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Discussion => Silk Road discussion => Topic started by: paxpax on November 13, 2012, 03:54 am
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The vendor ranks at BMR has been surging since SR went dark, if DPR doesn't get the site back up soon there might not be much of an SR to return to. Personally I am comfortable using either site. Lets be honest, it's the vendors that have made SR. If those vendors jump ship to a new site I imagine the rest would follow.
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I read that SR exchanges something like 20 million a year. Even if that number was vastly fabricated, this site is too established to go anywhere just because of something like this.
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If the new site offers a userbase, availability of goods, structure, and reliability(i'm not implying that SR is good for any of these things, I'm just saying that a value for the variable exists) of similar or better nature to that of SR, it makes sense that it would be preferrential. At the moment, SR has no 'availability of goods' so if someone wants to get goods, SR isn't the place to be, but given the promise of future availability(i.e. the sales section getting fixed) people are weighing the consequences of one action vs another. If they decide that a course of action taking them away from SR has a better end result than a course of action keeping them here, obviously they will move away...
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Oh please, SR is bigger than BMR by a few orders of magnitude. What will happen is there will be a balance. Which is good because it will level the active user count out.
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BMR sucks, i suppose in the unlikely event that this is the end of the road, then it will have to due...and i also have seen an influx of vendors on BMR from SR. somthing about BMR just rubs me the wrong way, not to mention the lack of phycadelics, and the insane prices of the bit that is there.
I sincerely hope that DPR and who ever else gets the show back on the road. I would absolutly hate to see somthing to wonderful go to shit.
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This is simple supply and demand:
SR cannot supply, there is a lot of demand, the demand goes to the supply, currently BMR is the supply.
Economics 101, once SR is back up, it'll be the king again.
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I'm going to be using BMR with a vendor I regularly use from SR. Not so sure I can trust the road right now. I'll wait a while to make sure the shit hasn't hit the fan, and it converted to a honeypot or something equally as sinister before I come back. If business is good over there and vendors use it more often, and SR is still running as it was before, I'll probably end up using both.
Better to be overly cautious and paranoid in a situation like this, than it is to end up in prison.
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Well the Silk Road already has all it's shit figured out. BMR is starting to get a grip on it, but SR has had a lot longer to perfect it. Also, the sign-up and transaction cycle for BMR I presume is longer than SR will be down for.
Still, the rise of BMR could be a good thing. Contest SR's monopoly(not saying SR hasn't been good about it though), and it could be an established escrow that allows information and weapon sales
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This is simple supply and demand:
SR cannot supply, there is a lot of demand, the demand goes to the supply, currently BMR is the supply.
Economics 101, once SR is back up, it'll be the king again.
This, pretty much. Whenever Silk Road goes down, BMR usually gets the majority of SR's traffic. The vendors that move there will ultimately vend here once the site is back up. Many vendors will probably sell at both locations for a while, then Silk Road will take over again. So it was, and so it shall always be. ;)
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What exactly does BMR stand for? (Search function didn't help one bit, stupid question...sorry)
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What exactly does BMR stand for? (Search function didn't help one bit, stupid question...sorry)
:-X
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What exactly does BMR stand for? (Search function didn't help one bit, stupid question...sorry)
Black Market Reloaded. Was just informed about that myself :-*
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I read that SR exchanges something like 20 million a year. Even if that number was vastly fabricated, this site is too established to go anywhere just because of something like this.
Not fabricated, understated.
BMR's ranks swelling is just vendors moving over there for the downtime, not forever. They know they're safer on SR than on BMR. BMR's admin is a fucking waste who spammed his shit all over these forums and the bitcointalk forums while, originally, allowing child-porn and everything else SR is against.
I wouldn't trust BMR's security, personally. Hell, there's less-than-zero chance that BMR is Uncle Sam's honeypot-reaction to SR.
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I read that SR exchanges something like 20 million a year. Even if that number was vastly fabricated, this site is too established to go anywhere just because of something like this.
Not fabricated, understated.
BMR's ranks swelling is just vendors moving over there for the downtime, not forever. They know they're safer on SR than on BMR. BMR's admin is a fucking waste who spammed his shit all over these forums and the bitcointalk forums while, originally, allowing child-porn and everything else SR is against.
I wouldn't trust BMR's security, personally. Hell, there's less-than-zero chance that BMR is Uncle Sam's honeypot-reaction to SR.
I seond bymter,
be carefull guys! BMR looks bad coded to me.Singed up 6 months ago... Did not like it at all. Deleted my acc. after a day.
???
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What security? SR can't protect you anymore then bmr. Both are hidden services, both use escrow, both use a peer review system. In fact there is likely more le at Sr then bmr due to Sr large user base and media attention.
What other steps does Sr take to keep you safe? You're security is up to you. Pgp, research and good funding practices are the best you can do. SR security is intended to keep Sr safe not you.
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For the record, backopy never spammed anything at all specially not here, actually he even owns TorDir and just puts there a banner, so cut the crap. Open a topic at bitcointalk was something DPR did too at such time. I already listen to explanations for why some things were ok there and makes some sense. Stop being a moralist.
Bottom line:
Dumbass guy = Pay allegiance to DPR or Backopy and sink with them.
Smart guy = Is free and goes wherever he wants, pays allegiance to nobody and keeps his tongue out of someone's ass.
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I would steer well clear of BMR.
To add to what everyone else has been saying, it seems that a few of the vendors that jumped ship here in bad form, i.e. SuperTrips and MrFireUK have set up shop in BMR.
Be careful if you simply cannot wait for SR to come back on.
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For the record, backopy never spammed anything at all specially not here, actually he even owns TorDir and just puts there a banner, so cut the crap. Open a topic at bitcointalk was something DPR did too at such time. I already listen to explanations for why some things were ok there and makes some sense. Stop being a moralist.
Bottom line:
Dumbass guy = Pay allegiance to DPR or Backopy and sink with them.
Smart guy = Is free and goes wherever he wants, pays allegiance to nobody and keeps his tongue out of someone's ass.
+1
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i was thinking about ordering off the same vendor i deal with regularly on SR on BMR
probelm is, i dont know 100% its the same vendor,, it would be a good scam signing up as a trusted vendor on BMR.
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As people have stated, BMR compared to SR sucks. When I navigate the BMR interface I get a headache. ::)
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and to add something, BMR could easily be as good as SR
Its just depends where the majority of people go.. Ill stick with SR while its popular.
but people are just used to SR thats why they think its better..
(right now i think BMR is full of scammers.. i dont know if it costs to be a vendor, but that could be the reason)
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what is the BMR's URL? I don't plan on using it... The only reason i trust SR is because of IRL friends... I am just interested in seeing what it looks like...
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I CALL A STRIKE ON BMR! & for those who choose not to stick with SR,think or thin...GOOD! less traffic for the loyal custys to have to deal with!
