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Discussion => Security => Topic started by: ShardInspector on November 29, 2012, 11:07 am
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Very concerning...
Here is the link to the article I have pasted in below:
http://gizmodo.com/5923980/the-secret-government-laser-that-instantly-knows-everything-about-you
Hidden Government Scanners Will Instantly Know Everything About You From 164 Feet Away
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Within the next year or two, the U.S. Department of Homeland Security will instantly know everything about your body, clothes, and luggage with a new laser-based molecular scanner fired from 164 feet (50 meters) away. From traces of drugs or gun powder on your clothes to what you had for breakfast to the adrenaline level in your body—agents will be able to get any information they want without even touching you.
And without you knowing it.
The technology is so incredibly effective that, in November 2011, its inventors were subcontracted by In-Q-Tel to work with the US Department of Homeland Security. In-Q-Tel is a company founded "in February 1999 by a group of private citizens at the request of the Director of the CIA and with the support of the U.S. Congress." According to In-Q-Tel, they are the bridge between the Agency and new technology companies.
Their plan is to install this molecular-level scanning in airports and border crossings all across the United States. The official, stated goal of this arrangement is to be able to quickly identify explosives, dangerous chemicals, or bioweapons at a distance.
The machine is ten million times faster—and one million times more sensitive—than any currently available system. That means that it can be used systematically on everyone passing through airport security, not just suspect or randomly sampled people.
Analyzing everything in real time
But the machine can sniff out a lot more than just explosives, chemicals and bioweapons. The company that invented it, Genia Photonics, says that its laser scanner technology is able to "penetrate clothing and many other organic materials and offers spectroscopic information, especially for materials that impact safety such as explosives and pharmacological substances." [PDF]
Formed in Montreal in 2009 by PhDs with specialties in lasers and fiber optics, Genia Photonics has 30 patents on this technology, claiming incredible biomedical and industrial applications—from identifying individual cancer cells in a real-time scan of a patient, to detecting trace amounts of harmful chemicals in sensitive manufacturing processes.
Hidden Government Scanners Will Instantly Know Everything About You From 164 Feet AwayAbove: The Genia Photonics' Picosecond Programmable Laser scanner is capable of detecting every tiny trace of any substance on your body, from specks of gunpowder to your adrenaline levels to a sugar-sized grain of cannabis to what you had for breakfast.
Meanwhile, In-Q-Tel states that "an important benefit of Genia Photonics' implementation as compared to existing solutions is that the entire synchronized laser system is comprised in a single, robust and alignment-free unit that may be easily transported for use in many environments… This compact and robust laser has the ability to rapidly sweep wavelengths in any pattern and sequence." [PDF]
So not only can they scan everyone. They would be able to do it everywhere: the subway, a traffic light, sports events... everywhere.
How does it work?
The machine is a mobile, rack-mountable system. It fires a laser to provide molecular-level feedback at distances of up to 50 meters in just picoseconds. For all intents and purposes, that means instantly.
The small, inconspicuous machine is attached to a computer running a program that will show the information in real time, from trace amounts of cocaine on your dollar bills to gunpowder residue on your shoes. Forget trying to sneak a bottle of water past security—they will be able to tell what you had for breakfast in an instant while you're walking down the hallway.
The technology is not new, it's just millions times faster and more convenient than ever before. Back in 2008, a team at George Washington University developed a similar laser spectrometer using a different process. It could sense drug metabolites in urine in less than a second, trace amounts of explosive residue on a dollar bill, and even certain chemical changes happening in a plant leaf.
And the Russians also have a similar technology: announced last April, their "laser sensor can pick up on a single molecule in a million from up to 50 meters away."
So if Genia Photonics' claims pan out, this will be an incredible leap forward in terms of speed, portability, and convenience. One with staggering implications.
Observation without limits
There has so far been no discussion about the personal rights and privacy issues involved. Which "molecular tags" will they be scanning for? Who determines them? What are the threshold levels of this scanning? If you unknowingly stepped on the butt of someone's joint and are carrying a sugar-sized grain of cannabis like that unfortunate traveler currently in jail in Dubai, will you be arrested?
And, since it's extremely portable, will this technology extend beyone the airport or border crossings and into police cars, with officers looking for people on the street with increased levels of adrenaline in their system to detain in order to prevent potential violent outbursts? And will your car be scanned at stoplights for any trace amounts of suspicious substances? Would all this information be recorded anywhere?
