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Discussion => Silk Road discussion => Topic started by: BeepBeep on June 20, 2013, 11:00 am

Title: What happens if a buyer does not release funds?
Post by: BeepBeep on June 20, 2013, 11:00 am
Just wondering what actually happens if the buyer doesn't release funds, but tracking proves that it arrived?
Title: Re: What happens if a buyer does not release funds?
Post by: Jack N Hoff on June 20, 2013, 11:07 am
Funds get released automatically after 17 days.
Title: Re: What happens if a buyer does not release funds?
Post by: BeepBeep on June 20, 2013, 11:08 am
Funds get released automatically after 17 days.

Assuming this guy took it to resolution look for a refund/reship.
Title: Re: What happens if a buyer does not release funds?
Post by: Jack N Hoff on June 20, 2013, 11:12 am
Funds get released automatically after 17 days.

Assuming this guy took it to resolution look for a refund/reship.

In that case he loses because you provide the tracking number during resolution and then you blacklist him. 8)
Title: Re: What happens if a buyer does not release funds?
Post by: BeepBeep on June 20, 2013, 11:13 am
Funds get released automatically after 17 days.

Assuming this guy took it to resolution look for a refund/reship.

In that case he loses because you provide the tracking number during resolution and then you blacklist him. 8)

Does that mean that I get paid guarantee?
Title: Re: What happens if a buyer does not release funds?
Post by: Jack N Hoff on June 20, 2013, 11:20 am
Funds get released automatically after 17 days.

Assuming this guy took it to resolution look for a refund/reship.

In that case he loses because you provide the tracking number during resolution and then you blacklist him. 8)

Does that mean that I get paid guarantee?

Yes
Title: Re: What happens if a buyer does not release funds?
Post by: BeepBeep on June 20, 2013, 11:24 am
Funds get released automatically after 17 days.

Assuming this guy took it to resolution look for a refund/reship.

Good to hear! Thanks.

Beep
In that case he loses because you provide the tracking number during resolution and then you blacklist him. 8)

Does that mean that I get paid guarantee?

Yes

Awesome, good to hear! Thanks

Beep
Title: Re: What happens if a buyer does not release funds?
Post by: samesamebutdifferent on June 20, 2013, 11:59 am
As a new vendor BeepBeep expect to attract some individuals who will try it on and threaten you with bad feedback unless you cave into their demands. It might hurt your stats but I know from speaking to other vendors you need to stand firm and if the tracking says delivered then that's an end to the matter.
Title: Re: What happens if a buyer does not release funds?
Post by: BeepBeep on June 20, 2013, 12:07 pm
As a new vendor BeepBeep expect to attract some individuals who will try it on and threaten you with bad feedback unless you cave into their demands. It might hurt your stats but I know from speaking to other vendors you need to stand firm and if the tracking says delivered then that's an end to the matter.

Thanks samesame, it hasn't actually happened, however I wanted to know so I could be prepared if it did. I'm just waiting on one individual at the moment - and it got me thinking.

Cheers all
Title: Re: What happens if a buyer does not release funds?
Post by: Railgun on June 20, 2013, 12:26 pm
As a new vendor BeepBeep expect to attract some individuals who will try it on and threaten you with bad feedback unless you cave into their demands. It might hurt your stats but I know from speaking to other vendors you need to stand firm and if the tracking says delivered then that's an end to the matter.

How does staff get the confirmation without having access to the address? Seems like it would be a way for LE (who may be staff) to get the addy of the buyer?
Title: Re: What happens if a buyer does not release funds?
Post by: samesamebutdifferent on June 20, 2013, 12:41 pm
As a new vendor BeepBeep expect to attract some individuals who will try it on and threaten you with bad feedback unless you cave into their demands. It might hurt your stats but I know from speaking to other vendors you need to stand firm and if the tracking says delivered then that's an end to the matter.

How does staff get the confirmation without having access to the address? Seems like it would be a way for LE (who may be staff) to get the addy of the buyer?

I am not familiar with the methods and tools the admins have at their disposal when they are called upon to adjudicate on resolution matters I'm afraid as I do not work on the market site.
Title: Re: What happens if a buyer does not release funds?
Post by: ChemCat on June 20, 2013, 12:48 pm
samesame 
:)




Title: Re: What happens if a buyer does not release funds?
Post by: jackofspades on June 20, 2013, 01:27 pm
but different
 :)
Title: Re: What happens if a buyer does not release funds?
Post by: samesamebutdifferent on June 20, 2013, 01:48 pm
Oi you two  :)


