Silk Road forums

When the site is down it gives me time to come into the forums and read. Holy shit are these forums terrible. There is so much bad information on here. Its also amazing how many people do not understand btc and don't realize that it makes no difference how much btc is...the price for drugs stays the same. Also for those of you who do not know...when SR is back up, go to account at the top, then click settings on the right hand side, then click display on dollars. That way you see everything in US dollars instead of btc prices. Also if you want to know how much the btc is on SR at the moment, just add something to your cart and it will then give you the current value of the btc on Silk Road.

Also for those of you that are worried that while SR is down you could lose money if the btc gos down. Relax, it is only going up. In fact it will be even higher the longer SR is down as SR is on a 24hr weighted average of Mt.Gox.

If you read a thread and the OP asks for some help and you do not 100% know the answer.....do not post.

I thought it was clear, you being here for a year doesn't mean you know any better actually, like many other old members who think it's ok to skip security measures like GPG because they haven't been caught yet, so they must be right.  Just because you can't think of a reason to cover your bitcoin transactions doesn't mean that there isn't one.

Also the subject of the post is not that part but the rest of it. Do you have any thoughts on that?

Quote from: acider on March 19, 2013, 08:27 pm

Bitcoin mixing and GPG have something in common, the way I see it, they are precaution in case SR one day get compromised.
If that happens they will have access to every user's data including btc addresses. So they have your SR deposit addresses. They can easily check where the deposits to this address originated (SR mixer can't help here since it takes place after the deposit). Have in mind that they can easily get logs of every address used for most of the biggest online wallets and btc exchange sites, seems they already do that with mtGox.
This will probably never happen for small transactions , but I am sure they re gonna go after the bigger players if they ever get our addresses.

So why can't you be a little more careful with that process? It doesn't cost that much anyway.

It was not clear at all. This is your sentence---


"Guys not using GPG have been here over a year , that doesn't make them smart or knowledgeable and it doesn't mean encrypting is useless"

You read that and tell me there shouldn't be another word after GPG....?  And I was confused because you say " and it doesn't mean encryption is useless"  ...um ok..where did that come from?  And who implied that not using GPG for over a year makes them smart? or knowledgeable? and again it seems you throw encryption is useless in there from left field.

I totally disagree that me being here for 1 year doesn't mean I know any better...I think it is safe to say that I know more about SR and how this place works from being here for 1 year then someone that has been here for weeks. But just being here a year is not the defying thing. Me being a vendor here for 1 year and mailing 1000's of packages and having 1000's of btc makes me someone that knows a lot more then your average forum user.

"like many older forum members who think to skip security".... well so far in your very first sentence you have yet to be correct! Your first  5 words....no you were not..your next 13 words--you being here for a year doesn't mean you know any better actually-- actually it does. Your next gem--- like many other old members who think it's ok to skip security measures like GPG because they haven't been caught yet-- you could not be more wrong(well you could...look at your first couple points) many "older" members are in fact fanatics about gpg! So I am not at all like many...I am one of the few who has my opinion...Jesus, when in the sentence are you going to say something accurate?? Caught yet? Meaning if I were to get caught I wuld then want to use GPG? Yea that makes sense(except the total opposite)  That was your first sentence!! You ended it with the gem "so they must be right" in reference to since they have not been caught yet...where did you come up with this shit?

As to your second sentence...

Just because you can't think of a reason to cover your bitcoin transactions doesn't mean that there isn't one.

What the fuck are you on?

"I can't think of a reason to cover my btc transactions?  I don't need to cover my btc transactions.. I don't even do btc transactions!  Where did you come up with this nonsense?


 Do yourself a favor and delete your post!  What are you even talking about when you say I can't cover my btc transactions?

So go ahead genius and come up with something witty and smart to why you wrote something that is totally inaccurate.

Quote from: RxKing on March 19, 2013, 10:57 am

Hello- Gob..

Were going to do something on here that is NEVER done! We disagree and we are going to state our cases and  even if we still disagree we wont call the other one an idiot. We are going to show how you can have totally different opinions and still be cool with each other

So you said you disagree......EXPLAIN WHY?

Yeah, OK. It's good to state one's positions. First is there is no really sure way of knowing whether sending coins to an SR address can't somehow be "discovered". I have researched this all over and I get no definite answer one way or the other. Is there something in the algorythms or in the composition of the address itself that can identify a site? I don't think this question can be answered definitively.

In that case, and being that the OP is buying coins with a very unsecure and identifying method, I say why take the chance? Mix the coins up and then send them there.