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BMR sucks
The baseline is what? The 404 SR?
I know what you're saying but I'll order from BMR all day if I know I can connect to the site right now and the odds are that I can connect tomorrow. The same cannot be said for SR. No matter how good the site is. Right now it registers as FAIL.
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PaxPax you are a tard. But hey, send the newbs, kids, and other retards off to BMR....LMFAO
You have no clue what you're talking about. LOL
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I CALL A STRIKE ON BMR! & for those who choose not to stick with SR,think or thin...GOOD! less traffic for the loyal custys to have to deal with!
Where do these loyalities come from?
SR is great. I love it. my favorite site on the net.
But Do u not goto Burger King because you Love Mcdonalds? Or do you goto either depending on which 1 is closer?
For now, im sticking with SR coz thats where its at.. But i Have no problem changing if I trust hte vendros on BMR (which i currently dont)
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what is the BMR's URL? I don't plan on using it... The only reason i trust SR is because of IRL friends... I am just interested in seeing what it looks like...
http://5onwnspjvuk7cwvk.onion/
I just took a looksie too. I was warned if I used it I would be fucked in the ass in a multiple/variety of ways. I believe it.
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Been having a browse around BMR just in case we have no choice in the end if SR can't pull itself together and i have to say it looks horrible.
The vendors look nowhere near as professional as on SR, half of them have no proper info on their profile, no reviews, no nothing !
Not too much ti stinks of scammers everywhere and even if you think you have found your fav SR vendor on BMR who is to say it is really them ?
God i hope DPR can get things back to where they need to be :'(
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what is the BMR's URL? I don't plan on using it... The only reason i trust SR is because of IRL friends... I am just interested in seeing what it looks like...
http://5onwnspjvuk7cwvk.onion/
I just took a looksie too. I was warned if I used it I would be fucked in the ass in a multiple/variety of ways. I believe it.
im an advocate for competition, but yes i agree. *Currently* how it stands, its a group of Scammers.. user BEWARE
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I went to BMR and the prices are insane, not many choices, it is hard to tell what vendors are repurtable, and the layout is cluttered and not at all user friendly. I also had no idea that they had such horrible "services" offered.
I don't think I will be using them at all if I can help it. I would rather (just my personal opinion, no judgement towards those who use it) get sober than log on again. It gave me the creeps. I miss Silk Road so much, and I will appreciate it so much when it comes back up (I am thinking positive thoughts and feel very encouraged by DPR's last update) . SR is really looking more and more like the Amazon.com of Drugs to me. It was such a beautiful dream, I hope we don't have to wake up from it anytime soon.
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I went to BMR and the prices are insane, not many choices, it is hard to tell what vendors are repurtable, and the layout is cluttered and not at all user friendly. I also had no idea that they had such horrible "services" offered.
I don't think I will be using them at all if I can help it. I would rather (just my personal opinion, no judgement towards those who use it) get sober than log on again. It gave me the creeps. I miss Silk Road so much, and I will appreciate it so much when it comes back up (I am thinking positive thoughts and feel very encouraged by DPR's last update) . SR is really looking more and more like the Amazon.com of Drugs to me. It was such a beautiful dream, I hope we don't have to wake up from it anytime soon.
there is also no hedging.. which sucks for vendors..
it'll only take off if SR goes down.. i think that's what they are siting around waiting for
theres alot of things SR is missing, but BMR doesnt seem to adopt any of them, its just a carbon copy but shitter.
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I just checked out BMR a bit, and went into the forums. All I have to say is AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!
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I honestly think the site has potential. Sure, now it's lot's of scammers, but it's the closest thing SR has to competition. Maybe when the administration there figures it's shit out and makes it so the decent listings there arent surrounded by scams, it could be a legitimate source of items SR won't offer, a backup market for when the silk road is down, or simply just a place that serves as an alternative to SR
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I went to BMR and the prices are insane, not many choices, it is hard to tell what vendors are repurtable, and the layout is cluttered and not at all user friendly. I also had no idea that they had such horrible "services" offered.
I don't think I will be using them at all if I can help it. I would rather (just my personal opinion, no judgement towards those who use it) get sober than log on again. It gave me the creeps. I miss Silk Road so much, and I will appreciate it so much when it comes back up (I am thinking positive thoughts and feel very encouraged by DPR's last update) . SR is really looking more and more like the Amazon.com of Drugs to me. It was such a beautiful dream, I hope we don't have to wake up from it anytime soon.
Did you see this listing there? Services > Sex
INSEMINATOR SERVICE
Description
DO YOU WANT A BABY BUT YOU WILL NEVER SPENT TONS OF MONEY TO DO ARTIFICIAL INSEMINATIONS?
NO TROUBLE, I WILL TRY TO MAKE YOU PREGNAT.
HOW IT WORK?
YOU SEND ME ONE PICS OF YOU , IF I LIKE YOU WE MEET AND I CUM INSIDE YOUR PUSSY.
I'M A REALLY NICE SMART HEALTY GUY, YOU HAVE TO SMART NICE AND HEALTY TOO.
he's charging 57 bitcoins haahahahahahha
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I went to BMR and the prices are insane, not many choices, it is hard to tell what vendors are repurtable, and the layout is cluttered and not at all user friendly. I also had no idea that they had such horrible "services" offered.
I don't think I will be using them at all if I can help it. I would rather (just my personal opinion, no judgement towards those who use it) get sober than log on again. It gave me the creeps. I miss Silk Road so much, and I will appreciate it so much when it comes back up (I am thinking positive thoughts and feel very encouraged by DPR's last update) . SR is really looking more and more like the Amazon.com of Drugs to me. It was such a beautiful dream, I hope we don't have to wake up from it anytime soon.
Did you see this listing there? Services > Sex
INSEMINATOR SERVICE
Description
DO YOU WANT A BABY BUT YOU WILL NEVER SPENT TONS OF MONEY TO DO ARTIFICIAL INSEMINATIONS?
NO TROUBLE, I WILL TRY TO MAKE YOU PREGNAT.
HOW IT WORK?
YOU SEND ME ONE PICS OF YOU , IF I LIKE YOU WE MEET AND I CUM INSIDE YOUR PUSSY.
I'M A REALLY NICE SMART HEALTY GUY, YOU HAVE TO SMART NICE AND HEALTY TOO.
he's charging 57 bitcoins haahahahahahha
I think I'm more likely to believe that that listing was made by an SR loyalist wanting to make BMR seem less reputable. Is it really possible for someone to be stupid enough to think that that listing has any chance of working?
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A great vendor from SR set up shop at BMR for the time being.
That tells me two things:
1. Dude is a money maker, eager, and his/her reviews on SR are second to none.
2. I'm getting high in a few days.
They have an escrow... but the PGP is automatic, so send your addy (PGP) via tormail and all will be well.
