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Support => Customer support => Topic started by: supershred on August 09, 2013, 01:55 am
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I reported Importer last night as I still hadn't received the product, by then he'd had about 20-30 FE's and a couple of others dropping their feedback to 1/5.
So have we all been scammed by him? If I try visit his vendor page it just takes me to a private message window, thanks.
(Big lesson learned for us if so, if they've been a member for ages with 100% feedback and request everyone to FE, don't).
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That vendor has been demoted yes.
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Thanks for confirming, and all the recent buyers who FE'd are out of pocket? Nothing can be done?
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If you FE then you go it alone and SR cannot help you. Once the coins are released to a vendor pulling a scam they are normally withdrawn off SR immediately out of reach, know the risk and own your decisions, why we keep having this FE debate I don't know.
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How come it isn't against the rules to request FE? I mean lesson learned for a few of us sure but all the vendors I've dealt with never ask for FE.
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How come it isn't against the rules to request FE? I mean lesson learned for a few of us sure but all the vendors I've dealt with never ask for FE.
FE has its place, everyone needs to educate themselves on the risks and take some ownership of their decisions instead of looking to blame others for the choices they make. It really is that simple, you know the reason I do not get scammed? because I do my research before ordering, if someone decides to FE on some too good to be true listing then they shouldn't come on here crying about it after the fact expecting SR to pick up the tab for them.
Sorry if that sounds blunt, I'm just a little bit over trying to make this point, my bluntness is not directed at you, it is foe the benefit of those who may read this.
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I know what you mean - as a general rule I never FE either as my first transaction ever on SR they requested that, within 2 days they were banned for scamming. Guess I just thought I'd make an exception as they seemed like a solid shop but guess that just goes to show not to trust anyone here due to the anonymity thing.
Hopefully this will help other Australians trying to find out Importer's status and their unfortunate loss. Lesson to be learned, hope we all take it on board and never FE again.
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Any vendor who only has FE options is fishy. For example I always had options that could remain in escrow. If you went with express your product would arrive soon enough that the 4 days of transit time would not affect me. Plus I can prove if your package arrives.
Like SSBD says, FE has its place. You need to do your research and never FE more then you are willing to risk losing.
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these idiots yous are talkin of FE is me ha ha, ow well live n learn, still new to this shit didnt even use the forums untill this went wrong for me , ill be sure to do every bit of reserach i can from now on but
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Hate to say it but my very first purchase I almost got scammed, thankfully I didn't FE and just had to wait out the refund from SR but yes agreed, FE has its place, live and learn :)
Feel sorry for the guys who had thousands tied up, COULD be valid for a supplier to request FE for large amounts but not domestically I'd imagine.
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Importer is a motherfucking scammer. I've been msg'ing with him for the last 2-3 weeks and the ordered 1g cocaine 1 week ago domestic (DK) where they still had a "crew" and never recieved anything. I was so stupid that i fe'ed and now the motherfucker doesnt answer. Stay away from this guy!!
and i dont really understand the mod. in here and SR.... WHY DO U ALLOW VENDORS TO FE???? STOP TALKING ABOUT people have a choice and so on . Well why do u even have escrow? Why do u have any security measurements besides being anonymous?
Try to protect your customers more by only allowing escrow for vendors.
If anyone is in the game irl or knows how it works dealing different drugs then all know to be a dealer u need money to invest and if u can't wait 2-3 weeks max. to get your money back then u shouldnt be in the game. So the shitty reasons vendors put out it full of shit..
Best regards
Bax
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Importer was outed as a scammer on this forum weeks ago - it was so obvious he was pulling a scam it astounds me how anyone would think otherwise and just hand over thousands of dollars by FE. Anyway a simple forum search would have been all that was needed to find this out.
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mdmafx,
The dude had 99,x feedback rate with a few hundred transactions... So u could think why should he fuck for 200usd when he has made 1xxxx usd?
The feedback system is completely useless on SR .. Many scammer has above 97% good feedback..
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Look at everything. I looked at his feedback and it was all for 1g weed listing he was selling in a different country. You really got to look at everything not just fake feedback. A massive red flag was the fact he was selling in Denmark and all of a sudden moved his entire operation to Australia whilst still getting O/S feedback mind you so he could get more for his bullshit MDMA listings / gram. A massive red flag.
Nobody imports bulk defcons to Australia and sells them for $20 a pop on Silk Road when they easily move in RL for double that... Finally as mentioned before a 10 second forum search would have alerted any potential buyer to the fact he was scamming....
