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Discussion => Shipping => Topic started by: SmoothriderX on January 09, 2013, 06:36 pm
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Hello,
To our Australian customers. We have been choosing to ship on a case
by case basis to Australia for some time now. We were very close to an
arrangement whereby we would have been able to ship a large order to an
individual in Australia who then could have re-distributed our product
domestically, but unfortunately that fell through for several reasons.
With most of NSW on fire right now, our packages appear to be taking
even longer than normal to get to their final destination, and while we
still do not officially ship to Oceania at this time, we will continue
to access orders on a case by case basis.
We've had great success to Queensland, Victoria, Sydney, etc. so far,
with only a single small order not making it (no customs letter ensued).
We think the prices you pay for our product domestically are insane if
not downright criminal (ha!?). We would love to be the international
vendor of choice for all of you, but it is very difficult for us to
send out the product to meet the demand with all the inherent risks
involved.
So going forward. Please message us on SR prior to placing an order
with us. We would prefer to send larger order (8ths or more) via
courier rather than singles. The Courier is an expensive option ($90
CA) but compared to what you are paying for singles right now
domestically or even on the road, it is still a good bargain. This at
least guarantees you get your product in a timely fashion, and that we
can confirm that is the case.
Recent Feedback we've enjoyed getting:
xxxxxxxx: I have to admit SmoothriderX's gear is up to par with the best of the bunch (Llyod, Budworx, etc).
xxxxxxxx: Quality 5/5 - Up there with MINs old gear. double acetone wash yields approximately 70% (really!!)
Customer Service 5/5 - These guys are pros. They know exactly what they're doing. Fast, friendly and clearly well organised.
xxxxxxxx: Great quality for the price. Good stealth, Probably some of
the best Ive seen so far. Order from SmoothriderX with confidence.
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/1d5ec993b7
Team SRX
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Good luck and I will definitely keep you in mind for the future :)
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Good to know international vendors are willing to branch out and help us little guys. There's a huge market over here.. will keep you in mind for future purchases 100 percent.
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This thread gives me a lot of hope for the aus scene. You are absolutely right re: Australian prices being absurd, its a shame that your project fell through, however if you are still willing to deal with aussies shipping from your normal location, thats good enough for me!
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Without the ridiculous mark up in prices half of us would be out of a 'job' ...
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Is going through a courier any safer than through international mail or is just faster ?
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Is going through a courier any safer than through international mail or is just faster ?
as far as I'm aware, private courier companies DO NOT need a search warrant from a court in order to look through your mail/packages. Where as with Auspost (not talking customs here) if they think a package is suspicious and want to open it up they need to go through the hassle of getting a warrant from the court.
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I thought the general consensus was that couriers were less safe.
I have at least one vendor consistently getting sizeable amounts through. All you need is good packaging and customers are no problem at all.
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Is going through a courier any safer than through international mail or is just faster ?
as far as I'm aware, private courier companies DO NOT need a search warrant from a court in order to look through your mail/packages. Where as with Auspost (not talking customs here) if they think a package is suspicious and want to open it up they need to go through the hassle of getting a warrant from the court.
except your auspost package is most likely to be opened at an international mail centre, where there are plenty of customs officers.
so they might need a warrant, but they would just hand the package to customs and customs will deal with it.
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Is going through a courier any safer than through international mail or is just faster ?
as far as I'm aware, private courier companies DO NOT need a search warrant from a court in order to look through your mail/packages. Where as with Auspost (not talking customs here) if they think a package is suspicious and want to open it up they need to go through the hassle of getting a warrant from the court.
Auspost wouldn't bother getting a warrant they would notify the local police who only need 'reasonable cause' so a suspicion it contains contraband to open it as far as I was aware.
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Unlike similar situations in the U.S, Aust Post doesn't need a court issued warrant to open a suspicious package. They would simply involve the authorities to make that decision, either the Police, Hazmat if they suspected it contained a hazardous material or the Bomb Disposal Unit if a bomb was suspected. Through Customs, if a package requires opening for inspection, Customs must have Aust. Post open the package to allow them to carry out an inspection. The law doesn't permit Custom's to actually open the package to do an inspection (not sure why that is?).
mdmafx is basically correct with what they posted. "Reasonable cause" is all that's needed and as I said, a warrant is not required to open a package.
