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Discussion => Newbie discussion => Topic started by: Bookieman on February 09, 2013, 01:18 am
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yes sir, I will fe for my .10 of meth sir
please dont blacklist me :-[
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ok
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I will refuse to FE early till the bitter end! It may take me forever to get the right profile for a respected vendor but who cares really.. I'd rather sleep well knowing I was not scammed by some lowlife on SR
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I recently FE for my first order. Keeping my fingers crossed, I'll be very disappointed if it doesn't turn out well.
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I've had 5 transactions so far ranging from hash over acid to mdma, none of the highly respected vendors on SR demanded FE even though I was completely new.
Then again, I wouldnt mind finalizing early if it's a vendor with great reviews and lots of customers.
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Vendors are human, some are assholes, some are awesome. I've only made about 13 or 14 purchases, but in that time I've been able to find the select few that I deal with exclusively.
I always send 'greeting' messages to potential vendors prior to ordering; I just say hello & ask permission to do business with them. Occasionally I'll ask about their product if important details are lacking - which I've only had to do a couple of times. How they respond tells a LOT about how they treat their customers. I'm amazed at how many don't realize that there's more than one reason for what I'm doing - I actually had a vendor tell me that he/she was too busy for chit-chat and to just place an order (I suppose asking what brand they're selling is too much info for some to actually know). Big surprise that said vendor has crashed & burned.
I feel your pain though. FE sucks. Unfortunately it's a necessary evil in select circumstances. I had to FE on my first purchase despite the risk I knew I was taking (I had been snooping on the forums for months before joining, and FE is ranked just below the plague). The vendor was reputable and had a stellar rating, I talked with him a few times, and all went well. He even hooked me up and we became 'friends' before he gave up the biz. But I would never FE again because I don't need to.
The escrow system is there for a reason, and it does irk me when some vendors try to go around the rules and require FE when they have no need to do so.
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there are several vendors who don't require FE from newbies either, but you could buy small amounts from reputable sellers and FE to them for the first few buys.
common sense can give you a hint who to trust and who to suspect.
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Vendors are human, some are assholes, some are awesome. I've only made about 13 or 14 purchases, but in that time I've been able to find the select few that I deal with exclusively.
I always send 'greeting' messages to potential vendors prior to ordering; I just to say hello and ask permission to do business with them. Occasionally I'll ask about their product if there are details lacking (which I've only had to do a couple of times. How they respond tells a LOT about how they treat their customers. I'm amazed at how many don't realize that there's more than one reason for what I'm doing - I actually had a vendor tell me that he/she was too busy for chit-chat and to just place an order (I suppose asking what brand they're selling is too much info for some to actually know). Big surprise that said vendor has crashed & burned.
I feel your pain though. FE sucks. Unfortunately it's a necessary evil in select circumstances. I had to FE on my first purchase despite the risk I knew I was taking (I had been snooping on the forums for months before joining, and FE is ranked just below the plague). The vendor was reputable and had a stellar rating, I talked with him a few times, and all went well. He even hooked me up and we became 'friends' before he gave up the biz. But I would never FE again because I don't need to.
The escrow system is there for a reason, and it does irk me when some vendors try to go around the rules and require FE when they have no need to do so.
This is by far the best piece of advice one can get. I've always messaged the vendors i'd potentially buy from to just figure out various things.
Most of them answered very politely and - to my own surprise - very fast (less than 24h).
Love always, stranger
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Why is FE such a hated topic? Most of the customers here are making purchases of between $50-$100. I know it sucks to ever loose money, but if you loose $50, is it the end of your world? If you loose $50 because of FE and get scammed, then you still have the forums to get payback. I think the major issue here is that most customers are already thinking they will be scammed, because of the nature of this business and nature of the people who use SR, that they look at FE as just another piece of evidence of how everyone is out to screw them. I know it's hard to trust people, especially on the deepnet, but I've learned that if you give other people your trust, then in general you will be returned with the same. This of course does not mean that you should fall for every scam out there, be smart and use common sense. But don't always be so paranoid when in reality the vendors are generally not out to screw people out of their coins.
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Why is FE such a hated topic? Most of the customers here are making purchases of between $50-$100. I know it sucks to ever loose money, but if you loose $50, is it the end of your world? If you loose $50 because of FE and get scammed, then you still have the forums to get payback. I think the major issue here is that most customers are already thinking they will be scammed, because of the nature of this business and nature of the people who use SR, that they look at FE as just another piece of evidence of how everyone is out to screw them. I know it's hard to trust people, especially on the deepnet, but I've learned that if you give other people your trust, then in general you will be returned with the same. This of course does not mean that you should fall for every scam out there, be smart and use common sense. But don't always be so paranoid when in reality the vendors are generally not out to screw people out of their coins.
And what if the vendor disappears? What if the vendor shorts you on the weight, or doesn't even send you anything? These are extremes yes, but they could still happen, which is why you should always try to stay in escrow.
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There are plenty of excellent vendors who do not ask for new users to FE, I'd highly suggest using them!
I will not finalize until I receive the item although I do also make a point of finalizing immediately upon receipt, they should get their cash ASAP.
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it was a joke actually
I have FE on every buy I have made so far
If a dealer fucks me, thats on him
I am not counting pennies here...I am looking for good product
I spent a small fortune with street dealers out of stupidity and I put joining the road off too long
Im lucky im not dead from buying from fucking scum
Came close a couple times...got arrested, got property and large amount of cash seized becuase Barney Fife found a rolled up dollar bill...not even going into the
Im done with that shit.
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I just boycott sellers who demand FE from short-time buyers or who offer free shipping for FE. It's unethical. There is one seller that when I first got an SR account and was trying to figure out how the fuck to fund a bitcoin address and all of that shit, he was really helpful, and when I finally was able to order, I ordered from him first, and I FE'd. I had no problems. But, never again, y'know? Because it's an invitation to get screwed over.
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I don't require FE and my product speaks for itself.
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I'm just going to sit on some grams from a few different places (and probably have to FE) but whatever.
I got ripped off when I first started buying pot as well - and I bet that most people here sold some half weight dime sacks for way more than they were worth to some suckers at their high school or college.
Its all part of the game. The feedback on pages could be fake, the drugs could be shit, the cops could bust you or a bunch of other bad shit happen - of those things losing 50-100 aint that bad.
Apparently thats what it costs to find out if a dealer is the real deal or not.
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I don't mind FE if I'm spending $50, but when I'm spending $300 I don't want to do it. I work for a living, I'm not the one with the great hook up selling shit online. All in all though, if I FE I don't expect to get shit and if it shows up then great.
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I'm new to all this, but I just feel like there is a certain level of "oh I want everything to be perfect with SR" I'm sure most of these same people also send food back at a restaurant if it's not EXACTLY what they want. A few things you should consider before complaining about FE
1) SR is not the perfect way to buy drugs, but it is a much better system than calling Jose to come through
2) Vendors are businessmen and women. If any of you customers have ever owned a business, even a lemonaid stand, you know how hard it is running your own biz.
3) If you make life easier for the hard working vendor by cutting down on his risk by FE, then he will treat you much better than just a regular customer. Everyone knows businesses don't treat every customer who has money to spend equally? Some customers get better service. Some customers get better product. Be the vendor's friend and he will be your friend. I don't know about you but a cool DD is a good friend to have.
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I have FE'd 4 times before; I got screwed over by 2 sellers, the others were OK. I have a very good buyer record, well over $6,000 spent.
News Flash: you are buying illegal drugs on a hidden, anonymous marketplace.
It's the cost of doing business, all you can do is do your research on vendors before buying and hope all goes well.
Both times I got screwed over, it was by reputable vendors who ended up being scammers. Shit happens. Happens in real life, too.
You need to look at FE and weigh this up: can I afford to lose this money? It really is a gamble, even from reputable vendors.
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Oh look at the guy with the logic!
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Yep. Watch out for them.
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I'm new to all this, but I just feel like there is a certain level of "oh I want everything to be perfect with SR" I'm sure most of these same people also send food back at a restaurant if it's not EXACTLY what they want. A few things you should consider before complaining about FE
1) SR is not the perfect way to buy drugs, but it is a much better system than calling Jose to come through
2) Vendors are businessmen and women. If any of you customers have ever owned a business, even a lemonaid stand, you know how hard it is running your own biz.
3) If you make life easier for the hard working vendor by cutting down on his risk by FE, then he will treat you much better than just a regular customer. Everyone knows businesses don't treat every customer who has money to spend equally? Some customers get better service. Some customers get better product. Be the vendor's friend and he will be your friend. I don't know about you but a cool DD is a good friend to have.
Why are you thinking about the vendor so much? You have to think about yourself as a buy only. This is a shared risk business because we risk money whie vendor risks product. so putting that money under a exchange makes sense because the time it takes the buyer to confirm the product.
also as a vendor you want to keep the money in escrow because of added security.
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Yeah me too, lets go to war (LOL)
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Why is FE such a hated topic? Most of the customers here are making purchases of between $50-$100. I know it sucks to ever loose money, but if you loose $50, is it the end of your world? If you loose $50 because of FE and get scammed, then you still have the forums to get payback. I think the major issue here is that most customers are already thinking they will be scammed, because of the nature of this business and nature of the people who use SR, that they look at FE as just another piece of evidence of how everyone is out to screw them. I know it's hard to trust people, especially on the deepnet, but I've learned that if you give other people your trust, then in general you will be returned with the same. This of course does not mean that you should fall for every scam out there, be smart and use common sense. But don't always be so paranoid when in reality the vendors are generally not out to screw people out of their coins.
