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Market => Rumor mill => Topic started by: Fallkniven on January 30, 2013, 10:31 pm
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Rumor Mill = Discussion of Vendors and their products, which is exactly what this post is about.
I can not hold on to this any longer, i must get this off my chest, my fucking head is literally going to explode if i don't say it.
$80 AUD for ONE HUNDRED MILLIGRAMS OF METH??!! Are you fucking serious? That's THIRTY DOLLARS HIGHER than what it should be.
$80 AUD for 3.5 GRAMS (NOT KILOS!!!) of regular weed? WHAT. THE. FUCK. is that shit about? IS IT FUCKEN GOLD PLATED WEED? THATS THIRTY DOLLARS HIGHER than what it should be.
I'm looking at EVERY SINGLE AUSSIE VENDOR, Top 1%'ers included. There's making a good profit, then theres PROFITEERING. All the vendors must gather around and PRICE FIX EVERYTHING so that the local market has no choice but to pay WELL ABOVE TOP DOLLAR. This is an illegal market of course, there are no rules to say that vendors can't price fix there merchandise. No 'policing' is done of the vendors to make sure they stay within the non-existent guidelines of so-called 'fair market pricing'
Here's some more outrageously high prices (i'm taking these from the bestselling aus domestic listings):
weed: 3.5g northern lights hydro - $74 - should be $50 delivered - still be profitable
weed: 2g hydro - $56 - should be $40 delievered - still be profitable
weed: 7g indica-sativa (probly bush) $122.63 - should be $90 delivered - still be profitable
heres a duesy: 3.5 grams of Fleetwood OG Kush for $105.26 - WTF?!? That should be $60 delivered AT THE MOST.
meth? dont bother looking no one sells it for under $80 a point, highest ive seen so far is $90 per POINT. $30 a point will still be profitable.
MDMA - 500 MILLIGRAMS for $170 AUD holy fuck thats just a fucking joke, Shit sells for $40 a GRAM and people still profit from it.
MDMA grey ohms 5 PILLS for $130 - that's $26 EACH. And that's this vendors idea of an Introductory Price? LOL.
HEROIN #4 - ONE HUNDRED DOLLARS PER 100mg - no comment to that. Or $400 for 500mg, another SICK JOKE.
ONE 80mg oxyconitin pill - One Hundred Fucking Dollars?! No thanks!
Cocaine: 1 gram $356!
Ketamine: 1 gram for $190 - $40 from UK
MDPV : ONE HUNDRED MILLIGRAMS FOR $170 - lol! pathetic!
The list goes on and on. Thats just the cream of the crap.
Don't give us your shit about having to increase cost to cover importation issues either, that's just bullshit.
You could sell 3.5g of weed for $50 and still be making a tidy profit. You could sell a point of Meth for $50 AND STILL BE MAKING A TIDY FUCKING PROFIT FFS!!!
1 Gram of Aus Meth local from SR is roughly $500 (a "supposedly good" AUD local price) to EIGHT HUNDRED dollars. I can buy a gram of Meth from USA for $70. If 5 of those packages were to be caught and the sixth one got trough to me, i would still have only spent $420, still nearly ONE HUNDRED DOLLARS LESS THAN WHAT YOU CHARGE FOR ONE GRAM HERE.
You should be damn well ashamed of yourselves. You obviously know what empathy is, but just don't give two fucks about other people. Just their hard-earned money.
I am glad that i have the option of buying OS. I'd be fucking broke otherwise. You do not see other countries vendors completely ripping off their own countrymen. IN FACT - they usually get their drugs DISCOUNTED for domestic deliveries! Can you believe that?! It's like some beautiful fairy tale with a happy ending!!
Time and time again i look through aussie vendor feedback for insanely priced items thinking to myself: "These people must be absolute morons to pay these prices AND BE HAPPY AND THANKFUL FOR THE SERVICE"?!?!
And no need to tell me that if i dont like it dont buy it, because i wont buy any of it. EVER. Other, more fair priced OS vendors will get my business instead. Sure i may lose a few deliveries to customs, but i'll still be coming out on top money wise. IF (and that's a pretty big IF, like a 72 point font size IF) you aussie vendors pull your fingers out of your arses, then i might start giving you some of my patronage.
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fucken bump read this shit aussie buyers
boycott these outrageous local prices, you are being fucken scammed!
do not pay these exorbitant prices
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Yup our country is a giant cunt and we're getting fucked.. Hard..
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Hey Fallkniven, your rant is justified mate, we all dislike paying those prices... just as we all dislike Banks! But imo, the reality is mate, the market sets the prices (ie demand) not the Vendors. So if Vendors could not sell their gear for $80 a point, but one or two of them were swamped with orders at say $50 point, then I expect the market price will come down.
I agree it sucks, but put yourself in their shoes mate. They have 'set up a business' based on the current supply, demand and pricing factors. If they 'can' charge $80 a point and easily maintain market share, what is their motivation or reason for selling it for any less? You would hope they do 'look after their mates' with better pricing, but the majority of Vendors will never, ever get to know who they are even selling to on SR, let alone start offering them mates rates.
You also gotta think, even if there was just one or two local Vendors that were prepared to take a hit on margin and start selling quality gear at lower prices, the first thing that would probably happen is they would suddenly get very fucking busy! So in the short term at least, these couple of 'fairer' Vendors would end up doing a shitload more work (ie taking orders, replying to messages, packaging and posting goods etc) than their competitors and may end up only making around the same dollar profit.
So for local Vendors to drop prices and increase volume, only to then find themselves working harder for approx the same dollar profit, is probably not very enticing to them? BUT, if overall demand dropped at the current prices, I expect they would all come 'down' to meet the market and prices in general would drop.
So, if EVERYONE on here stops buying local for a couple of months, then there may be a quantum shift in local pricing... but unfortunately that's probably not going to happen :)
Just my thoughts mate, I realise there are other ways to look at it.
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Had to leave Aus last year for personal reasons just after we got on to SR, and the only thing we bought in Aus was our first BTC, and that was fucked up too!
We now based in UK and there are similar stupid prices with the many local vendors, but not quite SO stupid, but best of all the EU vendors are very competitive, and the only drawback there is transit times can vary, otherwise, in clover here, spoilt for choice.
We ordered four times from the EU (Netherlands) UK US and Canada while in Aus and every delivery got through.
We may not be living in Aus. right now, but we may be back, and we fully support the boycott of greedy bullshitting Australian vendors.
The problem is, the great Australian apathy, all the Aussie roadsters need to get behind this for their OWN BENEFIT.
As comedian Akmal says, "Our problem is -we don't give a fuck"
It's seriously time Aussies started to give a fuck, the dollar is not going to come down and neither is anything else until we all tell them to fucking shove it! (And that goes for the clearnet vendors as well.)
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Hey Fallkniven, your rant is justified mate, we all dislike paying those prices... just as we all dislike Banks! But imo, the reality is mate, the market sets the prices (ie demand) not the Vendors. So if Vendors could not sell their gear for $80 a point, but one or two of them were swamped with orders at say $50 point, then I expect the market price will come down.
I agree it sucks, but put yourself in their shoes mate. They have 'set up a business' based on the current supply, demand and pricing factors. If they 'can' charge $80 a point and easily maintain market share, what is their motivation or reason for selling it for any less? You would hope they do 'look after their mates' with better pricing, but the majority of Vendors will never, ever get to know who they are even selling to on SR, let alone start offering them mates rates.
