First let me say...well written post and I +1 you for that and I totally understand everything you said...BUT..... Why do you care so much about karma? It so does not matter as long as you are in the +...let me explain.. If an account is( +22 and -133 300 post )then you know with out a doubt that the person posting is a complete fucking idiot. PERIOD. It is not like he got the Neg karma for no reason..Not at all..and you can tell when you read one of their post...they deserve it..like Karma does not lie.. Now if someone is (+450 -55 800 post )you can also tell they are on top of it..and you will see in there post that they usually write very well and/or they say things that right on. They are not idiots at all. When someone is (+77 -68 450 post) then that is "normal" and again you can read there post and you can see it in what they say.. they are not idiots nore do they say anything that great...they might either way.. When someone is ( +87 -93 600 post) again you can see it...not so much because there neg out weighs there Pos but that with the count you can kind f tell again they are close to even/normal but you can see it in there post they are on the moreof a stupid side then a smart one... Now the person that is (+55 - 7 240 post) you can tell in there post that they never post anything saying another member is dumb or that they hate XX or that they dislike s feature that is positive...again you can see it in there post...they tend to be positive and say positive things and stay away from the bs threads on here.. Bottom line is the Karma system works.. and yes there is ways to pad your karma of course and people do...there is a fucking thread where these people go in there and the + karma each other!!!! Could you imagine if you were one of those people!! The people in there are the same exact ones that are total haters and NEg other people..that is why they are in there! No one else would ever go...I mean why the fuck does someone care that much?? That brings me back to you...honestly...why do you care so much...I read your whole thread...and I liked it..and you made sense..but one thing you never said is why do you care so much? I mean you are obv in the + side of things..and everyone can tell that reads it your a smart guy...BUT that does not answer why you care? Also you have to know that the Karma thing so doe snot matter if you are a positive karma poster...meaning it would matter if you made this thread and your count was +55 -188....I mean first...it would be IMPOSSIBLE for you to write this if you were...(and that is my point) this system actually totally does it's job...and yes haters will hate...but they usually have the worst Karma..and the great thing is they never get it and even if they create a new account...it stays with them...meaning it will turn out the same...because they do not understand that they are dumb as shit..and this forum has a lot of them.. I should call them out..lol..You would see them run in here and say stupid shit.. So I hope you understand my points and I can't wait to hear why you even care enough to write this OP...I in fact have never seen a post form you until now