Hidden Government Scanners Will Instantly Know Everything About You From 164 Feet AwayAbove: A page from a Genia Photonics paper describing its ability to even penetrate through clothing.
There are a lot of questions with no answer yet, but it's obvious that the potential level of personal invasion of this technology goes far beyond that of body scans, wiretaps, and GPS tracking.
The end of privacy coming soon
According to the undersecretary for science and technology of the Department of Homeland Security, this scanning technology will be ready within one to two years, which means you might start seeing them in airports as soon as 2013.
In other words, these portable, incredibly precise molecular-level scanning devices will be cascading lasers across your body as you walk from the bathroom to the soda machine at the airport and instantly reporting and storing a detailed breakdown of your person, in search of certain "molecular tags".
Going well beyond eavesdropping, it seems quite possible that U.S. government plans on recording molecular data on travelers without their consent, or even knowledge that it's possible—a scary thought. While the medical uses could revolutionize the way doctors diagnose illness, and any technology that could replace an aggressive pat-down is tempting, there's a potential dark side to this implementation, and we need to shine some light on it before it's implemented.
The author of this story is currently completing his PhD in renewable energy solutions, focusing on converting waste to energy in the urban environment. Even while most of this information is publicly available, he wanted to remain anonymous.
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tl;dr
I like to keep optimistic, It's hard with this kind of shit going on. One thing about this technology, the internet, and anonymous is that we finally have an effective way to fight back and be heard. It won't fix these problems and nothing ever will but we can keep catching up. One of the most important things to accomplish, in my opinion, is government transparency. Then, for the first time we'll be one step ahead of the corrupt leaders.
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wtf scary shit
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I hope that aliens will eventually come and stop this shit. We are supposed to be free-thinking individuals not controlled, brain-washed muppets!
If I want drugs, let me have my fucking drugs I'm doing no harm to anyone. Fucking pussies!
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DAMN!! THATS SCARY!! i FEEL thats almost invasion of privacy.. I mean so they can just sit in a park so to say and scan ppl? Cause they want? I didnt read the full thread but what i did read is fuckd up! FUCK THE GOV!!! The people will Prevail.
We do not forgive
we do not forget
we are Legion
EXPECT US!
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Anon, the problem is that the people ARE the government.
99% of the morons in the world will never read that article, but if they did they would view it as a good thing.
Anon may be legion, and God speed to them, but they aint as legion as the people. They aint as legion as morons, and the people will remain docile, fat lazy and stupid with their hands tied to the corporate oar rowing and rowing for their daily bread. They will keep on pumping out new workers and keep their children's eyes closed and the system will continue.
It is my belief that we 1% must continue to rebel and educate the few we can affect, but mostly use information like this article to protect our selves.
Bottom line: Don't fly.
Modzi
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I agree fully Mozi!! You said that perfectly ! Very well put my brother.
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The US government seems to be the most ridiculous bunch of idiots I've ever heard of.
They're so cracked off it on keeping tabs on all the citizens is fucking stupidity. I think most of the problem lies in 80% of the US population where by they are so blinded by patriotism they embrace whatever the government tells them and they accept it.
To the 20% keep fighting the government!
Dank
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The US government seems to be the most ridiculous bunch of idiots I've ever heard of.
They're so cracked off it on keeping tabs on all the citizens is fucking stupidity. I think most of the problem lies in 80% of the US population where by they are so blinded by patriotism they embrace whatever the government tells them and they accept it.
To the 20% keep fighting the government!
Dank
I agree lol but its not so much as them trying to keeps "tabs" on citizens its more of them keeping one of the most uniformed, easiest and "free" profit systems of generating revenue around. When it comes down to it what the DEA and other organizations do is nothing more the Modern Day "legal" Piracy. All they need to do is claim someone is a drug dealer swoop in and even if they barely find anything can seize there house and belongings.
And F.Y.I to all this technology has been being tested at the Chicago customs station for awhile now, quite flawlessly.
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This is some crazy technology, but I would think it would be subject to search and seizure laws. In other words, there may have to be some kind of consent (except airports, border crossings, and government buildings).
But to put something like this on the street to scan people in cars. or those walking down the street? I would think a good lawyer can get a judge to strike that down as an unreasonable search. At least in the states.
