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Title: Symbiosis mdma not mdma
Post by: doom27 on August 01, 2013, 03:11 am
So i ordered an oz of mdma from sym, i had ordered before and it was good, but this time is is definitely not mdma. Anyone know what is up? I messaged him, but its late over there right now so that's understandable.

If someone could help me out to atleast know what it is, its a white powder, taste like mint or menthal, and a strange smell. I had already sold some of it and i'm just worried what it will do to people. One person called and said it seemed like k, but had a roll to it, i've been googleing and haven't found anything yet, and yes i know i should have a test kit... i plan on ordering one now but am going to a festi all weekend and was supposed to be getting rid of this there...

Thanks for the help and watch out.
Title: Re: Symbiosis mdma not mdma
Post by: Dingo Ate My Drugs on August 01, 2013, 03:19 am
So i ordered an oz of mdma from sym, i had ordered before and it was good, but this time is is definitely not mdma. Anyone know what is up? I messaged him, but its late over there right now so that's understandable.

If someone could help me out to atleast know what it is, its a white powder, taste like mint or menthal, and a strange smell. I had already sold some of it and i'm just worried what it will do to people. One person called and said it seemed like k, but had a roll to it, i've been googleing and haven't found anything yet, and yes i know i should have a test kit... i plan on ordering one now but am going to a festi all weekend and was supposed to be getting rid of this there...

Thanks for the help and watch out.
Maybe they send you the wrong product / order.
Wait for a response and perhaps buy a drug testing kit and see what it is.
Title: Re: Symbiosis mdma not mdma
Post by: PePinJeNek on August 01, 2013, 08:30 am
Yeah same here. I ordered MD from Sym which has normally gun gear, but
this time it had no smell and looked cut to the shithouse.

No mint or menthal taste though, just fluffy white powder.
It tastes like MD but without the annis smell.

I will trial this batch over the weekend and will update on the quality.

Hopefully he hasn't gone rouge

Stay safe!
Title: Re: Symbiosis mdma not mdma
Post by: pepomaze66 on August 01, 2013, 09:28 am
I have reviewed my roll with symbiosis latest white powder in here - http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=44468.msg1310595#msg1310595

It was definitely.. different. a lot of people on different threads are talking about this.
It had mdma in it but i suspect it was mixed. me and my friends had the same effects of anxiety, over sweating and very hard and intense heartbeats.
Title: Re: Symbiosis mdma not mdma
Post by: Dingo Ate My Drugs on August 01, 2013, 12:06 pm
I have reviewed my roll with symbiosis latest white powder in here - http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=44468.msg1310595#msg1310595

It was definitely.. different. a lot of people on different threads are talking about this.
It had mdma in it but i suspect it was mixed. me and my friends had the same effects of anxiety, over sweating and very hard and intense heartbeats.
That sounds similar to Mephedrone...
Mepherone makes your heart go very fast (especially on the comeup) and can make it beat fast the next day too.
Title: Re: Symbiosis mdma not mdma
Post by: fiendish on August 01, 2013, 12:43 pm
The fine white powdery consistency and menthol smell make me think methylone?
Title: Re: Symbiosis mdma not mdma
Post by: doom27 on August 01, 2013, 12:52 pm
yeah i don't know what to do at this point, I haven't finalized yet, sym messaged me back asking if i was sure it was from him, it's the only thing i've orderd that hasn't arrived and uses his packaging, he also sells Mephedrone, and i'm curious if maybe he sent me that by mistake? Does anyone know what Mephedrone looks / taste like?
Title: Re: Symbiosis mdma not mdma
Post by: Raoul Duke on August 01, 2013, 12:59 pm
i ordered last thursday, it turned up on friday looking as good as it normally does, then friday night i went balls out and caned about half gram of it over 6 or 7 hours (i am a bit of a monster when i get started). mine was definitely MDMA, same shit as i usually get off him. sounds like he mixed your order up.