Why is FE such a hated topic? Most of the customers here are making purchases of between $50-$100. I know it sucks to ever loose money, but if you loose $50, is it the end of your world? If you loose $50 because of FE and get scammed, then you still have the forums to get payback.
This is one of the dumbest posts I've ever come across!! ??? It's hated because it's taking a risk that you don't have to take. DPR set up the Escrow system to protect buyers, so use it. It's not true that most people are buying items between $50 - $100. ??? $50 would buy you diddly squat!! It's more like $200 - $500. If you lose $50 from FE then you still have the forums for payback! Are you serious?? Fuck mate, say 100 people think that way, that's an easy $5000 pure profit for a vendor who will most likely close that account and start another.
I know it's hard to trust people, especially on the deepnet, but I've learned that if you give other people your trust, then in general you will be returned with the same.
There is no such word as "TRUST" on an anonymous market place running off a Tor Hidden Service on the Hidden Web. ??? You wouldn't have a clue who your dealing with or where they are from. No body does, not even the D.E.A or the F.B.I. ??? Go ahead and trust who ever you like, but there will come a time when you'll get screwed one way or another by a "TRUSTED" vendor, especially if you FE. Using a site like this is all about protecting your anonymity, keeping your security tight, continuing to educate yourself on the way things work here on SR and minimizing every risk you take to lessen any chance of coming into contact with the Law. There will always be a risk, but how that risk is managed will play a major role in your SR journey. Complacency is not a good way to start off your experience here. Seems to me you're not comprehending the importance of your anonymity and security, as well as not following the guidelines posted by DPR on how to operate when using SR. The guidelines are in place for a reason and you trying to reinvent the wheel in your approach to things will leave you open for anything. There are some very clever people on here who would jump at a chance if one should open up. :(
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there are super nice vendors out there, I just don't deal with the ones who think they are hot shit. If you want bud, I only buy from BayAreaBudz and mrhumboldt. BAB has the best costumer service of anyone and has THE BEST bud. mrH has really good bud as well for an amazing price.
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Wadozo hit the nail right on the head. Anonymity is the most important tool we have for protection. Escrow is an awesome safety net. SQ
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@ Bookieman, Hey it's not April Fools Day! lol!
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you've really gotta look at it from the vendors point of view to understand why so many ask for FE. the amount of 'no shows' from new buyers is ridiculously disproportionate to that of established buyers. when they're dealing with new buyers the risk of them going to resolution is a hell of a lot higher than with buyers who are established which shows on their stats. unnecessary refunds, reships, blackmailing threats to screw vendors feedback ratings, that's why they're wary of dealing with the unknown. it costs them a hell of a lot more to deal with refunds and they waste stupid amounts of time responding to idiotic questions. do your research, communicate politely with vendors, don't bombard them with messages. the smaller startups will probably be more lenient about letting you use escrow and having a good ol chinwag about the whole system. bottom line is that when vendors repeatedly get screwed by scam buyers they lose financially which can jeopardize their ability to remain on the road. i'm not a vendor but scammers are putting the prices up for the rest of us. if you don't like a vendors terms then don't buy from them.
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well said Ron, well said. If you don't feel comfortable with FE, don't do it. Additionally, if your a new buyer, don't be stupid, know your stuff and the sellers will respect you for it.
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You've got to remember that these guys are running businesses at the end of the day, they get scammed as much as we do. Now some are low-life scamming pricks but others are generally just trying to make sure they don't get fucked over.
You just have to try use your better judgement when asked to FE
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you've really gotta look at it from the vendors point of view to understand why so many ask for FE. the amount of 'no shows' from new buyers is ridiculously disproportionate to that of established buyers. when they're dealing with new buyers the risk of them going to resolution is a hell of a lot higher than with buyers who are established which shows on their stats. unnecessary refunds, reships, blackmailing threats to screw vendors feedback ratings, that's why they're wary of dealing with the unknown. it costs them a hell of a lot more to deal with refunds and they waste stupid amounts of time responding to idiotic questions. do your research, communicate politely with vendors, don't bombard them with messages. the smaller startups will probably be more lenient about letting you use escrow and having a good ol chinwag about the whole system. bottom line is that when vendors repeatedly get screwed by scam buyers they lose financially which can jeopardize their ability to remain on the road. i'm not a vendor but scammers are putting the prices up for the rest of us. if you don't like a vendors terms then don't buy from them.
Ron, you make some good points but vendors need to protect themselves from dodgy buyers as much as they possibly can. Setting a minimum number of transactions, a minimum amount of Bitcoin spent or a minimum time frame since the buyer joined before ordering. The vendor could stipulate that any new buyers must pay for and use tracked shipping on their purchases until they reach a certain number of transactions/Bitcoin spent. The vendor could also set a max. size limit on all their listings for new buyers to purchase, thus minimizing any potential scam. It's the vendor's responsibility to make sure they prevent scamming buyers, to the best of their ability, from ordering from them. Buyers can't look at things from a vendor's point of view, cause we're not vendors. All buyers can do is do the right thing, be honest with the vendor and once you item arrives, Finalize Immediately. :) :)
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eh ?
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Lost for words? ??? Strange post from a vendor. :-\ Surely you've got more to say than "eh" ???
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you've really gotta look at it from the vendors point of view to understand why so many ask for FE. the amount of 'no shows' from new buyers is ridiculously disproportionate to that of established buyers. when they're dealing with new buyers the risk of them going to resolution is a hell of a lot higher than with buyers who are established which shows on their stats. unnecessary refunds, reships, blackmailing threats to screw vendors feedback ratings, that's why they're wary of dealing with the unknown. it costs them a hell of a lot more to deal with refunds and they waste stupid amounts of time responding to idiotic questions. do your research, communicate politely with vendors, don't bombard them with messages. the smaller startups will probably be more lenient about letting you use escrow and having a good ol chinwag about the whole system. bottom line is that when vendors repeatedly get screwed by scam buyers they lose financially which can jeopardize their ability to remain on the road. i'm not a vendor but scammers are putting the prices up for the rest of us. if you don't like a vendors terms then don't buy from them.
Ron, you make some good points but vendors need to protect themselves from dodgy buyers as much as they possibly can. Setting a minimum number of transactions, a minimum amount of Bitcoin spent or a minimum time frame since the buyer joined before ordering. The vendor could stipulate that any new buyers must pay for and use tracked shipping on their purchases until they reach a certain number of transactions/Bitcoin spent. The vendor could also set a max. size limit on all their listings for new buyers to purchase, thus minimizing any potential scam. It's the vendor's responsibility to make sure they prevent scamming buyers, to the best of their ability, from ordering from them. Buyers can't look at things from a vendor's point of view, cause we're not vendors. All buyers can do is do the right thing, be honest with the vendor and once you item arrives, Finalize Immediately. :) :)
you're seriously claiming that as buyers we're incapable of imagining being on the other side?! mate i was around in the moonbear era and that's one of the most retarded things i've read on here. you may be on some abolish FE mission but all i'm doing is adding a little balance, if you don't want to FE then don't! no ones forcing you to use those vendors. they are eliminating the risk of getting scammed by requiring new users to FE, not merely minimising the risk. it's their choice to make and it's a sellers market here with darwinism in action on both sides.
The key word there Ron is "Imagine"!! I can imagine what it's like to have cancer but that would mean nothing compared to actually experiencing having the disease IRL. I'm bewildered at your attitude. The fucking owner of the site DPR, the person who built the site from scratch and engineered it's design and features, is the one who doesn't want anybody to FE! Here are his/her's exact words -
Always use the escrow system! This can't be stressed enough. 99% of scams are from people who set up fake vendor accounts and ask buyers to pay them directly or release payment before their order arrives. This behavior should be reported immediately. If you do choose to do this, we will be completely unable to help you in the event of fraud.
I'm not on any mission, just pointing out a fact so some people will at least think twice about FE for a vendor. As I said before, it's up to a vendor to implement different strategies on preventing them from being scammed, not for buyers to FE. You're not adding a little balance here at all Ron, but rather posting about a practice frowned upon by most, including DPR, Admins and Mods, which could lead a newbie reading your post to FE and potentially lose their coins. I've been around longer than you Ron, that I'm sure of. I've seen the moonbear shit too and the big scam pulled off by Tony76 during the 420 sale, where a so called trusted and respected vendor asked everybody to FE. Here is a little snippet to remind you of what actually happened -
A few days before the great ‘420 Sale and Giveaway’ held on April 20, Tony76 posted in the forums that he was being targeted by a vindictive rival seller who had threatened to set up bogus buyer accounts to order thousands of dollars of drugs in “multiple orders, in multiple names, from multiple states”. Tony would have no way of knowing which were the bogus accounts and would lose the money not released from escrow.
‘Don’t worry’ came the flood of replies from Silk Road’s community. ‘Everyone knows and trusts you, Tony. To avoid this horrible scammer, just make everyone finalize early.’
To cut a long story short, in 2 days during the 420 sale, he disappeared with over $100,000, with some Mods saying it was more like $250,000. What would you say to these buyers who FE at the request of SR's most trusted and highest ranked vendor?? Seriously, stop promoting buyer's to FE for vendors because the vendor is the one being scammed. The vendor in that case needs to learn the techniques and skills required to stop that from happening.