As far as this being put into cop cars, a precious ruling already said its perfectly legal for a drug dog to sniff your car without your consent, as long as it takes place in a legitamite traffic stop. So, you have to be doing something that causes the cop to pull you over, before he can use a drug (or potentially this tech) to scan your car.
The automatic driving car can't come soon enough...
Hopefully, we can fight from this tech being used in obscenely intrusive ways to scan us at all times.
I just hope the post office never gets these...
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Anon, the problem is that the people ARE the government.
A common misconception. In reality the people are brainwashed by a relatively small number of elites. Essentially these power elites are the government, the people are their puppets.
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FUCK THE GOV!!! The people will Prevail.
We do not forgive
we do not forget
we are Legion
EXPECT US!
I agree fully Mozi!! You said that perfectly ! Very well put my brother.
Thanks AnonymousAddict, I appreciate your patriotism. Thomas Paine would agree with your cry of "FUCK THE GOV!!!" At least the sentiment, if not the eloquence, but probably both.
Anon, the problem is that the people ARE the government.
A common misconception. In reality the people are brainwashed by a relatively small number of elites. Essentially these power elites are the government, the people are their puppets.
Allow me to state it in a more palatable way for you, KK.
The problem is that the people support the government and feed it their money, willingly, while the elites additionally feed it their time and energy. Having more time, contacts and money the elite look after their interests to the detriment of all others and we (the people) end up with:
Oil spills
Creationism taught in our schools
Banking collapses
War
No universal medical care
The greatest wealth disparity in the history of the world
Justin Bieber
Thus Thomas Paine's lament "Of more worth is one honest man to society and in the sight of God, than all the crowned ruffians that ever lived." tells us that the ultra powerful must fall. And the history of the world tells up how it will inevitably occur:
Revolution!
You may donate to the cause by sending bitcoins directly to me.
Modzi
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I want it! I also want the deflector.
Peace Out, Double Agents.
Signed: The Heir of the Reston, Colorado Super Computer.
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Mylar clothing, head to feet.
But seriously, all of this was completely predictable and to be expected, the more highly advanced technology becomes. I mean, with computers and all the rest of the technology armory, there's only one way for people, and especially those in power, to behave: and that is, doing things to predict (no surprises), dominate (brainwash to the point of catalepsy) and control (you will do as you're told or else). That's the nature of human beings. Those with good moral principles and ideology, when given a chance to be in power, transform into bloodsucking freaks who want nothing more than to remain in power. It is the world's most addictve and pervasive drug.
I see no way out short of complete and catastrophic implosion of the system. Just putting new people in there will do nothing.
goblin
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Yeah the article does seem legit, but i'm still skeptical.
I will believe it when I see it.
Just think that it is easy for the government to scare everyone by saying they have this technology but actually putting it in to practice is another matter.
Either way, they will want people to believe they have this, whether they do or not.
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Dominate (brainwash to the point of catalepsy) That's the nature of human beings. Those with good moral principles and ideology, when given a chance to be in power, transform into bloodsucking freaks who want nothing more than to remain in power. It is the world's most addictve and pervasive drug.
goblin
The system's built for bloodletting.
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Power. It is the world's most addictive and pervasive drug.
– goblin
That.
Modzi :'(
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Power. It is the world's most addictive and pervasive drug.
– goblin
That.
Modzi :'(
Shoulda written "perverse" instead of pervasive, although I guess I meant that all of us are subject to its siren song. Once you got it, you're hooked for life!
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Yes, this is scary. Yes, it's looking like if the predictions made about this technology is true, things could get a lot harder very fast for people wanting to use illegal drugs or save some shred of privacy.
But it's not over yet. This is just the latest in a long line of advances that have made it easier for the government to strip away our privacy, and for the most part, we've met them at each step, upping the level of our game to match theirs. This newest enemy is formidable, to be sure, but we haven't had our say yet.
Now I'm no expert on the technology mentioned in this article, so I can't make any judgments yet, but there are almost always ways to circumvent things like this. Tentatively, I offer the idea of storing drugs by changing them, with a reversible chemical reaction, to a molecule that won't be flagged by these scanners, and then when it's time to use them, reversing it and going on with your merry way. I have no idea if that will actually work in practice, but it's an idea. Obviously work-arounds like this are going to take some time, expertise, and effort to develop and begin to deploy, but I have little doubt that it will happen.