You also gotta think, even if there was just one or two local Vendors that were prepared to take a hit on margin and start selling quality gear at lower prices, the first thing that would probably happen is they would suddenly get very fucking busy! So in the short term at least, these couple of 'fairer' Vendors would end up doing a shitload more work (ie taking orders, replying to messages, packaging and posting goods etc) than their competitors and may end up only making around the same dollar profit.
So for local Vendors to drop prices and increase volume, only to then find themselves working harder for approx the same dollar profit, is probably not very enticing to them? BUT, if overall demand dropped at the current prices, I expect they would all come 'down' to meet the market and prices in general would drop.
So, if EVERYONE on here stops buying local for a couple of months, then there may be a quantum shift in local pricing... but unfortunately that's probably not going to happen :)
Just my thoughts mate, I realise there are other ways to look at it.
An excellent well thought-out response that raises some very pertinent points.
+1 for you
It's good to see that i'm not the only one who thinks Aus prices are higher than normal.
It reminds me of the prices of Petrol and Diesel, if everyone in the country didn't drive for a couple of days, it will temporarily CRIPPLE the petroleum industry.
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Thanks for the +K Fallkniven... not sure how or why the fuck I picked up a -K also in the last couple of hours, haven't posted anything since the note to you above... maybe it was from an Aussie Vendor? ;D
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Well i also have to agree.
Although i have said in the past that i'm happy to just buy local, after receiving my first O/S order last week, and the sheer quality of it really changed my mind.
I saved around $150 buying from O/S. I know thats a shit load of cash to save from one purchase.
I have dealt with some amazing aussie vendors though. They have been so good to deal with, but in the end a line has to be drawn...
I'd be happy to join an aussie vendor boycott list till the prices plummet....if that is what one is thinking..?
If something has to be done, then lets do it. ;)
But looking at the bigger picture...maybe more aussie vendors are needed for a price drop...?
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Murungu & jnemonic, also good points raised. You're right about the old Aussie Apathy
"She'll be right, mate!" and (my personal favourite to hate that was introduced by the Hawke government) "Don't wanna be a whinger"
WHINGE PEOPLE! How are things going to change if we sit here on our hands and let it continue to happen?
Another quote "All it takes for Evil to prevail is for Good people to do nothing."
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Would be great to see a mass boycott, it creates excellent competition between vendors, and if it goes smoothly, their business's will increase!
All people have to do is: Stop buying from Aussie vendors for a week or two, either buy overseas or save your cash. Once prices drop, so too will your drug tolerance, imagine how whacked you'll get from a regular dose of whatever you poison is?
I might be just pissing up a rope, but i have to try at least. Can vendors not see that by lowering prices, they will garner more of the local market from OS, increasing sales due to lower prices and creating fierce competition between themselves thus driving up sales further.
Then theres the thoughts on Market Demand, if customers are paying for the product happily, vendors will not lower their prices, they will rise with demand. Thus why i suggest a temorary boycott of Aus sales. Vendors will have more stock building up and will have to lower prices to get rid of it.
Maybe i can't see the forest through the trees? Maybe i'm just not greedy enough? Maybe i'm too much of a fair person?
I've always thought i'd be much more at home having been born in the gladatorial days, swinging a battle-axe into an opponents head on a battle field? :P
by the way, my rant is over from before, i dont hate everyone that vends here, i applaud them for taking the opportunity to try and make this world a little less controlled, trying to add a bit of freedom to our hum-drum lives. But ffs sellers, take it easy on the markups! we are not all highly paid ceo's of multinational corporations! (in fact most aussie middle class workers are well and truly UNDERpaid for their hard work)
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Why blame the vendors ??? pretty sure before SILKROAD The pricing for drugs where all the fucking same on the streets!
Just because you got a million overseas listings to compare to domestic listings on silk road makes you wonder why the massive difference .. but it aint the vendors faults..
Go try and find a gram of MDMA selling on the street for some of the Aussie vendors MDMA pricing , and even if you do it will be shit compared to the aussie vendors imported MDMA.
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Lmao lets watch all the meth heads chain themselves to a pole without there pipes and protest the price of meth ....
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I would start a different thread for this. maybe title it as Aussie's Boycott Domestic Vendors! or something like that?
Have members put their name down and see how many we get... ::)
It might start a war of words with other vendors, but hey this is a protest right?
Anyway, if you start a different thread, put my name on the list. ;)
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approx 6mth here and NEVER have NEVER will over-pay for weed!!!!
I too have started trying o/s for my medicine, cause I would rather do without and wait an extra week than to pay OUTRAGEOUS prices currently been asked for!
I am happy to pay what it is worth and a little somethin'somethin for your effort but just remember a 4inch dick casting a 10inch shadow is NOT a 10inch dick.
* * The point is you might get a few desperatos and get some fast cash but once the word quickly spreads that you're not worth all that, you'll find that all you can get now is that fat ugly girl and a few of her fat ugly friends and you have lost your nice, attractive, low maintenance friends.
KEEP THE PRICES FAIR THAT'S ALL WE ASK.
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One thing to also consider is that many vendors list their prices in bitcoins and the price of bitcoins has risen almost 20% in the past week which would 'automatically' be reflected in their prices :P
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Hey Motek..long time no see..? 8)
Actually vendors prices are normally hedged, so when bitcoin prices rise, there listing prices are actually lower.
But yeah your still paying more.. :P
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I have my account set to Dollars.
$75 for 3.5g weed IS DISGUSTING, buy 2 cause you want a QTR = $150 >:( >:( >:( >:(
You can try and pretty it up how ever you want I WILL NOT BUY OVER PRICED WEED!!!
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I have my account set to Dollars.
$75 for 3.5g weed IS DISGUSTING, buy 2 cause you want a QTR = $150 >:( >:( >:( >:(
You can try and pretty it up how ever you want I WILL NOT BUY OVER PRICED WEED!!!
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$75 for 3.5g? WTF. >:(
Thats robbery. Something needs to be done.
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So here we go, i thought theres no real need to make a list of supporters, they can do that themselves by filling out the poll and joining in to the debate.
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Heeeyyy Johnny ;D howzitgoin ??? It's been too long bro, too long :D
Yeah I agree, prices like those are just, just, remind of a sticker I once had on my guitar case :o
that said in HUGE black letters on a yellow background "BLOODY CRIMINAL" and in very small letters across the top was written "the price of drugs these days is" ,,,,, Bloody Criminal!
Shame about the cop who pulled me over and saw it in the back of my van!
IIRC ,, that cost me a few grand in legal fees and fines :P
He just didn't see the funny side ::)
But back to these prices ... WTF? :o
Shit!, even 'on the street' the standard prices for a 'thrifty' = 3 gms for $50 ... singles are $20 as they have been for 25 years! lol!
I am old enough to remember the pot 'droughts' that occurred every year leading up to xmas , and continued until march/april :o when the summer crops were beginning to be harvested.
Some years it started around September and lasted 6-7 MONTHS! It was fucked, all the smokers in cities like sydney and melbourne were 'dependent' on imported dope, hash buddha sticks, and later on just the dope, no stick :o and whoever were bringing in the pot into Oz in the early 80's couldn't keep up with demand.p
It was also the era of "see the imported dope getting busted on telly ? cool!" ... in 4-6 months there's SURE to be some, if not most of what was seized on the market
Twas truly fucked, and they only got worse :'( UNTIL ... the introduction of hydro to melbourne in 1986 ;D I remember it well, it changed the scoring of pot here forever 8)
My point is that back when the demand exceeded supply by a huge degree, sometimes the prices went through the roof, I remember people selling hash (top quality afghani) for $600 plus an ounce! but it seemed to 'top out' at around $25 per gram.