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seriously dickwad? tony76? what a legend! there's a reason everyone remembers his name. vlad1mir coming back and baiting his victims was pretty pathetic but managing to scam them a second time round.. and people still fell for it and sent him more money! sometimes there's just no helping these people. i would say to those buyers you're a bunch of shit for brains skagheads who deserved to get mugged off just for being so gullible. sometimes you gotta learn a lesson the hard way. every time you FE you take a risk that you're paying for nothing. i'm advocating the freedom to choose. i can't put it any simpler than that. can you comprehend what i'm saying? show me one instance where i have 'promoted FE'. all i've done is show a different point of view, one that makes sense and because it's different to yours, seems to make my point invalid. i personally will only FE for SLL and if he ever turns scammer i'd take the hit and blame no one but myself for taking that risk. as it happens the only order i've ever lost was in escrow with mr.ouid when a whole load of his shipments got seized, he was aware of the fact and guess what i got? jack shit. the escrow system is a nice touch and all but it doesn't offer as much protection as most would think. if DPR genuinely wanted to stamp out the practice of FE then you would be able to report vendors for requesting it then they would be banned however that hasn't happened so his words don't mean shit in that respect. it's like mcdonalds and coca cola promoting healthy eating. PR, CSR and capitalism. look it up.
Do you know what a CAPITAL letter is Ronald? mrouid is an excellent vendor champ having received all my orders from him. In yoiur case, the Admins would have looked at your fucked up stats and sided with the vendor's better ones. Simple as that dickhead!
sometimes there's just no helping these people. i would say to those buyers you're a bunch of shit for brains skagheads who deserved to get mugged off just for being so gullible. sometimes you gotta learn a lesson the hard way. every time you FE you take a risk that you're paying for nothing.
You've just described yourself there Ron, a gullible shit for brains skaghead! Right on the money there!
all i've done is show a different point of view, one that makes sense and because it's different to yours, seems to make my point invalid. i personally will only FE for SLL
What a dumb cunt you must be to post rubbish like this! Obviously not the sharpest tool in the shed!!
the escrow system is a nice touch and all but it doesn't offer as much protection as most would think. if DPR genuinely wanted to stamp out the practice of FE then you would be able to report vendors for requesting it then they would be banned however that hasn't happened so his words don't mean shit in that respect.
You must have some fucked up stats as that plays a major role in determining who gets what in Resolution. FYI, if you had any idea about anything Ron, you would be aware that an Admin recently commented that sooner rather than later, SR will be implementing a policy banning FE.
As for you promoting FE, you're still posting for others to read that it's an option rather than than using the Escrow system. It's a stupid, dumb ass option Ron but then again, judging by your posts, fits you perfectly. Since when has Coca-Cola promoted healthy eating?? WTF!! What has PR, CSR and Capitalism have to do with stopping people from FE?? You do realize this site is based on the principles of Libertarianism / Agorism??
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The only time I've FE'd is because the vendor promised some freebies if I did.
I took a chance and my good arrived with no probs.
FE doesn't have to be a drama.
Just use some common sense.
ie. ฿1.36 FE for x5 extra freebies? Yeah, why the fuck not.
฿27.99 FE to cover 'admin' costs? Nah, on your bike sunny-Jim.
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In general, there is no reason you should have to FE just because your a new buyer. Plenty of vendors accept orders from newbies without FE (myself included). Be polite, read their vendor page first and follow their rules, and you should be fine. This isn't Walmart, there has to be some rules to keep the vendors safe, but it is your choice whether to buy from a vendor who requires FE, nobody is forcing you into it.
Yes, there are many top vendors who own't sell to newbies--just buy from the reputable vendors who will sell to you until you build up your stats, then try out the other vendors.
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In general, there is no reason you should have to FE just because your a new buyer. Plenty of vendors accept orders from newbies without FE (myself included). Be polite, read their vendor page first and follow their rules, and you should be fine. This isn't Walmart, there has to be some rules to keep the vendors safe, but it is your choice whether to buy from a vendor who requires FE, nobody is forcing you into it.
Yes, there are many top vendors who own't sell to newbies--just buy from the reputable vendors who will sell to you until you build up your stats, then try out the other vendors.
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Thanks for providing some sensible advice for the newbies brutusk. +1 for you. :) Coming from a vendor, your opinion adds more weight to the common sense approach of using the Escrow system. We as buyers just need to be honest and finalize any order we receive immediately. In turn, we expect our package to be delivered with the contents as described in the listing. Think of making the other party happy in what you do instead of just making yourself happy. What goes around, comes around has worked well in my 1.5 yrs on SR. :)
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oh dear touched a nerve there haven't i?
you're getting a bit confused, maybe i should have formatted it into paragraphs for simpletons like you. coca cola sponsored the 2012 olympics if you pulled your head out your arse long enough to notice that was going on... i could show you my flawless stats and explain but really all this comes down to is yet another dick comparison argument and yours certainly is larger than mine given that i'm not a man so congrats. i'm not going to indulge your childish one sided ranting anymore so just man the fuck up and get over it.
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ie. ฿1.36 FE for x5 extra freebies? Yeah, why the fuck not.
If you don't mind me asking, ฿!.36 for 5 extra freebies?? What did you get for that? ???
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oh dear touched a nerve there haven't i?
you're getting a bit confused, maybe i should have formatted it into paragraphs for simpletons like you. coca cola sponsored the 2012 olympics if you pulled your head out your arse long enough to notice that was going on... i could show you my flawless stats and explain but really all this comes down to is yet another dick comparison argument and yours certainly is larger than mine given that i'm not a man so congrats. i'm not going to indulge your childish one sided ranting anymore so just man the fuck up and get over it.
You haven't touched a nerve at all. ::) You're posting about a practice frowned upon and discouraged by those in the know, of which you're not! :P The vendor, brutusk, summed it up well for uneducated dopes like yourself. I couldn't give a fuck what you are, man, woman or a goat, the issue here is about FE and discouraging newbies from doing so. ::) You, however, are now dragging your conspiracy theories about Coca-cola and it's sponsorship of the Olympics into the argument!! ??? Why, only your diminutive brain would know! What am I going to man up to Ron? Voicing an opinion which may prevent a newbie from getting scammed? I have nothing to get over. :(
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In general, there is no reason you should have to FE just because your a new buyer. Plenty of vendors accept orders from newbies without FE (myself included). Be polite, read their vendor page first and follow their rules, and you should be fine. This isn't Walmart, there has to be some rules to keep the vendors safe, but it is your choice whether to buy from a vendor who requires FE, nobody is forcing you into it.
Yes, there are many top vendors who own't sell to newbies--just buy from the reputable vendors who will sell to you until you build up your stats, then try out the other vendors.
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I imagine once you get scammed a couple of times that you will change, at least with new buyers.
It seems sensible for vendors to have certain requirements for new buyers as they are the ones without any feedback.
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It seems sensible for vendors to have certain requirements for new buyers as they are the ones without any feedback.
Exactly. It's not rocket science. ;D
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never fe, problem solved
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never fe, problem solved
+1 for some common sense. :)
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never fe, problem solved
+1 for some common sense. :)
It's a tough call sometimes especially when you are first starting out on the road, we have all been there whilst finding our feet and building our stats. When first making some buys it's best to stick to domestic vendors to begin with as the chances of an intercept are much lower and thus reduces the chances of being scammed, ask for tracking etc.
Personally I still FE for a couple of very trusted vendors without which I would not be able to buy from, goes against the established thinking here I know but I make an informed choice and only deal with straight shooters. I also know that if I run into issues they will work something out with me regardless of my having FE'd.
It took me months to find my feet, work out who was legit and who was to be avoided, we all get burnt once or twice and learn some valuable lessons and this place is your bible!
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Then dont buy from vendors who do Lol
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ie. ฿1.36 FE for x5 extra freebies? Yeah, why the fuck not.
If you don't mind me asking, ฿!.36 for 5 extra freebies?? What did you get for that? ???
That was a made-up price, just to illustrate my point. Couldn't remember the actual amount I paid. But the order details are accurate.
I bought some diazepam from Dazzy. I bought ten, and he promised to throw in some extras if a FE'd. Which he did.
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Fe'd once... Never again.
wanted to try this vendor as he/she ships from a country very close to mine(EU). Thinking i would get my shit (1g of meth) in a few days, and with sellers good reputation and lots of transactions i had very little doubts he would let me down.
Well, looks like he did.(And i'm not the only one)
What a dumb ass i am. Giving away my hard earned coins, trusting people i never even met. How could i be so stupid?
I will give vendor a chance to answer my, polite, messages before i will warn other retards like myself from buying from this dude.
In the end i can only blame myself.
109$ shorter, all i can say is: NEVER EVER FE...
Fortunately there are many other vendors on SR who are good and honest people. ;)
Thanks for this great forum. I learn a lot from it. :)
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I don't get some vendors... this is clearly a sore spot with many buyers. Why they don't listen to the customers complaints I don't know. It seems simple enough: find what the market is asking for and meet those needs, economics 101. I've been lurking the forums for a while and decided I would expand my little operation online and simply NOT do what people complain about. So, if you're in Canada and weed is your medicine of choice, check out my listings (URL below). If you like or dislike something just let me know and I'll come up with a solution. (Needless to say that I never ask for early finalization!)