At this point I trust the vendor... and I trust BMR to facilitate the transaction. Smart vendors in the business of making money will do the same.
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I went to BMR and the prices are insane, not many choices, it is hard to tell what vendors are repurtable, and the layout is cluttered and not at all user friendly. I also had no idea that they had such horrible "services" offered.
I don't think I will be using them at all if I can help it. I would rather (just my personal opinion, no judgement towards those who use it) get sober than log on again. It gave me the creeps. I miss Silk Road so much, and I will appreciate it so much when it comes back up (I am thinking positive thoughts and feel very encouraged by DPR's last update) . SR is really looking more and more like the Amazon.com of Drugs to me. It was such a beautiful dream, I hope we don't have to wake up from it anytime soon.
Did you see this listing there? Services > Sex
INSEMINATOR SERVICE
Description
DO YOU WANT A BABY BUT YOU WILL NEVER SPENT TONS OF MONEY TO DO ARTIFICIAL INSEMINATIONS?
NO TROUBLE, I WILL TRY TO MAKE YOU PREGNAT.
HOW IT WORK?
YOU SEND ME ONE PICS OF YOU , IF I LIKE YOU WE MEET AND I CUM INSIDE YOUR PUSSY.
I'M A REALLY NICE SMART HEALTY GUY, YOU HAVE TO SMART NICE AND HEALTY TOO.
he's charging 57 bitcoins haahahahahahha
I think I'm more likely to believe that that listing was made by an SR loyalist wanting to make BMR seem less reputable. Is it really possible for someone to be stupid enough to think that that listing has any chance of working?
haha no I swear to god.. here's the link.
http://5onwnspjvuk7cwvk.onion/index.php?p=view_listing&id=4111
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The stupidity some of you possess is astounding.
1. SR is down
2. BMR has an escrow system
3. Some people cannot wait so they buy on BMR
The prices are high on BMR because there is NO COMPETITION.
If more people offer a product, the prices plummet (with some exceptions, opiates)
If you do not like BMR, don't shop there.
If you do not like BMR, do not hinder anyone from exercising their choice to shop there
Be good citizens of the Tor community and be respectful.
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http://5onwnspjvuk7cwvk.onion/index.php?p=view_listing&id=4111
lol at the questions & answers
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I'm honestly thinking about buying one of the listings that would violate SRs terms of use. Now I'd feel comfortable buying from one of the 25+ feedback vendors, but I'm one the fence if id do it for a 10+ feedback member
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@ grapepen, do some reading check around , for actual experiences with BMR, then take a gander at their site, if you can not conclude that they are absolutely inferior then you have eye problems. no disrespect intended here, i just believe in patronage.
@GiveUsSome. the loyalty comes from seeing and understanding the utter time,care and straight genius that goes into SR, and if the road went down and all the vendors moved along to BMR then im sure that it would not be half the place it is right now. The validity of the vendors is most of my, and other peoples issue with BMR, then theres the lack of structure and security to boot.
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LMFAO, to compare BMR (and whoever the fuck runs it) to DPR and SR is like comparing a porpoise to a killer whale... just sayin!
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LMFAO, to compare BMR (and whoever the fuck runs it) to DPR and SR is like comparing a porpoise to a killer whale... just sayin!
I agree. Of coursel. SR is king.
but if the king dies. watch the competition flourish .
If SR was down for a week or longer, then it may start to get a grip hold.. it wouldnt take too long.
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@GiveSome. p.s YES , i DO NOT go to Burgerking, because i love McDonalds lmao. @ JesusWazaMush, you got that right! lol
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The King will never die, that's why Elvis is still alive!
Think about it... ;)
LMFAO, to compare BMR (and whoever the fuck runs it) to DPR and SR is like comparing a porpoise to a killer whale... just sayin!
I agree. Of coursel. SR is king.
but if the king dies. watch the competition flourish .
If SR was down for a week or longer, then it may start to get a grip hold.. it wouldnt take too long.
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You are 100% correct..IF Sr
LMFAO, to compare BMR (and whoever the fuck runs it) to DPR and SR is like comparing a porpoise to a killer whale... just sayin!
I agree. Of coursel. SR is king.
but if the king dies. watch the competition flourish .
If SR was down for a week or longer, then it may start to get a grip hold.. it wouldnt take too long.
Your are 100% correct, IF SR where to wither away, the competition would flourish.. but until that time, which will likely not come..BMR sucks fat ones
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the king is not dead..
this place has taught me 2 very important things..
1 ~ Patience is a virtue. From Learning pgp, to installing and keeping my shit rock secure and stealth, to dealing with online vendors, learning how to get scammed and what it feels like to finding the good guys and funneling as much money to those guys as i possibly can so they are happy and i am happy. A little extra coin to your vendor is always a good sign.. Hell u pay extra to keep your car in front at the club or where ever u go same goes here.
2 ~ A luxury once tasted becomes a necessity! Yes this is a very very large luxury to sit and just order from here send some coins and wait until it gets here. ALSO the quality i have found here on the road.. well i am still here and after all if it was not good people would not flock..
So all this being said look at the down time to make sure all your sit is in place all your stuff is locks and nothing is floating about. Have you gotten lax in your deliveries or location. Is there a better way to do what u are doing upgrade or just change it up. Change is always good. Have u written your top go to vendors and see how they are doing with all their coin tied up??? Do they need a little extra in the time of need. So for me...
Road has a sink hole that has the construction crew fixing we hope. AS wiht everything it talkes 2 times as long and costs 4 times as much. PLUS how the hell do u test a system like they must have in place.. Ok get 10,000 of your closest friends to hit the site at once.. Ok i think u see..
what other site??? There is another site?? There is no other site...... There is only this... here....... and now
DPR For........
GOD!
time to put the meth down and get to work...
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the king is not dead..
I agree.. im not joining the ranks of the panicking.. My mine is just open to other possibilities, should they arise.
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@ grapepen, do some reading check around , for actual experiences with BMR, then take a gander at their site, if you can not conclude that they are absolutely inferior then you have eye problems. no disrespect intended here, i just believe in patronage.
No disrespect was detected but I thank you for the disclaimer.
Taken at their present state BMR is extremely superior to SR. That was my point. When both are operational there is no comparison and SR takes the blue ribbon every time. If that were presently the case (both operational) then you are correct that I do have eye, and most likely mental, problems.
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I read that SR exchanges something like 20 million a year. Even if that number was vastly fabricated, this site is too established to go anywhere just because of something like this.
Not fabricated, understated.
BMR's ranks swelling is just vendors moving over there for the downtime, not forever. They know they're safer on SR than on BMR. BMR's admin is a fucking waste who spammed his shit all over these forums and the bitcointalk forums while, originally, allowing child-porn and everything else SR is against.
I wouldn't trust BMR's security, personally. Hell, there's less-than-zero chance that BMR is Uncle Sam's honeypot-reaction to SR.
