Give it a reset and let it go, seriously.
You created this thread after you were called out and pulled to pieces in the last thread on the subject, your continuous assertions regarding what you and you alone perceive on the matter have clearly been demolished by the ever increasing number of established and in my book respected members who are getting the same treatment of being targeted, something I have been saying from the outset and something you said was and I quote from the last thread "There's enough conspiracy theories over the last 3 pages alone to fill a whole Alex Jones site".
You created this thread in a lame effort to discredit what scout and I have claimed, you clearly have it in for scout and probably now me as well but I couldn't care less about you, what I do get annoyed about is when I
see blatant efforts to try to manipulate opinion and spread untruths.
Get a new hobby, you clearly have a lot to offer this community when your efforts are focused in the right place, waging a FUD campaign again the mods you have taken a dislike too is not fooling anyone apart from
yourself.
You showed your hand in the other thread re what is driving this and yes that thread was indeed locked to try and put an end to this bullshit but you just won't let it go, why is that Raz? what are you trying to gain
and/or prove but pushing a point that if you read this thread from top to bottom clearly holds no water whatsoever.
Let me remind you and everyone else for that matter what triggered all of this, you responded to a post of mine to which I sought some clarification of your point. The reply to that however came from an entirely different account though and that prompted my tongue in cheek reply asking if you had posted from a shill. What followed was a mad scramble by you to cover your tracks, begging a mod to remove your name from the post and sending me some nonsensical rant that actually did nothing to explain what happened. I have refrained from bringing this up since because I had hoped you would just leave it alone but all I keep seeing is more and more misinformation being posted by you so my patience on the matter has run out.
Please, get a new hobby and get back to trying to help instead of this divide and conquer bullshit you are trying (and failing) to pull because you are not fooling anyone.
This response from samesamebutdifferent, has quite frankly, shocked me. A moderator is supposed to be neutral within disposition. The karma issue goes far beyond the 'figures' set before a username, some have adopted it as a way on
attacking other members, a form of forum bullying if you will, this is malicious and needs to stop. Perhaps the karma system needs to be done away with altogether, however this would not stop the nastiness and dirty
tactics deployed by some members against others. Raz has done nothing but tirelessly help people here and support them, by providing common sense, good advice, and on point posts. I enjoy reading his posts and enjoy this thread for the point of raising an 'intelligent and sensible debate' about the karma system, something I have not seen before and something that given the current state of affairs on the forum is necessary. Why samesamebutdifferent given your position and your obligations as a moderator attempting to derail this thread into something it's not, if it were not for your moderator position, this would be seen as trolling
against a long standing hero member. This thread needs to be set back on track, as an 'intelligent and sensible debate' about the karma system.
When my integrity is is called into question repeatedly I have just as much of a right to defend myself as the next person. If you choose to overlook the continuous assertions and unsubstantiated allegations being
made specifically against me and scout then that is up to you but quite frankly I had had a gut full and I would invite you to consider who is being trolled here, your interpretation of that is just your perception and you are entitled to it.
If accusations are made then mod or no mod I have the right of reply, my preference would obviously be to put an end to all of this immediately which is as simple as all concerned agreeing to draw a line in the sand
and leaving it there, I cannot be any clearer than that.
Well samesame, you finally slipped up on the forums and put your foot in it haven't you? Now we know for sure who is going around negging everyone. It is clear as day that you have been giving everyone negs with the ability to hand out negs without a time delay in an effort to stuff the karma system. Ever since you stated that the karma system should be dismantled forum members have been receiving massive amounts of negs that are only possible for a mod to give out. You have tried to blame a hidden "shill army" but I have calculated that the amount of negs given to the amount of people, it is not even possible for this to occur even if someone had over 100 forum accounts. Thank you for stuffing up today samesame and showing as very clearly who is responsible for the recent neg spike on the forums. You should be immediately stripped of your position and apologise to everyone on the forum who you negged, you have made it abundantly clear that you cannot handle responsibility.
