his blurry-ass "Planet Express" logo, zoomed in to look as big as possible, with no way to reference size.
Sucks that anyone got took like that.
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I'm sorry.. but the first 5 or 6 guys who FE'd for this douchebag are victims. But guy 7 - 250? NOT VICTIMS. IDIOTS.
Seriously, just fucking seriously people. I'm at a point where the next FE scam I see I'm going to request SR ban the FE'rs and impose an imeddiate IQ Test at the Signup page for Silk Road.
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i cant wait for the next scamm..i have my review already;
5/5 did not receive anything yet , vendor not real yet, but will FE for trusted vendor when hey are ready. Will update when it never arrives. ;D. Thanks, will order again. ;)
I bet they have great drugs, I will post my imaginary trip once i realize it never came. :P
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I'm sorry.. but the first 5 or 6 guys who FE'd for this douchebag are victims. But guy 7 - 250? NOT VICTIMS. IDIOTS.
Seriously, just fucking seriously people. I'm at a point where the next FE scam I see I'm going to request SR ban the FE'rs and impose an imeddiate IQ Test at the Signup page for Silk Road.
Best response yet.
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Apparently I am a moron. I don't disagree with this notion. But when I FE'ed to PlanetExpress, it felt legit - I can't remember what all I looked at, but his FE message was a pretty good piece of social engineering - made me feel like I had done something wrong (not have enough feedback), so I felt guilty and thought "oh this guy has all these good reviews, I can risk $17." I remember reading a couple pages of reviews, and I didn't see many FE's, so I guess I was one of the first. This was
Now I feel stupid. But alas, $17 is actually a really great price to learn a lesson that could potentially save a lot more money one day. So I'll take it as my initiation or something. This was back on the 18th, I think.
Oh well, lesson learned. I can still go back and edit my feedback at least. That's closure enough for me.
I hate that I fell for it, but at least I'll be preaching about never FE'ing from here on out ::)
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I'm sorry.. but the first 5 or 6 guys who FE'd for this douchebag are victims. But guy 7 - 250? NOT VICTIMS. IDIOTS.
Seriously, just fucking seriously people. I'm at a point where the next FE scam I see I'm going to request SR ban the FE'rs and impose an imeddiate IQ Test at the Signup page for Silk Road.
^^ ha. I agree!
I remember one time about a year ago there was a guy on here, forget his name, but he apparently FE'd for this vendor based on their feedback and a 1 yr+ membership, but then after he did he posted saying "No one order from this guy until I receive my order" and "I don't feel right about this, I regret FE'ing already..."
Of course 30+ more people FE'd, and it was a shit show. Wish I could find that thread. The dude was like, "IDIOTS!!! I WAS YOUR GUINEA PIG!! WTF"
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If it's any consolation I had a hooker steal $5,000 cash from me last month. I am a smart guy but for some reason women dumb me down pretty good.
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Was this in Atlantic City?!?!
Dude. That just brought back a VERY bad memory. Something exactly similar happened to me. Wasn't $5k though.. more like $3k, but still.
If it's any consolation, it was 2 hookers though. :-\
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Was this in Atlantic City?!?!
Dude. That just brought back a VERY bad memory. Something exactly similar happened to me. Wasn't $5k though.. more like $3k, but still.
If it's any consolation, it was 2 hookers though. :-\
I've never fucked a hooker; but of all the places I've seen them... Atlantic City hookers are some of the NASTIEST I've ever seen.
I will the few European countries I've been to where prostitution was Legal had some of the best looking women working the streets! Never been tempted til I went to Germany and Holland. You could wind up in a torture chamber over some of those women... easily... :P
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You are wrong. No vendors should ever be allowed to make FE only orders. Planetexpress has been a vendor for more than 30 days and most scammers are vendors for much longer than 30 days before they scam. Once again you are wrong and no one should take you seriously, because I've seen you making the pro-FE posts before and you're clearly a biased vendor worried about new buyers (or whatever it is you're worried about)
What the fuck are you talking about moron??? I have nothing but pages and pages and posts and posts started by me asking for SR to enforce their no-FE rules. I have been more outspoken about FE then anyone else here since I joined 3 weeks ago. Your reading skills are as bad as your math skills.
I do hope you realize scamming vendors make all vendors look bad, including good ones like myself.
No I'm afraid you're the moron. While you've been trying to make them enforce their 30 day rule (which doesn't even matter in this case cause the vendor has been here more than 30 days), I've been trying to make them CHANGE the rule so that no vendor can do FE only orders.
And my math skills are superior to yours.
Brodie, what have you done to 'try to make them change the rule' ?
I've made threads and pm'd people about... there's not much I can do when I don't have a big following. The admins just ignore me cause they know I'm right but don't want the FE scams to stop cause it would be less money in their pockets.