I just can't see the feds setting up shop and sending drugs through the mail. Here, there or anywhere. It's not the same thing as selling on the street, where controlled buys are the norm. There is no secure chain of custody with mail order, no leverage of being able to scare a buyer into giving up his seller, and too much that could go wrong.
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I read that SR exchanges something like 20 million a year. Even if that number was vastly fabricated, this site is too established to go anywhere just because of something like this.
Not fabricated, understated.
BMR's ranks swelling is just vendors moving over there for the downtime, not forever. They know they're safer on SR than on BMR. BMR's admin is a fucking waste who spammed his shit all over these forums and the bitcointalk forums while, originally, allowing child-porn and everything else SR is against.
I wouldn't trust BMR's security, personally. Hell, there's less-than-zero chance that BMR is Uncle Sam's honeypot-reaction to SR.
I just can't see the feds setting up shop and sending drugs through the mail. Here, there or anywhere. It's not the same thing as selling on the street, where controlled buys are the norm. There is no secure chain of custody with mail order, no leverage of being able to scare a buyer into giving up his seller, and too much that could go wrong.
I didn't say they set up shop, I said they created the bazaar. I think BMR, the entire site itself, is a fed honeypot. If you ever give your address in cleartext on it, expect a trip to a lovely rape-friendly prison.
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Like a few others, I tried BMR a while ago. I did NOT like how they autoencrypt everything either. I am not sure how it works, but I assume the vendor has to supply a gpg and that is how it is done? If that is the case, than they have your public key on file, i dont think that is too smart, though it does assure you get a gpg signed message rather than someone sending you it all open or with privnote.
I just had a bad feeling joining and browsing BMR, i deleted my account after a few weeks of lurking, just did not seem legit, and scam galore!
If you do find YOUR vendor on there, than I would ask MANY questions they may only know from private conversations you had during your build up of rapport. I still say, stay off BMR, IMO, but everyone is entitled to their choices.
I will admit, I would go back to BMR, only if SR was gone forever (DOUBTFUL), and it someone was confirmed BMR was 100% legit, and even maybe REFORMED their policies they currently have in place.
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I read that SR exchanges something like 20 million a year. Even if that number was vastly fabricated, this site is too established to go anywhere just because of something like this.
Not fabricated, understated.
BMR's ranks swelling is just vendors moving over there for the downtime, not forever. They know they're safer on SR than on BMR. BMR's admin is a fucking waste who spammed his shit all over these forums and the bitcointalk forums while, originally, allowing child-porn and everything else SR is against.
I wouldn't trust BMR's security, personally. Hell, there's less-than-zero chance that BMR is Uncle Sam's honeypot-reaction to SR.
I just can't see the feds setting up shop and sending drugs through the mail. Here, there or anywhere. It's not the same thing as selling on the street, where controlled buys are the norm. There is no secure chain of custody with mail order, no leverage of being able to scare a buyer into giving up his seller, and too much that could go wrong.
I don't think so either. I do think that MAYBE the Feds could open up an open source drug site, but they would never be the actual party that deals the drugs. If they could somehow gather vendor addresses that way I can see how it would be justifiable to them. But yeah, I doubt very seriously that they would ever be directly responsible for selling drugs.
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I read that SR exchanges something like 20 million a year. Even if that number was vastly fabricated, this site is too established to go anywhere just because of something like this.
Not fabricated, understated.
BMR's ranks swelling is just vendors moving over there for the downtime, not forever. They know they're safer on SR than on BMR. BMR's admin is a fucking waste who spammed his shit all over these forums and the bitcointalk forums while, originally, allowing child-porn and everything else SR is against.
I wouldn't trust BMR's security, personally. Hell, there's less-than-zero chance that BMR is Uncle Sam's honeypot-reaction to SR.
I just can't see the feds setting up shop and sending drugs through the mail. Here, there or anywhere. It's not the same thing as selling on the street, where controlled buys are the norm. There is no secure chain of custody with mail order, no leverage of being able to scare a buyer into giving up his seller, and too much that could go wrong.
I don't think so either. I do think that MAYBE the Feds could open up an open source drug site, but they would never be the actual party that deals the drugs. If they could somehow gather vendor addresses that way I can see how it would be justifiable to them. But yeah, I doubt very seriously that they would ever be directly responsible for selling drugs.
I didn't say they set up shop, I said they created the bazaar. I think BMR, the entire site itself, is a fed honeypot. If you ever give your address in cleartext on it, expect a trip to a lovely rape-friendly prison. Point is still valid from when I responded to that guy with it. BMR is exactly what the feds would do.
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How would you explain this then
[Fucking would not click]
Oh look, what a lovely presumable virus you have there.
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Just throwing this out here.. but maybe once the main site is up DPR and the admins should change a few things on here.
For example, only able to view or post on her if you have a seller or vendor account.
Dont know if this is possible, would certainly clean things up a bit and get rid of trolling and all the pandemonium e.t.c
:)
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What's the point in quoting the spam? Just ignore and report.
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What's the point in quoting the spam? Just ignore and report.
Did that also - didn't want my demand misdirected......only the spammer is to go fuck their mother.
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Seems we have a mod/spam buster in the thread. Thanks for that.
As for the topic, a couple vendors doing business over there (in addition to here when it comes back online) is hardly an exodus. Expect a bigger shift if the Road is down for at least another week or two.
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We will be able to see what went on by the end of the month when BMR admin usually post his graph with the market activity.
Here's his last report: http://fec33nz6mhzd54zj.onion/stats_img/oct-2012.png
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I've made a small order from there and I've been in communication with the vendor. As far as I can tell you need to look out for the same shit on there as on SR except the scammers are more transparent there. LOL @ Super Trips, Dr Narco & MR. Fire UK.
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Yeah. I love BMR's feedback system, some of the scams are such a lol, I recall to see one like "1g pure afghan 0.00001 btc", the cheapest H on Earth. ::)
Luckily and if you are smart enough you can check all the feedback entries a seller has to spot something fishy, specially yellow entries.
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Boycott BMR , the dungeon of sin.
You can boycott your supermarket too, but if there were only two of them and one is down you can't eat. :P
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As an actual vendor on BMR, let me chime in.
As I see it, BMR is less likely to be a honeypot than SR. You won't find a gun or weapon on SR, you can (though I'd recommend against anyone trying) find one on bmr. The admin is backopy and he does a solid job. They do get too many scam listings, but if you're not completely naive you can spot them a mile away. This is due to the fact that bmr does not charge a vendor's fee. Any asshole can list a fake or joke listing and hope some sucker buys it. That's why they have a feedback system, same as SR. Don't buy from someone with 0 feedback. Any asshole can list a fake listing here too, it just costs $150 or whatever to get that vendor account. The trust is lower there, which is a GOOD thing (some of you over here boggle my mind the way you trust DPR and sr. I'd like to see you walk into the projects in red hook and and try and cop the way you trust people in here...). On BMR, PGP encryption is automatic on in-system messages to vendors (yes, we supply our public keys. No, supplying a PGP public key is not a security threat, whichever dumbass said that.) There's never been a Tony76. Stay in escrow and go by feedback and everything will work out just fine.
