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Dubgx2 is confirmed as in full scam mode, DO NOT ORDER OR FE!!

Make sure to tell SR support the bitcoin address you sent coins to in order to fund the account, they can then go looking for you. That will also verify you as the rightful owner of the account.

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Quote from: samesamebutdifferent on June 20, 2013, 10:06 pm

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Quote from: bruzzcuzz on June 20, 2013, 09:49 pm

anybody got their oders from DUbG yet?

mine is about 42 days. i have seven days left till it autofinalizes. i asked for another extension of 30 days or lower if he wanted just to make sure we could correctly determine wether its been nabbed by customs or just slow mail.

i did also mention politely that a "regular and satisfied au customer" noted that the postmarked date of transit was sometimes 2 weeks later than the SR transit time, and that i was in no rush but just wanted the extra time to handle resolution in a timely manner t (as it was 10 days left on the ticker). i also asked him if he could verify what date he said it was went on (added i had no issues with him over that) and if he had any tracking data that could help determine its location

so far its been 3 days and no response from dubg- how do i handle this as the ticker goes down? i know he has a policy but if there's no response i'd rather SR support determine the best course of action in terms of a refund - but still i dont wannna ruin my stats but not finalizing for him if he'd not going to respond.

also i didnt FE, noted some people on his feedback fe'd for international - did any of you?

i cold let the ticker get down to 3 days and then resubmit to him but thats very risky if he's not going to respond. if he doesnt answer id rather a 100% refund.. wether i get a refund of 100% or his policy refund.....  but its just not for me to pay $200 into his coffers just to give him a 1/5 and then get shitlisted on the vendor lists as a result.

bruzzcuzz bad manners

Libertas where are you

it's ok to discuss vendors who are scamming mate, just not the ones we are having success with.

Thanks for the prompt reply

So is it okay to discuss an International vendor whom I  believe selectively scammed me even though I can't prove it and other members have had success with?

Call me thick and difficult just seems like a very grey area to me

As Wad has already said it is a bit of a 'grey' area as so much of what gets posted on here is just subjective individual experiences. Many people scream 'scammer' when their order doesn't arrive but as we all know there are heaps of reasons that may have happened. Vendors can be just as guilty of doing this too when a buyer is having issues, they get branded a scammer and that's the end of it, neither approach is really the way to go about things.

When I have had an issue I tend to put some feelers out, PM some other members whose opinions I trust, post in a thread or too asking people to PM if they were having similar issues etc. This normally helps me form a more informed opinion, in previous situations I have received multiple PM's for others saying they were having the exact same issue, and in some cases lots of people saying they had been receiving their orders just fine. Doing it this way keeps unsubstantiated allegations off the forums, doesn't cause unnecessary drama and positions you well should you need to raise it with the vendor because in my experience if you are polite and non emotive in your dealings with vendors they extend you the same courtesy. If on the other hand you run your mouth off screaming scammer all over the forums and sending the vendor abusive and demanding PM's expect to get fuck all apart from blacklisted.

So yes lots of 'grey' but when you have a pretty good idea you are not alone having an issue I think it is entirely appropriate and for the good of the community to mention the vendors name, provided you have gone about things as described about first and done your research.

Bru

Quote from: bruzzcuzz on June 20, 2013, 09:49 pm

anybody got their oders from DUbG yet?

mine is about 42 days. i have seven days left till it autofinalizes. i asked for another extension of 30 days or lower if he wanted just to make sure we could correctly determine wether its been nabbed by customs or just slow mail.

i did also mention politely that a "regular and satisfied au customer" noted that the postmarked date of transit was sometimes 2 weeks later than the SR transit time, and that i was in no rush but just wanted the extra time to handle resolution in a timely manner t (as it was 10 days left on the ticker). i also asked him if he could verify what date he said it was went on (added i had no issues with him over that) and if he had any tracking data that could help determine its location

so far its been 3 days and no response from dubg- how do i handle this as the ticker goes down? i know he has a policy but if there's no response i'd rather SR support determine the best course of action in terms of a refund - but still i dont wannna ruin my stats but not finalizing for him if he'd not going to respond.

also i didnt FE, noted some people on his feedback fe'd for international - did any of you?

i cold let the ticker get down to 3 days and then resubmit to him but thats very risky if he's not going to respond. if he doesnt answer id rather a 100% refund.. wether i get a refund of 100% or his policy refund.....  but its just not for me to pay $200 into his coffers just to give him a 1/5 and then get shitlisted on the vendor lists as a result.

bruzzcuzz bad manners

Libertas where are you

it's ok to discuss vendors who are scamming mate, just not the ones we are having success with.

anybody got their oders from DUbG yet?

mine is about 42 days. i have seven days left till it autofinalizes. i asked for another extension of 30 days or lower if he wanted just to make sure we could correctly determine wether its been nabbed by customs or just slow mail.

i did also mention politely that a "regular and satisfied au customer" noted that the postmarked date of transit was sometimes 2 weeks later than the SR transit time, and that i was in no rush but just wanted the extra time to handle resolution in a timely manner t (as it was 10 days left on the ticker). i also asked him if he could verify what date he said it was went on (added i had no issues with him over that) and if he had any tracking data that could help determine its location

so far its been 3 days and no response from dubg- how do i handle this as the ticker goes down? i know he has a policy but if there's no response i'd rather SR support determine the best course of action in terms of a refund - but still i dont wannna ruin my stats but not finalizing for him if he'd not going to respond.

also i didnt FE, noted some people on his feedback fe'd for international - did any of you?

i cold let the ticker get down to 3 days and then resubmit to him but thats very risky if he's not going to respond. if he doesnt answer id rather a 100% refund.. wether i get a refund of 100% or his policy refund.....  but its just not for me to pay $200 into his coffers just to give him a 1/5 and then get shitlisted on the vendor lists as a result.