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The admins just ignore me cause they know I'm right but don't want the FE scams to stop cause it would be less money in their pockets.
Or the admins ignore you because you say ignorant things like that. ^
If people stopped Finalizing Early for "trusted strangers" then there would be no scams. SR Admins do not Finalize your orders for you in these scams; people Finalize Early at their own volition!
Could SR Admins do more to prevent these scams? Yes, but at the cost of looking like Nazis. You either want a free market, or you don't. And it sounds like you don't. No one asks us to buy from a suspicious vendor with cheap listings except for our own greed...
I feel that SR needs to take a better stance on the Cancellation aspect. From another account I've been working on a feature request that you all may very well see come to fruition. :)
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EXACTLY.
The "admins" are not neglecting to stop FE scams because it fills money in their pockets! That's outrageous. It's not in the admins' or Silk Roads interests to make money off of FE scams. Secondly, the "admins" you refer too.. are not the forum moderators. I think there's a lot of confusion around here about that. The moderators on the forum are NOT the same admins on the main site who demote/ban/suspend vendor accounts! All they can do is pass the information on, and I know all of the moderators work their ass off and will pass any information of scams on immediately.
Secondly, at the end of the day, it's not the moderators/admins/DPR/ OR EVEN THE SCAMMING VENDORS FAULT if you FE. Nope. It's YOUR fault and YOUR fault only for Finalizing Early. It doesn't matter what the vendor promises, what their reputation is, what their score is, what their feedback says. It doesn't matter if the vendor is fucking Mother Theresa. IF YOU FE, you can't complain or be upset when you get fucked over (which you will).
I hope more people FE. I want people to FE and be burned every day. I want a few days of massive FE scams to go on, because what that will do is purge us of all the IDIOTS who FE/get ripped off and come here to cry. Then, slowly but surely, the collective IQ level of SR/Sr Forum will rise and we will all be much better for it.
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The Silk Road's position is that you should not FE and that you should instead use the escrow system.
Blaming the staff because people go against their advice and bypass the escrow system makes no sense at all.
It would be counter productive for the staff to try to stop people from FE'ing when they want to. Freedom is the freedom to do something stupid.
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The Silk Road's position is that you should not FE and that you should instead use the escrow system.
Blaming the staff because people go against their advice and bypass the escrow system makes no sense at all.
It would be counter productive for the staff to try to stop people from FE'ing when they want to. Freedom is the freedom to do something stupid.
I didn't FE but now my money's been locked up in an obvious scammer's account for two weeks now. That is an administrative failure, as I see it. I'd have ordered from you already if my money was refunded. Instead, it's now too late to get it in time for my travels and there's less money flowing in to legitimate vendors such as yourself as a result.
I agree that getting scammed by FE is simply user error. But there's more to this issue than that.
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The Silk Road's position is that you should not FE and that you should instead use the escrow system.
Blaming the staff because people go against their advice and bypass the escrow system makes no sense at all.
It would be counter productive for the staff to try to stop people from FE'ing when they want to. Freedom is the freedom to do something stupid.
I didn't FE but now my money's been locked up in an obvious scammer's account for two weeks now. That is an administrative failure, as I see it. I'd have ordered from you already if my money was refunded. Instead, it's now too late to get it in time for my travels and there's less money flowing in to legitimate vendors such as yourself as a result.
I agree that getting scammed by FE is simply user error. But there's more to this issue than that.
Considering the vendor was only banned a few days ago how have your funds been locked up for two weeks and how is that an administrative failure?
Seriously I never cease to be amazed by the attitude of some people, you are buying illegal drugs off the internet for fucks sake, am I the only one who is still amazed that you can take your order in resolution and get a refund if it doesn't arrive or there is an issue with the vendor?
I am sorry for those who got scammed, I really am but anyone who FE for this vendor gave up their protection as soon as they released the funds from escrow.
Anyway I have been pressing the FE issue with DPR this week and he has agreed to bring this to the community for discussion soon once the new rating and review overhaul has bedded down so watch this space.
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The Silk Road's position is that you should not FE and that you should instead use the escrow system.
Blaming the staff because people go against their advice and bypass the escrow system makes no sense at all.
It would be counter productive for the staff to try to stop people from FE'ing when they want to. Freedom is the freedom to do something stupid.
I didn't FE but now my money's been locked up in an obvious scammer's account for two weeks now. That is an administrative failure, as I see it. I'd have ordered from you already if my money was refunded. Instead, it's now too late to get it in time for my travels and there's less money flowing in to legitimate vendors such as yourself as a result.
I agree that getting scammed by FE is simply user error. But there's more to this issue than that.