Title: Re: What happens if a buyer does not release funds?
Post by: sellitall99 on June 20, 2013, 02:02 pm
Thats the least of your worries, hardest one to combat is people saying they received less then what they ordered.
Title: Re: What happens if a buyer does not release funds?
Post by: mcguire39 on June 20, 2013, 05:11 pm
When you check a usps  tracking like a label 400, it doesn't show the actual delivery address anyway does it? It just shows maybe the city/state shipped from and shipped to? And whether it was delivered? So I don't think just having the DCN would give out the delivery address? Maybe it's not ideal to have another party know even the delivery zip but in matters of dispute resolution it's probably necessary.
Title: Re: What happens if a buyer does not release funds?
Post by: bluegreen23 on June 20, 2013, 08:04 pm
so how does a vendor prevent being scammed if you don't have a tracking #? There are areas that doesn't allow for tracking without a signature. If the signature is unacceptable to the buyer and the vendor chooses to go ahead, then the only option is to ship without tracking. So what happens then?
Title: Re: What happens if a buyer does not release funds?
Post by: ChemCat on June 20, 2013, 08:30 pm
Quote from: bluegreen23
so how does a vendor prevent being scammed if you don't have a tracking #? There are areas that doesn't allow for tracking without a signature. If the signature is unacceptable to the buyer and the vendor chooses to go ahead, then the only option is to ship without tracking. So what happens then?
Think about this for a  minute...as long as our parcels are arriving....do we really need a tracking number?

i'm just curious...you're question is valid.....PGP  Learn it  :)

Follow the link in my Sig.....

Also go to newbie Topic and talk  to them...Learn and Recieve your Rewards!!


Title: Re: What happens if a buyer does not release funds?
Post by: bluegreen23 on June 21, 2013, 04:00 am
Quote from: bluegreen23
so how does a vendor prevent being scammed if you don't have a tracking #? There are areas that doesn't allow for tracking without a signature. If the signature is unacceptable to the buyer and the vendor chooses to go ahead, then the only option is to ship without tracking. So what happens then?
Think about this for a  minute...as long as our parcels are arriving....do we really need a tracking number?

i'm just curious...you're question is valid.....PGP  Learn it  :)

Follow the link in my Sig.....

Also go to newbie Topic and talk  to them...Learn and Recieve your Rewards!!

Well according to this thread, as a vendor to prevent getting scammed, yes you very clearly do require a tracking number otherwise you can't prove that you have sent a shipment. So when the scammer takes the vendor to resolution and says "that vendor didn't send anything" the vendor has no proof of sending to refute the statement.
So as I said, if a buyer refuses a signature, and the only options available are 1) tracking and signature or 2) no tracking no signature. Then what is a vendor to do? Seems pretty much like counting on the kindness of strangers.  From what I can tell here there are a lot of unkind strangers.

As for pgp, I'm not a rocket scientist but I do have my public key in my sig, and I do know how to fumble my way through it. Perhaps I'm dense but the link in your sig goes to a vendor page which currently doesn't appear to contain any info regarding this tracking vs no tracking going to a resolution.

As for newbie threads which I check on every day, and often post questions and concerns in the only real info that I've come from there is that if you don't have a tracking number you can't prove you sent anything.

So now that I've more or less repeated myself for your sake perhaps I can get a response to my concern.
Title: Re: What happens if a buyer does not release funds?
Post by: ChemCat on June 21, 2013, 06:53 am
Interesting....

Please Enlighten me  :)

You don't have to be a Rocket Scientist...

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As for pgp, I'm not a rocket scientist but I do have my public key in my sig, and I do know how to fumble my way through it. Perhaps I'm dense but the link in your sig goes to a vendor page which currently doesn't appear to contain any info regarding this tracking vs no tracking going to a resolution.

Yes, the link in my Sig goes to my vendors page....which ....as you've said....does not contain any info pertaining to this thread.......hmmmmm........if you would like to continue   this coversation within the confines of PM  .....Then here is my Public Key:

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Title: Re: What happens if a buyer does not release funds?
Post by: colorblack on June 21, 2013, 07:45 am
Thats the least of your worries, hardest one to combat is people saying they received less then what they ordered.

That's something I've always wondered about. To my vendor friends - how do you guys deal/combat this issue?
Delivery can be confirmed. The contents of the package just can not be. If Buyer orders 20 pills and claims he received 15? Or orders 10 grams and claims he received 3? How on earth does either side prove it?
Title: Re: What happens if a buyer does not release funds?
Post by: WatLanBoon on June 23, 2013, 04:39 pm
Thats the least of your worries, hardest one to combat is people saying they received less then what they ordered.

and then ignore you when you offer to reship the 'missing' amount or to add extra next time....

makes you wonder what goes on in the minds of some.

One way to help defeat it would be better feedback, detailed enough to show accuracy and other non-incriminating details.

'Leave feedback here' & equivalent feedback should be penalised until rectified