Also, the tumbler that is so often mentioned, well that's (again, as far as I know) only when withdrawing coins. In the blockchain when depositing, any given coin amount sent appears along with the SR address in question. So for this, see two paragraphs above. But when withdrawing, there is no way to tell the coins came from the user's SR address,  as shown in the blockchain. Yes, I do realize that following my logic, if an address can be identified as coming from a certain site, then there is a risk even here.

That's why I always advise to use a real mixing service like bitcoin fog (http://fogcore5n3ov3tui.onion).

Admitting that I am far from an expert, I think my points are pretty much on track.

Saludos, amigo!

goblin

WOW...You think your points are pretty much on track???   So I will break down what you said...

Here is your first sentence--

 First is there is no really sure way of knowing whether sending coins to an SR address can't somehow be "discovered".

Ok so here you say there is no way to know if it can be discovered if  you are sending coins to silk road. I am going to assume form here on out that "they" is Leo (law enforcement officer). So lets give you this one and say there is no way to tell if they can "discover it"  or not.

So buying btc is totally legal yet you believe you should not buy btc and send it to SR directly. And when I asked you to give your reasons you responded with this.....

You did say---I don't think this question can be answered definitively.  ( the question is if you should or should not send btc straight to SR)

So that means that there is actually no reason at all to not send your coins directly to silk road. NONE. In fact I asked you why you believe you should not and you said this----

Your first paragraph is------That you have researched all over and can't find anything that say's they(LEO) could find out that the address belongs to Silk Road.

Your second paragraph is-- why take a chance use bitfog

Your third paragraph is--- that the often mentioned tumbler actually applies to withdraws. And that in a blockchain there is the amount and an address(that is your SR one) so for that reason go to your first paragraph and we know that just states that there is nothing either way!

Then you end it with you are far from an expert...but your points are on track!!! You had no points at all!! NONE

What points? That with all your research you cant find anything that states they can figure out your address belongs to SR and that the tumbler applies to withdraws!! That's all you said.. The crazy part is I think you actually believed you stated a case as to why you should not send your coins straight to SR. Yet in the very first paragraph you say you have researched all over the place and you could find nothing!

As you know I have nothing against you.. I make a post saying it is totally ok to send coins straight to your SR address and and you came into this thread and responded that you disagree.....I asked you to tell me why and this was your answer... You said nothing. Not one thing that would give reason to not do it.
 
I understand better safe then sorry and I understand the concept "well it can't hurt" so take the extra step. But in this case(buying coins and sending them straight to your SR wallet) there is no chance. There is no risk. And there is no reason at all you should not just send the coins straight there.

But there is an upside!

Time.

There have been more pos/threads  made in this forum from people frustrated waiting for the confirmations to get their coin and when you read further...there is always one guy who is giving the advice that they should use bit-fog or some other washing site before sending the coins to SR And they always say it in a way like " OMG you better use bit-fog and not just send the coins straight to SR!!! Don't mess with fire"  and like yourself, they in no way, shape or form have anything to back up what they are saying. NOTHING. They just "heard it". Like the crazies that say " don't check USPS tracking from tor... it will flag it!" I mean 100% total LIE and it is passed around like the game  "telephone" and the people that are now passing it around have no fucking clue what they are even saying! Its worse then an urban myth! At least those have SOMETHING... this "make sure and wash your btc before you send it to SR" is 100% complete BULLSHIT! And the number one reason they can come up with is "why take the chance".

People keep posting in threads they know nothing about. These threads used to be a great place for information. Now they are complete shit.














All I want is to help the community be better. And one of the ways to make this shit hole come back to its glory where you could come and get truthful information is to eliminate the total bullshit. This is TOTAL BULLSHIT. These forums used to be such a great place...and now they are total shit. People just say things with no factual backing at all. They comment in post they know nothing about..just to comment. Someone will ask " has anyone used ABC for XXX?" and there will be 3 responses from people that will give their opinion and they have never used ABC or XXX. They will say things like " I tried something like it once and it fucked me up..be careful, let us know how you liked it..hey do you have .003 btc? I am short for my order today".. The other post will say " My buddy tried it and he loved it but I would never risk it. be careful"  This is the type of shit that is on here now. It is sad actually. People will make threads in the completely wrong forum and they will post something they have no personal knowledge at all about..doesn't stop them!  Or they will chime in and say "DONT FE" wow...good one..thanks for the insight! Thank god you are a member.
 

Inigo has no fucking clue what he is talking about!! As to your original question it is not risky AT ALL!!!!

And unlike someone that has been here weeks and has 70 post.... I have been here a year and KNOW what I am talking about!

And though Nomad was correct...he was backwards...it is totally ok to BUY btc that way as you will get the coin...the reverse charges would pertain to the seller..it is easy for the BUYER to claim he didn't authorize he didn't want the charge and get it reversed so the SELLER would get the charge back...but as a buyer you would be ok... So he should have said never sell btc on ebay....but again this is not what the OP even asked..