After that folks just weren't prepared to pay the price, and it was over a period of several years that pot prices in Oz stabilized, with ounces of good dope for $250-280 seemed to become the median price, with exceptional dope being more, but not much!
In the cities "street prices" became; Quarter ounces/7 grams, are usually between $60-100 with "threefers" aka 'a thrifty' which is 3 grams for $50 ... and grams were between $15-20.
These were the prices in 1990 and they are the prices now 8) (well, except for the crrraaaaayyyyzeeee prices on SR :o)
While the price of living has easily doubled in the past $20+years, the price of pot hasn't,
IF it's price was linked to relative to the cost of other common recreational commodities like alcohol and cigarettes it would be significantly more expensive,
(even though most of the price increases for alcohol and tobacco have been taxes! the prices relative to wages/disposable income would definitely be a lot more that what it is,)
It appears as if the customers ARE prepared to pay ??? :P
Surely if no-one was buying at those prices you would think the vendor would lower their prices :-\ but if, as the vendors have done here, they raise the price, it MUST be becoz there are people buying it at those prices, or it just wouldn't make ANY sense to sell the stuff, coz you wouldn't be selling much at those prices!
I for one, don't have to go far to get a very nice threefer of pot (today it was old school skunk! I haven't seen any skunk in...in ages!) The smell brings back many good memories ;D
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whoever bought 100mg of heroin for 100$ please kill yourselves
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Listen up..
Vendor here.
I can shed a little bit of light on why prices are so high in Australia, at least personally. First let me state that if I source a product domestically or from China (take my NBOMe blotter for instance - I was selling them at $2 a pop) I will price them fairly, however, if I am importing from overseas, this is where some factors comes into play.
Sometimes one would have to import from overseas and as everyone knows Australian Customs set a benchmark in seizure rates. As a vendor I have my fair share of stuff nicked. This incurs losses. It doesn't matter how well it has been packaged by the supplier. Heat sealed, vacuum sealed, stealthy, whatever. Australian Customs have got the process down pat. So, taking into account all of a vendors losses from importation seizures, this is one factor that will drive up cost.
Another factor is the risk associated with importation. We can not put our asses on the line to just go ahead and sell for a nominal price. That is not fair to the vendors. We are at a heightened level of risk opposed to other countries for the reasons stated above (Our customs department). Those who buy domestically don't have to worry about customs at all.
I agree with the sentiments in this thread. Domestic products like weed and domestic meth are way over-priced. although OP, You say you can get a gram of MDMA for $40? That's ridiculous. 1 gram of MDMA is about 10 very decent rolls. 10 rolls for $40? Don't think so. Domestic MDMA curdles in comparison to import anyway. A gram of domestic MDMA is more like 0.2g of Import.
If you want a premium product from overseas like pure S-Isomer ketamine, you should expect to pay a good price. $200. A price that I think is quite fair. Keep in mind domestic postage has a 99% success rate. We sacrifice our safety so you don't have to deal with the risk of the Australian Federal Customs agency.
One more factor; We as Australians make more money than our counterparts in America or elsewhere. Our grocery prices are higher, our housing is higher, our WAGES are higher. Whilst marginal, this will also increase prices. Complain to the government, not me.
All these things stacked together result in the prices you see in Silkroad today.
We are really not ripping you folks off. It costs us money and time to maintain our service to you. Personally I provide an extremely high quality, timely and professional service. Much more than one can say for street level dealers.
Regards.
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Man I feel for you guys over there in the AUS. Here in the US and A we get weed bottom line price daily. Boycott forsure! Id stop smoking weed having to pay 70-80 and eighth!
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tldr
But at the end of the day, If you dont like the prices then dont buy it, there are plenty of other people that will buy it. Hence why its always on short supply and sold out.
Why would someone (except those with mental retardation) want to make least amount of money on something. It's simply business, Why would a vendor/or any seller/company in the world for that matter, aim to make low profits?
If you were to sell something, you'd want to sell it at the highest price you could to get as much money as you can, there is no being nice in business, and there are no friends in business. Everyone is competitive and wants the most money for themselves.
Vendors take on the risks of importing, keeping jailtime amounts within their reach, Bitcoins/SR Fees, etc.. list goes on.
And the Market price is set in according to supply and demand (This is for pretty much everything in the world), if people are willing to pay that much, then yes it will be sold for that much, or else someone else will buy it.
Do you think making these threads is gonna hit a soft spot in a vendors heart or conscience , and then all of a sudden theyre gonna lower their prices?
It doesnt matter what you do, or say. Even if you somehow convinced people to stop buying for a week or 2, I highly doubt a vendor is gonna be shitting himself, because hes not going to be able to pay his phone bill or whatever.
Someone else will simply take advantage of this wonderful service, and make the purchase.
The simple fact of the matter is, if you dont like the prices, then you go order o/s yourself, taking on all the risks of importing, with a decent chance of it not even arriving.
Or go buy it on the street for double the vendors price, with half the quality.
It's really quite simple.
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At the risk of being scoffed at, I will throw in my 2 cents. I sell for exactly the same price to Australia as I do to any other country. Also I have gone to an all-FE business model which some people don't like, but at the same time I am dropping prices so that I can be as competitive as possible and still make a buck and pay the elves what they deserve.
I will also be very frank and say that what some people are charging seems crazy. I don't sell meth or weed or the like, but I have seen the ugly prices. Also I have heard that Body Research Dianabol tablets are selling for $5 each on the streets in Australia- but I sell them for about $25 per HUNDRED. You can not answer every pricing question with economics. Not every dealer sells for "whatever the market will bear". I have my detractors on here and maybe they will speak up, but when you have as many transactions as I do (in the thousands) and you run feedback of 99.6% to 100% on average- well, the elves and I are doing something right. We only have 10 months here on Silk Road, but we have been active in this business for about 21-22 months if you count the threads on bitcointalk.org and our storefront on Black Market Reloaded.
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Flaxceed: I believe that when the OP made this thread and invited vendors to discuss, he didn't intend for said vendors to merely turn it into personal advertising.
As for prices: I buy from overseas, if Aussies wanna pay insane prices for substandard product, go for it. I would prefer to take the risk that one or two get siezed.
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Rumor Mill = Discussion of Vendors and their products, which is exactly what this post is about.
I can not hold on to this any longer, i must get this off my chest, my fucking head is literally going to explode if i don't say it.
$80 AUD for ONE HUNDRED MILLIGRAMS OF METH??!! Are you fucking serious? That's THIRTY DOLLARS HIGHER than what it should be.
$80 AUD for 3.5 GRAMS (NOT KILOS!!!) of regular weed? WHAT. THE. FUCK. is that shit about? IS IT FUCKEN GOLD PLATED WEED? THATS THIRTY DOLLARS HIGHER than what it should be.
I'm looking at EVERY SINGLE AUSSIE VENDOR, Top 1%'ers included. There's making a good profit, then theres PROFITEERING. All the vendors must gather around and PRICE FIX EVERYTHING so that the local market has no choice but to pay WELL ABOVE TOP DOLLAR. This is an illegal market of course, there are no rules to say that vendors can't price fix there merchandise. No 'policing' is done of the vendors to make sure they stay within the non-existent guidelines of so-called 'fair market pricing'
Here's some more outrageously high prices (i'm taking these from the bestselling aus domestic listings):
weed: 3.5g northern lights hydro - $74 - should be $50 delivered - still be profitable
weed: 2g hydro - $56 - should be $40 delievered - still be profitable
weed: 7g indica-sativa (probly bush) $122.63 - should be $90 delivered - still be profitable
heres a duesy: 3.5 grams of Fleetwood OG Kush for $105.26 - WTF?!? That should be $60 delivered AT THE MOST.
meth? dont bother looking no one sells it for under $80 a point, highest ive seen so far is $90 per POINT. $30 a point will still be profitable.