The biggest problem with bmr is the lack of sales volume. I use SR far more because I get far more sales here. BMR charges lower commissions by about half. That being said, most of the vendors will head over there in a heartbeat. Loyalty? Don't be childish. This is capitalism. We go where the money is.
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As an actual vendor on BMR, let me chime in.
As I see it, BMR is less likely to be a honeypot than SR. You won't find a gun or weapon on SR, you can (though I'd recommend against anyone trying) find one on bmr. The admin is backopy and he does a solid job. They do get too many scam listings, but if you're not completely naive you can spot them a mile away. This is due to the fact that bmr does not charge a vendor's fee. Any asshole can list a fake or joke listing and hope some sucker buys it. That's why they have a feedback system, same as SR. Don't buy from someone with 0 feedback. Any asshole can list a fake listing here too, it just costs $150 or whatever to get that vendor account. The trust is lower there, which is a GOOD thing (some of you over here boggle my mind the way you trust DPR and sr. I'd like to see you walk into the projects in red hook and and try and cop the way you trust people in here...). On BMR, PGP encryption is automatic on in-system messages to vendors (yes, we supply our public keys. No, supplying a PGP public key is not a security threat, whichever dumbass said that.) There's never been a Tony76. Stay in escrow and go by feedback and everything will work out just fine.
The biggest problem with bmr is the lack of sales volume. I use SR far more because I get far more sales here. BMR charges lower commissions by about half. That being said, most of the vendors will head over there in a heartbeat. Loyalty? Don't be childish. This is capitalism. We go where the money is.
Some good points here. looking forward to checking out your vendor page aswel, just a few questions.
Whats the difference between seller account 1 & 2?
Also i thought it cost roughly 1BTC to open a vendor accound on BMR?
Thanks :)
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Yes, recently bmr also started to charge for seller accounts. Level 2 means a seller that can list under drugs, weapons, chemicals and so on, can only be a seller and has to have a pgp key, level 1 means a seller that can only list at "lesser" categories and may or may not use pgp and can be both, seller and customer.
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I love SR so as long as it is there and used by the people it is now then I will continue to use them. I do have some loyalty to SR, I think it is so good but Ive never used any other sites.
The black market vendor is right about it is the vendors that make SR the way it is, if all the vendors went to another site the buyers would use that just the same and we can still get on DPR was right in his statement that even if SR was to eventually go down the geenie is out of the bottle and the people can organise things themselves.
I will start checking out other places and see what the options are but I'll be straight on to SR as soon as it is running again, if it is. Please God let SR come back to life.
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As an actual vendor on BMR, let me chime in.
As I see it, BMR is less likely to be a honeypot than SR. You won't find a gun or weapon on SR, you can (though I'd recommend against anyone trying) find one on bmr. The admin is backopy and he does a solid job. They do get too many scam listings, but if you're not completely naive you can spot them a mile away. This is due to the fact that bmr does not charge a vendor's fee. Any asshole can list a fake or joke listing and hope some sucker buys it. That's why they have a feedback system, same as SR. Don't buy from someone with 0 feedback. Any asshole can list a fake listing here too, it just costs $150 or whatever to get that vendor account. The trust is lower there, which is a GOOD thing (some of you over here boggle my mind the way you trust DPR and sr. I'd like to see you walk into the projects in red hook and and try and cop the way you trust people in here...). On BMR, PGP encryption is automatic on in-system messages to vendors (yes, we supply our public keys. No, supplying a PGP public key is not a security threat, whichever dumbass said that.) There's never been a Tony76. Stay in escrow and go by feedback and everything will work out just fine.
The biggest problem with bmr is the lack of sales volume. I use SR far more because I get far more sales here. BMR charges lower commissions by about half. That being said, most of the vendors will head over there in a heartbeat. Loyalty? Don't be childish. This is capitalism. We go where the money is.
Some good points here. looking forward to checking out your vendor page aswel, just a few questions.
Whats the difference between seller account 1 & 2?
Also i thought it cost roughly 1BTC to open a vendor accound on BMR?
Thanks :)
The vendor fee is new, if you created your vendor account a month ago or earlier, it was free. The one BTC thing is to prevent people from listing tons of listings for free under new accounts.
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Yes, recently bmr also started to charge for seller accounts. Level 2 means a seller that can list under drugs, weapons, chemicals and so on, can only be a seller and has to have a pgp key, level 1 means a seller that can only list at "lesser" categories and may or may not use pgp and can be both, seller and customer.
Thanks for the information
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In response to questioning whether a vendor on BMR is the same as a vendor on SR.
You should be using PGP for everything. Check the vendors BMR key with their SR key. If they're the same, you're good.
Obviously this only works if you have a copy of their key already, but you should if you've done business with them in the past.
It'd be nice if you helped validate the vendor on BMR as well. I'm sure they'd appreciate it.
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By far the biggest problem with BMR is that they have a less extensive forum which makes it harder to verify a vendors reputation.
The greatest strength SR has is this forum and the work done on here by members (i.e. : Avengers LSD) to verify quality and reputation. Especially since there is a somewhat reliable "karma" system here.
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I think competition can be a very good thing!
goblin
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Butt Meat Regulated.
i made an account on there and stopped browsing the site
after i found an HIV positive needle for sale... i mean WHAT THE FUCK?
/thumbs
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I'll admit I checked out BMR under a completely different name. Something about it feels like a cheap rip-off of SR. Most listings were in Europe, and the US ones didn't have feedback, and the feedback looked fake. I know people fake feedback on SR, but on BMR it is bloody obvious. Some of the vendors on there creep me out, too. Even in my darkest hour, SR was there for me, I have never been burned on SR. I'll just wait till it comes back up, I'm not screwing with BMR, especially if they. Godspeed, DPR!
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Not all the vendors there are scammers, I assure you that.
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As an actual vendor on BMR, let me chime in.
As I see it, BMR is less likely to be a honeypot than SR. You won't find a gun or weapon on SR, you can (though I'd recommend against anyone trying) find one on bmr. The admin is backopy and he does a solid job. They do get too many scam listings, but if you're not completely naive you can spot them a mile away. This is due to the fact that bmr does not charge a vendor's fee. Any asshole can list a fake or joke listing and hope some sucker buys it. That's why they have a feedback system, same as SR. Don't buy from someone with 0 feedback. Any asshole can list a fake listing here too, it just costs $150 or whatever to get that vendor account. The trust is lower there, which is a GOOD thing (some of you over here boggle my mind the way you trust DPR and sr. I'd like to see you walk into the projects in red hook and and try and cop the way you trust people in here...). On BMR, PGP encryption is automatic on in-system messages to vendors (yes, we supply our public keys. No, supplying a PGP public key is not a security threat, whichever dumbass said that.) There's never been a Tony76. Stay in escrow and go by feedback and everything will work out just fine.