meph has a nasty chemical stink to it, looks very crystalline powder if you get what i mean, like tiny little shards
Title: Re: Symbiosis mdma not mdma
Post by: doom27 on August 01, 2013, 01:03 pm
that fits it pretty well, very fine powder with tons of shinny crystals, but from what i've read it doesn't taste minty? How is this stuff usually consumed?
Title: Re: Symbiosis mdma not mdma
Post by: Raoul Duke on August 01, 2013, 01:08 pm
snorting it usually. or bombing it. snorting it hurts just as much as snorting mandy.

i don't think any drug tastes minty, it's either cut or been stashed in bag of mints or something
Title: Re: Symbiosis mdma not mdma
Post by: tango on August 01, 2013, 01:10 pm
Do we have a rough date/period of when this has been affected?
Title: Re: Symbiosis mdma not mdma
Post by: doom27 on August 01, 2013, 01:19 pm
i placed the order about a week ago, i have used sym before, and it was great... It worries me because his mdma listings are down now, i hope he explains... Lots of coins lost, and a whole weekend of money making gone ):
Title: Re: Symbiosis mdma not mdma
Post by: pepomaze66 on August 01, 2013, 02:15 pm
i ordered last thursday, it turned up on friday looking as good as it normally does, then friday night i went balls out and caned about half gram of it over 6 or 7 hours (i am a bit of a monster when i get started). mine was definitely MDMA, same shit as i usually get off him. sounds like he mixed your order up.

meph has a nasty chemical stink to it, looks very crystalline powder if you get what i mean, like tiny little shards

Mine was really fine powder. exactly like flour. no crystals.
My friend tried it as well - you can read about it here - http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=44468.msg1400738#msg1400738

This makes 3 people from this order that feels its not really MDMA.
Title: Re: Symbiosis mdma not mdma
Post by: Raoul Duke on August 01, 2013, 02:55 pm
sounds a bit like they're ballsing a few orders up lately :o

my 'review' is just above yours on that link... :P man i was fucked up, i don't even remember writing that
Title: Re: Symbiosis mdma not mdma
Post by: doom27 on August 01, 2013, 03:02 pm
did yours taste like mdma at all? This just plain isn't mdma, at the festi this weekend i should be able to find a test kit, i will post results when i return.

As of now i'm still waiting for a reply from him, if nothing happens looks like i'll have to wait out the rest of the few days so i can resolve...
Title: Re: Symbiosis mdma not mdma
Post by: Raoul Duke on August 01, 2013, 03:10 pm
think dooms talking to you pepo - mine definitely was mandy.

sounds like this thread - http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=193616.0
Title: Re: Symbiosis mdma not mdma
Post by: ilovethecolour on August 01, 2013, 03:23 pm
Ive come across this white powdery stuff before, theirs no need to crush mdma that much just for stealth.

Its an excuse to cut the stuff in my opinion, god knows with what

I had two ounces of it and luckily i offloaded it ASAP, i never tried it myself

I didnt have any complaints but most likely the people i sell to are just retarded

Symbiosis had his days, ive received little brown crystals and it was awesome.

His ketamine was good at one point and now its definitely been cut

I dont know what happened to Sym but his definitely lost my business
Title: Re: Symbiosis mdma not mdma
Post by: Raoul Duke on August 01, 2013, 03:27 pm
i got some great gear off him. i can't imagine he's turned selective scammer, seems cool to me
Title: Re: Symbiosis mdma not mdma
Post by: doom27 on August 01, 2013, 03:45 pm
If he cut it i hope he can tell me with what, so i can atleast tell people.

The biggest issue i'm having is the feeling appears to not be like mdma at all, i'm hoping i was just sent the wrong product, there is noway i could sell this as mdma without risking getting my ass kicked haha
Title: Re: Symbiosis mdma not mdma
Post by: ilovethecolour on August 01, 2013, 03:54 pm
If he cut it i hope he can tell me with what, so i can atleast tell people.