IMHO opinion it either wasn't sent, or was sent but to the wrong address or it has been nabbed. Either way that vendor has red flag written all over them right now, they hit the scene with great comms, excellent product and fast shipping. Today they couldn't be any further away from that if they tried.

AVOID and do not FE, if I were you I'd be asking for a 100% refund and ensuring the admins are briefed on this vendors current issues.

*thats Dubgx2 I am talking about by the way.

I am not sure how best to answer your question sk0rt so has asked an admin for clarification, I will report back later.

You will probably not like my response here but please try to understand I am just trying to help ok. The auto-finalize rate is calculated by taking into consideration a number of variables and is quite a complex formula. Basically your stats are weighted toward the present and by the size of your transactions, so you must take these things into account when checking your stats.

In future please try not allow any orders to auto finalize, your stats will also start to repair fairly quickly once you conclude some more transactions without issue.

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Firstly, there will ALWAYS be some users, not just Aussie's but user's Worldwide, who FE for a vendor, regardless of what anyone does or says. The point has been made that this vendor is a scammer and that's all you can do. If buyers aren't smart enough to use the Forum before making a purchase and do a little research or worse still, FE for ANY vendor, especially local ones, they have no one to blame but themselves." You can lead a horse to water but you can't make em' drink". Any buyer who doesn't check out the Forum, especially prior to making a purchase, is as silly as a duck!

agreed, while I think its great that we are so protective of users that we keep warning them not to FE and give plenty of heads up, sometimes I also think there's only so much you can do and let's face it at the end of the day some people are just too lazy/ or for whatever reasons chooses not to do a bit more due diligence and go ahead to FE. Part of me thinks that learning a lesson the hard way tends to make it more memorable and it'll also sting more, and maybe they'll think twice before finalising early the next time.

Exactly geeza23. Sometimes learning a lesson the hard way is what's needed for the message to get through.    I do think that there are a lot of uninitiated buyers who are totally oblivious to the pitfalls and perils of the internet drug scene. There is so much to learn and take in. It's been around for 10+ years already, way before SR became a "household" name.  For some buyers, it can be overwhelming.
I do find it amusing though at the amount of buyers willing to pay anonymous people loads of their hard earned cash (BTC's) for an illegal product listed on a black market run off a Tor Hidden Service on the Hidden Web.  There is also the misconception of using the word "trust" on SR. I can't see how a buyer could trust a vendor, someone you know absolutely nothing about and vice versa?? You might want to trust a vendor and the online persona they project to their customers but that's all it is, a persona. I'm not saying that vendors are not trust worthy, not at all. All I'm saying is with the nature of this business, where maintaining your anonymity is of paramount importance, nobody knows anyone and never will. I will refrain from trusting ANYBODY. I certainly have an opinion and get a sense of a vendor through their actions, messages and service, but that's as far as it goes for me. I can still like someone and converse with them without having to trust them. It's just common sense to not "trust"people here. IMO, to do so is to let your guard down and allow people an opportunity to exploit your "trusting nature".
WingWong is spot on about using some common sense. The only problem with that though is common sense isn't too common anymore!!
I have to agree with you Dingo about the low number of SR buyers who use the Forum. It just illustrates the small percentage of SR users who actually read through the SR WIKI, including the Buyer (and Seller) Guidelines set out by DPR to help minimize mistakes and maximize your buying experience. You only have to read "A few words from the Dread Pirate Roberts" on the SR Homepage to know where to look for more info. and where to start. I suspect not many people take the time to read his/her basic introduction though. 

I hear it all the time: people who have either jumped on, bought from the first cheap buyer they see and been scammed, or have a FOAF who has, and they tell me that the whole place is a scam. They know so, and have pity for me as a journo for being fooled In to thinking its real. Apparently I'm the naive one

Pine is correct. The vast majority of buyers do not visit the forums.

Heads up there is likely to be some hysterical publicity on the way. I've been contacted in the past week by both 60 Minutes and Today Tonight to comment on stories about SR. I think they are about kids buying synths on the web and ODing  (not sure as I declined both)

Do you know how many Australian's die each week here and abroad from alcohol related incidents? probably close to triple figures but where is the hysteria about that? why are we not all horrified and outraged that this evil substance that destroys lives and communities is sold on pretty much every street in this country.

The hypocrisy of the news media and legislative framework we laughably call the justice system appalls me.

We are all free to make our own choices in this life, I do not need a benevolent government to legislate what I do with my own body thank you.

I feel sad for the tragic loss of life, I am equally sad at how many people will be whipped up into a furore over some bullshit sensationalized TV propaganda.

Rant over.

Um, yes, I am.  Clearly you are not familiar with my work.  Which is cool, but please do so before calling me  a hypocrite, thanks

I wasn't referring to you Eileen, I was talking about the those other media types