Considering the vendor was only banned a few days ago how have your funds been locked up for two weeks and how is that an administrative failure?
I ordered 12 days ago, mere minutes after his LSD listings went up. I just happened across the post, saw pages and pages of non-FE 6-APB successful orders, and thought I hit the jackpot on a new LSD vendor with introductory prices. He let it sit in processing until last minute so he could catch as many people as possible. Then he waited another day or so after marking in transit before sending out FE messages. I said 'refund my money immediately, I do not FE' and he said that it wasn't required and that he "shipped" it.
I immediately reported the vendor and messaged admins, no reply, no action until, what, 7 days later? After dozens and dozens of reports?
Seriously I never cease to be amazed by the attitude of some people, you are buying illegal drugs off the internet for fucks sake, am I the only one who is still amazed that you can take your order in resolution and get a refund if it doesn't arrive or there is an issue with the vendor?
I am sorry for those who got scammed, I really am but anyone who FE for this vendor gave up their protection as soon as they released the funds from escrow.
Anyway I have been pressing the FE issue with DPR this week and he has agreed to bring this to the community for discussion soon once the new rating and review overhaul has bedded down so watch this space.
SR is totally amazing. I'm blown away by the forethought in a lot of the systems in place here. Unfortunately the response to scammers is not one of those well thought out systems. Or at least, the current implementation is ineffectual. For me, the novelty of buying drugs online has worn off, it's just a regular part of my life now. And as more and more viable competitives to SR pop up, SR has to work to justify the relatively high vendor fees and commission fees associated with the site.
I don't think there's any reason to allow for FE, but I don't particularly care about it one way or another because, as Tessellated says, it's the free market and if people and if people want to FE that's their deal. This was the first time I've experienced a vendor make no mention of FE, and then post-order, request FE. This should be a bannable offense. It wastes time and money of everybody involved and there is absolutely no justification for it. It ensures I will not see my coins or a product for multiple weeks at least. Vendors will continue to leverage this fact for thousands and thousands of dollars of FE sales from gullible buyers, tainting the buyer stats of people smart enough to wait for resolution, and tainting the default reputation of new sellers.
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all this discussion and what it boils down to is all those dumb ass's FE'd a vendor who was clearly scamming...That's all there was, nothing more nothing less. the system is not broken...there are just a whole mess of stupid dumb ass drug users on here that don't have a fucking clue. Go on ...
go look on the SR...they still FEing......this shit will always happen and continue to happen...as long as there are people . your going to have stupid ones mixed in.
FE is like playing Russian roulette with all the bullets in the gun and think you have a chance. :o
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Now I feel stupid. But alas, $17 is actually a really great price to learn a lesson that could potentially save a lot more money one day. So I'll take it as my initiation or something. This was back on the 18th, I think.
$17? Cheapest fucking lesson ever. Be happy you got discount.
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What is it thta you guys don't understand? You say its not the admins fault there are FE scams, but the admins are the ones that made and enforce the "you can FE scam people after 30 days" rule (obviously this isn't exactly what the rule states but it might as well)... it would take 5 min to Erase that rule and inform all the vendor. I still haven't heard one good reason why that rule should be in place, except vendors saying "I don't want to get scammed by new buyers" but in reality the admins will sire with a reputable vendor way before a new buyer.
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Was this in Atlantic City?!?!
Dude. That just brought back a VERY bad memory. Something exactly similar happened to me. Wasn't $5k though.. more like $3k, but still.
If it's any consolation, it was 2 hookers though. :-\
the hell man...with that kind of coin go to san fran and you can bang some really hot strippers right in the club.. for $500
if you want the best time in the world go to del ray in CR.....AC is shamcity
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For those others who actually DID receive their 6-apb, as I did:
Was it legit?
This was the only 6-apb I've ever tried. 150 mg.
I had a long, horrible and frightening reaction.
So be advised if you have not tried it yet.
PlanetFitness told me he had no complaints, and I've not seen any.
The overwhelmingly positive reports on 6-apb are what made me decide to try it. But it also came from a known scammer and was 1/3 the price of lther vendor.
I have no idea if my opinion of 6-apb (= never again) is accurate or not.
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For those others who actually DID receive their 6-apb, as I did:
Was it legit?
This was the only 6-apb I've ever tried. 150 mg.
I had a long, horrible and frightening reaction.
So be advised if you have not tried it yet.
PlanetFitness told me he had no complaints, and I've not seen any.
The overwhelmingly positive reports on 6-apb are what made me decide to try it. But it also came from a known scammer and was 1/3 the price of lther vendor.
I have no idea if my opinion of 6-apb (= never again) is accurate or not.