The biggest problem with bmr is the lack of sales volume. I use SR far more because I get far more sales here. BMR charges lower commissions by about half. That being said, most of the vendors will head over there in a heartbeat. Loyalty? Don't be childish. This is capitalism. We go where the money is.
The automatic PGP encryption IS a security risk. It means users rely on the site to encrypt the data and if it were a honey pot or ever compromised then all the addresses could be intercepted in plain text before converted to pgp. I see this as a major security issue and much worse than plain text because people will feel comforted by the fact that its pgp when it could be just as insecure as plain text.
I have checked out BMR as an alternative to selling on SR (I love SR but this is a business and if BMR was quality site I'd happily expand my business to both sites) I am very dissapointed by BMRs ease of use. It may be fine for a few sales a day but as soon as you'd get into large quantity it will become very tedious to use. There are a lot of fixes that need to be made on BMR before I'd consider selling on there :(
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BMR is sketchier because you're used to SR.
You guys are missing a crucial point.
With SR down, BMR is the ONLY place you are going to go and buy with full escrow/community protection for many items. I'm sorry, but there is not a better established site than either SR or BMR.
Again, I will reiterate; if you do not like BMR, fine. Please stop saying shit to try to harm their reputation. Just because they're not SR does not mean they cannot offer a reliable service.
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BMR is sketchier because you're used to SR.
You guys are missing a crucial point.
With SR down, BMR is the ONLY place you are going to go and buy with full escrow/community protection for many items. I'm sorry, but there is not a better established site than either SR or BMR.
Again, I will reiterate; if you do not like BMR, fine. Please stop saying shit to try to harm their reputation. Just because they're not SR does not mean they cannot offer a reliable service.
I don't think it's that they can't offer a reliable service. It's just that for the time being, they don't offer a reliable service.
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The automatic PGP encryption IS a security risk.
The idea is flawed, I agree. It's only as secure as the site itself. Users would be advised to encrypt the plaintext before they send the message. But it's no more risky than sr, where half of the customers don't use pgp anyway.
I'm not trying to be a bmr booster. It's just pepsi to the sr's coke. It's not flawless, but most of the concern's are exactly the same as here. Like I said there biggest issue is a smaller community. That will change quickly if sr doesn't come back.
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The automatic PGP encryption IS a security risk.
The idea is flawed, I agree. It's only as secure as the site itself. Users would be advised to encrypt the plaintext before they send the message. But it's no more risky than sr, where half of the customers don't use pgp anyway.
I'm not trying to be a bmr booster. It's just pepsi to the sr's coke. It's not flawless, but most of the concern's are exactly the same as here. Like I said there biggest issue is a smaller community. That will change quickly if sr doesn't come back.
I'd still argue that it is more risky than SR because it offers a false sense of security. I'd say only 1/3 to 1/2 of my customers use pgp but at least those who do have secured their information from anyone viewing it except me. Sure you could encrypt with pgp before sending to BMR and have it encrypted by the user and BMR but I doubt many uses would do this because in their mine it would be "why bother, bmr is already doing the pgp for me"
As far as I understand the entire reason to use PGP on a site like SR is to protect against info being leaked in the event of a honey pot or site being compromised and if the PGP is being done server side instead of with the user this extra layer of safety does nothing at all but does provide a false sense of security which in my opinion is more dangerous than no PGP at all.
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Just got this from BMR forums from backopy:
No it's not, and you know why? Before auto-encryption most of the users simply send their addresses in plain text, regardless if the seller had a published PGP key or not.
It's not BMR which adds junk to the PGP pre-encrypted messages, is PGP that by some odd reason fails to decrypt double encrypted data.
For expert or paranoia users they can just put to order comment "I'll send my address by PM" and PM it after with their own PGP crypt if they fancy that, for the rest auto-encryption prevents their data to hit the database in plain text.
As for "sketchy"... for the mother of all fucking gods! This looks like "hey! Can't find anything else, so I'll go with this to seams like I'm still licking DPR's boots (or any other place)!". If there's one thing BMR isn't at all is sketchy or less developed than SR was, probably you were too much used for SR so things may look misplaced, but that's all. Along the road some features came first to BMR then to SR, such as the PIN (Withdraw Password at BMR), others otherwise and others just exists at one of them.
Just like facebook and G+.
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Just got this from BMR forums from backopy:
No it's not, and you know why? Before auto-encryption most of the users simply send their addresses in plain text, regardless if the seller had a published PGP key or not.
It's not BMR which adds junk to the PGP pre-encrypted messages, is PGP that by some odd reason fails to decrypt double encrypted data.
For expert or paranoia users they can just put to order comment "I'll send my address by PM" and PM it after with their own PGP crypt if they fancy that, for the rest auto-encryption prevents their data to hit the database in plain text.
As for "sketchy"... for the mother of all fucking gods! This looks like "hey! Can't find anything else, so I'll go with this to seams like I'm still licking DPR's boots (or any other place)!". If there's one thing BMR isn't at all is sketchy or less developed than SR was, probably you were too much used for SR so things may look misplaced, but that's all. Along the road some features came first to BMR then to SR, such as the PIN (Withdraw Password at BMR), others otherwise and others just exists at one of them.
Just like facebook and G+.
PGP has no problem decrypting a double-encrypted message and I know this because I've sent such messages to vendors and tested it by myself. If BMR says differently, it is because their auto-PGP system is poisoned and stealing data and when they CAN'T do that, they reject it outright. It's a method to trick people into submitting cleartext data that they then, presumably, store as cleartext as well as submitting to the vendor as encrypted.
Honeypot. BMR is a honeypot.
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No, it REALLY does that. I'd tested it myself, when you use a PGP client, like Kleopatra, to encrypt and then use GPGMe (the PHP object to work with PGP) it renders that PGP will decrypt the first layer but you won't be able to open the second. Anyway, backopy fixed it, now you can choose whether you want the site to do the encryption or do it yourself.
BMR is pretty much as old as SR with no arrests record that I know of. So much for your honeypot theory, isn't it?
PS: Now this forum is getting hard to get on too, I've to press try again 3 or 4 times before get a page to show up.
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No, it REALLY does that. I'd tested it myself, when you use a PGP client, like Kleopatra, to encrypt and then use GPGMe (the PHP object to work with PGP) it renders that PGP will decrypt the first layer but you won't be able to open the second. Anyway, backopy fixed it, now you can choose whether you want the site to do the encryption or do it yourself.
