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Discussion => Silk Road discussion => Topic started by: colorblack on April 29, 2013, 05:50 pm
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These are testing times we have been in the last few days. The site and forum have literally been under a full scale assault. And don't for a minute think it's a coincidence or just some bored kids trying to hit SR for fun. No fucking chance of that. Whatever is going on, is a coordinated, planned out attack on this community and all of us. Maybe it's the same forces that were trying to manipulate the price of BTC by hitting the exchanges, hitting SR to shake up confidence& see the effect it would have on BTC value. Maybe it's competitors like BMR/Atlantis. Maybe it's extortionists who are demanding they be paid off and won't attack.
Maybe its LE.
There is a lot of bitching going on about "I can't place my order! What the fuck" or "This fucks up my business, I can't vend. I'm going over to Atlantis" "Man the site is still down, SR has shitty security".
Yeah everyone is affected. Buyers, vendors, forum members, staff, mods, DPR. But that's the price we pay for being apart of this place. Shit hits the fan sometimes, and that's life. Dread Pirate Roberts and his team have been fighting off whatever threats nonstop for days now. A lesser man would have said "ok, fuck this. I didn't sign up for THIS SHIT" and runoff with everyones BTC and there would be no recourse ever. But obviously he's not.
What about the good times? What about the months/years (for some of you) of benefiting in some way from this site/community/idea? We're all here because for some reason Silk Road was a dream come true. And some scum want to take that dream away from us. I for one will NOT abandon.
I will stay here as long as it takes. I will not go over to Atlantis and BMR, becauase, well.. fuck them. I'm not going to be manipulated by outside forces to give up on SR come hell or high water. I'm going to stand with DPR, Silk Road, and this community no matter what. And believe me, when DPR is done, this place is going to be a fortress. That's how much faith I have in the guy.
If you aren't going to stick around during the bad times, then don't bother coming back for the good times.
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These are testing times we have been in the last few days. The site and forum have literally been under a full scale assault. And don't for a minute think it's a coincidence or just some bored kids trying to hit SR for fun. No fucking chance of that. Whatever is going on, is a coordinated, planned out attack on this community and all of us. Maybe it's the same forces that were trying to manipulate the price of BTC by hitting the exchanges, hitting SR to shake up confidence& see the effect it would have on BTC value. Maybe it's competitors like BMR/Atlantis. Maybe it's extortionists who are demanding they be paid off and won't attack.
Maybe its LE.
There is a lot of bitching going on about "I can't place my order! What the fuck" or "This fucks up my business, I can't vend. I'm going over to Atlantis" "Man the site is still down, SR has shitty security".
Yeah everyone is affected. Buyers, vendors, forum members, staff, mods, DPR. But that's the price we pay for being apart of this place. Shit hits the fan sometimes, and that's life. Dread Pirate Roberts and his team have been fighting off whatever threats nonstop for days now. A lesser man would have said "ok, fuck this. I didn't sign up for THIS SHIT" and runoff with everyones BTC and there would be no recourse ever. But obviously he's not.
What about the good times? What about the months/years (for some of you) of benefiting in some way from this site/community/idea? We're all here because for some reason Silk Road was a dream come true. And some scum want to take that dream away from us. I for one will NOT abandon.
I will stay here as long as it takes. I will not go over to Atlantis and BMR, becauase, well.. fuck them. I'm not going to be manipulated by outside forces to give up on SR come hell or high water. I'm going to stand with DPR, Silk Road, and this community no matter what. And believe me, when DPR is done, this place is going to be a fortress. That's how much faith I have in the guy.
If you aren't going to stick around during the bad times, then don't bother coming back for the good times.
Word...
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Excellent post!
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Amen
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Very true. However any vendor with a good attitude toward business has also evaluated the new risks and is contemplating business continuity strategies in case SR goes down for a business impacting length of time. It is not to say they have given up on SR, but they are realistically looking at all outcomes.
ACE
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:)
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I'll stay as long as I can. I've been here awhile, and don't see myself giving my trust away to Atlanstits just yet.
We've seen the road go down for days, and even seen a forum reset. I'm not too worried about the road, I think we've just got another hurdle to jump.
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Nice post. Would +1 if I could.
~Secretive
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These are testing times we have been in the last few days. The site and forum have literally been under a full scale assault. And don't for a minute think it's a coincidence or just some bored kids trying to hit SR for fun. No fucking chance of that. Whatever is going on, is a coordinated, planned out attack on this community and all of us. Maybe it's the same forces that were trying to manipulate the price of BTC by hitting the exchanges, hitting SR to shake up confidence& see the effect it would have on BTC value. Maybe it's competitors like BMR/Atlantis. Maybe it's extortionists who are demanding they be paid off and won't attack.
Maybe its LE.
There is a lot of bitching going on about "I can't place my order! What the fuck" or "This fucks up my business, I can't vend. I'm going over to Atlantis" "Man the site is still down, SR has shitty security".
Yeah everyone is affected. Buyers, vendors, forum members, staff, mods, DPR. But that's the price we pay for being apart of this place. Shit hits the fan sometimes, and that's life. Dread Pirate Roberts and his team have been fighting off whatever threats nonstop for days now. A lesser man would have said "ok, fuck this. I didn't sign up for THIS SHIT" and runoff with everyones BTC and there would be no recourse ever. But obviously he's not.
What about the good times? What about the months/years (for some of you) of benefiting in some way from this site/community/idea? We're all here because for some reason Silk Road was a dream come true. And some scum want to take that dream away from us. I for one will NOT abandon.