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I don't get some vendors... this is clearly a sore spot with many buyers. Why they don't listen to the customers complaints I don't know. It seems simple enough: find what the market is asking for and meet those needs, economics 101. I've been lurking the forums for a while and decided I would expand my little operation online and simply NOT do what people complain about. So, if you're in Canada and weed is your medicine of choice, check out my listings (URL below). If you like or dislike something just let me know and I'll come up with a solution. (Needless to say that I never ask for early finalization!)
That would be economics 101, indeed. But the problem is that theory economics can hardly be applied to the world when it comes to product and service. You require Advertising/Marketing 101 for that which is a nutshell: "Make people think that they need your product, and make/take as much money as possible."
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I've wasted enough money buying street coke (why i come on SR) I dont mind at all if I FE. I'm only spending 50-100quid so if it all goes wrong it's no big loss. I only buy from trusted vendors so feel confident with my orders.
These vendors have got to make a living and IMO there's prob more knobs out there looking to scam a vendor than there is dodgy vendors
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oh dear touched a nerve there haven't i?
you're getting a bit confused, maybe i should have formatted it into paragraphs for simpletons like you. coca cola sponsored the 2012 olympics if you pulled your head out your arse long enough to notice that was going on... i could show you my flawless stats and explain but really all this comes down to is yet another dick comparison argument and yours certainly is larger than mine given that i'm not a man so congrats. i'm not going to indulge your childish one sided ranting anymore so just man the fuck up and get over it.
um, ok...Pepsi FTW?
/peace out
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I don't get some vendors... this is clearly a sore spot with many buyers. Why they don't listen to the customers complaints I don't know. It seems simple enough: find what the market is asking for and meet those needs, economics 101. I've been lurking the forums for a while and decided I would expand my little operation online and simply NOT do what people complain about. So, if you're in Canada and weed is your medicine of choice, check out my listings (URL below). If you like or dislike something just let me know and I'll come up with a solution. (Needless to say that I never ask for early finalization!)
+1 for a great attitude. :) Nice to see a vendor addressing concerns for new buyers. New buyers need to return a vendor's use of Escrow with complete honesty and Finalizing their orders immediately. Then it's happy days for everyone. :) :)
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Fe'd once... Never again.
wanted to try this vendor as he/she ships from a country very close to mine(EU). Thinking i would get my shit (1g of meth) in a few days, and with sellers good reputation and lots of transactions i had very little doubts he would let me down.
Well, looks like he did.(And i'm not the only one)
What a dumb ass i am. Giving away my hard earned coins, trusting people i never even met. How could i be so stupid?
I will give vendor a chance to answer my, polite, messages before i will warn other retards like myself from buying from this dude.
In the end i can only blame myself.
109$ shorter, all i can say is: NEVER EVER FE...
Fortunately there are many other vendors on SR who are good and honest people. ;)
Thanks for this great forum. I learn a lot from it. :)
Sorry to hear you got burnt. :( At least you have shared your experience so others may take note and think twice about FE. A lesson learned. +1 to help a little with the pain. :)
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Wadozo, +1 and thanks for being the voice of reason in the thread ;)
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Help... I need $0.20 to complete transaction!!!! Thanks
Demiurgic
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anyone else think that the coke and h vendors are always the worst? Maybe its the nature of the drugs
a tip for people wanting good coke, go with llyodsbrothers, really good cola but quite expensive
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anyone else think that the coke and h vendors are always the worst? Maybe its the nature of the drugs
a tip for people wanting good coke, go with llyodsbrothers, really good cola but quite expensive
As they say, "you get what you pay for". :)
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I only really use one vendor .. have done so for along time, I don't mind FE with them as about 99% of all my purchases over 12 months on here with them, always come no problems. That 1% loss rate, we always reach an amicable resolution.
Really can't risk introducing other vendors in the mix, "no-shows" would make me a paranoid delusional cunt, so I stick to my chosen vendor who always gets me what I require. It's actually when I try someone else shit happens, so I don't need shit in my life.
All I will suggest for newbies is to do some research, get some purchase history/stats, be professional and not cracked out when reaching out/corresponding with vendors. Don't be afraid to send them a message on SR, see what they communicate like and whether or not they respond within a time-frame that you are happy with to your questions. Don't bombard them though. They have a business to run.
Newbies are ripe for selective scamming even from the top vendors, so don't FE until you have built up trust and a relationship with a vendor. Even then some become too big for their boots.. and having 10 or so previous good orders with them, means shit to some .. but you just cull them when they are fuckheads like that anyway.
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I have always been reckless with money to some degree.
\Looking back on the past few years since I got that first sniff of good cola, I have probably wasted low to mid 5 figs on bad shit because of "hope"
Do I wish I had that cash back? sure
I can always make more money though, the experiences I have had are priceless.
I FE out of respect. I am bound to get burned, but I do believe that its on the dealer...not me
If youre a brokedick then you should not fe
If you arent and you have any intelligence at all, you should be fine the majority of the time here...
This place has some great people...buyers and vendors
I truly believe that some of these dealers would be very successful in the "legal" business world
I have a different view on life and the people around me now compared to when I thought all drugs were terrible and the users were second class citizens
SR provides a great service. Too bad there are so many hypocrites in this world.
Good luck to all of you here. I hope this place survives and is a model for great things to come,
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I have always been reckless with money to some degree.
\Looking back on the past few years since I got that first sniff of good cola, I have probably wasted low to mid 5 figs on bad shit because of "hope"
Do I wish I had that cash back? sure
I can always make more money though, the experiences I have had are priceless.
I FE out of respect. I am bound to get burned, but I do believe that its on the dealer...not me
If youre a brokedick then you should not fe
If you arent and you have any intelligence at all, you should be fine the majority of the time here...
This place has some great people...buyers and vendors
I truly believe that some of these dealers would be very successful in the "legal" business world
I have a different view on life and the people around me now compared to when I thought all drugs were terrible and the users were second class citizens
SR provides a great service. Too bad there are so many hypocrites in this world.
Good luck to all of you here. I hope this place survives and is a model for great things to come,
nice to see you can also be serious :P
great post, i would totally +1 your karma if i could! :D
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Just did it for you :)
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These things said before me by another noob is so true ... (my feelings in the parenthesis)
If a dealer fucks me, that's on him (bad karma)
I am not counting pennies here...I am looking for good product (right on!)
I spent a small fortune with street dealers out of stupidity and I put joining the road off too long (too long! lost lots of cash)
I'm lucky I'm not dead from buying from fucking scum ( as I did in the past!)
Got arrested, got property and large amount of cash seized because .... of the fucker across the street who turned in my legal so calif grow, and while they didn't get me on that, they did remove 22 pages of entheogenic plants and fungi specimen's I had collected for thirty years - including 33 of the most beautiful peyotes in full flower, 9 different kinds, 30 and 35 years old.
I so wish I knew how to get even with mr munroe across the street. Now, two years and four months later I'm fresh out of the legal system and all new - and every day I look across the street and... wish the man to die of cancer.
.... sorry for the rant.
Thanks for bearing with us noobs....
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She said this Samesamebutdiffernet? She's great on stage! Never knew she was so .... savvy!
Reality is a crutch for people who can’t cope with drugs. … Lily Tomlin
Love it! Going to share that one with my wife!
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She said this Samesamebutdiffernet? She's great on stage! Never knew she was so .... savvy!
Reality is a crutch for people who can’t cope with drugs. … Lily Tomlin
Love it! Going to share that one with my wife!
Indeed she did Scurry ;)
Man just feeling your pain re loosing those beautiful plants, that is a travesty but I guess you have been on that journey already, Mr Munroe has it coming... one day karma will catch up with them :(
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Thanks so much. Hurts still. A lot. And for what reason? He didn't like me or my daughter? We honestly never did anything to him.... just hurts like hell. Had them most of my life.
I wish I could go crawl into a k hole.... leave my body and go across the street and ......
lol! I am so loving this place! Had to buy a brand new imac for my work, and it has opened up a world of adventure!
Listening to nice tech house and smoking wonderful home grown and being in the presence of so many like-minded people is just great. Like being at Burningman I was thinking earlier!
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I imagine once you get scammed a couple of times that you will change, at least with new buyers.
It seems sensible for vendors to have certain requirements for new buyers as they are the ones without any feedback.
I understand they may want new buyers to only purchase small amounts, I understand that they may not want to send anything high risk or of high value to a newbie. But I just got black listed (he said he was going to post about my situation in the vendor's forum, idk if he did, but he sure isnt going to do business with me anymore, because I gave a 4/5 feedback score. In fact, he has a note on his profile that he will cancel any orders from people who left anything other than a 5/5,, then made some comment about all the new people ruining sr and ruining his feedback score, by giving 3books a 4/5. Note my purchase was NOT an ebook, nor was it a lotto ticket, and nor was the feed back anything other than an honest account of my experience.
I finalized after having a chance to try the product the next day, so its not an issue of never finalizing or using fe. I said the product was good, processing was slower than expected, outer packaging was pleasant (not stealth, but more discreet than from previous vendor, but inner packaging needed work). His whole premise is that I did not email him before leaving feedback. But, what would contacting him have done? I wasnt angry, I wasnt mad. It just wasnt a 5 transaction, and short of offering a significant refund, or adding extra product to my new order (which was actually canceled and refund WAS given.), my feedback would still have been the same.. I might have changed the number upon receipt of the next order to reflect an agreement had been come to, but I still would have left the same text. At the time I made the order, his profile said they were shipping every day. All of his feed back said it was really fast, and packaging was great. But, it wasnt. It was better, just not a 5
So, now I find that if I want to continue doing business here, I might as well discount the majority of feedback for the majority of vendors, and just give everyone a 5 whether they deserve it or not. I feel like that just makes this place all the more dangerous. Yeah, its a risky place, but then people come out and make it even riskier, They get scammed a few times, we get scammed a few times. So the answer is to make it impossible for anyone to scam anyone accept the seller?