MDMA - 500 MILLIGRAMS for $170 AUD holy fuck thats just a fucking joke, Shit sells for $40 a GRAM and people still profit from it.
MDMA grey ohms 5 PILLS for $130 - that's $26 EACH. And that's this vendors idea of an Introductory Price? LOL.
HEROIN #4 - ONE HUNDRED DOLLARS PER 100mg - no comment to that. Or $400 for 500mg, another SICK JOKE.
ONE 80mg oxyconitin pill - One Hundred Fucking Dollars?! No thanks!
Cocaine: 1 gram $356!
Ketamine: 1 gram for $190 - $40 from UK
MDPV : ONE HUNDRED MILLIGRAMS FOR $170 - lol! pathetic!
The list goes on and on. Thats just the cream of the crap.
Don't give us your shit about having to increase cost to cover importation issues either, that's just bullshit.
You could sell 3.5g of weed for $50 and still be making a tidy profit. You could sell a point of Meth for $50 AND STILL BE MAKING A TIDY FUCKING PROFIT FFS!!!
1 Gram of Aus Meth local from SR is roughly $500 (a "supposedly good" AUD local price) to EIGHT HUNDRED dollars. I can buy a gram of Meth from USA for $70. If 5 of those packages were to be caught and the sixth one got trough to me, i would still have only spent $420, still nearly ONE HUNDRED DOLLARS LESS THAN WHAT YOU CHARGE FOR ONE GRAM HERE.
You should be damn well ashamed of yourselves. You obviously know what empathy is, but just don't give two fucks about other people. Just their hard-earned money.
I am glad that i have the option of buying OS. I'd be fucking broke otherwise. You do not see other countries vendors completely ripping off their own countrymen. IN FACT - they usually get their drugs DISCOUNTED for domestic deliveries! Can you believe that?! It's like some beautiful fairy tale with a happy ending!!
Time and time again i look through aussie vendor feedback for insanely priced items thinking to myself: "These people must be absolute morons to pay these prices AND BE HAPPY AND THANKFUL FOR THE SERVICE"?!?!
And no need to tell me that if i dont like it dont buy it, because i wont buy any of it. EVER. Other, more fair priced OS vendors will get my business instead. Sure i may lose a few deliveries to customs, but i'll still be coming out on top money wise. IF (and that's a pretty big IF, like a 72 point font size IF) you aussie vendors pull your fingers out of your arses, then i might start giving you some of my patronage.
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Dude its not "rediculous" Why dont you try to smuggle SOMETHING, ANYTHING, into aus and see why the hell the price is so high... The price is so fucking high because its 5-50x harder to smuggle into AUS than it is in the US and so, the prices reflect that. Its common sense... Same reasons why everything is so much more expensive in Alaska than calfiornia.
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So over the last 25 years, pot (and many other illicit drugs) hasn't changed price ONE CENT. While every single government taxed item has DOUBLED in price or more. Including tampons.
1gram $20
3.5gram $50
7gram $100
So why the jump in price to this after 30 years? Suddenly all the dealers here are losing their shit to customs aye? Even the ones who GROW IT THEMSELVES?? I call BULLSHIT.
1gram $40
3.5gram $105
7gram $200
And shit is not 5-50x harder to smuggle here than the US! This is the largest island continent in the world, its circumference is fucking huge and customs cant watch it completely all the time. If you cant smuggle something in here successfully, DONT SELL BLOODY DRUGS. Go work in fucken K-Mart or some gay shit like that.
Every one of my international orders (ranging from 1gram up to ounces or more at a time) have made it through customs. Stuff that would make it onto the local news if picked up.
And you can't pass the cost of losing a delivery to customs on to the customer - THATS A FUCKING DOG ACT, you cop it on the chin like a fucking man, buncha fucken pussies in this country, need to drink a cuppa concrete.
"Oh shit i lost my ounce of mdma to customs, let me order another one then charge TEN TIMES AS MUCH to my customers to recoup my losses." YEEEEAAHHHH thats fucking fair aint it!? (THATS FUCKING SARCASM) Let's be realistic, you would've charged ten times as much anyway right? Cause this is Australia! Home of the descendents of english criminals.
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What an interesting thread Fallkniven.
Yes indeed, prices are amazingly high...I concur.
I also understand the vendor's view point too (Alchemiester points out so succinctly)...risk etc.
Stepping back however, the wonderful thing that we have been given is choice. Choice to pay a premium and have diminished risk and speed of delivery and choice to pay less with increased risk and potentially longer delivery times.
Considering the contraband that we are dealing with here....I'll pleased as punch to be able to access the Road (and these forums) and to weight up my choices.....choices that I never had before. :)
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Good points made there Mum. (ive gone on a bit of a rant further on, its not based at you!)
But why should we as customers be forced to pay a premium, when that premium is forced onto customers needlessly fueled by greed and the acquisition of wealth? Luckily i have the choice of going to much fairer, OS vendors. At little risk.
The only argument i've seen so far for these high prices is because of the risk of having ones imported drugs stolen by customs. But like i said, passing that cost onto the customers is a very low act (sometimes may even be a placebo addition to cost, not EVERY SINGLE import is stolen by customs) and completely unjustified.
If i, as a customer/user, take the risk of importing from overseas and the package is stolen by customs, I take it on the chin, else my purchasing stats are severely tarnished when getting a refund, to the point where i would not be allowed to purchase from SR vendors. Yet, if i, as a vendor/seller, take the risk of importing from overseas and the package is stolen by customs, i just up the price of my next successfully imported batch to cover the loss. If vendors are rolling the dice outside of SR for their sources, not using escrow, paying some dodgy chinese company big bucks before they send packages, that is YOUR PROBLEM. You don't pass that shit onto us you fucktards!@
Then there are the vendors who just 'join in' with the price fixing, with no real need to raise prices, just because 'they can'. Basically, that's being A GREEDY LITTLE SHIT!
Too many people being greedy little shits, is what has FUCKED THIS WORLD UP for the last 5000 years and for ALL future generations (of which i don't think there will be many)
Maybe it's just me, but i think that is really fucked up, and i'm so happy that i live so far away from this supposed "civil"ization. Every time i go to town to do grocery shopping, it makes me sick to my stomach and i absolutely cannot wait to get out of there. It's also the reason i have decided not to bring children up in this fuct country/world. What sort of future would I be leaving them in? Fuck that.
In all honesty, I would much prefer to keep my cash in this country, i would much prefer to buy from local domestic sellers, but not at these prices. It's literally cheaper to throw the dice on an OS import and still come out well on top. It's that simple. Up to 3 grams is personal use, slap on the wrist if you have no prior convictions.
If more people get pissed off about these shithouse aussie prices, wheels will slowly turn, that's how revolutions start. Prices will drop back to normal, the domestic sellers will then get more business from domestic buyers that are returning to normal prices. Although with the attitudes of most Australians, i expect the sellers will be halving their product quality at the same time just so they can "break even"
btw, it sounded like flaxceed was just comparing the price difference between aus product and his product. I personally didn't take it as advertising.