It always has in the past.
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I think I read some doubt the technology exists? I believe this technology exists and would like to see it used for public good. For example, I think it would be a good idea to have this technology at airports and at high-profile public events with the parameters set to detect the components in explosives, bomb making, and bioweapon stuff. The medical uses - geezus, the machine detects cancer:
Formed in Montreal in 2009 by PhDs with specialties in lasers and fiber optics, Genia Photonics has 30 patents on this technology, claiming incredible biomedical and industrial applications—from identifying individual cancer cells in a real-time scan of a patient, to detecting trace amounts of harmful chemicals in sensitive manufacturing processes.
A beautiful, life-saving machine that can be turned against the citizenry -
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Damn...the USA would have to be the most paranoid country in the world. Seriously the american government is just hell bent on security, what a joke, the money they spend on defence, war on drugs, etc, its disgusting, and they dont give a fuck about their own people, so obsessed with money its crazy. I love americans, you guys are great..but your government is mightily fucked up.
Would love to travel there one day..but seriously i think i'll go elsewhere. Run by fucking freemasons and bankers...
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First go to youtube.com and type in "illumicorp" and watch the 15 minute video. That'll give you a general idea behind the evils of the central bank and the Illuminati.
Then if you want to join the Illuminati, for real, go to google and type in " the illuminati order Contact Us" and click that page and fill out the blank application with your picture and your interests and skills <id write assassinations as a skill> just joshin'
They are the shadowed underground government in control of the robots. us.
Then there will be no worry cuz ull be on their side and u can make a TOR website as one of your contributions to their money making tactics, literally. They will listen if you speak seriously.
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First go to youtube.com and type in "illumicorp" and watch the 15 minute video. That'll give you a general idea behind the evils of the central bank and the Illuminati.
Then if you want to join the Illuminati, for real, go to google and type in " the illuminati order Contact Us" and click that page and fill out the blank application with your picture and your interests and skills <id write assassinations as a skill> just joshin'
They are the shadowed underground government in control of the robots. us.
Then there will be no worry cuz ull be on their side and u can make a TOR website as one of your contributions to their money making tactics, literally. They will listen if you speak seriously.
Not to get off topic but look up.............Youtube.............. Illuminati Music Industry Exposed.....!!!!!! That will spark your mind.
I believe the scanner you talking about, sounds like against the US Constitution.
And they have a scanner they want to use for police, that can identify the drug, even in the bag, just by shining the laser on it. So traffic stops can easily identify drugs, with no chemical tests and such.
Yes seen this article before though, Thanks for sharing, and check out what i said about the Illuminati. Fuck those people.
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Yeah i know a bit about it. Joining them would be pointless, it goes against everything i believe in. Thats what spineless people do when they have nothing, so they turn to religion, etc, which is all bullshit.
I was disappointed when i saw Eminem wearing their symbol in one of his film clips...ok beats the christian cross anyday. But the USA has sooo much blood on its hands they will be forever stained. Only problem is, more than half of the population believe their doing a good thing.....
Presidents are puppets. If the USA cared about its people, there would be health care for everyone. Obama gets hounded for caring? WTF.
Those republicans all need to be burned at the stake....
We have not evolved as a human race at all. Its a disgrace. I need a smoke bad....fuck this country i live in and fuck all of you who disagree. :) ;) ;D :P
Yes i'm joking lighten the fuck up. :-X
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Yeah i know a bit about it. Joining them would be pointless, it goes against everything i believe in. Thats what spineless people do when they have nothing, so they turn to religion, etc, which is all bullshit.
I was disappointed when i saw Eminem wearing their symbol in one of his film clips...ok beats the christian cross anyday. But the USA has sooo much blood on its hands they will be forever stained. Only problem is, more than half of the population believe their doing a good thing.....
Presidents are puppets. If the USA cared about its people, there would be health care for everyone. Obama gets hounded for caring? WTF.
Those republicans all need to be burned at the stake....