BMR is pretty much as old as SR with no arrests record that I know of. So much for your honeypot theory, isn't it?
PS: Now this forum is getting hard to get on too, I've to press try again 3 or 4 times before get a page to show up.
The Feds have a VERY long history of leaving everything well enough the fuck alone for years while they record everything they can. They've done it to carder-forums plenty of times. And your test failed. Use your fucking client to decrypt the double-encrypted thing, for fucks sake. I've had no problems doing it with GPA.
My honeypot theory isn't broken just because no one has been using BMR. My honeypot theory is still quite valid.
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No, it REALLY does that. I'd tested it myself, when you use a PGP client, like Kleopatra, to encrypt and then use GPGMe (the PHP object to work with PGP) it renders that PGP will decrypt the first layer but you won't be able to open the second. Anyway, backopy fixed it, now you can choose whether you want the site to do the encryption or do it yourself.
BMR is pretty much as old as SR with no arrests record that I know of. So much for your honeypot theory, isn't it?
PS: Now this forum is getting hard to get on too, I've to press try again 3 or 4 times before get a page to show up.
The Feds have a VERY long history of leaving everything well enough the fuck alone for years while they record everything they can. They've done it to carder-forums plenty of times. And your test failed. Use your fucking client to decrypt the double-encrypted thing, for fucks sake. I've had no problems doing it with GPA.
My honeypot theory isn't broken just because no one has been using BMR. My honeypot theory is still quite valid.
This "theory" isn't based on anything. You're insane if you think the same doesn't apply to SR. This is a business my friend, these misplaced loyalties will get you jammed up. I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but by any analysis SR is considerably more likely to be a honeypot, especially after they suspiciously closed the Armory with no legitimate explanation right around the time Fast and Furious was having congressional hearings. As I see it, the sale of weapons, poisons, biological agents on bmr, while perhaps morally repugnant, is a fair indication they are not being run by any law enforcement organizations (yet). The same I cannot say for SR. Wake up.
That being said. Due to the nature of tor hidden services that we all love so much, even a honeypot can be used safely if you're smart. PGP being paramount. (Now how do we get the 50% of customers sending clear-text shipping info to start pgp-encrypting?)
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I was complaining about the automatic encryption earlier. Problem got fixed pretty quick: http://fec33nz6mhzd54zj.onion/viewtopic.php?id=1653
The biggest difference between the two sites is that the SR is more principled in its philosophical foundation. Agorism reigns supreme here and that best aligns with how I view the world. BMR allows anything and everything which leads to some products for sale which I do not approve of. No, I am not referring to the guns, I definitely approve of gun sales. I am speaking of things like stolen credit cards, stolen merchandise, people's personal info, etc. There certainly is a victim to some of the things being sold on the BMR, and that I do not approve of.
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I was complaining about the automatic encryption earlier. Problem got fixed pretty quick: [Not in MY quotes]
The biggest difference between the two sites is that the SR is more principled in its philosophical foundation. Agorism reigns supreme here and that best aligns with how I view the world. BMR allows anything and everything which leads to some products for sale which I do not approve of. No, I am not referring to the guns, I definitely approve of gun sales. I am speaking of things like stolen credit cards, stolen merchandise, people's personal info, etc. There certainly is a victim to some of the things being sold on the BMR, and that I do not approve of.
Another reason I say BMR is a honeypot and SR is not. The Feds have a history of encouraging such fraud so they can build up a case later on... but SR is completely against stuff like that. So once more, SR looks legit and BMR looks like a honeypot. Some morals makes this place look LESS like government.
... Fucked up government.
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Another reason I say BMR is a honeypot and SR is not. The Feds have a history of encouraging such fraud so they can build up a case later on... but SR is completely against stuff like that. So once more, SR looks legit and BMR looks like a honeypot. Some morals makes this place look LESS like government.
... Fucked up government.
If you are using PGP for all identifying information, does it even matter if either or both are honeypots? What do they know that can hurt us?
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Another reason I say BMR is a honeypot and SR is not. The Feds have a history of encouraging such fraud so they can build up a case later on... but SR is completely against stuff like that. So once more, SR looks legit and BMR looks like a honeypot. Some morals makes this place look LESS like government.
... Fucked up government.
If you are using PGP for all identifying information, does it even matter if either or both are honeypots? What do they know that can hurt us?
I'm more worried about the people who don't always encrypt.
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Another reason I say BMR is a honeypot and SR is not. The Feds have a history of encouraging such fraud so they can build up a case later on... but SR is completely against stuff like that. So once more, SR looks legit and BMR looks like a honeypot. Some morals makes this place look LESS like government.
... Fucked up government.
If you are using PGP for all identifying information, does it even matter if either or both are honeypots? What do they know that can hurt us?
I'm more worried about the people who don't always encrypt.
Yes, I worry for those people too. You can try to make them aware of the risk, but c'est la vie.
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Don't be so fucking USofA centered! Where I live I could perfectly send my addy on clear text and to the feds themselves if they were short on toilet paper. Here isn't a crime to purchase, it's just a crime to sell. :D
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Don't be so fucking USofA centered! Where I live I could perfectly send my addy on clear text and to the feds themselves if they were short on toilet paper. Here isn't a crime to purchase, it's just a crime to sell. :D
really? where is that?
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Within EU, at mine and most of countries around you can't be busted for purchase, unless you resell it of course.
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Honestly, all things considered, BMR is as good as of a "fallback" as people here could have expected. It works, it's functional, and there are vendors there.
As far as PGP being automated - who fucking cares? The people I saw still gave up PGP keys, so you can still use "your" PGP all the way through.
SR was, and hopefully remains to be, absolutely light years ahead of everything else out there. But, I don't think a single person didn't register and log in and go "this is too good to be true," and then realizing it wasn't. Except maybe the longtime darknet vendors - they may have had that moment a long time ago.
Everybody just needs to maybe put down the computer for a few days, come back, and see what's up. If god forbid you have use your PGP Keyring contact list (wait, you don't have one? Well, everybody said to get it.....) or BMR to reopen a few lines of communication, that's not that bad at all.
Has anyone here ever had the total free selection of the items that appear on SR? At the level of ease you can buy them with? I doubt 4-ACO-DMT is something I could ask around for on a whim and find pharm grade amounts of it.
SR should have always been approached with the mindset of "this is fucking fantastic, so I should use it while I can." That implied end date could be anything, but - everybody knocking BMR or talking shit back and forth accomplishes nothing, and I hope people things in to perspective - a lot of us seem to forget how easily SR brought the world in to our lives without getting off the couch.
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How would that work anyways, does the DEA/FBI have any jurisdiction outside the US and do you think they would work with lets say Canadian law enforcement to arrest someone from SR?
Am I naive in thinking the feds dont care about a small time bud buyer from Canada?