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... although OP, You say you can get a gram of MDMA for $40? That's ridiculous. 1 gram of MDMA is about 10 very decent rolls. 10 rolls for $40? Don't think so...
1g of MDMA from MarijuanaIsMyMuse is $40 - There's 10 rolls for $4 each. If you thinks that's good, look below.
Bestselling AU MDMA is $34.00 per dose (0.5gram order - 5 rolls @ $34.00 each = $170) - http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/item/20d167c74b
Bestselling OS MDMA is $2.35 per dose (10gram order - 100 rolls @ $2.35 each = $235) - http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/item/ea8eb1546a
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... although OP, You say you can get a gram of MDMA for $40? That's ridiculous. 1 gram of MDMA is about 10 very decent rolls. 10 rolls for $40? Don't think so...
1g of MDMA from MarijuanaIsMyMuse is $40 - There's 10 rolls for $4 each. If you thinks that's good, look below.
Bestselling AU MDMA is $34.00 per dose (0.5gram order - 5 rolls @ $34.00 each = $170) - http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/item/20d167c74b
Bestselling OS MDMA is $2.35 per dose (10gram order - 100 rolls @ $2.35 each = $235) - http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/item/ea8eb1546a
Whilst I sympathise with your rant and understand seeing such cheap OS prices can induce such rage, you must understand the difference in international markets.
Set aside all the risk of importation and customs stuff. These are factors but minor ones at that, in hindsight.
The question you should be asking is,
Why is the minimum wage in America half that of Australia?
Why is a car in America a third of what it costs in Australia?
How is housing in America one FIFTH of what it is in Australia?
Why are groceries in America one third of what they are in Australia?
Your answer will be the answer to why drugs are so expensive in Australia and so cheap overseas.
Australians get paid a lot more, and have a lot more expenses.
As a Vendor this transcribes to a need for higher prices, to maintain our cost of living.
It's akin to the Web Design industry. Australians try to charge a price they see fit to make it possible for them to survive, but businesses are overwhelmingly taking their business to India because they can get a MUCH cheaper rate. The Australians aren't rip off's, they are simply trying to make enough to survive and become a profitable business.
Take ALL these factors into account next time, and if you don't like it, simply buy from Overseas and deal with the risk and long wait times. No need to rant mate.
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Is anyone factoring in the price of Express post ?
And the SR fees for sellers , and the price to cash out there bitcoins ... pretty easy to see why there's a few dollars chucked on top ..
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* UP UNTIL 6weeks ago I would get Aus weed at normal price + p/h.
Not complaining cause things are more expensive here, complaining that its more expensive NOW! I have previously stated that I am happy to pay somethin'somethin... extra but Double or even Triple 'GET FUCKED!'
$70 / $80 PLUS $10-$20 post/handling for 3.5g weed is not acceptable!
* * Buyers take risks also, we trust the venders with our details, that they don't taint our products, that packaging is secure etc etc etc.
We also have the extra expenses of buying the bitcoins in the first place with fees, BC value changes ($21 today), SR hedge fees...
Good luck to you venders if you can sell with 100% markup on reg prices BUT it will not last, enjoy it because when the silly season is well and truly over the regulars are all you are going to have left to make money from for the rest of the year and how many of us will return with the total lack of respect that's been shown to us?
For those that are paying those prices :o
MONEY TALKS OR IT WALKS!
I have tried my damnedest to stay local and prefer aussie grown but a girls gotta do what a girls gotta do!
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Flaxceed: I believe that when the OP made this thread and invited vendors to discuss, he didn't intend for said vendors to merely turn it into personal advertising.
As for prices: I buy from overseas, if Aussies wanna pay insane prices for substandard product, go for it. I would prefer to take the risk that one or two get siezed.
Maybe I failed to make my point. The same stealth that gets your product into Australia will work for Sweden or Germany or most other countries. I have been successful (as my feedback shows) with pricing my products exactly the same for any country. If vendors are charging more for Australia or if they have very high prices and sell only to Australia I call this profiteering.
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I think people are just blaming AUS customs, when they aren't even as tough as any other country like USA and such. Quit with the lies vendors help the people out.
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I feel for you aussies you guys are getting the shaft, hard! I'm almost positive my pride wouldn't allow me to pay that much for any drug. I would just have to bite the bullet and do the research and start producing.
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Aussie dealers are charging standard prices off the road ...the sticking point lies with Aussie vendors charging Aussie prices on silk road.
I suppose if you want the gear in time for the weekend fair play/ or if you can't really afford to burn your drop address.
Good to see some healthy competition in the crack/ smack markets
I myself maybe tempted
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Its an open market. Supply and Demand. Doesnt bother me.
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Upon reflection and purely based upon the cost of goods sold, I would imagine that if overseas vendors are dramatically cheaper than Australian vendors, then the difference is an obvious vacuum to be filled.
This thread has certainly pointed out the dramatic difference between the two. Then on speculation, one would gather that it's only a period of time before this gap in the market is filled.
Knowing the Aussie prices, the less than average quality and the rather large demand, then a golden opportunity awaits the bold, honest and respectful.
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A lot of you are overlooking the fact that in Australia, everything costs more. It's how we live. We get paid higher wages to compensate for this, which international people do not understand.
It is fair.
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SR is a great place with some bargains from local sellers...
Before i found sr i would buy .1 of meth not that great quality for $100, 1/2g $300-$400, 1g $600- $800.
For me to come on here and get a .1 of great quality meth thats imported for $55-$80 that actually does something and doesnt turn black when smoking i think its great, Saving me money.
Ok so weed is outrageous but not everyone has the luxury of living where weed is cheap and plentiful... Like me...
Before i found sr i would pay $180-$230 on the street for a 10 pack of pills that frankly do FUCK ALL need to double drop to feel anything for a short period of time, I would be happy as larry to pay $200-$250 for a gram of pure mdma that would rock my world....And everyone i know would too but pure mdma just isnt that well known where i am.
Where i am i think coke costs $400+ per gram and id say its shit but never bought it local, Again $300-$350 here is a good price...
As someone else said our costs of living are higher than other countries and most of these drugs do not originate from here so...
YES VENDORS ARE CHARGING A FAIR PRICE....my $0.02.... if thats a fair price?
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I think this is a big part of the problem. Australian vendor's still think they are only competing against street vendor pricing. and this is essentially true because Australian consumers aren't willing to take the chance with O/S vendors due to the supposed 'selective scamming' and purported omniscience of Aus customs.
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It's not a 'purported omniscience' when every single O/S vendor doesn't offer the same reship/refund rate to Australian customers opposed to other countries/continents.
Obviously a lot more seizures happen going to Australia.
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It's not a 'purported omniscience' when every single O/S vendor doesn't offer the same reship/refund rate to Australian customers opposed to other countries/continents.
Obviously a lot more seizures happen going to Australia.
Or a lot more Australians lie and say they didn't get their shit? ;)
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Yup our country is a giant cunt and we're getting fucked.. Hard..
Aint that the truth,... I aways tell my friends who bitch about street prices of drugs and the prices on SR to be thankful... Why do I tell them this?
Because I tell them to go look at how much the Aussies are paying for their drugs. Its a sad fact and I feel bad for our Australian brothers...
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It's not a 'purported omniscience' when every single O/S vendor doesn't offer the same reship/refund rate to Australian customers opposed to other countries/continents.
Obviously a lot more seizures happen going to Australia.
Or a lot more Australians lie and say they didn't get their shit? ;)
Most aussies are descent honest ppl...
