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Market => Rumor mill => Topic started by: samesamebutdifferent on September 25, 2012, 10:43 am
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New to SR and am interested in hearing other peoples experiences of aussie vendors or international for that matter. Recently made my first order and it arrived promptly with good coms from the vendor, the product though was unfortunately rubbish. Contacted the vendor and exchanged a few very cordial messages and agreed on a possible rectification. A short while later I checked the feedback of the vendor to see if anyone else has posted an issue to see a glowing report of all aspects of the transaction or the same product and this has raised my suspicions as there is no way ANYONE could consider this product any good.
Has anyone else experienced this? I am wondering if vendors post spurious feedback to boost their ratings and discredit genuine disgruntled customers??
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You going to say who the vendor was so nobody else orders from them?
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You're better off researching the forums to get gauge if a vendor is good or not. Thats why I asked if you could let us know who the vendor is.
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It has been known to happen, however your not doing yourself any favors by not naming them. By naming them, buyers could then research the vendor themselves or the vendor could then at least explain the situation should they choose to do so. After all, this is what the forum is for, to discuss matters such as this. By not naming them, your letting other buyers make a potential mistake that could of been avoided. There is also the other side of the coin where your the only buyer with a problem out of a lot of other buyers. However, until you name them, we'll never know.
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Maybe I'm just lucky or being as selective as I am I have been able to avoid rubbish gear but I can honestly say I've had a very positive experience so far with all my purchases (around 6 so far). Thats not to say everything has been perfect but I have found the vendors when approached in a sensible way to be very generous and curtious in their resolutions.
!stop and 2Stop have in my experience been the super stars for quality, speed, kindness and even cost. I need to qualify that with though with an example as thew list prices for their wares can be a fraction higher than others so here goes;
Lets say for example I grabbed 2x1 points of Ice from 2stop @ ` 15btc shipped. Seems high but the high quality and the fact that the actual size sent is well over means that those 2x1 point packs last a LONG time. I'm not a lightweight with any drugs and being Ice is my poison of choice I'm a bit of a pig with it but I would equate 2 - 3 points of 2Stops stuff to easily half a gram from elsewhere in lasting time. More important though is the quality high and clean come down due to the clean gear. That's priceless to me.
Not getting numb from a dab isn't an indication of the quality of though btw. I'm not going to argue or have a go at you about it but IMO that not an appropriate way to decide if it is or isn't coke. Maybe someone will back me up here but real coke is like air going up, has little smell and doesn't have the Novocain effect.
Hope your future experiences are less disappointing at any rate.
BanDit
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I understand and didn't want to leave the impression I was poo pooing your experience or conclusions as such more trying to put to you that in my experience the feedback system works to at least the extent that a vendor with a long and high feedback history is very unlikely to purposefully send dud or fake stuff to you.
Give them every opportunity to rectify or compensate you and if you feel it is warranted still edit your feedback to reflect your experience. It sounds like on the face of it you are doing the right thing but be careful with making definitive statements without evidence as most will simply disregard you or worse tear into you.
Pure, clean coke will not numb at all (its caused by either the cleaning agents left behind or often the Novocaine added to the brew. One fellow I knew of was making coke from Novocain, a diuretic and caffeine and operated for a very long time doing so as it ticked the boxes most look for; numb, gut and hyper aggressive.) and can be subtle enough that inexperienced users feel they have had no change in mood or feeling. Something not known by a lot of people is that the first time you have coke it is very common to have the impression you have and the confidence to convince yourself that nothing happened at all, the mind is after all a powerful thing and the way coke works enhances your self perception and confidence above all else. Not to say this is your first lot but if I' honest with you I feel like there is not enough evidence or subjective /quantitative information in your posts to be able to have confidence that its not a pilot error that's at the heart of this. I know the vendor you are talking about and from what I've been able to put together about them your experience seems to be unique.