We have not evolved as a human race at all. Its a disgrace. I need a smoke bad....fuck this country i live in and fuck all of you who disagree. :) ;) ;D :P
Yes i'm joking lighten the fuck up. :-X
Jnemonic......dude whats scared me is two different clips. One is with kobe Bryant, looking at the odiance, and flashes upside down 666 symbol right in to the crowd....twice...... Then another with Lebron James praying the triangle, then flashing 666 symbol...twice
here are the link guys
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZDf8zMea50 -----------------------------Lebron James short clip
Watch this 1 with Both Koby and Lebron at 6 minute mark------------------------ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixhSOjrHcec&feature=player_embedded
and the Illuminati Music Industy Exposed ------------------------ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-J-0MQQzmKY
Wow, this is insane, Spread the message people...... !!!!!!Fuck the Illuminati!!!!!! We are being brained washed. Can you say subliminal messaging?? Fuck that!!!!
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Damn, cant believe it...thanks for the links.. ;)
WTF, :-X
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This kind of technology always freaks me out. Definitely isn't necessary and in fact makes me feel more unsafe!!
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Damn, cant believe it...thanks for the links.. ;)
WTF, :-X
No problem Brotha It was mentioned to me by a friend. And I kinda gave him a funny look and a smirk, saying ...yeah...ok, w/e, sure. And then I started to research and after watching those first 2 clips...I was like dude, you gotta watch this shit...even he was like WOW,
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Cops are dead men walking.
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No, the idiots seeking funding for this fools errand are claiming this nonsense will be able to scan you for everything but in reality it will be nothing but false positives and unreliability. They are trying to sell it's potential to morons in your government, who will hand them money and get back a bunch of garbage that doesn't work and will end up scrapped.
There's plenty of non vaporware things to be scared of, like smart water, the coming war against free computing when we're all mandated to use corporate approved appliances instead of free systems, exponential police powers increasing every year and deteriorating rights to privacy. This pipe dream technology is a joke compared to what's actually happening right now. I wipe my ass with this laser that can detect gunpowder, and despair from the massive world intelligence contracting corps that have propagated all over the world faster than aids did in the 80s
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Damn...the USA would have to be the most paranoid country in the world.... I love americans, you guys are great..but your government is mightily fucked up.
So absolutely true, my friend.
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Damn...the USA would have to be the most paranoid country in the world.... I love americans, you guys are great..but your government is mightily fucked up.
So absolutely true, my friend.
@jnemonic: truer words were never spoken! Our government IS mightily and royally fucked up - FUBAR! Bunch of stupid, rich, old, white men dictating to the world, damn them all to hell for their lies and perversion. Something the rest of the world may not know is that our so-called 'moral majority' is NEITHER! Just a bunch of loud-mouthed, belly-aching, self-centered assholes. The rant is ended now - sorry :-[
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WinterMoon, it's not just white men, don't be bamboozled by the so called liberals. I mean, take a look at the current resident of the Torture House on Pennsylvania Ave: war criminal, liberty eroder, wall street ass kisser and fucking goddamn liar. So it's not limited by race, man. Get over that!
goblin
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WinterMoon, it's not just white men, don't be bamboozled by the so called liberals. I mean, take a look at the current resident of the Torture House on Pennsylvania Ave: war criminal, liberty eroder, wall street ass kisser and fucking goddamn liar. So it's not limited by race, man. Get over that!
goblin
@goblin - you are right. I stand corrected. I just want to see more women in politics, more balance, that's all. A better representation of the American populace. Plus, a bunch of women / moms who have made up their collective minds about something can fix just about anything - know what I mean?
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Maybe, as long as they're not Hillary types. Some women are as awful as the worst of men.
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folks if i would live in america, i would buy even rolls on SR :D
to do not support even a cent to that fcking government
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This will pretty much turn the whole world into a computer...
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Sounds like some Captian Kirt Starship Enterprise bullshit to me ::)
The Gov always wants you to think they already know everything about you.
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As creepy as this sounds, I agree w/ all those who mentioned that they would need probable cause to use it. Also, I'm assuming this is NOT cheap technology, and we're probably many years away from anything like this being used in traffic stops/post offices/general settings. I have full faith that in the meantime measures to counteract will come about. For every problem there is a solution, and the people who run the underground are just, if not more, determined than the government to stay underground.
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Seems a bit pie in they sky, probably some company selling the Orwellian fascists over-hyped junk that won't work. Still disturbing idea. They don't need it really since democratic rights the 1st world over are already +50% gutted. 4th amendment what?