You only need to check out last years customs report to see the amount of seizures that were made last year to gather how much is not getting through.... 2011 108 seizures 2012 900+ seizures for mdma... big jump.
http://www.customs.gov.au/site/page4283.asp Choose html DO NOT D/L PDF...
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LAST YEARS AUS CUSTOMS ANNUAL REPORT
http://www.customs.gov.au/site/page4283.asp
HTML/Illicit drugs and precursors.... DO NOT D/L PDF VIA TOR HTML IS FINE.
Detections Weight (kg)(a)
2009–10 2010–11 2011–12 2009–10 2010–11 2011–12
Cargo and postal(f)
Cannabis 1 408 2 092 2 629 16.83 57.81 15.29
Cocaine 269 465 952 350.53 267.21 420.41
Heroin 204 198 161 81.6 379.69 237.77
MDMA (ecstasy) 49 108 961 5.35 8.76 11.88
ATS(Meth/speed) 649 1 063 1 038 54.14 97.77 328.14
Precursors(c) 643 675 868 626.26 3 377.29 1 817.20
PIEDs(d) 2 493 5 356 8 314 — — —
Other(e) 3 289 4 768 5 605 — — —
There was an increase of 41 per cent in the number of detections this year, compared to 2010–11, while the total weight of detections for 2011–12 has decreased by 26 per cent from 2010–11
21 828 detections, compared with 15 492 detections in 2010–11.
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I was kidding, Bob. I've seen Border Security on TV!
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I was kidding, Bob. I've seen Border Security on TV!
Lol i was kidding too, considering most of us are descendants of convicts..... hahaha
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The problem with the 'Customs Annual Report' is that there is no frame of reference.
e.g. it says they intercepted 328.14kg of meth/speed... but given there is no way to know how much was imported successfully, the number has no meaning.
If a total of 400kg of speed was imported, and 328.14kg was seized... Thats pretty fucking good, and I'd concede that maybe they aren't all useless fuckwits, but if the total amount was 4,000kg... Well, a 10% success rate isn't exactly anything to write home about.
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Some AU vendors are taking the piss but not all, I recall seeing one vendor rorting a gram of mdma for 23+ btc over the Christmas period when all others had sold out, that was blatant profiteering but no one was being forced to buy.
Personally I mostly buy my mdma domestically and my coke from o/s, I only use mdma now and again and I'm happy to pay the domestic tariff for the convenience and guaranteed delivery factor. The vendor I mostly use for that also charges what is in my honest opinion a fair price.
AU domestic drug prices are some of the highest on the planet, I appreciate the lengths some vendors go to getting their inventory into the country and expect to pay a premium if I want that level of service. If a vendor is taking the piss with price then I don't order, go without or take my chances with o/s.
I've seen domestic vendors selling a gram of come for $500+ a gram - basically FUCK THAT!
$220 for a gram of very high quality mdma that will keep me and a heap of my mates happy for the night is a fair price, back in the day aussies paid $50 a pill and were happy with that and that's going back to the mid to late 90's by the way.
Drug prices down under will always be much higher than other countries due to the on average higher income earned here and the issues with importation.
As someone else said earlier in this thread, supply and demand drives price, if don't like it don't buy it.
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The problem with the 'Customs Annual Report' is that there is no frame of reference.
e.g. it says they intercepted 328.14kg of meth/speed... but given there is no way to know how much was imported successfully, the number has no meaning.
If a total of 400kg of speed was imported, and 328.14kg was seized... Thats pretty fucking good, and I'd concede that maybe they aren't all useless fuckwits, but if the total amount was 4,000kg... Well, a 10% success rate isn't exactly anything to write home about.
I just put it here for reference and yea i know what u mean, i did a lil number crunching myself.
Mdma seizures went up 900 odd % where as meth/speed went down.... but i can guarantee you the amount of meth/speed being sent would have jumped not quite as high as mdma but prob similar in %.
They are shit cunts but they did get 800+ more mdma, 500 coke seizures last year, pretty much thats 1300+ sr orders that never made it through.... and the rest.
I d say your 10% rate is about the correct figure. lol
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I think that you may be overestimating the percentile of packages coming in to Australia that originate from SR :P. Especially given the furore regarding selective scamming etc.
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Whats the go with EVEN new venders over-charging? ???
And the seller who has had a very bad run for several weeks now trying to rebuild his reputation by upping his prices IS ABSOLUTE BULLSHIT >:( >:( >:(
gave him a second chance back in DEC, with these prices there is no 3RD chances!
* * HAS ANYONE 'UN FANNED' ? I have... a couple :(
VENDERS: well and truly time to sort your shit out - PRICES / PRODUCT / POSTAGE
;D ;D PB mango is back ;D ;D
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The Aussie weed situation on SR is turning into a joke. Want to buy a 1/2 oz? TWO HUNDRED AND TWENTY DOLLARS! Want to buy an oz? THREE HUNDRED AND NINETY DOLLARS! You gotta be fucking kidding me, that's close to double what you pay in the streets. Whoever is buying this shit needs to get a grip.
Also, 6g of Psilocybe Cubensis mushrooms for $125? That's enough for only 2 decent trips, so $62.5 PER TRIP. You can pick more potent mushrooms that grow naturally in Australia (Psilocybe Subaeruginosa) FOR FREE, after doing a few hours of research of course. I have an oz of dried Subs from last season that I'm probably going to throw away lol.
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Yeah, been watching the prices over the last 2 months. It's ridiculous when I joined SR everything domestic was cheaper then I could get local but now buying local is easily half the price compared to buying on SR(unless international obviously) It's a shame
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I think that you may be overestimating the percentile of packages coming in to Australia that originate from SR :P. Especially given the furore regarding selective scamming etc.
You maybe correct but maybe wrong too.
2009–10 2010–11 2011–12
MDMA (ecstasy) 49 108 961
When did sr first open its doors? February 2011... so since sr started look at the rise in mdma seizures, the figures speak for themselves.... the seizure rate went up 900 odd % last year so did the amount being sent go up 900 odd % also? very likely....
Or maybe even more...
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so far from ~23 votes, it's over 70% yes.
i've noticed a few new aussie vendors starting up with these ridiculous prices as introduction offers
3.5grams 1/8th OZ of AAAA+ medical Jack Herer - $82.13 + ~$30 for stealth express shipping - *shakes head* What a fucking joke! Is your family starving or what?!
500mg MDMA - $216.50 + ~$30 stealth express shipping - *puts gun to head* (3 good doses for someone that isnt a skinny little fucker with fuck all tolerance)
1 x 80mg oxycontin pill - $131 + ~$30 stealth express shipping - *pulls trigger* (FOUR idiots have paid for this AND been thankful for being raped in the ass)
Remember, if things ever go back to normal (which i highly doubt), then i will happily delete this thread.
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What vendor is charging $216 for 500mg of MDMA + shipping?!?!? that is fucking scandalous!!
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@ssbd
pm sent
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Those prices are outfuckingrageous!!
ChemicalEnergy - care to comment on your pricing??
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What vendor is charging $216 for 500mg of MDMA + shipping?!?!? that is fucking scandalous!!
Lmao
500mg MDMA - $216.50 + ~$30 stealth express shipping - *puts gun to head* (3 good doses for someone that isnt a skinny little fucker with fuck all tolerance)
Yes it is samesame.... Hell the shipping alone is covering the cost of what the vendor would have paid for that entire 1/2gram....
This guy must shit diamonds or something to think he can charge that much and still sleep at night...