I got a g of smoke-able speed from a vendor and was surprised to find my experience was polar opposite everyone else had reported with it. Honestly this made warning bells ring that it was an anomaly and not a reflection of the vendors ethics or the product all things being equal. I approached the vendor before making any broad statements about what it was or wasn't and sure enough they came back with a replacement that was more inline with the countless other feedback from their customers. It looked the same, smelt the same and tasted the same but was not the same in effects.... What went wrong? who knows, too many things could have caused it to spend time trying to work it out but it absolutely wasn't a sinister act on the vendors part, my point being that if you made the statement as above "its not coke" to the vendor based on a dab or a rail or anything less that an actual reagent test it may have got them offside. Sometimes shit happens but you are kind of saying to the vendor they are shit and dishonest or incompetent. Anyone who takes pride in their dealings will be hurt or at the very least suspicious of you and your credentials if they know they didn't do anything wrong and have tried it themselves. I hope your able to take this in the spirit its intended and encourage you to step back from the situation and put yourself in their shoes.
Try 2Stops and I can guarantee you will be extremely happy though....
BanDit
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Trust is a huge thing on SR. You have to trust that they will give you the product that the advertise, and imo, if I get a bad product from a vendor (which I haven't yet, both international and domestic) I would stop using them because the trust is broken. There are plenty of other vendors offering the same products out there for (I assume) the same price. Hope your experiences on SR improve though man, never good not receiving what you were expecting!
UncleCunt.
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i also am wanting to find a good vendor to buy coke from on O/S vendor i haven't looked into them much at this stage yet though
but from recent experience with mdma pills i would look into the direction of chemical brothers i have100% success, Chiquita is also another possible there was 10 less when arrived had only 40 instead of the intended 50 but he offered to resend the 10 plus and extra 5 which was nice, still would of just loved the original 50 in the beginning though.
there has been a new bean vendor xtcexpress, seem like he might be a decent O/S vendor, i am waiting on a order at the moment so will update when i have more news
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Thanks mate and I take on board your comments, it could quite possibly be as you say "a pilot error" on this occasion but until I get a good outcome I felt I should open this up to the forum. I do however stand my my statement re it not being coke, I have had pure coke in South America straight from the manufacturer so I know what to expect and I have had good experiences from my time in many other locations around the world including AU so I know what to expect when consuming, it is for this reason I am interested in hearing other peoples experiences with the same product. I received an order a few days after from a different AU vendor and was very happy with the product.
I am totally open to changing my comments and feedback if winta gets back to me with an offer to make things right, I will see how what happens and go from there. I held off two weeks on here and rejected requests to name the vendor to do the right thing by them as you will see if you read this thread from the top, I am not in the business of flaming someone without opening a dialogue with calm and measured comms first, that does IMO demonstrate I am not having a knee jerk reaction and going off without trying to seek an amicable resolution first.
Fucking hell... I wrote a reply to that post yesterday but its disappeared... my paranoid little brain is going haywire with all sorts of shit now. O_o
Hey a summery though... Good on you man for being able to hold your ground without loosing your shit at me. Speaks volumes for your credibility IMO. Cheers for that!
Maybe you got the wash by mistake? or the gear had been killed by a chemical agent reacting and breaking it down? To answer the OP; No its not that easy to 'cook the books' regarding feedback when they have such a high volume of feedback. Lotteries can do it and other low cost items but that's not what i get from this vendor.
Hmm I hope they come to the table and work through it with you cause its enough to make not feel comfortable purchasing from them. My money is hard earned and the volume of coin I have these days is not what it used to be so gambling with it is not an option. It crushes me when my drugs let me down so...
Good to hear you have at least had a better run with your other vendor .
:-)
BanDit
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Thought I should bump this thread back up for the benefit of the community, WINTA is back up and trading again after taking some time out due to 'issues', I decided to take a chance and make contact to see if his previous offers to compensate were still good and rather predictably I was given the polite brush off. Apparently I declined my compensation, funny that because I was under the impression "I would not be forgotten" and I just needed to be patient.
Not being forgotten seems to actually mean I can take my whole lot of fuck all and be happy with it. I'm sure winta has a very different perspective on things, one that better suits him and doesn't show him in a bad light, I'll let you be the judge of that. He suggested I be totally honest in my feedback so here it is...
Use this vendor at your own risk, reputation is everything in my book and anyone who doesn't keep their agreements isn't worth shit. Why bother making promises if you have no intention of keeping them, just be up front from the beginning, you could at least respect the honesty if nothing else.