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I think we downplay our market, Australia is one of the biggest markets on SR given domestic prices so it is hardly surprising to see vendors marketing themselves to aussie buyers. This does unfortunately only draw unnecessary attention to the AU community and ultimately the vendor who risks being targeted and profiled as seen recently with MiMM. Concentrating lots of info in AU specific related threads is a bad idea too.
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Dear God that is disGUSTing Wadozo roflmafao!! ??? Oi oi oi oi oi..... holy crap I honestly don't know where you find em. I was in PM and nearly had a heart attack, thought I'd gone blind for a second.
As to OP q., hmm, yes I would have thought a distributor a good idea as Australia Post and Australian Customs have gone mad lately with mail. This would dis-intermediate that problem. ACE doesn't even ship to AU; only country in the world he won't tap that ass. We Aussies are generally quite eager to trade internationally, both guns and drugs, besides, it makes us feel like a big man doing business with someone O/S ::) A re-shipper food for thought. So long as the prices don't start reflecting our phuced ^ way of doing things. A guy can really clean ^ in AU if not greedy, a lot of people are tired with the street way of dealing.
Piece out. Drive safely. Good thread btw, even if it ends ^ redacted.
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Edit.
Thanks a lot Wad. Now you've switched the alien pic for the Australian flag, my above post sound racist. (Look, I can get you some pics. I got some GREAT pics!)
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G'day Raz. Was just playing around with things. Have a few new ones I'll be testing shortly until I feel which one I like the most. It's a bit like George Costanza from Seinfeld, where he dresses in the morning according to how he feels. I think it's an early episode called The Trip, where he tells Jerry he dresses according to his mood. When Jerry asks what mood he had dressed for on the morning they were leaving , he said "Morning Mist". Sorry there Raz, I digress. Thanks for the offer of some pics Raz, but I literally have a plethora to pick from already. :) More than I'll ever need and then some. ;)
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An option:. http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/item/8789b0f1af
Common sense dictates that AUS/NZ are already topics of hot discussion for import problems, that go beyond SR products, not limited and including invasive species of animals, vegetation, creatures of the sea. Your market is drastically under-served, and until we starting restricting our shipping you all made up better than 60% of our inquiries and orders, this was a complete shock to us, and we have tried to be as honest with you all as possible because we would never want to alienate folks who are turning out to be our better clients.
You are kidding yourself if you don't think LE from every national branch is on here buying from vendors and gathering intel. As long as you use best practices, and keep to high standards, this community can continue to be served internationally.
"Good stealth, Probably some of the best Ive seen so far. Order from SmoothriderX with confidence."
"stealthiest packaging ive seen so far. product is good too. arrived in 9 days to aus"
"great product. Check your mail thoroughly - ridiculous stealth."
SrX
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Was just reading your reviews, very happy customers...your prices are very hard to ignore...
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We need an insured postage option for tracked and signed shipping. 20% higher cost for shipping that is insured 100%. Neither side can scam the other because the packages will need to be tracked on one side, and signed on the other.
What about it, SmoothriderX?
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Insurance probably wont work.
If a buyer wanted to scam, they still could effectively. Paying 120%, and getting 200% back - IE product + money back. Which leaves the vendor out of pocket 80%.
If there was going to be any form of insurance, it should be done with registered tracking post.
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Tango, did you read the first line of what I wrote? "We need an insured postage option for tracked and signed shipping". LOL.
I am sure it could work.
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must of missed the word sign haha
my bad
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Anyway, I think that you will agree that all this controversy concerning Australia has to stop, and most likely we will have to pay a little bit more than people in other countries.
On the other hand, you can also sell the product for a lot more here, if you were so inclined. The drugs in Australia are so weak there is more kick in an asprin.
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Anyway, I think that you will agree that all this controversy concerning Australia has to stop, and most likely we will have to pay a little bit more than people in other countries.
On the other hand, you can also sell the product for a lot more here, if you were so inclined. The drugs in Australia are so weak there is more kick in an asprin.
Absofuckinglutely! the FUD threads and posts need to stop, the amount of misinformation and utter bullshit that gets posted regarding Australia is perpetuating a cycle of scamming by vendors and buyers alike.
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I saw a news article yesterday from a couple months ago that put a supposedly accurate exact number on the amount of seizures of drugs in the mail to WA in a 9 month period. I'm not going to put numbers here for good reason but I think that being extremely conservative, their number would be 1/5 at best of the total orders to WA in that time, AND this is all the shit vendors that get caught of course.