I have a thread about it at the top of the page, but I dont think anyone has posted. This vendor essentially (of course he never directly stated it) is only going to work with you if you give a 5/5 every time, whether it was or was not. Now, I have been able to make purchases, and this is the only person that was quite like that, but I have had others ask me to fe or refuse to work with me until I have more orders. The thing is, its like a job. Every job wants experience, but you cant get experience until you get a job. Maybe some of the more reputable members could have a couple of small listings, or sample sizes for purchase. Something that is lower risk for everyone involved.
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:o why would anyone FE its a standard libertarian hand shake contract WITH ESCROW the vendor sees your stats if you order so no matter the result, no one should get there feelers hurt as long as both parties fully understand the a fore-mentioned contract. Soap box put away now lolz
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I imagine once you get scammed a couple of times that you will change, at least with new buyers.
It seems sensible for vendors to have certain requirements for new buyers as they are the ones without any feedback.
I understand they may want new buyers to only purchase small amounts, I understand that they may not want to send anything high risk or of high value to a newbie. But I just got black listed (he said he was going to post about my situation in the vendor's forum, idk if he did, but he sure isnt going to do business with me anymore, because I gave a 4/5 feedback score. In fact, he has a note on his profile that he will cancel any orders from people who left anything other than a 5/5,, then made some comment about all the new people ruining sr and ruining his feedback score, by giving 3books a 4/5. Note my purchase was NOT an ebook, nor was it a lotto ticket, and nor was the feed back anything other than an honest account of my experience.
I finalized after having a chance to try the product the next day, so its not an issue of never finalizing or using fe. I said the product was good, processing was slower than expected, outer packaging was pleasant (not stealth, but more discreet than from previous vendor, but inner packaging needed work). His whole premise is that I did not email him before leaving feedback. But, what would contacting him have done? I wasnt angry, I wasnt mad. It just wasnt a 5 transaction, and short of offering a significant refund, or adding extra product to my new order (which was actually canceled and refund WAS given.), my feedback would still have been the same.. I might have changed the number upon receipt of the next order to reflect an agreement had been come to, but I still would have left the same text. At the time I made the order, his profile said they were shipping every day. All of his feed back said it was really fast, and packaging was great. But, it wasnt. It was better, just not a 5
So, now I find that if I want to continue doing business here, I might as well discount the majority of feedback for the majority of vendors, and just give everyone a 5 whether they deserve it or not. I feel like that just makes this place all the more dangerous. Yeah, its a risky place, but then people come out and make it even riskier, They get scammed a few times, we get scammed a few times. So the answer is to make it impossible for anyone to scam anyone accept the seller?
I have a thread about it at the top of the page, but I dont think anyone has posted. This vendor essentially (of course he never directly stated it) is only going to work with you if you give a 5/5 every time, whether it was or was not. Now, I have been able to make purchases, and this is the only person that was quite like that, but I have had others ask me to fe or refuse to work with me until I have more orders. The thing is, its like a job. Every job wants experience, but you cant get experience until you get a job. Maybe some of the more reputable members could have a couple of small listings, or sample sizes for purchase. Something that is lower risk for everyone involved.
Sorry kittiesandpuppies, but I have to say that not messaging the vendor and giving them a chance to rectify the problem first is not the best course of action IMO. Sometimes mistakes are made, we are all human, so contacting the vendor first and giving them a chance to fix any problems is the way to go IMO. If you feel you could perhaps suggest to the vendor some ideas on improving their stealth, then by all means mention it to them in your message. If they don't want to help you in any way to resolve the issue, then leave the feedback you feel is appropriate.
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Sorry kittiesandpuppies, but I have to say that not messaging the vendor and giving them a chance to rectify the problem first is not the best course of action IMO. Sometimes mistakes are made, we are all human, so contacting the vendor first and giving them a chance to fix any problems is the way to go IMO. If you feel you could perhaps suggest to the vendor some ideas on improving their stealth, then by all means mention it to them in your message. If they don't want to help you in any way to resolve the issue, then leave the feedback you feel is appropriate.
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I guess I understand that now. In my head, I was thinking, 4/5 is NOT a bad score. I guess around here, it is. But in this situation, I am not sure what contacting him earlier would have done for me. When I did, albeit late, explain my concerns, he just threw them back in my face, said they were invalid, and not something he was going to concern himself over. And yeah, I did go in and left the fb I felt appropriate.
But its not just that I didn't email him. My screw up, I get that. If the powers that be are going to ban me on the whole site, then so be it. My real problem, is how to do deal with this kind of situation? I mean, his issue seemed to be less that I didnt contact him, and more that I would dare rate him as anything less than perfect. He does not want to help with problems when they ARE brought to him.
After telling me why my problems were so irrelevant, he asks, so why would i vend to you again? So you can receive a similar package, and feel warranted when you leave another 4/5? (In the note i saw on his profile, he said things were getting silly with all the ebooks and lotto tickets. I thought maybe someone was just irked that they lost or the ebook sucked. So, I said I thought it was warranted, or in other words, not some stupid made up shit. Really, a 4 out of a 5 is bad?
Which brings me back to... how to handle these situations. Ok, email vender. But if the communication does not go well? Seriously, can i decline to leave fb? I am not here to make friends, or get all socially butterflied up about talking to all the people on sr. I am here to make a purchase, expect that purchase to go smoothly since all the falsely elevated feedback points to a reputable seller. If a vender says on their profile they are shipping daily, then I expect my package to be shipped. I expect to receive my package in the mail, and then I expect to come on here, and leave feedback. Then I expect to go about my business, without being harrassed over a 4/5 rating.
I guess his response was just something that I would have expected if I had went in and trashed him. I would have expected his reaction if I tried to say it never showed. I would have expected his reaction if I had called him a scammer and said I got a bag of poop instead.
Maybe there needs to be something in between 4 and 5?
My concern, although I have been told lately they are invalid.... is what stuff like that does to the whole rating system. I get it, I should have emailed him. But how many other people have changed feedback to make it more positive? How many other people have just left the comments blank, because if they say what they really want to, they get black listed? How many other people have fe'ed for a vendor, and then NEVER changed their fb? The venders are so concerned with scammers, and rightfully so, that some are making it difficult to work with.
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More importantly, how many vendors THINK their customers are all in Heaven, when really they are just keeping a source warm with flattery? Dont the vendors loose out when things go like this? When they, shall we say, strongly suggest anything other than a 5/5 will terminate your bus with me and I am going to report you on the irresponsible buyers list???? Are they not missing any real feedback, that could help them improve? Ok, I didnt email. I am here, improving. Where is this guy? Oh, he doesnt care, because none of his other customers have ever had a problem, making me the newb ruining sr and his fb score......................
By this time, I have spent way to much time thinking about that situation. But the question still remains... Email First!! But.. Is it better to just go ahead and lie and say everything was perfect, or better to offend a vender by leaving honest feedback? Do I protect my ability to be able to purchase a product I like, or do I pass on useful information for people who might need it more?
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Just did it for you :)
thanks! :)
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Got arrested, got property and large amount of cash seized because .... of the fucker across the street who turned in my legal so calif grow, and while they didn't get me on that, they did remove 22 pages of entheogenic plants and fungi specimen's I had collected for thirty years - including 33 of the most beautiful peyotes in full flower, 9 different kinds, 30 and 35 years old.
fucking unbelievable! >:(
this is thug criminal behaviour in the patronage of the law. so sad your plants/cactii/fungi had to go this way.
my condolences for your loss.
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More importantly, how many vendors THINK their customers are all in Heaven, when really they are just keeping a source warm with flattery? Dont the vendors loose out when things go like this? When they, shall we say, strongly suggest anything other than a 5/5 will terminate your bus with me and I am going to report you on the irresponsible buyers list???? Are they not missing any real feedback, that could help them improve? Ok, I didnt email. I am here, improving. Where is this guy? Oh, he doesnt care, because none of his other customers have ever had a problem, making me the newb ruining sr and his fb score......................
By this time, I have spent way to much time thinking about that situation. But the question still remains... Email First!! But.. Is it better to just go ahead and lie and say everything was perfect, or better to offend a vender by leaving honest feedback? Do I protect my ability to be able to purchase a product I like, or do I pass on useful information for people who might need it more?
kittiesandpuppies, what I'm posting here is based on the fact that you haven't Finalized Early, because if you have, your basically screwed. I would always send an email to a vendor first before doing anything else and give them the opportunity to make good an order that wasn't as it should be. If the vendor disputes what your saying and you fail to reach an agreement, open up a dispute in the Resolution Center and ask the Admin's to make a decision based on the facts and evidence both you and the vendor provide. You could try and resolve it with the vendor again but if you have already tried unsuccessfully, I can't see the point in trying again, hence the reason to ask the Admin's for a decision. I seriously doubt a vendor can blacklist you for leaving a 4/5 feedback kittiesandpuppies so I wouldn't worry about that at all. It's not like you've scammed them or anything of that nature. If they did blacklist you, I'm sure that could be disputed and overturned. :)
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More importantly, how many vendors THINK their customers are all in Heaven, when really they are just keeping a source warm with flattery? Dont the vendors loose out when things go like this? When they, shall we say, strongly suggest anything other than a 5/5 will terminate your bus with me and I am going to report you on the irresponsible buyers list???? Are they not missing any real feedback, that could help them improve? Ok, I didnt email. I am here, improving. Where is this guy? Oh, he doesnt care, because none of his other customers have ever had a problem, making me the newb ruining sr and his fb score......................