Simply put... Dont support GREEDY RIP OFFS, They are scamming within the rules....
Fallkniven
"Remember, if things ever go back to normal (which i highly doubt), then i will happily delete this thread."
I hope something comes of this thread and aus sellers start charging adequate prices, Everyone needs to make a buck but some sellers are trying to rape the aus sr community so the community needs to rape them back by letting them go on without making any money and let them sit on there stock for months without a single sale.....
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I think this thread needs to stay here AS A CONSTANT REMINDER!!
There is always some bastard who thinks he can pull this crap, just a shame we have to wade through several buckets of shit to get to the goods !!
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What vendor is charging $216 for 500mg of MDMA + shipping?!?!? that is fucking scandalous!!
Lmao
500mg MDMA - $216.50 + ~$30 stealth express shipping - *puts gun to head* (3 good doses for someone that isnt a skinny little fucker with fuck all tolerance)
Yes it is samesame.... Hell the shipping alone is covering the cost of what the vendor would have paid for that entire 1/2gram....
This guy must shit diamonds or something to think he can charge that much and still sleep at night...
Simply put... Dont support GREEDY RIP OFFS, They are scamming within the rules....
Fallkniven
"Remember, if things ever go back to normal (which i highly doubt), then i will happily delete this thread."
I hope something comes of this thread and aus sellers start charging adequate prices, Everyone needs to make a buck but some sellers are trying to rape the aus sr community so the community needs to rape them back by letting them go on without making any money and let them sit on there stock for months without a single sale.....
I think you said it perfectly BB when you said do not support these greedy rip off merchants. how the hell can you justify $30 domestic shipping!? does it come in a gold envelope?
Anyone paying those prices either has more money than sense or is a complete tool. Sorry to anyone who has but seriously... what were you thinking!!
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another top aussie seller has just upped their 100mg meth price from $75 to $100 - an appalling low for australia. you can find it on the top position of bestselling australian stimulants :o :-[ :-\ :'( >:(
another aussie seller is selling pink meth for $80 per point - meth hcl should be clear or translucent shards, any other colors mean that it has not been cooked or cleaned properly.
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another top aussie seller has just upped their 100mg meth price from $75 to $100 - an appalling low for australia. you can find it on the top position of bestselling australian stimulants :o :-[ :-\ :'( >:(
another aussie seller is selling pink meth for $80 per point - meth hcl should be clear or translucent shards, any other colors mean that it has not been cooked or cleaned properly.
How about editing the first page of this thread and have a list of the worst offenders in order of ridiculousness?
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that sounds like a good idea to me mate, but it will have to wait until morning, i'm pretty stoned at the moment... ;) 8) (thanks to international vendor NoStress - you rock dude - recommend his 1g barney farms vanilla kush delivered for $30 - update: he's out of the kush, but i still recommend it when he has it)
i'll begin making a list of the worst offenders... i've got some good ideas floating around too for the layout and general feel of the page, think 'derryn hinch, shame, australia, shame!" but try not to think of Steve Vizard doing Hinch, cause then it just seems way too funny lol
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that sounds like a good idea to me mate, but it will have to wait until morning, i'm pretty stoned at the moment... ;) 8) (thanks to international vendor NoStress - you rock dude - recommend his 1g barney farms vanilla kush delivered for $30 - update: he's out of the kush, but i still recommend it when he has it)
i'll begin making a list of the worst offenders... i've got some good ideas floating around too for the layout and general feel of the page, think 'derryn hinch, shame, australia, shame!" but try not to think of Steve Vizard doing Hinch, cause then it just seems way too funny lol
Alternatively to keep it proactive you could list the vendors in price order from the cheapest to the most expensive, that way it's not a vendor bashing exercise, it's a helpful list of options to help buyers make informed choices. That would hopefully promote some competition and highlight the disparity in what some are charging.
I'm still of the view if you don't like it don't but it but there are only a few reliable vendors not rorting and inflated prices will if not questioned become the established norm. No one can in all consciousness justify some of those prices you listed earlier, no fucking way.
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I dont like bashing anyone, period. I take no joy from naming vendors that charge too much, i do take joy in spruiking a particular vendor for their great prices and service.
Which i will do for both Light and Dark sides of the force. Spruik the Good, the Bad and the Ugly.
Tomorrow... what i'm thinking of doing may take a few days to set up properly...
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In my time of being here I have only purchased domestic weed, and that's when it was the same as the street price. Every other substance I have turned to O/S sellers because the risk of it failing to come through is still cheaper than turning to domestic sellers.
Ridiculous.
Keen on this thread.
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A revolution in Australian SR prices may require some reliable overseas vendors that charge a bit extra for PROPER stealth and packaging (like Kush411). These vendors could even charge way more than usual, and it will still beat the crap out of Australian prices. I'm surprised there's no other vendors doing the same thing. I would gladly pay extra for proper stealth and almost guaranteed delivery; sure as hell beats the insane price mark-up on other drugs.
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I can't see that working. The fact of the matter is only a small percentage of Australian consumers use the forums, and the forums are really the only place where such a product could be advertised effectively. Every vendor and their dog advertise "stealth shipping" , merely adding "really good stealth shipping" won't change much regarding how often their product is purchased by Aussies.
I think a better solution would be to get an Australian reseller willing to sell at a lower markup. I wouldn't even mind paying merely double the O/S price if it were domestic, and I'm pretty sure a 2x markup will still cover all the bases and net a tidy profit for the vendor.
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I have always heard that the price for drugs in Australia is several times as much as the cost in USA and most other countries, so I am not really surprised. I guess that is what happens when you have tight customs, very little domestic production of anything but weed and shrooms, have no land connections to production countries and are not on any major trafficking routes.
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I have always heard that the price for drugs in Australia is several times as much as the cost in USA and most other countries, so I am not really surprised. I guess that is what happens when you have tight customs, very little domestic production of anything but weed and shrooms, have no land connections to production countries and are not on any major trafficking routes.
all those concerns mean little when considering the fact that aussie prices, over the last 30 years, have been worldwide standard prices (read: low, normal prices!), especially for weed.
it's only in the last few months that aussie vendors on SR have started bleeding their customers dry. they are preying on peoples fears that aussie customs are super heroes. using it as an excuse to justify selling Methamphetamine for $1.00 per Milligram. basically taking advantage of the fact that most aussies are too scared to order from overseas due to watching border patrol too much.
aussie cops are absolute fucking dogs, they flat out lie to people to makes themselves look big and tough. "aussie cops" includes customs and all their superior officers, right up the the tight-arse fucks who lounge around all day in leather recliners, creating fucked up laws that erode our human rights away slowly but surely.
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It's not a 'purported omniscience' when every single O/S vendor doesn't offer the same reship/refund rate to Australian customers opposed to other countries/continents.
Obviously a lot more seizures happen going to Australia.
Your customs are no better than UK customs, but they have an easier job because of the long transit times and odour leakage. A large percentage of orders I've received safely in the UK have been insufficiently packed to make it safely to Australia, a single vac seal will stink by the time it gets down under. Multiply that by the fact that even if we post orders at different offices or towns, they'll likely all end up in the same bag for Australia so when they nab one they find lots more.
I've never had a problem with your customs, and about 30% of my Salvia orders come from Australia, heat seal foil is cheaper than vac sealing so it doesn't cost more to be smellproof :)
I've also never had a problem with Aussie buyers scamming by claiming non delivery :)
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I can't see that working. The fact of the matter is only a small percentage of Australian consumers use the forums, and the forums are really the only place where such a product could be advertised effectively. Every vendor and their dog advertise "stealth shipping" , merely adding "really good stealth shipping" won't change much regarding how often their product is purchased by Aussies.