I have seen the way that you have just bullied PrincessHIGH on this thread and am calling you out for the cowardly little man you are. Before you came online and posted your little rant her karma was +732/-82. In the 30 seconds following your post, she was hit with 10 negs and her karma went to +732/-92. When Lib posted, her negs continued to skyrocket, receiving 1 neg per minute. Princess's karma is currently +732/-96. Meaning that all this talk of Silk Road forums being a "free" place and that no one is being censored, utter crap. She has received 14 negs in the space of minutes for a post that was faultless, and you have been stupid enough to keep clicking [discourage] to the point that this is clear proof you have been tampering the karma system all along. Symmetry, the new admin, who has never made a post has a karma rating of +2/-0 meaning their karma has been directly modified from the phpMyAdmin which only admin of a forum have access to, it is not possible to receive karma from members without a post. If you neg someone 14 times in the blink of an eye for showing a fellow long-time member support, and for asking some pertinent questions that you didn't agree with, then you should not be modding as it reveals you do not have the mental capacity to contribute to this forum in that position, it is simply too demanding for your current capabilities. I have noticed you increasing you buddies karma by as much as 30 in 48 hours, so I think we can clearly see you have abused this unlimited karma ability. You've admitted you don't "get" long posts b/c your head hurts, you can't answer tech questions, you are uncomfortable in the Philosophy section, and have just abused the unlimited karma ability to give PrincessHIGH a slab of negs in 30 seconds, and are now giving her a neg every 15 minutes or so in a way that is clearly personal, unprovoked and a clear abuse of moderating. You have really showed us just how "capable" you are at this job and what kind of weak, insipid personality you have IRL. If this is how you use you moderating position, to bully and intimidate well-respected and esteemed members of the forums over something so petty, then simply GTFO the forum and hand over the position to someone else, as there are simply too many people here who would be a real asset here.
Now. As to your post that took you a whole day writing. Is this it? Is this what you left the forums for yesterday when, for the first time in a long time, the spam overfilled into ALL sections b/c no one was modding for an extended length of time? We had to bump the spam down until it was taken care of. Okay samesame, what drivel have you come up with this time?
This response from samesamebutdifferent, has quite frankly, shocked me. A moderator is supposed to be neutral within disposition. The karma issue goes far beyond the 'figures' set before a username, some have adopted it as a way on attacking other members, a form of forum bullying if you will, this is malicious and needs to stop. Perhaps the karma system needs to be done away with altogether, however this would not stop the nastiness and dirty tactics deployed by some members against others. Raz has done nothing but tirelessly help people here and support them, by providing common sense, good advice, and on point posts. I enjoy reading his posts and enjoy this thread for the point of raising an 'intelligent and sensible debate' about the karma system, something I have not seen before and something that given the current state of affairs on the forum is necessary. Why samesamebutdifferent given your position and your obligations as a moderator attempting to derail this thread into something it's not, if it were not for your moderator position, this would be seen as trolling against a long standing hero member. This thread needs to be set back on track, as an 'intelligent and sensible debate' about the karma system.
When my integrity is is called into question repeatedly I have just as much of a right to defend myself as the next person.
What kind of weak, shallow man uses his mod position to reign down 14 negs on a highly respected forum member and then writes a post on how much integrity he has? As to it being repeatedly called into question, you were the one who tried to derail my thread and relentlessly trolled me until you saw someone defend my character, at which stage you backed off. I have seen the way you only troll people who can't fight back, phoboss, InfiniteSource and Scotland Yard do not have anyone to defend them so you cowardly troll them knowing that they won't receive backup as they themselves have trolled in the past. I merely posted as I was sick and tired of your misinformation and FUD, I responded, you couldn't handle it so you backed off.
You still banging on about your integrity?
If you choose to overlook the continuous assertions and unsubstantiated allegations being made specifically against me and scout then that is up to you but quite frankly I had had a gut full and I would invite you to
consider who is being trolled here, your interpretation of that is just your perception and you are entitled to it.
Continuous assertions? Unsubstantiated allegations? Let me remind you that you yourself were the one that came to my thread and stopped the debate about negging by continually posting FUD and trolling the OP -- me -- despite the fact that you said you were only going to make one post. I was away for over a week and you still kept posting your crap. You seem to have a LOT of free time on your hands for a mod.