By this time, I have spent way to much time thinking about that situation. But the question still remains... Email First!! But.. Is it better to just go ahead and lie and say everything was perfect, or better to offend a vender by leaving honest feedback? Do I protect my ability to be able to purchase a product I like, or do I pass on useful information for people who might need it more?
kittiesandpuppies, what I'm posting here is based on the fact that you haven't Finalized Early, because if you have, your basically screwed. I would always send an email to a vendor first before doing anything else and give them the opportunity to make good an order that wasn't as it should be. If the vendor disputes what your saying and you fail to reach an agreement, open up a dispute in the Resolution Center and ask the Admin's to make a decision based on the facts and evidence both you and the vendor provide. You could try and resolve it with the vendor again but if you have already tried unsuccessfully, I can't see the point in trying again, hence the reason to ask the Admin's for a decision. I seriously doubt a vendor can blacklist you for leaving a 4/5 feedback kittiesandpuppies so I wouldn't worry about that at all. It's not like you've scammed them or anything of that nature. If they did blacklist you, I'm sure that could be disputed and overturned. :)
No, I had NOT done the fe. The order WAS canceled, and refund WAS given. I have emailed with the person, I think we are on our way to being on amicable terms, but as far as vendors go, I am just movin on to someone else. I am not interested in doing a resolution or anything like that. Im just having a hard time figuring out what is right. I don't know if he could black list me from the whole site for a 4, but after we exchanged emails, I changed it to a 2, and added details about how he black listed me for giving a 4 out of 5 rating. Then we exchanged email one more time.
THAT was the help I was looking for. I dont know if all of SR thinks this way, but the specific vendor in question stated that a 5/5 is the standard rating. He said if it was delivered, safe, and the right weight, then it was a 5, regardless of anything else. I still *thoroughly* disagree with that. I mean, essentially, all we have is a site full of people who are mostly getting 5s, whether it was just standard, outstanding, or a stick in the mud. I have done what I can to rectify things with this person, changed the feedback to a 5, I did leave in the added details the orig comments, and then an add that I was just schooled in how the ratings work, defined a standard 5 order as it was defined to me.
So, I have no idea if I am actually black listed. It's letting me log on, but I have not tried to place an order yet.
Has anyone thought of defining the ratings in the feed back window, so there is no question what a rating means?? Maybe something like..
5-could not see contents, was delivered within 2-3 weeks, was ordered product, in ordered amounts, with full stealth
4- Arrived safely and at weight, discreet, but not stealth
and so on.
I am clearly not the person to suggest what the scale and definitions would be, but....
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Vendors and buyers can both be victims to fraud...and it is up to each to draw their own lines...
Trust is Golden in this community.
The worst feeling however, is when a long-established and trusted vendor quits this game, and scams a hundred or so people on his way out.
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More importantly, how many vendors THINK their customers are all in Heaven, when really they are just keeping a source warm with flattery? Dont the vendors loose out when things go like this? When they, shall we say, strongly suggest anything other than a 5/5 will terminate your bus with me and I am going to report you on the irresponsible buyers list???? Are they not missing any real feedback, that could help them improve? Ok, I didnt email. I am here, improving. Where is this guy? Oh, he doesnt care, because none of his other customers have ever had a problem, making me the newb ruining sr and his fb score......................
By this time, I have spent way to much time thinking about that situation. But the question still remains... Email First!! But.. Is it better to just go ahead and lie and say everything was perfect, or better to offend a vender by leaving honest feedback? Do I protect my ability to be able to purchase a product I like, or do I pass on useful information for people who might need it more?
kittiesandpuppies, what I'm posting here is based on the fact that you haven't Finalized Early, because if you have, your basically screwed. I would always send an email to a vendor first before doing anything else and give them the opportunity to make good an order that wasn't as it should be. If the vendor disputes what your saying and you fail to reach an agreement, open up a dispute in the Resolution Center and ask the Admin's to make a decision based on the facts and evidence both you and the vendor provide. You could try and resolve it with the vendor again but if you have already tried unsuccessfully, I can't see the point in trying again, hence the reason to ask the Admin's for a decision. I seriously doubt a vendor can blacklist you for leaving a 4/5 feedback kittiesandpuppies so I wouldn't worry about that at all. It's not like you've scammed them or anything of that nature. If they did blacklist you, I'm sure that could be disputed and overturned. :)
No, I had NOT done the fe. The order WAS canceled, and refund WAS given. I have emailed with the person, I think we are on our way to being on amicable terms, but as far as vendors go, I am just movin on to someone else. I am not interested in doing a resolution or anything like that. Im just having a hard time figuring out what is right. I don't know if he could black list me from the whole site for a 4, but after we exchanged emails, I changed it to a 2, and added details about how he black listed me for giving a 4 out of 5 rating. Then we exchanged email one more time.
THAT was the help I was looking for. I dont know if all of SR thinks this way, but the specific vendor in question stated that a 5/5 is the standard rating. He said if it was delivered, safe, and the right weight, then it was a 5, regardless of anything else. I still *thoroughly* disagree with that. I mean, essentially, all we have is a site full of people who are mostly getting 5s, whether it was just standard, outstanding, or a stick in the mud. I have done what I can to rectify things with this person, changed the feedback to a 5, I did leave in the added details the orig comments, and then an add that I was just schooled in how the ratings work, defined a standard 5 order as it was defined to me.
So, I have no idea if I am actually black listed. It's letting me log on, but I have not tried to place an order yet.
Has anyone thought of defining the ratings in the feed back window, so there is no question what a rating means?? Maybe something like..
5-could not see contents, was delivered within 2-3 weeks, was ordered product, in ordered amounts, with full stealth
4- Arrived safely and at weight, discreet, but not stealth
and so on.
I am clearly not the person to suggest what the scale and definitions would be, but....
He said if it was delivered, safe, and the right weight, then it was a 5, regardless of anything else. I still *thoroughly* disagree with that.
You're 100% correct kittiesandpuppies. Even if it arrives safely, if the product is legitimately not as described in the listing, then your entitled to leave a score you feel is appropriate. If the vendor make up for it though, you should perhaps re-think the original score you left and add a comment outlining why.
So, I have no idea if I am actually black listed. It's letting me log on, but I have not tried to place an order yet.
Even if you were blacklisted, it shouldn't prevent you logging on to SR. Just because you have one vendor who has put you on a blacklist, doesn't mean every vendor won't sell to you again, especially in your case, only leaving a 4/5 score for feedback. You won't get blacklisted though kittiesandpuppies, believe me.
I totally agree with you on your thoughts about a vendor's feedback comments from buyers. You should leave a feedback comment on your thoughts about the experience. Just don't include any details that illustrate shipping methods/materials or techniques. +1 for you kittiesandpuppies for your common sense approach to resolving an issue with a vendor amicably. :) :)
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Even if you were blacklisted, it shouldn't prevent you logging on to SR. Just because you have one vendor who has put you on a blacklist, doesn't mean every vendor won't sell to you again, especially in your case, only leaving a 4/5 score for feedback. You won't get blacklisted though kittiesandpuppies, believe me.
I totally agree with you on your thoughts about a vendor's feedback comments from buyers. You should leave a feedback comment on your thoughts about the experience. Just don't include any details that illustrate shipping methods/materials or techniques. +1 for you kittiesandpuppies for your common sense approach to resolving an issue with a vendor amicably. :) :)
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That makes me feel better :) Thanks.
Also glad to hear that not every seller is going to refuse to work with me over this. I have no idea if he actually did or not, but he did say "Now I feel as a courtesy to my fellow vendors that I am left with no other choice other then to add your name to the irresponsible buyers list in the vendors forum." Am I listed there? I emailed a previous vendor to ask about making a purchase, but, assuming I had already been put on some huge black list, I basically told the vendor what happened. Which, could be good for honesty, could just make him ignore me. My product of choice apparently is not hugely popular on sr. There are more vendors over seas, but I prefer to stay domestic.
Ahh, what can ya say? Who on this site DOESNT have a stupid newbie move? I bet some even have stupid vet moves too. Laugh and move on, its a new day :) (ok, technically its afternoon, but...)
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Even if you were blacklisted, it shouldn't prevent you logging on to SR. Just because you have one vendor who has put you on a blacklist, doesn't mean every vendor won't sell to you again, especially in your case, only leaving a 4/5 score for feedback. You won't get blacklisted though kittiesandpuppies, believe me.
I totally agree with you on your thoughts about a vendor's feedback comments from buyers. You should leave a feedback comment on your thoughts about the experience. Just don't include any details that illustrate shipping methods/materials or techniques. +1 for you kittiesandpuppies for your common sense approach to resolving an issue with a vendor amicably. :) :)
That makes me feel better :) Thanks.
Also glad to hear that not every seller is going to refuse to work with me over this. I have no idea if he actually did or not, but he did say "Now I feel as a courtesy to my fellow vendors that I am left with no other choice other then to add your name to the irresponsible buyers list in the vendors forum." Am I listed there? I emailed a previous vendor to ask about making a purchase, but, assuming I had already been put on some huge black list, I basically told the vendor what happened. Which, could be good for honesty, could just make him ignore me. My product of choice apparently is not hugely popular on sr. There are more vendors over seas, but I prefer to stay domestic.
