Well I got -3 since posting that Anyway Libertas is right, there is little to be gained from arguing, I came into this thread to make a point and shine some light onto an issue and it has been quite interesting to see the reaction that has provoked. I spend most of my time on here combating FUD and I do not buy into conspiracy theories however there is clear evidence of underhand tactics at play. Oh and by the way Raz, when you are posting about there being no conspiracy theories are you referring to all that info you have on who is running shills and who is negging who? just checking