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look, i think the feedback system on sr is far from perfect
vendors earn their reputation to 98%+ and then even a row of 1/5 wouldnt affect that
no, of course u have to go through last 5-10 pages of feedbacks to see the truth, but in my case
when i used a bitcoin vendor 'bitcoins' - he "sells" services for 0.00BTC therefore lots of people just leave 5/5 there even if they cancel a purchase, this also allows him to forge fake feedbacks by just purchasing from himself for 0.00 and leaving 5/5.
but even then, if the feedback system accounted only the last few weeks OR had some kind of weightened algorithm that would make LATEST feedbacks weight MORE than the ones from the past - it would be different figures at all.
something like this would work:
last week feedback * 10
last month feedback * 6
last 3 month feedback * 3
last year feedback * 1
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bobmarley i feel u all the way ..
The problem is that the scammers work up 95+% feedback with over 100 successful transactions then they start scamming, first randomly then all.. I go through their feedback for like 5-6 pages sometimes even more, but then i can see 1 out of 10 leave negative feedback which is something like package didnt arrive and so on. Well i thought that could be because of customs and so on! Nobody goes through 20 pages of feedback before they buy 1 single gram of cocaine c'mon guys.
Feedback is useless on SR! and they don't do shit about it
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mdmafx,
The dude had 99,x feedback rate with a few hundred transactions... So u could think why should he fuck for 200usd when he has made 1xxxx usd?
The feedback system is completely useless on SR .. Many scammer has above 97% good feedback..
baxton, I do not makes the rules I just work within them. The FE issue has been rumbling on since I first joined SR and will continue to do so and when you have been here for a while you will see it is just as easy to get scammed inside of escrow than out, you have to consider all the factors when placing an order and research the shit out of any new vendors you are considering using.
It takes months to hone your skills and know what to look for, as is the case with importer who seemingly just relocated from Denmark to Australia and had defqons that NO ONE has for sale in AU. If you overlooked those massive red flags and just looked at the feedback score then of course you would consider the feedback system completely useless, you only looked at one very small aspect of how this place works.
After 10 months on here I can spot a scam a mile off and my intuition has yet to let me down. Some people will never get their head around how this place works, you only have to look at some forum members posts where they seem to get scammed on every fucking deal they make, if you don't know what to look for you will get burnt.
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10 months using SR and like a dumb silly eager virgin i went ahead and ordered with Importer on Wednesday when he was (100) I of course like any silly boy FE. on $700....FuckMe.... on Thursday his stats went to (96) on Friday down to (88) and on Friday evening he simple vanished like a fart in the wind, now....what i am taking from this is that while i am here to deal with ordinary honest criminals....there are plenty of sharks waiting for fish.....SR told me take responsibility for FE. but why have the option especiall for domestic, why, as SR still receive there comission on each sale...they still make cash....everyone wins except me.....So, if i open an aussie account lo-key next month....use $700 again to circulate sales through me setting up multiple accounts as fake buyers by my own stock using to B to flow from my vendor to my new buyer so on so forth and after about 2 weeks of selling for real some weed maybe i will then advertise to sell meth and ship each Monday....getting fish to FE or maybe even experienced buyers like myself and look....importer had $14000 in FE...fuck me...if SR can clearly see that on forums and by messages to them that scammers are there and they know but just dont do anything...then here me...i have just told you how i will get my money back by using SR as a dirty scamming bastard myself...thanks Importer for showing how to get my money back....thanks SR for saying "no,no dont FE we dont advise that" then dont have it as a FUCking OPTION.....the more SR is on the news the more scammers will start coming in....see ye all next month....i now know that being a dirty scamming bastard is a viable option to retrieve my funds and make money.....FUCK YOU FOR LETTING ME DOWN SR AND FURTHER MORE FUCK YOU FOR DOING NOTHING ABOUT IT WHEN YOU HAVE BEEN TOLD AND TOLD AND TOLD AND TOLD
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Been on SR for 10 months and this is your first post?
It sucks that you were scammed but you chose to FE, you made that decision in full knowledge of the risks and yet you want to blame others for the decision that you and you alone made. SR is all about personal accountability and responsibility, SR sells a lot of things that if used irresponsibly can cause harm, if I bought some drugs and OD'd would that be SR's fault for being the conduit market place for procuring the drugs? no, the responsibility would reside with me.
The same applies to FE, more legislation, rules etc will not make this place any safer to navigate, there are safety measures already in place, its called ESCROW and you chose to not use them, you chose to FE.
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If only we could find out more on Importer ...
I think at the end of the day just make it a rule of thumb - don't FE. If a vendor comes on saying they require FE for everything and noone FE's then they've just wasted the $500 deposit and won't get any business.
I was too eager to get my hands on Defqons and that was my downfall, oh and they were $35 a pop minimum not $20.. I don't think many people would pay $40+.
Seems like if your after MDMA the best way to do it is order powder/crystals and cap it at the desired weight - at the end of the day I guess a 200mg capsule that you've filled yourself still has the same MDMA content as a 200mg imported pill.