Ahh, what can ya say? Who on this site DOESNT have a stupid newbie move? I bet some even have stupid vet moves too. Laugh and move on, its a new day :) (ok, technically its afternoon, but...)
kittiesandpuppies, I know for a fact that you are NOT on any Blacklist here on SR. ;) You can take a deep breath and forget about it altogether. I promise you that you're free to do as you please without any fear of a vendor knocking your order back. :) :) We are all human and we all make mistakes. We just need to learn from them and try to not repeat our past mistakes. :)
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Hello, Speaking as a vendor we do not require FE and in fact request that youDO NOT. Any reputable vendor with a good product that they will stand behind, should have 0 worries. UNLESS, their product is less than perfect and not as advertised! :o
I would assume a vendor wants honest feedback that speaks of their customer service, and their product honestly... Not a fake and demanded FE to ensure a FAKE statistic. Buyers will see right through that, and choose to take their business elsewhere.
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I just avoid vendors who require you to FE, I'm sure 99% of them are genuine people who just want the money up front but I stay in escrow and stay safe!
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Hello, Speaking as a vendor we do not require FE and in fact request that youDO NOT. Any reputable vendor with a good product that they will stand behind, should have 0 worries. UNLESS, their product is less than perfect and not as advertised! :o
I would assume a vendor wants honest feedback that speaks of their customer service, and their product honestly... Not a fake and demanded FE to ensure a FAKE statistic. Buyers will see right through that, and choose to take their business elsewhere.
We need more vendors with a great sensible attitude such as Blue Dragon. +1 for you!! :)
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Even if you were blacklisted, it shouldn't prevent you logging on to SR. Just because you have one vendor who has put you on a blacklist, doesn't mean every vendor won't sell to you again, especially in your case, only leaving a 4/5 score for feedback. You won't get blacklisted though kittiesandpuppies, believe me.
I totally agree with you on your thoughts about a vendor's feedback comments from buyers. You should leave a feedback comment on your thoughts about the experience. Just don't include any details that illustrate shipping methods/materials or techniques. +1 for you kittiesandpuppies for your common sense approach to resolving an issue with a vendor amicably. :) :)
That makes me feel better :) Thanks.
Also glad to hear that not every seller is going to refuse to work with me over this. I have no idea if he actually did or not, but he did say "Now I feel as a courtesy to my fellow vendors that I am left with no other choice other then to add your name to the irresponsible buyers list in the vendors forum." Am I listed there? I emailed a previous vendor to ask about making a purchase, but, assuming I had already been put on some huge black list, I basically told the vendor what happened. Which, could be good for honesty, could just make him ignore me. My product of choice apparently is not hugely popular on sr. There are more vendors over seas, but I prefer to stay domestic.
Ahh, what can ya say? Who on this site DOESNT have a stupid newbie move? I bet some even have stupid vet moves too. Laugh and move on, its a new day :) (ok, technically its afternoon, but...)
kittiesandpuppies, I know for a fact that you are NOT on any Blacklist here on SR. ;) You can take a deep breath and forget about it altogether. I promise you that you're free to do as you please without any fear of a vendor knocking your order back. :) :) We are all human and we all make mistakes. We just need to learn from them and try to not repeat our past mistakes. :)
*whew* +1 Wadozo for replying to this thread, I just cant give it. lol. But, I learned some stuff, so all is good in the end. My experience was an annoyance compared to getting scammed or such, but... glad that happened now rather than later, the vendor is not someone I would want to develop a rapport with, disagreement aside. Even as I am sitting here typing I am realizing more and more of what was going on in that transaction that I did not see at first, and just do not like. Looking back, the most irritating part of the entire sr experience for me is all the reading between the lines. I would prefer a much more blunt approach to sharing information, but many things around here are shrouded - and necessarily so.
@ Bluedragon, I will look check out your listings to see if you have anything I am itnerested in :) I am far more interested in working with people that have your attitude
Moving forward, I would like to try an approach of asking a few key questions (depending on item) before purchase, but I am not sure they are appropriate to ask. They would have to be encrypted for sure if they were, and I know now to check profile before placing each order.. There have been things I have wanted to discuss in detail, but have seen other people make posts about refusing to answer such questions, reporting people who ask such questions. I am sure much of that would vary vendor to vendor, but what are the general thoughts on these types of things? I am also not sure of the approach. Obviously a rapport needs to be built, but I am not here to court and make friends. If it happens then cool, but.. Is it appropriate to just be like... hey so&so, i am looking at xyz and have abc and 123 questions?
Or, is it appropriate to ask how packages similar to my order are packaged, in at least brief detail - the general term stealth vs triple layered with mylar xyz whatever heat seal foil jazz or are you going to put my product in a regular seal baggie taped to a piece of paper or what the outer packaging will look? Do any vendors collaborate with the buyer to achieve a mutually agreeable packaging? Say someone did not want a specific type of outer packaging delivered, both as personal preference, and possible situation specific safety issue, extra charge expected, but suggestion in mind would probably be just a simple switch
I want to ask vendors what their preferred rating method is, which I assume is a welcomed question.
What about asking about their turn around time? As in, the time between when I place the order, and they drop it in the mail. I know once its shipped its the shipping, but the actual current processing time based on their current que? If I were to place an order by xyz time today, when do you think you would realistically be able to actually put my package in the mail? Delivery place has a long history of consistent domestic time frames, so if I know when the order was actually mailed, I usually know when to check for specific items (or not to check, as the case may be). I would rather know upfront that my order will sit in processing for several days, than to have it marked as shipped before it actually is. For similar reasons, what about general location package will be mailed from? I dont expect to get anyone's exact location, but perhaps east or west? The name and address their return address is coming from? A somewhat possible but HIGHLY suspect and incredibly fake return is the kind of attention I do NOT want drawn to my delivery location, regardless of whether or not the package is low or high or no risk.
Is it appropriate to ask questions specifying how certain forms of products certain vendors have may be used? Say if a product's title and description imply a certain method of use, while some of the feedback imply another method of use, and would like to know if both are appropriate, or just one or the other.
Those are the kinds of questions I would like to ask. Are those things appropriate to ask? Are vendors likely to answer them or likely to go off the deep end if asked?
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I'll never understand anyone's logic behind finalizing early. It's literally the ONE AND ONLY THING stopping you from getting ripped off on this site and people disregard it like it's no thing. Are you guys the same people who give money to crackheads who promise they will come back with some hydro in 15 minutes?
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Why do vendors still ask to FE when *everyone* says not to FE. I understand that by leaving your money in the escrow that it then leaves the vendors open to fraud... I guess one bad apple can indeed perceptively spoil the bunch :-\
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Why do vendors still ask to FE when *everyone* says not to FE. I understand that by leaving your money in the escrow that it then leaves the vendors open to fraud... I guess one bad apple can indeed perceptively spoil the bunch :-\
Probably because people still fall for it. There's a sucker born every minute, right?
It is kind of weird that SR even has it as an option, but I assume that's just part of the whole libertarian/laissez-faire attitude this place seems to have.
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Even if you were blacklisted, it shouldn't prevent you logging on to SR. Just because you have one vendor who has put you on a blacklist, doesn't mean every vendor won't sell to you again, especially in your case, only leaving a 4/5 score for feedback. You won't get blacklisted though kittiesandpuppies, believe me.
I totally agree with you on your thoughts about a vendor's feedback comments from buyers. You should leave a feedback comment on your thoughts about the experience. Just don't include any details that illustrate shipping methods/materials or techniques. +1 for you kittiesandpuppies for your common sense approach to resolving an issue with a vendor amicably. :) :)
That makes me feel better :) Thanks.
Also glad to hear that not every seller is going to refuse to work with me over this. I have no idea if he actually did or not, but he did say "Now I feel as a courtesy to my fellow vendors that I am left with no other choice other then to add your name to the irresponsible buyers list in the vendors forum." Am I listed there? I emailed a previous vendor to ask about making a purchase, but, assuming I had already been put on some huge black list, I basically told the vendor what happened. Which, could be good for honesty, could just make him ignore me. My product of choice apparently is not hugely popular on sr. There are more vendors over seas, but I prefer to stay domestic.
Ahh, what can ya say? Who on this site DOESNT have a stupid newbie move? I bet some even have stupid vet moves too. Laugh and move on, its a new day :) (ok, technically its afternoon, but...)
kittiesandpuppies, I know for a fact that you are NOT on any Blacklist here on SR. ;) You can take a deep breath and forget about it altogether. I promise you that you're free to do as you please without any fear of a vendor knocking your order back. :) :) We are all human and we all make mistakes. We just need to learn from them and try to not repeat our past mistakes. :)
*whew* +1 Wadozo for replying to this thread, I just cant give it. lol. But, I learned some stuff, so all is good in the end. My experience was an annoyance compared to getting scammed or such, but... glad that happened now rather than later, the vendor is not someone I would want to develop a rapport with, disagreement aside. Even as I am sitting here typing I am realizing more and more of what was going on in that transaction that I did not see at first, and just do not like. Looking back, the most irritating part of the entire sr experience for me is all the reading between the lines. I would prefer a much more blunt approach to sharing information, but many things around here are shrouded - and necessarily so.