That was my first question, but I thought to myself... why would he send out 'fake' 6-APB to people he clearly wanted to have vouching for him. I said that to Wavelength early on in PE's Review Thread when she/he received some 6-APB as well(Wavelength said it was legit --I believe). But then again, as far as I know, there is no readily available testing reagent for 6-APB? Is there?
Then again, this scammer who keeps making these accounts and doing the same scam every 30-60 days has been at it for as long as I can remember hearing about FE scams. And every time they pull this scam, they try to hurt people in any way they can, namely by FE's... but also by locking people into unhedged escrow, and sending out packages requiring signatures. I would not be surprised if this vendor was also a honey-pot, not directly for LE, but for blackmailing purposes. I'm sorry to hear about your bad experience on his mystery powder he sent you...
Not trying to start a conspiracy or anything but a user named Uniwiz 'received' 1 lb of Trim from Vendor/Known Scammer = EJDirect, and had to sign for it. It's likely unrelated, but since that happened --I have not heard from Uni.
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^ thanks for the great reply. :)
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to be honest people, I am not sure why one would come to the road looking for freebies, cheapies and samples... that has s k e t c h written all over it
but I guess the scene is filled with fiends to be scammed and slammed
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to be honest people, I am not sure why one would come to the road looking for freebies, cheapies and samples... that has s k e t c h written all over it
but I guess the scene is filled with fiends to be scammed and slammed
Would you like a free sample of my very special Mystery Powder #53? It packs the highest of highs.
It's not even on erowid yet; it should be.
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i ordered one of his sample bags of h. i believe i was one of the first.. i wasnt impressed really but it was super cheap.
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Would you like a free sample of my very special Mystery Powder #53? It packs the highest of highs.
It's not even on erowid yet; it should be.
I think you are working for the shadow people and just trying to find my address to sick em back on my trail!!!
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What is it thta you guys don't understand? You say its not the admins fault there are FE scams, but the admins are the ones that made and enforce the "you can FE scam people after 30 days" rule (obviously this isn't exactly what the rule states but it might as well)... it would take 5 min to Erase that rule and inform all the vendor. I still haven't heard one good reason why that rule should be in place, except vendors saying "I don't want to get scammed by new buyers" but in reality the admins will sire with a reputable vendor way before a new buyer.
And the fundamental point you do not appear to understand it that SR is a free market where buyers and sellers are responsible for the most for themselves, the only protection you have is escrow and if you chose to not use it then you should accept the consequences of your actions be that unintended or otherwise
I am totally over reading about people finalizing on some bloody obvious scam then come crying to the forums bleating how SR has let them down. Did SR make you finalize? did SR make you chose to buy from the vendor with 10 pages of FE'd feedback? Did SR make you too lazy to read the forums first and see the multiple threads warning this was a scam?
No, you chose to do all those things all by yourself, sucks you got scammed but seriously you let it happen so own it and move on, I bet you won't FE again in the future though, harsh lesson to learn but unfortunately it is the only way some people will get it into their heads about not FE for anyone ever.
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For those others who actually DID receive their 6-apb, as I did:
Was it legit?
This was the only 6-apb I've ever tried. 150 mg.
I had a long, horrible and frightening reaction.
So be advised if you have not tried it yet.
PlanetFitness told me he had no complaints, and I've not seen any.
The overwhelmingly positive reports on 6-apb are what made me decide to try it. But it also came from a known scammer and was 1/3 the price of lther vendor.
I have no idea if my opinion of 6-apb (= never again) is accurate or not.
That was my first question, but I thought to myself... why would he send out 'fake' 6-APB to people he clearly wanted to have vouching for him. I said that to Wavelength early on in PE's Review Thread when she/he received some 6-APB as well(Wavelength said it was legit --I believe). But then again, as far as I know, there is no readily available testing reagent for 6-APB? Is there?
Then again, this scammer who keeps making these accounts and doing the same scam every 30-60 days has been at it for as long as I can remember hearing about FE scams. And every time they pull this scam, they try to hurt people in any way they can, namely by FE's... but also by locking people into unhedged escrow, and sending out packages requiring signatures. I would not be surprised if this vendor was also a honey-pot, not directly for LE, but for blackmailing purposes. I'm sorry to hear about your bad experience on his mystery powder he sent you...
Not trying to start a conspiracy or anything but a user named Uniwiz 'received' 1 lb of Trim from Vendor/Known Scammer = EJDirect, and had to sign for it. It's likely unrelated, but since that happened --I have not heard from Uni.
Uniwiz has not logged on since July 15, 2013, do you know of anyone else who ordered from EJDirect and had to sign for an order?
Always use addresses for SR orders that cannot be linked to you, those people lining up to send some brand new vendor their home address in the lure of a free sample need to have their heads checked, reckless stupidity that is fraught with potential issues.