What the OP asked is if it is ok to send coins straight to your SR account...and that answer is YES!  Is it risky..the answer is NO.

As usual someone that THINKS they know what they are talking about makes a HUGE error.

Hedged orders mean NOTHING for the buyer at all. NOTHING!!!

That only has to do with the vendor. The vendor can pay 6% to hedge is order. That means where the customer buys something for 1 btc and at the exact time that btc is worth $40 then whenever the buyer finalizes the vendor will get $40 for that order... Even if the btc has fallen to $20 per btc... Also if the btc had gone up to $50 then that vendor STILL gets's $40 ...so hedging only works for the vendor if they want to lock up the exact price at the time they sold their item... vendors have done this in the past because some orders could take 2 weeks for the buyer to finalize and in  that time the btc could have gone down x %....but in the last 9+ months...the btc has only gone up...so if you were to hedge...all you did was lose 6%.


Now for the buyer...when you get your btc...and you pay $40 a piece...just use them that day! Thats it! and you wont lose any value...or because the btc has only gone up...you could choose to gamble and hold on to them to try and make some money...but that would not be very smart..as you bought the btc to buy drugs...not to invest.

At the end of the day...with the btc being $45+ for the last 10 days...even if it falls a few dollars...that is a small %....so it is not that big a deal.

Where as a few months ago...when it was $15...and it fell to $9...that is a HUGE drop % wise...

So again...just buy  your btc and use them..and you will be just fine..

Accounts cost almost $2000 now.

Also it is IMPOSSIBLE to fake enough feedback for it to matter. Also when a buyer leaves feedback....(as you said earlier and they say will but again what will they buy again?) it will tell you the item they bought and are leaving feedback for.


The facts are that the last thing anyone on here needs to do is look for fake feedback. That was the only point of my post. Doing so is a total waste of time. I do understand that if you are in a small market that you might not have a lot of options so you might have to trust a vendor that does not have that many feedback's or is new. And if that is the case...don't FE and you will be fine.

The bottom line is if you can chose a vendor that has been here over 4 months and has 100 feedback and over 300 transactions then you are in good hands. PERIOD.

Wow..So I hope you are high on your own supply and you are just replying so you too can get to 50! All these people come in here and just send stupid shit to get to 50 post so they can then not post in the next forums..or post there stupid shit?

The funniest thing about all this is the forums are absolutely total shit! They went to shit a few months ago. There is more bad information in there then anywhere else. SO racing to get in there is pointless...there is no need to post anything..

I actually left another message but I deleted it as it looked like I was taking a shot at you and the guy who was making the point about the USPS. When in fact I was not.. I went ahead and gave you all +1  Good luck to all of you!!

@onetwothree

You clearly have no fucking clue what you are talking about. This is the LAST place someone that has been here for less then 4 weeks should be giving advice like you know what you are talking about. I have been a vendor here for 11 months and a member since the 4th week of SR's opening..so clearly I know what I am talking about!! I am giving facts and advice to help the new people with BTC...and you are giving typical paranoid, weed talking "advice/your opinion. And it is bad advice at that.

First EVERY vendor lists there prices to the dollar. So in makes no difference what the BTC is trading for. NONE. Will only matter if .....from the time you buy your btc  and get it into your account then you go to make a purchase and the btc might have gone down a few cents and you could not have enough  btc to buy the item....but this is easily fixed by always having a few more dollars then you need as to take care of this..as it is rarely anything more then a few cents the btc has dropped in that short period of time.

Also when sending coins into SR ...you tell me why you would ever need to use a tumbler for your coins? How is that in ANYWAY going to help you?

And instead of just giving non answers.... give an example as to what you are saying..



And NO..... it makes no difference if a BTC is worth $1 or $100...as long as you paid for the btc and use it right away(though in the last 8 weeks all it has done is rise so if you waited you "made" money).. These people are buying coins to buy drugs..that's it..so they will be buying them and using them..they do not have to worry about anything else. They sure as fuck don't need to waste time or money on a tumbler service or anything like that. Also your vague answers are not helping them. And you sound like someone that doe not even purchase off SR and is paranoid as shit. And to say something like---

This puts 100% faith into the SR Tumbler. Many prefer the security of the high-reserves blockchain opensource widely used mixer. And many of us have our real identities easily tied to the coins when we first receive them. If you don't, then it's less of a concern.

Why would you not trust SR's tumbler? You trust the site? No one is looking where the coins you purchased are going to.....How does that hurt you..and who would have that info anyways..this is pure paranoia talk and will not apply to 99.999% of buyers on here.

And to use the word "many" is misleading...if by many you mean 15 out of thousands...ok..