The biggest issue i'm having is the feeling appears to not be like mdma at all, i'm hoping i was just sent the wrong product, there is noway i could sell this as mdma without risking getting my ass kicked haha

Well you cant send it back so in my opinion you should do this:

Buy and ounce of real mdma
Weigh up half an ounce of real mdma
Crush it so its powdery but not too powdery
Then mix half an ounce of Symbiosis "UK 1st Class" "mdma" with the real mdma
Then add the rest of the real mdma in and sell it like that
Dont tell people its cut, sell it cheap and move on

But thats just me, everyone to their own
Title: Re: Symbiosis mdma not mdma
Post by: Joy.Raptar on August 01, 2013, 05:01 pm
Could it be a mix of bk-methylone and cut ketamine? I read on here some where that MDMA has been cut with K in the past? haven't had pure methylone before just pills that have it and i hate the feels methylone gives me. I can pick it easily and will avoid it at all costs.

Don't worry that your MDMA doesn't have that dank aniseed smell, I've rolled hard off stuff that smelt like vanilla and barely rolled of some that stank like it. There's an oil that people coat shitty pills with that smells  exactly like it, sarfol parasol or something along those lines.

You say it tastes like MDMA, so it probably could be..?
Title: Re: Symbiosis mdma not mdma
Post by: fakename709 on August 01, 2013, 10:18 pm
Yeah same here. I ordered MD from Sym which has normally gun gear, but
this time it had no smell and looked cut to the shithouse.

No mint or menthal taste though, just fluffy white powder.
It tastes like MD but without the annis smell.

I will trial this batch over the weekend and will update on the quality.

Hopefully he hasn't gone rouge

Stay safe!
Once in my life I smelled 10 grams of MDMA and actually it wasn't minty at all.
It was a smell I'd recognise today even if it's been many years since then. It was like "apothecary smell" concentrate. A really nice smell of a clean and tidy apothecary. If I smelled it again it had notes of perfume due I think to the sassafrass oil MDMA come from.
Title: Re: Symbiosis mdma not mdma
Post by: Dingo Ate My Drugs on August 02, 2013, 03:00 am
yeah i don't know what to do at this point, I haven't finalized yet, sym messaged me back asking if i was sure it was from him, it's the only thing i've orderd that hasn't arrived and uses his packaging, he also sells Mephedrone, and i'm curious if maybe he sent me that by mistake? Does anyone know what Mephedrone looks / taste like?
It looks different to MDMA. MDMA is more of rocky shards when the crystal has been broken down to mail it out.
Mephedrone is longer and thinner shards. Also it has a chemical smell that is stronger than MDMA. It smells like chemicals. That unique smell took several days to come out of my table from the last time I used it.
Title: Re: Symbiosis mdma not mdma
Post by: mdm4 on August 02, 2013, 03:57 am
I recently ordered some mdma from symbiosis, came as clear/white crystally rocks with no smell. Ive never had any mdma like this, and reading this has got me worried
What does the (actual) mdma he normally have look like?
Title: Re: Symbiosis mdma not mdma
Post by: samesamebutdifferent on August 02, 2013, 04:04 am
Buy a test kit and find out what it is, talk to Sym and see what they have to say, if what you were sent does not match the listing of what you ordered take it to resolution and ask for a refund. If you have finalized then pursue that ooe with Sym.

I would urge against passing it on until you know at least what the fuck it is because by the sounds of it no one has any idea at this point in time beyond speculating it could be all manner of things so I'd like to know what I was selling to people to ingest but that's just me.
Title: Re: Symbiosis mdma not mdma
Post by: Flowski on August 02, 2013, 04:12 am
Someone else just left them this feedback:


"shipping and communication was great.... product received was def. not ketamine as advertised. Ive been doing this stuff for years def something else...."
Title: Re: Symbiosis mdma not mdma
Post by: Raoul Duke on August 02, 2013, 07:35 am
I recently ordered some mdma from symbiosis, came as clear/white crystally rocks with no smell. Ive never had any mdma like this, and reading this has got me worried
What does the (actual) mdma he normally have look like?

i've bought Mandy off Sym loads and only once was it NOT exactly as you've described it. once it was brownish with a purple tinge, all the other times it's been clear/white crystals and every time it's been fantastic gear
Title: Re: Symbiosis mdma not mdma
Post by: Raoul Duke on August 02, 2013, 08:54 am
you guys international? from the other thread:

So the vendor has been in touch and has confirmed that the mystery white powder is....

