@ Bluedragon, I will look check out your listings to see if you have anything I am itnerested in :) I am far more interested in working with people that have your attitude
Moving forward, I would like to try an approach of asking a few key questions (depending on item) before purchase, but I am not sure they are appropriate to ask. They would have to be encrypted for sure if they were, and I know now to check profile before placing each order.. There have been things I have wanted to discuss in detail, but have seen other people make posts about refusing to answer such questions, reporting people who ask such questions. I am sure much of that would vary vendor to vendor, but what are the general thoughts on these types of things? I am also not sure of the approach. Obviously a rapport needs to be built, but I am not here to court and make friends. If it happens then cool, but.. Is it appropriate to just be like... hey so&so, i am looking at xyz and have abc and 123 questions?
Or, is it appropriate to ask how packages similar to my order are packaged, in at least brief detail - the general term stealth vs triple layered with mylar xyz whatever heat seal foil jazz or are you going to put my product in a regular seal baggie taped to a piece of paper or what the outer packaging will look? Do any vendors collaborate with the buyer to achieve a mutually agreeable packaging? Say someone did not want a specific type of outer packaging delivered, both as personal preference, and possible situation specific safety issue, extra charge expected, but suggestion in mind would probably be just a simple switch
I want to ask vendors what their preferred rating method is, which I assume is a welcomed question.
What about asking about their turn around time? As in, the time between when I place the order, and they drop it in the mail. I know once its shipped its the shipping, but the actual current processing time based on their current que? If I were to place an order by xyz time today, when do you think you would realistically be able to actually put my package in the mail? Delivery place has a long history of consistent domestic time frames, so if I know when the order was actually mailed, I usually know when to check for specific items (or not to check, as the case may be). I would rather know upfront that my order will sit in processing for several days, than to have it marked as shipped before it actually is. For similar reasons, what about general location package will be mailed from? I dont expect to get anyone's exact location, but perhaps east or west? The name and address their return address is coming from? A somewhat possible but HIGHLY suspect and incredibly fake return is the kind of attention I do NOT want drawn to my delivery location, regardless of whether or not the package is low or high or no risk.
Is it appropriate to ask questions specifying how certain forms of products certain vendors have may be used? Say if a product's title and description imply a certain method of use, while some of the feedback imply another method of use, and would like to know if both are appropriate, or just one or the other.
Those are the kinds of questions I would like to ask. Are those things appropriate to ask? Are vendors likely to answer them or likely to go off the deep end if asked?
Hi kittiesandpuppies, I think you just need to relax a little about placing an order with a vendor and not let yourself get caught up in the minor details that any quality vendor will have covered. One could ask a vendor an endless series of questions, anything from the time it takes to ship an order through to their packaging techniques and many more. However, this is such a place where most things are better left unsaid, especially when discussing details. If you stick with vendors who are tried and trusted by other members, with recent successful deliveries and happy customers, you should be fine. Always check this forum for any recent reviews of your choice of vendor and read their Homepage a few times to familiarize yourself with their terms and conditions and general demeanor before ordering. If a vendor seems rude or arrogant, look elsewhere. Most vendors don't like to discuss details, and rightly so as you could be anyone, with their customers. Once you receive an order, then you will get the answers you seek. If your asking about their product, make sure it hasn't been posted on their Homepage first before asking. We also have to remember that being a vendor is an extremely time consuming job so they aren't always around to answer questions at any time of the day. There are guidelines a vendor must follow which could answer some of your questions such as how long it will take to put an order "in transit" and so on. I'm not sure if you've read these, but have a look through the Guidelines for both vendor's and buyer's alike. Here's the link for you. :)
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page
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We need more vendors with a great sensible attitude such as Blue Dragon. +1 for you!! :)
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Wadozo- THANK YOU! We feel vendors should be courteous and honest after all, in a world of so many choices it is in a sellers best interest to take time and build the rapport show our human side and keep business coming back. Return customers are the heart of your business :)
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We need more vendors with a great sensible attitude such as Blue Dragon. +1 for you!! :)
Wadozo- THANK YOU! We feel vendors should be courteous and honest after all, in a world of so many choices it is in a sellers best interest to take time and build the rapport show our human side and keep business coming back. Return customers are the heart of your business :)
No worries BD. 8) You guys should put a link to your SR Homepage here on the Forum. Just click PROFILE then click on FORUM PROFILE and post whatever you want as your signature. :)
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Let them know that you refuse to FE
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yeah i am not a fan of FE even though I have done it before
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best weed on SR check out my vendor page
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Hi kittiesandpuppies, I think you just need to relax a little about placing an order with a vendor and not let yourself get caught up in the minor details that any quality vendor will have covered. One could ask a vendor an endless series of questions, anything from the time it takes to ship an order through to their packaging techniques and many more. However, this is such a place where most things are better left unsaid, especially when discussing details. If you stick with vendors who are tried and trusted by other members, with recent successful deliveries and happy customers, you should be fine. Always check this forum for any recent reviews of your choice of vendor and read their Homepage a few times to familiarize yourself with their terms and conditions and general demeanor before ordering. If a vendor seems rude or arrogant, look elsewhere. Most vendors don't like to discuss details, and rightly so as you could be anyone, with their customers. Once you receive an order, then you will get the answers you seek. If your asking about their product, make sure it hasn't been posted on their Homepage first before asking. We also have to remember that being a vendor is an extremely time consuming job so they aren't always around to answer questions at any time of the day. There are guidelines a vendor must follow which could answer some of your questions such as how long it will take to put an order "in transit" and so on. I'm not sure if you've read these, but have a look through the Guidelines for both vendor's and buyer's alike. Here's the link for you. :)
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page
Yeah, I get what ya mean about chillin out. I had read the guidelines previously. I think I just got way too wacked over that stupid situation. There is always risk here, and it is difficult at times, for me to figure out when I am taking a calculated risk based on accurate info and feedback, or a dangerous risk based on people who threaten their way in to glowing feedback. But I am starting to pick on some of the more subtler clues. :)
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Has anyone thought of defining the ratings in the feed back window, so there is no question what a rating means?? Maybe something like..
5-could not see contents, was delivered within 2-3 weeks, was ordered product, in ordered amounts, with full stealth
4- Arrived safely and at weight, discreet, but not stealth
and so on.
I am clearly not the person to suggest what the scale and definitions would be, but....
I like this idea. I agree that if every buyer leaves 5/5 feedback for every purchase, how can a new buyer trust the rating system? And for us vendors that really make an effort at superior product/service/packaging, our ratings are indistinguishable from those that don't. It would benefit everyone!
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I love my vendor. He's a cunt. I'm a cunt. Where all just cunts.
Cunts are useful.
Sing it with me.. "I'm a cunt, he's a cunt, she's a cunt, we some cunts, wouldn't you like to be a cunt too?"
ha ha. Yes the wait is killing me,.
No meth makes me go LOOPY LOOP LOOP. LOOP.
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good thread, genius guy
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FE sucks
if you have to (since you want to try a certain vendor f.e.), just take a small amount.
besides, sort fe vendors out.
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Hey,
just thought I would throw in my thoughts on FE'ing. I sell diazepam, and dont demand FE (apart from with buyers with ZERO purchases), I give it as an option for people, who if they choose to get some free extras with their order (if they let me know they have done so) or free with their next order. I think android posted about him doing this earlier in this thread. Generally I dont like FE, as I am a customer as well, (under a different username of course!) and have got burned once, by a very reputable vendor (actually burned is the wrong word, as Im sure it wasnt the vendors fault) who requires FE on all orders no matter what your buying stats are.
But as a vendor it does make my life easier, as I have had to wait the full 17 days for auto finalize on a number of occasions, and this truly messes up my ability to have a constant supply. So if people choose to do this, I will rub their back as they have rubbed mine by giving them freebies.
I think that FE'ing should be a choice, and I especially think that it should not be required by some of the most popular and the most reputable of vendors, as they are sending out hundreds of orders a day, they shouldnt need it as a requirement. If you have ordered from a vendor before, trust them, and they are offering you the choice to FE to help them out in exchange for the vendor helping them out (free shipping, extra goodies etc) then a customer should be able to choose to do so, and if they dont want to they shouldnt have to. Furthermore, if a customer does choose to FE, they should have an arrangement with the vendor about a no quibbles refund or reship if the order does not turn up for whatever reason (again, for this to be even slightly valid, you have to trust the vendor enough for them to hold up their end of the bargain if this does ever happen).
As a customer, as soon as I receive an order, Silk Road comes into my head straight away (Why else would you have a package of drugs posted through your letterbox?!) and I finalize at the soonest possible opportunity, as I know how frustrating it can be for a customer to not release the funds for over 2 weeks.
For the much bigger scale vendors, who do literally send out hundreds of orders a day, a few customers taking a little while to finalize probably wouldnt make a difference to the vendor (unless they were particularly large orders). But for smaller scale vendors like myself, it does make a difference when you dont get the funds released within a reasonable amount of time.
All in all, I would agree, dont FE in general. There is no need if the transaction is between an honest vendor, who will send out exactly what they have advertised, and an honest customer, who will finalize straight away, or as soon as possible after receiving said order. If it were not for customers receiving orders and getting high whilst not finalizing for weeks, I doubt FE'ing would ever have come into play at all. If a vendor does his or her part to get you your order as quickly as possible, then a customer should release the funds as soon as possible. That is a fair deal, and that is what SR should be all about.
Anyway, thats my ramble over, I dont know what everyone will think on what I have said, but I thought I would post my thoughts, as this is such a big subject matter on the site.
Regards
Dazzy