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I heard something about a machine that will read your fingerprints from a distance away! Could this possibly be true? Sounds extremely fishy to me.
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The moment you lose a minute of sleep over stuff like this, you have lost the fight against the govt
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As creepy as this sounds, I agree w/ all those who mentioned that they would need probable cause to use it.
I'm afraid in this "almost" police state, probable cause is as dead as habeas corpus, my friends.
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this kind of tech is certainly fucked up
but don't lose heart, we will always have recourse
for example, they're being forced to get rid of all those expensive scanners they just finished installing at all the major airports, because of the cost vs. benefit. that's all it boils down to. apologies to those of you invested in the conspiracy theories, but honestly it's the love of money and power that motivates these people, nothing else.
if they start scanning every single person with this kind of shit at airports and other hubs of activity, I will start hanging around outside with a nebulizer or aerosol of some sort and make sure every person who walks through the checkpoint has explosives residue or somesuch.
don't give up, just keep leap-frogging them and force them to spend the money on something that's going to be obsolete soon,
that's part of what's great about this whole SR experiment
8)
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Thats extremely scary, beyond invasion of privacy yet certainly not unbelievable at the same time. If this has just come out in article it definitely has been implemented for quite some time now most likely.
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I'm fairly sure they are a company who originally were used by casino groups to tell if someone's legitimately a winner or if they aren't drunk enough they'll send the drinks girls around etc, and now they've combined this with the governments laser sniffers and hey presto you're on candid super-camera.
Maybe our tin foil hats or armadillo helmets will save us?
It's not that surprising really, they sense their control is slipping so they're going to strengthen their positions of control as much as they possibly can. Eventually this same tech will be rolled out across their entire security networks, whether it's in a park or a shopping centre, they will know when you took your last shit!
I suggest everyone look up the documentary on YouTube or download it through FrostWire called Track Me If You Can. It will show you just what you need to live off the grid.
I also suggest you listen carefully when he explains the B-Pak and it's array of functions.
The governments can tell who you are from a satellite and looking at your dimensions and the way you walk. If you think this is scary that documentary will open your eyes further. I also suggest, completely unrelated to this but equally as important, that you watch the documentary Food Inc.
There is a way around this, become politically involved and spread Libertarianism to everyone you know without fear of ridicule because only once we destroy this fictional entity called Government can we ever be truly free. Once you understand Liberty, you understand the consequences of taking it away from society and how much it impedes and destroys all hope for a better future.
- JWM 8)
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So whats it actually mean, tin foil underwear for everybody?lol The government has all kinds of technology, getting worried about it isn't gonna stop it. How can we counteract what they do is the question.
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I wonder how somebody could protect themselves from this? After briefly studying photonics, I'd have to say light is probably one of the biggests WTFs? in the world. Properties so profound and it has the potential for literally anything
Insanity
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I'll make millions selling designer bio suits.
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How can we counteract what they do is the question.
I'll make millions selling designer bio suits.
see my earlier post as well.
often, when embattled, and finding oneself and one's allies in the inferior position, sabotage and patience are far more effective against large, well-funded but political beauracracies in the long term than any direct action technique.
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The implications here are disastrous but every cloud has a silver lining. For example it could shut down ANYTHING going through ANY mail service, but that could mean growing in your hometown could become a lot more valuable again. Then again if they use these in helicopters growing where there is zero legality in it could be extinct! Anyways we always find a way.
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often, when embattled, and finding oneself and one's allies in the inferior position, sabotage and patience are far more effective against large, well-funded but political beauracracies in the long term than any direct action technique.
Large governments always topple under their own weight and corruption. The same will happen to the US. Stuff like this probably won't happen as the economy will crash before they can roll it out nation-wide. When the economy goes, so do the feds. That's why they pull out all the stops and come to "miracle" last-minute agreements with each other in order to preserve their power.
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When has the failing economy stopped the government from spending an outrageous amount of money on something that would give it more control on it's populous?
This will be especially bad for all of us if they implement it in the postal system.
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When has the failing economy stopped the government from spending an outrageous amount of money on something that would give it more control on it's populous?
This will be especially bad for all of us if they implement it in the postal system.
It hasn't...yet. When people stop going to work because they aren't getting paid this kind of system will be pointless, right? I personally don't think they'll have time to get this fully functional before "the crash" happens. This is still a long way down the road. I also wonder how the TSA employees will feel now that a computer can do the job they get paid an absurd amount to do.
