The FACT is they are still made in South Africa. How I know this, is because I was there last year and I got 20. I paid about US dollar $3 a pill. They are as common there as Valium is here. Though I agree to you they may never end up on the road, to say they don't exist is just plain wrong. People have told me the same thing about GHB. Yes I know you can still get it from Europe, but there is still one US manufacture that makes it. From them it is very expensive. About $30.00 a dose. But it does exist. As does US pharma MDMA. Again HARD to get, will never make the road, but does exist. RxKing