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Samesame - How the fuck should i know anything about the australian drug scene? i'm in the coke game and don't know shit about the defqons so talk about red flags -.-
corcaigh83 i totally feel u ! I've thinking the same making a vendor acc. make false profils buy some samples and make up 100 feedback then start fucking fishes like importer did. Silk road dont care cause like u say they win in every situation by getting some comission.
They don't fucking do anything to make it harder for vendors to scam! They could require different demands from vendors like picture of each and every drug over a certain amound for proof and some other things.
The problem is SR DON'T DO SHIT ABOUT SCAMMERs. There is a thread in here where several high profile vendors are known scammers mentioned by name but SR still havent deactivated there acc. If u check their feedback all the posivive ones are from samples or small amounts. not 1 good feedback from bulk. Always negative but they dont deactivate their account. Shit site, mb atlantis better
SR COULD MAKE A RULE THAT IF U ASK FOR FE = BAN, that way many scamming vendors wouldnt stay on SR for long...
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Faking feedback with shill buyer accounts stands out a mile to the admins when they audit vendors. I have to say reading posts like yours where you openly discuss your plans for doing this to scam people is pretty sad really and I am sure others reading this won't take too kindly to reading about it either.
We are all in the same boat on SR, we all have to run the gauntlet of potential scams, shitty product etc but I personally don't have many issues on here and I certainly do not fall for FE scams, ever.
No offense but if you are getting burnt regularly you are doing something wrong.
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Samesame - How the fuck should i know anything about the australian drug scene? i'm in the coke game and don't know shit about the defqons so talk about red flags -.-
corcaigh83 i totally feel u ! I've thinking the same making a vendor acc. make false profils buy some samples and make up 100 feedback then start fucking fishes like importer did. Silk road dont care cause like u say they win in every situation by getting some comission.
They don't fucking do anything to make it harder for vendors to scam! They could require different demands from vendors like picture of each and every drug over a certain amound for proof and some other things.
The problem is SR DON'T DO SHIT ABOUT SCAMMERs. There is a thread in here where several high profile vendors are known scammers mentioned by name but SR still havent deactivated there acc. If u check their feedback all the posivive ones are from samples or small amounts. not 1 good feedback from bulk. Always negative but they dont deactivate their account. Shit site, mb atlantis better
SR COULD MAKE A RULE THAT IF U ASK FOR FE = BAN, that way many scamming vendors wouldnt stay on SR for long...
Bro, Silk Road tell you at every opportunity DO NOT FE AS IF YOU DO WE CANT HELP YOU!!!!
If you are going to FE make sure that you can afford to lose the money if your product doesn't arrive, not sure what else they can do.
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samebutsame, cant remember your name, but, yes, 10 months and only one post, why does that fucking matter?, lets have it right, if you ordered and OD on a product would you blame SR, no fucking way, but, at least you would get your fucking drugs....my point is this.....DPR and the SR team take no responsibility for scammers and after reading and reading forum posts about scammers still take no responsibility, i mean $25million a year aint much of a fucking turnover...but, its still a business and such a business needs to clean house and be alert to the fact that people can and will continue now more than ever to rip people off, change the fucking template, show 1/5 feedbacks and there reasons, as one lad said who scrolls through 50 pages of feedback to buy a gram of coke, c'mon, obviously samebutsamesomething, you have left out the fundamental error that DPR and SR have made, allowing for FE when it is so fucking forbidden, and on the point you made about people being upset about my scam plans, well tough fucking shitty, if it happens to me, and this is the dark fucking net then why should i not do it to others, fuck all this good faith shit...scroll through this darkweb that you adore and you will find your kiddy fiddler sites and then tell me about your honesty and how i should not scam...bullshit, if SR was an office i would have stormed the fucking joint by now and got my money back......but label a scamming piece of shit for what he is and all i get is your pointless fucking dribble about not FE. The point is very simple you stand behind and take comission from every sale, knowing full well by reading your forum that the vendor is scamming people....if your so fucking perfect then tell me this....KNOWING A SCAMMER AND ALLOWING HIM TO ADVERTISE WHY DOESNT SR RETURN THE COMISSION THEY MADE FROM THAT SALE....SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY JUST DONT GIVE A FUCK
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I won't argue with you, you are entitled to your opinions and like I said I'm sorry you were scammed. I should also point out that I moderate these forums, I do not have anything to do with the market site so am therefore unable to respond to your question regarding the returning of commissions from transactions associated with vendors found to be scamming, you would need to direct that question towards DPR and/or the SR admins who run the site.
I will say this though, despite what you may feel I know for a fact that the admins who run this site do care very passionately about buyer safety and take appropriate action against vendors proven to be breaking the rules as set out in the sellers guide. If you have evidence of vendors scamming I would invite you to do what I and many others do and report it via the market site to bring it to the attention of the admins.
If anyone wants to continue this discussion regarding the vendor in question I would suggest opening a new thread in rumor mill or feature requests if you would like to request for FE to be banned.
Thread locked as resolved.