Good vendors you're really looking at them getting through most of the time...
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I saw a news article yesterday from a couple months ago that put a supposedly accurate exact number on the amount of seizures of drugs in the mail to WA in a 9 month period. I'm not going to put numbers here for good reason but I think that being extremely conservative, their number would be 1/5 at best of the total orders to WA in that time, AND this is all the shit vendors that get caught of course.
Good vendors you're really looking at them getting through most of the time...
If only 1 in 5 of my packages get intercepted, I would think that would be well worth it.
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Our fast courier option for 3.5+ provides exactly this. Whether you choose to sign for it or not. The tracking will simply mark it as delivered, and that's good enough for us.
SRX
We need an insured postage option for tracked and signed shipping. 20% higher cost for shipping that is insured 100%. Neither side can scam the other because the packages will need to be tracked on one side, and signed on the other.
What about it, SmoothriderX?
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I saw a news article yesterday from a couple months ago that put a supposedly accurate exact number on the amount of seizures of drugs in the mail to WA in a 9 month period. I'm not going to put numbers here for good reason but I think that being extremely conservative, their number would be 1/5 at best of the total orders to WA in that time, AND this is all the shit vendors that get caught of course.
Good vendors you're really looking at them getting through most of the time...
How does knowing the number of seizures help estimate a per ratio seizure rate unless you have the same accurate data re orders placed? No offense intended but having these types of discussions based on pure speculation just adds to the FUD factor on here.
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Our fast courier option for 3.5+ provides exactly this. Whether you choose to sign for it or not. The tracking will simply mark it as delivered, and that's good enough for us.
Come back from holidays soon please :)
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Your safety is our primary concern. We are looking to update our packaging so that it blends in more with the usual flotsam of international mail. Rest assured, we will not be gone too long. We've only had one pack go "maybe missing(?)", and although we do not consider this to be due to our packing, we just think its a good idea to keep them guessing =)
SRX
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Have you noticed any patterns in the "missing" shipments like low buyers stats?
can you not just set a minimum
I've pretty much had 100 percent success rate with can on sr and clearnet mailorder sites
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Through Customs, if a package requires opening for inspection, Customs must have Aust. Post open the package to allow them to carry out an inspection. The law doesn't permit Custom's to actually open the package to do an inspection (not sure why that is?).
Actually Customs have more power than the police, they do not need Auspost there merely a second Customs agent to monitor the first. Customs can open anything, anytime, anywhere. Except your house......thankfully they still need a warrant for that.
Trust me on this one.
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That's incorrect. I have a friend who works for Aust. Post (not a postie) who informed me of this. It is also how Custom's operate when watching Border Security, which back's up the scenario told to me by my mate. Custom's aren't permitted to open the package should further examination be required.
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Customs seems to open whatever package they want on border security..
If they have any reason to believe there is a conealment, after xraying it. They usually open it.
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Customs seems to open whatever package they want on border security..
If they have any reason to believe there is a conealment, after xraying it. They usually open it.
I bet that Aust. Post are required to just open the package. They don't go into it, just gain entry. Next time it's on tango, you watch who actually is required to open a package for further examination. :)
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So our final decision re: Oceaia, is as follows. No orders under 3.5g. Any negative buy stats (auto-finalize, or refund) disqualifies you
from the sale and it will be cancelled with an explanation (always an explanation).
Maybe of you seem to be re-selling our product at considerable mark-up, but all the same, what the market seems to bear. so in that
case. orders of 14g -28g will require a actual addreess with an actual human being to reveive the pack. No ID need be provided,
but if they request a signature. fake it. The Courier envelope will still contain a #10 envelope of familiar design, be sealed and
contraband in the usual way (that is to stay stealthily).
Please enjoy our products safely and do not rob your clients based on our more inexpensive rates.
SRX Rob
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Customs seems to open whatever package they want on border security..
If they have any reason to believe there is a conealment, after xraying it. They usually open it.
I bet that Aust. Post are required to just open the package. They don't go into it, just gain entry. Next time it's on tango, you watch who actually is required to open a package for further examination. :)
Wadozo, is absolutely correct. We have inside information that reveals that Aus Post mail sorters will open the package for the Customs officer to inspect, once open and contraband is found it is taken by Customs Officer for logging/seizure/who knows.