MDMA. Apparently they blend it in a coffee grinder when they ship international and when you do that it turns white.

Tried some and most def high quality Molly.

There you have it everyone. Mystery solved.
Title: Re: Symbiosis mdma not mdma
Post by: pepomaze66 on August 02, 2013, 09:08 am
International, yes.

As I said before. I've done mdma every 3 months for a year and a half almost - and this had an mdma feeling BUT
the roll lasted 2-3 hours only (took 220+mg), the peak was VERY harsh, (heartbeats and sweating like hell) and the euphoria only came in waves every 30 minutes for a little while - replaces by a bit of anxiety\tiredness etc.

this is white powder which is totally matte. that means no light reflects off it and no sign of even the smallest crystal.

my whole roll report is at the beginning of this thread.
Title: Re: Symbiosis mdma not mdma
Post by: tango on August 02, 2013, 09:16 am
get a test kit, they cost fuck all.


at least you'll be able to identify it
Title: Re: Symbiosis mdma not mdma
Post by: Symbiosis on August 02, 2013, 08:32 pm
I rarely if ever go on the forums however a customer has brought this to my attention and frankly its absolutely ridiculous, so let me please address all the issues I have seen.

1. I have never cut the mdma, nor have I ever received it as cut which I know because I buy 3 kilos at a time and it all comes in massive rocks.

2. The reason the mdma is fluffy powder, as explained on my profile page and on every individual mdma listing is because we crush it in a coffee grinder to make it as flat and smooth as possible for international shipping.  All UK customers receive it all in rock form.

3. The current white powder batch all international customers are receiving is tan is colour, like in picture. However when your crush it down to a fine powder it goes white. If any of my UK customers who received rock could please get a bit of rock, crush it down and tell everyone what colour the powder then is it would be much appreciated and clear this up.

4. With regard to the ketamine comment, ketamine comes in many different forms and has each one gives different highs. Just because you receive something different to you are used to does not mean it is not ketamine, and it was clearly described in the item description that it was racemic fine grain ketamine.

5. IF YOU HAVE ANY DOUBTS, GET A TEST KIT!!! they are very cheap, easily available.

I have been on silk road for almost a year now, I have thousands of fans, I have about 100 orders a day 7 days a week if fully stocked, I sell 2 kilograms of mdma a week in grams and ounces, my point is I am not cutting mdma for international customers to try to make a few extra bucks, I have too much at stake. The 99% of customers get their order are happy,. leave a 5/5 rating and move on , but dont go on forums, but the 1% who have a problem for whatever reason, ( usually their own ignorance ) write all over the forums and give a distorted view of the things. I will not be back on the forums so if anybody has any questions please message me directly on silk road.

Regards,

Symbiosis
Title: Re: Symbiosis mdma not mdma
Post by: bukket on August 02, 2013, 09:35 pm
I did some of the Symbiosis MDMA last week at a music festival and it was amazing.

some of the best stuff I've had over 10 years of use, and some of the best stuff I've had on the road.

great vendor!
Title: Re: Symbiosis mdma not mdma
Post by: doom27 on August 06, 2013, 04:04 am
Well guys it looks like all is good in the world and just myself and friends being dumbasses.

Went out and got some test kits, turns out the "mystery powder" was k, doesn't explain the strange taste, but test results turned right orange. After testing the drug myself, it is indeed some really fucking bomb k.

The mdma is nothing like any other i've seen before, but i can assure you, this shit is bomb. It doesn't taste like mdma, it doesn't look like mdma, but goddamn its some fucking good mdma. Wanted to say sorry to symb and i hope all other with issues get their problems fixed. I once again support them 100% and can't wait to do more business with them!