As for this crap about not supporting mods, no one is buying it. My posts, PMs, and initiatives speak for themselves. Princess and myself have both given more support to mods than most. I thought I cleared this up before? You;re not being trolled samesame, you are trolling me and your recent posts give a pretty good indication of how personal and vitriolic you have been over nothing. You have been aggressive over an issue where there WAS no issue, if you can become all upset over nothing then it doesn't say a lot for your ability to cope under pressure.
If accusations are made then mod or no mod I have the right of reply, my preference would obviously be to put an end to all of this immediately which is as simple as all concerned agreeing to draw a line in the sand
and leaving it there, I cannot be any clearer than that.
Well, if you really wanted to "put an end to all of this immediately" why have you constantly kept coming back to this thread to troll and make personal attacks on an OP and long time member? You obviously enjoy coming back here and think this is some kind of a game. Grow up and move out of your parent's house. My observation is that there is a lot of maturing that needs to take place here. Clicking on a member's karma 14 times instantly doesn't say a lot about you. Don;t deny you did this, b/c we have caught you out doing it through your own stupidity. Children neg. Not adults. Certainly not moderators.
as simple as all concerned agreeing to draw a line in the sand and leaving it there, I cannot be any clearer than that.
How old are you, 12? You want to "draw a line in the sand" with PrincessHIGH? You're kidding right? Are you challenging her? Boy oh boy, samesame, you have a lot to learn so don't be stupid. Be -- VERY -- careful who you challenge around here. (You live in Australia right? ) My advice to you is to get back to your version of "modding" and to stop antagonizing forum members who have served this community well, in more ways than you would know.
The person that you have chose to bully and neg 14 times in 30 seconds is a well respected member of Silk Road and its forums. She has given tirelessly of herself and before she became busy with vending -- she's currently the top bitcoin vendor -- she used to give expert coke reviews from the perspective of someone who thoroughly knows what she is talking about. She also was a familiar face in the newbie section and tech sections -- more than you have done samesame -- and regularly taught PGP encryption both on the PGP Club and via PMs. She has the highest amount of positive karma on the forums and it has not come from posting daily in on the +KARMA thread either -- she hardly posts there. If you think she is anyone to trifle with, and are stupid enough to get into a long grudge match of you negging her every day and basically being immature -- then you may perhaps become familiar with the old adage that what goes around comes around. This is a drug forum. Don't be stupid by pissing off unknown quantities around here.
And stop NEGGING PEOPLE!! We now know that you're the little cunt that has negging everyone on the forums the last week and you need to grow the fuck up.
If you lock this thread we'll know you've been outwitted and simply can't respond. (You often lock threads in this fashion)
If my account is banned or deleted, it will be as clear as day you're a spiteful little man who can't be trusted to mod without abusing your position.
If you respond on this thread again, then it mean you wish to engage in a petty little grudge match with endless trolling and slinging and discredit the OP.
If my negs go up suddenly after posting, or even in the same 1-every-15-minute way you have targetted Princess, then you'll be seen as someone who prefers to troll and abuse the karma function than to mod.
Piece, Love, and Fuck Haters.
PS A special mention to samesame who made it easy for me through his own stupidity
PrincessHIGH's karma immediately before posting: +732/-82
PrincessHIGH's karma immediately after posting: +732/-97
Raz's karma immediately before posting: +500/-80
I'm sorry, did you call me a "little cunt who is negging people?", I take exception to that, cunts are nice warm places.
Just because I am logged in does not mean I am active on the forums so no I was not scouring my mental faculties for hours thinking up that post you referred to, Jesus you really should consider working as a fiction writer, your flights of fantasy are quite incredible.
And seeing as you are clearly stalking my movements, reading my posts, looking to see when I log in and out etc can I suggest you get a life instead, its much more fulfilling and enjoyable i can assure you.
... To PrincessHIGH I have never, not once negged you, whether you want to believe that or not is entirely up to you.
Like I said before I would like nothing more than to draw a line under this, I will not however just roll over and be defamed by you Razorspyne, your forum tactics embody all the traits you are projecting in my direction, get a mirror and take a look at yourself.
Oh yes and one last thing, yes I am in Australia, what of it? if you have a point (or threat) to make then make it don't use one of those stupid emoticons you love so much to try and infer you were being lighthearted.
Over and out...
*disclaimer no one was negged in the writing of this post, any negs that did take place are not the doing of this poster.