Matrix 8)
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Customs seems to open whatever package they want on border security..
If they have any reason to believe there is a conealment, after xraying it. They usually open it.
I bet that Aust. Post are required to just open the package. They don't go into it, just gain entry. Next time it's on tango, you watch who actually is required to open a package for further examination. :)
Wadozo, is absolutely correct. We have inside information that reveals that Aus Post mail sorters will open the package for the Customs officer to inspect, once open and contraband is found it is taken by Customs Officer for logging/seizure/who knows.
Matrix 8)
Cool! My friend was correct which is nice to have confirmed by someone else. Thanks ETM.
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Customs seems to open whatever package they want on border security..
If they have any reason to believe there is a conealment, after xraying it. They usually open it.
I bet that Aust. Post are required to just open the package. They don't go into it, just gain entry. Next time it's on tango, you watch who actually is required to open a package for further examination. :)
Wadozo, is absolutely correct. We have inside information that reveals that Aus Post mail sorters will open the package for the Customs officer to inspect, once open and contraband is found it is taken by Customs Officer for logging/seizure/who knows.
Matrix 8)
Cool! My friend was correct which is nice to have confirmed by someone else. Thanks ETM.
http://www.crimecommission.gov.au/sites/default/files/files/IDDR/2010-11/iddr-2010-11-complete.pdf
Customs officers do not need Auspost to be present when doing anything...they're customs. They have authority.
IF Auspost suspects something they call customs to do the deed. Auspost is not authorised to open mail, not even domestic post. They need customs present.
Auspost delivers letters, that is all. If something is suspicious they will call customs agents.
They(customs) decide if it gets referred to police or not.
Here's customs talking themselves up...
http://www.customs.gov.au/site/silkroadgoal.asp
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Vegas, if your referring to this excerpt in the Brochure you posted a link for -
AUSTRALIAN CUSTOMS AND BORDER PROTECTION SERVICE
(CUSTOMS AND BORDER PROTECTION)
Detections of illicit drugs by Customs and Border Protection are handed to the AFP for
investigation purposes, safe storage and destruction. Border detections are recorded on
‘Druglan’, which is updated with confirmed seizure weight data from the AFP. At present there is no
provision for an automatic update of accurate weights to Druglan. Data
relating to the same border detections held by the AFP and Druglan will differ slightly. This is
because only unconfirmed seizure weights are initially recorded. Customs and Border Protection
detection figures are subject to change and reflect available data at time of extraction. As such,
figures published in the Illicit Drug Data Report may differ from those published in other reports,
including Customs and Border Protection annual reports.
For operational reasons, the format of data presented in the Illicit Drug Data Report may vary from
year to year.
There is nothing in there that we don't agree with, Customs do detect the drugs and if found to be real after testing, the AFP take over and investigate. However, if a package is suspected of containing illegal drugs by Customs through x-ray, sniffer dog detection or just because of suspicion (country of origin, false documents, etc), THE PACKAGE IS INITIALLY OPENED BY AUSTRALIA POST, WHO DON"T DO ANYTHING BUT "BREAK THE SEAL" SO TO SPEAK. It is then returned to the Custom's officers who will carry out an inspection of the contents. If any illegal drugs are suspected of being found, Customs will firstly carry out an initial Drug Test to confirm their suspicions before passing the drugs (should it test positive) on to the AFP to carry out an investigation. Your brochure is correct but Australia Post are the ones who use a Stanley knife to break open a package before returning it to Customs to search for the contraband.
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Does it really matter who opens the package? If drugs are detected your package will get opened and inspected. Hopefully the vendor will use enough stealth so nothing is found. In my time here I have had it happen once, AQIS opened a package, inspected it, then sealed it back up with orange tape and sent it to me with 5g of MDMA in it, sadly though that vendor no longer exists and I haven't seen any overseas vendors using that sort of stealth.
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So our final decision re: Oceaia, is as follows. No orders under 3.5g. Any negative buy stats (auto-finalize, or refund) disqualifies you
from the sale and it will be cancelled with an explanation (always an explanation).
Maybe of you seem to be re-selling our product at considerable mark-up, but all the same, what the market seems to bear. so in that
case. orders of 14g -28g will require a actual addreess with an actual human being to reveive the pack. No ID need be provided,
but if they request a signature. fake it. The Courier envelope will still contain a #10 envelope of familiar design, be sealed and
contraband in the usual way (that is to stay stealthily).