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I don't believe them. This is an insane claim. This claim is equivalent to saying that they've developed anti-gravity technology, or that they've developed a process whereby your entire kitchen magically cleans itself every night at 2:43am while you sleep. This is ridiculous.
50 meters is insane for this technology. I don't see how this is even remotely possible: from 50 fucking meters, you're telling me this tiny little device is able to read the energy returned to it by this little laser -- there and back, which is 100 meters total -- with perfect accuracy, and then feed this data to a connected computing device so that the computer can analyze it and thereby determine what molecules are present? MAYBE. But actually successfully analyze the data? That's fucking preposterous.
Let's talk about what happens to a beam of energy that travels 100 meters. It travels through air. There's a lot of fucking stuff in the air around us. Like, a fucking lot. And in order to detect a speck of an illegal substance in a person's pocket, for instance, this device would have to emit an energy beam at some wavelength that passes through the clothing but that also is reflected at least partially -- possible? Check, we can do that today; that's trivial.
However, it also has to detect the "fingerprint" of energy returned to the device from the initial emitted beam -- is this part possible? Sure, that's trivial too, BUT... detecting it with any level of accuracy? That's hard. That's very, very hard. There's a ton of stuff in 100 meters of air. That's going to cause significant refraction.
Now stay with me here, this is the part that REALLY makes me say they're full of shit: the refraction is what they're fucking measuring. The amount of distortion is what they're looking at. That's how mass spectrometry works, basically -- it measures the amount of distortion present. What they're claiming to measure is the amount of distortion present in a beam of energy that's returned to the device after traveling 100 meters.
Okay, sure... maybe on paper it's theoretically possible for their detector to be so sensitive that it can detect the differences that will be present depending on what molecules it's bounced off of. Notice that they're calling this a "programmable" device. Notice that they mention hooking it up to a computer to feed it data.
Here's what I think: somebody made a fucking stellar pitch to some government office who had too much money left in their budget. Now this is how the US government works (unfortunately): if you don't spend your entire budget, it gets decreased, because -- well -- you didn't fucking spend it and we're short of money, so apparently you don't need it. This has caused a massive industry to build up around government contracts, because none of them want their fucking budget decreased so they end up buying the best of a bunch of useless shit knowing they'll never use it (or that it's worthless even).
So this department had extra money, and somebody said they had a device that was sensitive enough to do this. They failed to point out clearly that their device will not allow you to do what they claim. It will allow you to figure out how to do what they claim. Their device will feed data to a computer, which will be totally 100% fucking useless because nobody on Earth knows how to analyze the fucking rubbish data their super-sensitive device feeds them.
But the department their contract is with will keep its budget. Reporters go insane because the company obviously talks it up in press reports. And voila, you have a totally useless, but "almost" working device (in the same way that I'm "almost" a newborn).
By the way: existing mass spectrometry devices vaporize and ionize the material they analyze. So they've also apparently figured out a way to get around having to vaporize everyone their beam scans.
/end_rant
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I really hope you are right SS, when I first read that article late last year I was a little concerned to say the least.
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Yeah... me too. It's a frighteningly credible sounding press release.
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It may be very easy using this to monitor the mail like never before and they might take the opportunity to do a mass bust before word gets out it's being done. If they could use these to check every piece of mail going out it's possible there could be a national bust day where 10,000 or more people are busted worldwide and then we find out they are using this
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I read all the articles on it and two other companies invented the technology at the same time as the one the U.S. gov is buying theirs from. Two of the companies are in the U.S. and the other one is Russian.
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Yeah... me too. It's a frighteningly credible sounding press release.
They've had decades of practice. I just assume that anything that's part of a "press release" is pretty much bullshit or just a dream.
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These scanners are for real and our government is already buying them. Fact. A girl at school has a smart pen with a camera on the end that records everything she hand writes and turns it into html at home. Also it has an audio recorder to record the teacher. These days it's weirder to not believe something happen eventually than not, but pico-second programmable laser is real now.
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These scanners are for real and our government is already buying them. Fact. A girl at school has a smart pen with a camera on the end that records everything she hand writes and turns it into html at home. Also it has an audio recorder to record the teacher. These days it's weirder to not believe something happen eventually than not, but pico-second programmable laser is real now.