I think a better solution would be to get an Australian reseller willing to sell at a lower markup. I wouldn't even mind paying merely double the O/S price if it were domestic, and I'm pretty sure a 2x markup will still cover all the bases and net a tidy profit for the vendor.
There are quite a few aussies on here mate, not sure of the overall percentage compared to buyers but we are not small in number.
I still strongly promote the need for change in stealth and shipping practices and this is the place to build momentum.
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It's not a 'purported omniscience' when every single O/S vendor doesn't offer the same reship/refund rate to Australian customers opposed to other countries/continents.
Obviously a lot more seizures happen going to Australia.
Your customs are no better than UK customs, but they have an easier job because of the long transit times and odour leakage. A large percentage of orders I've received safely in the UK have been insufficiently packed to make it safely to Australia, a single vac seal will stink by the time it gets down under. Multiply that by the fact that even if we post orders at different offices or towns, they'll likely all end up in the same bag for Australia so when they nab one they find lots more.
I've never had a problem with your customs, and about 30% of my Salvia orders come from Australia, heat seal foil is cheaper than vac sealing so it doesn't cost more to be smellproof :)
I've also never had a problem with Aussie buyers scamming by claiming non delivery :)
Hey PlutoPete, thanks for contributing and as always you are one of the very few who have seen the light with non permeable packaging, can you please start a discussion in the vendor forum on this topic, I could but I am not a vendor so it would probably be better received coming from someone such as yourself.
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I can't see that working. The fact of the matter is only a small percentage of Australian consumers use the forums, and the forums are really the only place where such a product could be advertised effectively. Every vendor and their dog advertise "stealth shipping" , merely adding "really good stealth shipping" won't change much regarding how often their product is purchased by Aussies.
I think a better solution would be to get an Australian reseller willing to sell at a lower markup. I wouldn't even mind paying merely double the O/S price if it were domestic, and I'm pretty sure a 2x markup will still cover all the bases and net a tidy profit for the vendor.
There are quite a few aussies on here mate, not sure of the overall percentage compared to buyers but we are not small in number.
I still strongly promote the need for change in stealth and shipping practices and this is the place to build momentum.
What I meant was that of the total population of Australian's(or indeed any nationality) who buy off SR, only a somewhat small percentile actively browse the forums.
I think the postage time from O/S to Aus is probably a bigger drawback for a lot of Aussies than the potential for customs interception.
I agree re: stealth/shipping practices however. Even merely adding a second vac seal would have a huge impact on success rates.
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Why is Aus so anti drugs anyway in particular weed they hate they stuff, I would love to sit down with the Aussie government and show a thing or two, alcohol abuse seems to be high over there and thats acceptable? just seems crazy to me.
Yeah the prices are high but for premium hash here in the UK your looking at between £15-£45 per gram on sr so I feel your pain brother.
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Although the prices are high, at least its good to know its here and easily available.
I'm sure if there were more local vendors, that would lower the prices one would hope..
I mean at least we have australian vendors. But the prices are such where it would be very hard to re-sell and make a profit.
Maybe thats why some people are complaining about the prices also?
Must say, i dont think a majority of weed growers even know of SR? ???
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Yeah you poor Aussies are getting raped. Shit is pretty messed up.
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Although the prices are high, at least its good to know its here and easily available.
I'm sure if there were more local vendors, that would lower the prices one would hope..
I mean at least we have australian vendors. But the prices are such where it would be very hard to re-sell and make a profit.
Maybe thats why some people are complaining about the prices also?
Must say, i dont think a majority of weed growers even know of SR? ???
I agree it is good we have domestic vendors but those who are marking up their prices by exorbitant margins are taking the piss e.g $400+ for a gram of mdma or coke, I mean come on!!
I have paid the domestic tariff for convenience and speed of delivery several times and I am happy to pay a FAIR price for that level of service and convenience but I do draw the line at being exploited.
I order from o/s all the time and for the most part it makes it, some of the prices being listed recently beggar belief.
just my 2 cents...
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with the bitcoins doubling, i keep thinking that prices have gone down heaps, but then i realise its just the same haha
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Although the prices are high, at least its good to know its here and easily available.
I'm sure if there were more local vendors, that would lower the prices one would hope..
I mean at least we have australian vendors. But the prices are such where it would be very hard to re-sell and make a profit.
Maybe thats why some people are complaining about the prices also?
Must say, i dont think a majority of weed growers even know of SR? ???
i dont think a majority of weed growers even know of SR? Theres only a handful of weed vendors on sr and most of them prob dont grow themselves apart from one or two that also sell seeds ect that more than likely grow there own.
Id say 99.99999% of aus weed growers wouldnt know or wouldnt even be interested in selling on sr, most big time growers wouldnt want to mess around with small sales and taking extra risk transporting to post boxes everyday they just want it out of there house/yard ect so they got there money and evidence is out of there hands then start on the next crop.
I can say from personal experience that growing more than a couple plants indoors is a very time consuming job, i can only imagine how time consuming it would be to pack orders for customers on sr to go through the mail? the last thing at smallest a medium sized grower(6+ plants) would want to do after growing his crop and trimming would be to sit down every night and make up pissant small orders then take to the post box daily then after that extra risk and time have to cashout, while they may have kids and wife and a job to go to everyday..... One of the reasons i dont grow these days, became to hectic.
There are some benefits to sr for weed growers tho, may get more for there product than they usually would maybe depending on where they are.... And id say the main benefit a weed grower could gain from sr is reduced traffic going in and out of there house which is something i definitely do not miss.
The outdoor season is coming to a close soon so i think sr will be flooded with weed once they getting pulled.
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Just look at ETM... That fucker is like the Harvey Norman of the road... Death to him.
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Just look at ETM... That fucker is like the Harvey Norman of the road... Death to him.
I reckon you have just poked the beast mate, expect to hear from The Matrix soon I expect :)
I have kept an eye on this thread since first posting here earlier, and the fact seems to be that there is nothing new being spoken of. Same stuff being re-packaged and re-posted, but the message is still the same.
Personally I have no allegiances to any specific vendor... I am yet to order domestic as I have preferred the O/S pricing. BUT, I also acknowledge that I am personally taking a much bigger risk by ordering from O/S... so when my appetite for risk starts to diminish I will no doubt start shopping locally.
I know this has been said a few times on here, but the simple fact is, if you don't like the shop then don't go there. That is the only way that pricing in any free market will change... when demand drops so does pricing to stimulate sales - when demand (and sales) are steady, there is no reason for discounting.
So if you really want local pricing to drop, then stop buying locally... if enough people do that then the drop in demand will either see Vendors drop their prices or go out of business. It's Economics 101, there is nothing new here.
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I manage to charge street prices or better with the 10% included.
You will find 90% of Australian vendors on SR cannot acquire off the streets to begin with hence everything being import prices with loss etc as its the only way they source. As for LSD.. we will be stocked shortly at the same prices as our pills for those not happy with other vendors on here.
If anyone thinks any of my prices are above what they should I'm glad to voice an answer.
SF
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Just look at ETM... That fucker is like the Harvey Norman of the road... Death to him.
Top 1% of SR vendors though mate, he/she/it is gonna make you take the blue pill for that slanderous comment :P
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Bit of a bump, but I had to laugh a bit when I saw it, precursors in Aus now cost more than 5x as much as the O/S price for the actual drug.