Please enjoy our products safely and do not rob your clients based on our more inexpensive rates.
SRX Rob
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Any negative stats disqualifies you??? So even I single figure percentage?
We are in Australia, I'd say most of us have had a refund here and there....
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It's just a risk assessment, we have to draw the line in the sand somewhere. Originally we had no intention of being anything but a domestic supplier, but as crazy as it sounds, we had more inquiries right away from Aussies than anybody else. Your market is drastically under-served and your local product is drastically over-priced, and as a result it seems to have bred an environment of client mistrust, and vendor ratings blackmail and/or slander.
We would love nothing better than to sell our product unhindered to the population, and we want to be clear, we do NOT think your customs is any more or less stringent in mail inspection than any other industrialized, first world, Nation. Our successful deliveries there have shown as much.
The trouble stems from the number or ridiculous requests for unreasonable amounts of product from Australians. Many who are inquiring about half a pound or more, and many more who try to get us to work OOE in order to save them a few dollars (by us shaving DPR's commission).
We get three to four emails a week from people with simply awful stats, trying to buy large quantities from us, and by the second or third correspondence describing the 50% resolution they expect if their packs go missing. We decline as politely as we can -- only to have an hour later, the EXACT same request from a less-than-a-month-old 0/0 account.
While we agree to 50% resolutions on principle, and thankfully never in practice, we do not make that much in the way of profit. A 50% resolution for us from a fraudster means we are out cash in hand, while they've secured several ounces for far, far, below any market value (less than $30 an oz).
We are trying to establish some..ANY kind of relationship with a steady supplier who will reflect our product domestically to you at only a reasonable mark-ups., but twice now, it's looked like we found our guy, only to have him/her disappear right before the deal's sealed.
We're truly sorry.
SrX Team
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It's just a risk assessment, we have to draw the line in the sand somewhere. Originally we had no intention of being anything but a domestic supplier, but as crazy as it sounds, we had more inquiries right away from Aussies than anybody else. Your market is drastically under-served and your local product is drastically over-priced, and as a result it seems to have bred an environment of client mistrust, and vendor ratings blackmail and/or slander.
We would love nothing better than to sell our product unhindered to the population, and we want to be clear, we do NOT think your customs is any more or less stringent in mail inspection than any other industrialized, first world, Nation. Our successful deliveries there have shown as much.
The trouble stems from the number or ridiculous requests for unreasonable amounts of product from Australians. Many who are inquiring about half a pound or more, and many more who try to get us to work OOE in order to save them a few dollars (by us shaving DPR's commission).
We get three to four emails a week from people with simply awful stats, trying to buy large quantities from us, and by the second or third correspondence describing the 50% resolution they expect if their packs go missing. We decline as politely as we can -- only to have an hour later, the EXACT same request from a less-than-a-month-old 0/0 account.
While we agree to 50% resolutions on principle, and thankfully never in practice, we do not make that much in the way of profit. A 50% resolution for us from a fraudster means we are out cash in hand, while they've secured several ounces for far, far, below any market value (less than $30 an oz).
We are trying to establish some..ANY kind of relationship with a steady supplier who will reflect our product domestically to you at only a reasonable mark-ups., but twice now, it's looked like we found our guy, only to have him/her disappear right before the deal's sealed.
We're truly sorry.
SrX Team
^Would order from you guys in a heartbeat if I was into that stuff :P
But really, it's really good to know that some vendors on here are doing things like this for the "people", in this case, us Australians, than to be maximizing their profits (everyone needs to make some profit at least, duh!). Although, I haven't been on the road for long (a month/or two), I'm quite irritated and saddened that a fair few (Which I hope is not the majority) people have come into this SR thinking about themselves, and not the whole of the Australian community and just taking what they want and leaving, tarnishing the Australian community and prospective newcomers from coming onto the road.
p.s - I'm tripping on acid so just my 2c on my feelings
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Enter the Matrix. Why arnt you working with this guy?
Selling C would make a good addition to the product line.....