I stand by my interpretation. I don't see how else they'd call it "programmable," if what they're selling is the opportunity for someone to figure out an algorithm that may not even exist, as in a way for a computer to detect everything on you when all it gets is a total mess of data -- nobody knows how to figure out how to compute that, but we know how to detect it just fine: light sensors are everywhere, but they can't analyze a fucking thing because that's hard as Hell.
I still say this can't be done using current technology. Unless it's the most brilliant algorithm ever conceived of, it would have to be able to compute things at a level so detailed that the quantum interference patterns of who was holding your hand would actually start to interfere and become significant sources of error. To my knkowledge, we have no CPU that can compute such things in real time. They just aren't fast enough yet.
In fairness though, I've never actually bothered trying to calculate the quantum wave function of a trillion atoms all at the same time. I've just looked at it. That was enough for me.
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Besides the security and privacy implications for the general population, this is real good news for science and industry. This device will have many applications that you can make big money from. Think chemical/bilogical + mineral identification just for starters. Treasure hunting or prospecting for precious metals/gems/minerals from space or an UAV. Identifying diseases in people and animals from a distance. Identifying bacteria/viruses on surfaces from a long distance.
You can easily disable those devices along with traffic/bank/other cameras by pointing a high power blue laser into the receving "eye" of the unit. It will burn the circuit instantly disabling the device permanently until replaced (expensive + time consuming).
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There is hardly any moneybill to find that doesn't have some traces of cocain. Stores and companys like supermarkets contaminate money. If in a city like Moscow or Barcalona cocain is used, the authority's will know if 2 grams or 8 grams were used. By measuring the water you flushed down the toilet at the water treatment facillity. They can even point you out if the sewer at the beginning of your street contains a few particals of druguser pea and at the end of your street ""they""find non
In the Netherlands the police has a cannacopter, but the cannabis farmer has to be a few hundreds meters away. In a urban enbirement with a lot of coffeeshops it gets confused.
But in rural earea's it flys strait to the cannabis farm as long the farm is not many miles away.
And the wether has to be nice too.
The more wind there is the closer the cannacopter has to be.
But if you can make a good closeup of someone fingers, and you can detect where the grooves, the lines on your fingertips are touching each other, so where they met.
Those points become points in software. If existing fingerprints have enough dots on the same place, they have a match.
That is enough to compare the fingerprint with the fingerprints already collected by L.E.
And those camara's can zoom in a mighty long distance.
And there is already a lot of face-recognition software.
In the Netherlands even the parking paying machines have a camera.
Combined with face-recognition software or car-numberplate recognition software it is difficult to go any center of any city without being noticed.
All gas-stations have camera's and any thief who is stupid enough to get to a gas-station is most likely to get on national television.
Even more so on the regional television stations.
Every cellphone has to have a automatic pick-up function, otherwise it can not be sold.
Not in the Netherlands, anyway.
Most of the the time you will not know that the automatic pick-up function is in your phone unless you plug a earpiece to your phone, and even then it is not always shown.
But every phone can be made into a microphone, without you even hear the phone ringing or see any change on your display
When a piece of the public road is shown, software measures verticals and horizontals of walls, windows etc.
Then software will look at every picture that googlestreetview has made and they know where the picture was made.
When you use ""feet"" that will make disappear your fingerprints.
It is sold so females don't have to shave their legs anymore.
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I'm not sure I buy all of this. This could be a carefully crafted psy-op. When you're dealing with the intelligence community, literally anything is possible. You must remember that the banking and intelligence industry would collapse overnight if it weren't for the huge amounts of black market cash infused into the financial system by drug transactions. This cash is essential for financial institutions to make their fractional reserve banking system possible. If the system does do what is described then there's no way they would simply turn it loose and try to actually catch all the drugs in the world. It would more likely be used on a selective enforcement basis, to root out up and coming big players, or those who are not following the financial industry's marching orders. You must remember that the Taliban had almost entirely stamped out the Afghan heroin trade. After the invasion, Afghanistan is back on top as the number 1 heroin producing region in the world. A case can be made that the real reason for creating the 911 false flag psy-op was to reestablish Afghan heroin production. The world's financial institutions need that massive outflux of highly addictive substance to get governments to fund their police and prison industrial complex. The massive level of addiction also helps to implement their "political control through global poverty" model.