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If there is anyone reading this who can do anything about this situation please note:
SR means a lot to us. Please dont let such a great community go to waste. Lets see how deep the rabbit hole goes...
A bit of positive thinking will do it. Reality distortion field ftw 8)
btw: nice to meet you allz, been on SR forever but just made a forum account
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I read that SR exchanges something like 20 million a year. Even if that number was vastly fabricated, this site is too established to go anywhere just because of something like this.
Not fabricated, understated.
BMR's ranks swelling is just vendors moving over there for the downtime, not forever. They know they're safer on SR than on BMR. BMR's admin is a fucking waste who spammed his shit all over these forums and the bitcointalk forums while, originally, allowing child-porn and everything else SR is against.
I wouldn't trust BMR's security, personally. Hell, there's less-than-zero chance that BMR is Uncle Sam's honeypot-reaction to SR.
I just can't see the feds setting up shop and sending drugs through the mail. Here, there or anywhere. It's not the same thing as selling on the street, where controlled buys are the norm. There is no secure chain of custody with mail order, no leverage of being able to scare a buyer into giving up his seller, and too much that could go wrong.
I didn't say they set up shop, I said they created the bazaar. I think BMR, the entire site itself, is a fed honeypot. If you ever give your address in cleartext on it, expect a trip to a lovely rape-friendly prison.
Set up shop, created the bazaar, invited us to dinner... Same/same
Harvesting addresses with no drugs sent or received is a waste of time. Nothing gained, nothing ventured.
Actually sending drugs thru the mail? Again, why? AT BEST, they snag a few small time users before word gets out. Reverse sting won't work, either. They can't leverage the buyer, or otherwise work their way up the chain. And at worst? Teenage Johnny and five of his friends overdose and die getting fucked up on Federal Heroin. So they'd HAVE to deliver it in person. Ugh. More manpower, police work. More expenditure. More money.
LE on all levels have evolved into self-serving entities of local, state, and federal authority... Ever-increasing budgets (yet still ALWAYS under-funded), asset forfeiture in rem, and increasing authority over deceasing civil liberties and rights, however: Selling and mailing drugs thru the mail is a completely different animal than setting up a controlled buy in person, where the rewards easily outweigh the money spent and man-hours invested..
Besides, only at the Federal level would jurisdictional authority exist for such an endeavor. The manpower and expenditure that would be required, combined with the necessary degree of coordination between federal and state authority (and additional expense) precludes any possibility that the fat, bloated sow we call Federal Government will ever lift her head from the trough long enough to feed on SR/BMR slop... Even at the behest of the good Senators Schumer and Manchin.
Unless she can somehow get to that Dreaded Pirate Roberts guy, and his buried btc treasure... Now, THAT feeding might be worth some federal funding.
All colorful sarcasm aside, though- I think users of both sites are quite safe, as long as they don't act downright downright careless or foolhardy. There may be some low-hanging fruit that gets picked, but those unfortunate souls won't stand in enough numbers to allow the Fed to guarantee maximum occupancy in the Privatized Penal System [INC!], nor will they be able to assist in bringing down this new niche market, or the rogue pirate operators who will surely proliferate here... No, to do that, the Feds will do what they always do: follow the money. The bitcoins. The weakest link.
The real challenge for DPR and Company isn't hiding behind behind Tor hidden services- it's converting millions of not very spendable bitcoin into legitimate, spendable currency that can actually purchase homes, cars, private yachts, and maybe a summer home in the Hamptons. Currency for which all taxes have been paid and meticulously documented, for a period of not less than 7 years,
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I bet this thread goes pretty cold now ;D oh yee of little faith
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I bet this thread goes pretty cold now ;D oh yee of little faith
The sound of trolls scurrying back into their holes
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hey guys i'm new here in the forums.. could anyone explain me how to use karma?
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hey guys i'm new here in the forums.. could anyone explain me how to use karma?
You can give them when you reach 100 posts.
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hey guys i'm new here in the forums.. could anyone explain me how to use karma?
You can give them when you reach 100 posts.
alright thank u for the info!
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hey guys i'm new here in the forums.. could anyone explain me how to use karma?
You can give them when you reach 100 posts.
alright thank u for the info!
Another approach is to choose a username that you think is funny, only to have people who "writ like dis n all boards" give you negative karma because they are so thick as to not get the joke.
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Being the adventurous type I signed up for a buyer account on BMR while SR was on the fritz. Wouldn't you know it my very first attempt at a BTC for Moneypak transaction to get some quick coin into my "wallet" I got my MP drained and not a single reply from the vendor. That was 10 days ago. Yippee! What a friggin' joke.
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Being the adventurous type I signed up for a buyer account on BMR while SR was on the fritz. Wouldn't you know it my very first attempt at a BTC for Moneypak transaction to get some quick coin into my "wallet" I got my MP drained and not a single reply from the vendor. That was 10 days ago. Yippee! What a friggin' joke.
I ordered 3 items on BMR when SR was done...
All 3 arrived in good order one took over a week but it was from NL.....
I did pretty standard vendor research... BMR seems fine....
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I did pretty standard vendor research... BMR seems fine....
So did I. The vendor I used had stellar feedback. Unfortunately it was all fake feedback. You, it seems, have had transactions that are the exception for BMR and not the norm. In the "scammer accusation" thread the mantra is that it "would be easier to list the legit vendors rather than the scammers."
I think the only way I would use the BMR platform is if I could positively identify a vendor from SR and order from him/her.
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Fair enough, maybe I got lucky then...
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So did I. The vendor I used had stellar feedback. Unfortunately it was all fake feedback. You, it seems, have had transactions that are the exception for BMR and not the norm. In the "scammer accusation" thread the mantra is that it "would be easier to list the legit vendors rather than the scammers."
I think the only way I would use the BMR platform is if I could positively identify a vendor from SR and order from him/her.
Moneypak to btc is a very risky transaction to make, and has nothing to do with BMR, the same happens in SR every week. Check Scam reports. Some of them log in the forums to brag about how much money they made.
I never understood why people do it since you can easily buy bitcoins with zero risk.
Anyway....that wasn't BMR's fault.
I m curious if anyone had to go through resolution on BMR and how the admins handle the situation.
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What's the problem?
Just buy from vendors offering 100% escrow and you're as fine as here.
I agree that there seem to be much more scammers there than here, at least compared to the user-base,
but those are alrgely in the weapons area (99% of those offering whole guns are scammers, most you can easily identify using google inverse picture search) and the financial things, mostly the bank-accounts. Who, in his right mind, would sell you a bank-account with FULL ACCESS, cards, TANs (you might check the bank and the account - yes, they are clever and will give you the account user and pw, for the way TANs work, for most Germanaccounts you need some piece of hardware, like, but not usually exactly, yubikeys).
I mainly use BMR, but for drugs, I'd always prefer SR, or some private deal with individuals I know from previous deals.
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balance and competition is good for everyone!