Dicko
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We may elect to delete this later, but these is the cold hard facts. We make the most profit selling single grams, the amount of trouble, work, and worry, we go through selling singles to Australia makes it difficult to justify. There just isn't enough volume on SR for us, compared to our local and national networks to make the profit necessary to justify the risk. Consider that we lose money out of pocket for every 50% resolution, and the lack of means we have to challenge those claims from where we are, when all we can do is spend $5 in stamps to get you our product. Unless you are extremely desperate, or carefree with your cash, spending $90 for 3 days guaranteed shipping is not a viable option on singles, or even perhaps 1/8ths.
There are rules/taboo against showing profit margins, but it needs to be said. If we relied on SR orders alone, most in our group would starve. We try to stay in the bottom 10% of cost, and in the top 20% of quality. Despite this, in two months, after start-up costs, we are about one high-end home-type espresso maker ahead. ;)
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Enter the Matrix. Why arnt you working with this guy?
Selling C would make a good addition to the product line.....
Dicko
We are definetly open to discussions with SmoothriderX, care to get in touch on SR?
Matrix 8)
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Enter the Matrix. Why arnt you working with this guy?
Selling C would make a good addition to the product line.....
Dicko
We are definetly open to discussions with SmoothriderX, care to get in touch on SR?
Matrix 8)
So if you could resell ETM what would your mark up be? I hope you wouldn't align yourself with the other outrageous domestic resellers at $400+ a gram
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I don't think you need to worry about domestic prices, samesamebutdiffernt.
High prices attract new competitors. I predict we will have a few more Australian vendors in the next few months.
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I don't think you need to worry about domestic prices, samesamebutdiffernt.
High prices attract new competitors. I predict we will have a few more Australian vendors in the next few months.
There's not enough domestic competition to drive down prices, that's why I'm happy paying $90 AUD per g from o/s :-)
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I don't think you need to worry about domestic prices, samesamebutdiffernt.
High prices attract new competitors. I predict we will have a few more Australian vendors in the next few months.
There's not enough domestic competition to drive down prices, that's why I'm happy paying $90 AUD per g from o/s :-)
There isn't much competition from Australian vendors, I totally agree. What I mean is that potential vendors are viewing these prices and evaluating the potential for big profits, even with a price increase.
A gram of what, BTW?
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Hey, is anyone else seeing a 2nd avatar added to the profile of other members again? I think it's the avatar of the member, Vegas. ??? ???
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Hey, is anyone else seeing a 2nd avatar added to the profile of other members again? I think it's the avatar of the member, Vegas. ??? ???
You tweaking wad? ;)
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Enter the Matrix. Why arnt you working with this guy?
Selling C would make a good addition to the product line.....
Dicko
We are definetly open to discussions with SmoothriderX, care to get in touch on SR?
Matrix 8)
So if you could resell ETM what would your mark up be? I hope you wouldn't align yourself with the other outrageous domestic resellers at $400+ a gram
We are unsure at this time as we have not discussed anything with OP as yet, still waiting for contact.
Matrix 8)
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Hey, is anyone else seeing a 2nd avatar added to the profile of other members again? I think it's the avatar of the member, Vegas. ??? ???
You tweaking wad? ;)
I might be SSBD! :P That still doesn't change the fact that there is undoubtedly 2 avatars on nearly every profile I've seen tonight on various threads. Similar to what some other members experienced when the the site's software was upgraded.
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Hey, is anyone else seeing a 2nd avatar added to the profile of other members again? I think it's the avatar of the member, Vegas. ??? ???
You tweaking wad? ;)
I might be SSBD! :P That still doesn't change the fact that there is undoubtedly 2 avatars on nearly every profile I've seen tonight on various threads. Similar to what some other members experienced when the the site's software was upgraded.
No extra avatars my end dude :-)
wheres my avatar by the way?
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I'll log out and log back in again shortly and see what happens. There is definitely 2 on the profiles I'm looking at.
You were going to send me some things you had an interest in, some ideas so I could send you some and you could choose one yourself. I just need a starting point and I'll send you a variety to pick from. When ever your ready, just send me some ideas. :)
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There is always going to be a problem with credibility when there is a forum full of psychedelic drug users saying that they are seeing things.
That being said, I am totally sober and I am also seeing a second avatar.
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We are on SR under this name. We prefer GPG.
Cheers,
SRX Team
Enter the Matrix. Why arnt you working with this guy?
Selling C would make a good addition to the product line.....
Dicko
We are definetly open to discussions with SmoothriderX, care to get in touch on SR?
Matrix 8)
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