I will stay here as long as it takes. I will not go over to Atlantis and BMR, becauase, well.. fuck them. I'm not going to be manipulated by outside forces to give up on SR come hell or high water. I'm going to stand with DPR, Silk Road, and this community no matter what. And believe me, when DPR is done, this place is going to be a fortress. That's how much faith I have in the guy.
If you aren't going to stick around during the bad times, then don't bother coming back for the good times.
hey, you still never payed me back.. :P
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I agree with the OP, I'm not going anywhere. I'm not a vendor but I would understand if they want to diversify their market by selling on multiple sites... but that's not me. I have been here for almost two years and my loyalty stays. Prices (outside of LSD) were always fair for the drugs I buy, I like the forums, I like the layout, model, and security of Silk Road.
Thank you DPR for providing this service, wish you the best in thwarting the efforts of those who want to ruin this great place. I'll be waiting for SR to return, even if it takes a while!
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"makes me feel like a spartiate ! ahou ahou !"
Even if i'm a noob on SR ,as i am also one on BMR and Atlantis , i had time to make point of views about those 3 sites ... For what i ve seen , even if i didn t had the chance to place any order atm , I ll stick with SR , i'll stick with this communoty ! and i ll wait for it to be back Up again !
Thanks again to DPR , mods and admin to make it possible .Thanks for the work you have done and for what it will be done !
;)
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+1 for OP
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Yep.
+1 for you, my friend.
I fucking love this place, I ain't fucking going anywhere. I have complete faith in DPR and the perfectly-composed systematic exchange layout of SR evolved from years of hard work and diligence to service and supply & demand.
It's literally a perfect system. You'd be a fucking retard to abandon this place.
DPR and SR forever!
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+1 colorblack
I consider SR to be my go to place, I have poked around BMR and even Atlantis for a second (to see what it was all about) and I felt like I was cheating on my mistress with a much dirtier diseased mistress! With that being said I am with SR till the end of days! Though I know very little about DPR I gather he/she is a revolutionary a hard worker a believer and a pioneer! I have nothing but love for DPR and the opportunities SR and this community has brought me.
It doesn't just stem to drug purchases, but friendships, education, and exxperiences I have gain from being part of this community. That is something that cant be taken away from me or anyone!
In these crazy and uncertain times no one knows what the future may bring. I dont know the full history and past of SR and what the community has endured to come this far since I have only been around for a 2 years, but I know there will always be a future and a strong hold of legit buyer and sellers willing to work together to keep this community alive.
My name is EnergyImport and I am honored to be part of this community, I am here for the long haul!
Keep your head up, stay strong and have faith, and most importantly DPR and all the other SR staff/Mods Thank you your hard work does not go unappreciated!
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+1 live on bro
Chaos
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Couldn't have said it better brother! Long live the Road.
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+1
I am here for the duration. This community is worth defending. Keep up the good work DPR.
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+1 awesome post
I don't even browse clearnet forums anymore, I just love the community on here
YOU GUYS ARE F%$&ING AWESOME AND LONG LIVE THE ROAD
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OP, thank you for the inspiration. You just stopped me from doing something I would have been ashamed of. I'll sit and suffer in the name of libertarianism and support for those who were there for me when I needed them. The 'draws can wait.
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+1 to that :)
There's no way i replace those awesome vendors i've met here and this awesome community.
There even is a drug expert doctor to answer all our questions
Thanks DPR and all the community
Hope this site lasts forever
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Thats not even a question...
DPR owns!
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You cannot destroy an idea....DPR will live on, even if the road crashes.
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The attacks just prove how important this place is.
It's not just about the drugs, it's the ethos of the place, DPR's vision. I'll bet that is a big part of why "the powers that be" want the SR down.
Can't have the proles taking over the show now can they? And taking over from without the regular structure of society and commerce, heavens above!
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as a vendor, when you log back in after a site outage, as there have been many over the time I've been a part of this site.
The orders still all come in as soon as the buyers can get on.
Most buyers have item/products in their sight for days and know that purchasing bitcoins can take longer than 1 day sometimes.
So if the site if down their orders that would have been placed are still placed.
For example, I had 16 orders the hour after the last outage, hope to beat that once the site gets back up :)
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If you aren't going to stick around during the bad times, then don't bother coming back for the good times.
I personally do not feel like he's doing enough. Then again, I am relatively computer naive when it comes to anonymous networks like Tor and cryptography and the various crypto-currencies. But first off, I feel like not enough has been invested into site security. We've been hacked how many times? The phishing scams, the SR Direct Deposit scam, the DDoS bombs we've been hit with over and over, etc... And those are just a few that we know about. I find myself wondering how many times somebody has gotten into the server and database that we don't know about. I suspect it's quite a few. I just cant seem to believe that we're at the "cutting edge" of anonymity technology and security when we can't go a month without a hack, scam, or DDoS attack... I won't criticize too harshly however, because like I said I know very little about such things, and ultimately what do I know? Perhaps DPR is investing heavily into security/anonymity for all. But something just doesn't seem right...
You mentioned that you are computer naive and it seems you are also security naive, if you have encrypted your address with pgp everytime you have placed an order then you can bet your life that anyone accessing the database will not be able to recover any information that has been sent, im only a buyer and am very confident in my security, i can only guess how secure DPR goes about his operation, probably multiple encryption that would be virtually impossible to crack.
There has been no hacks on SR, yes there has been scams and DDoS attacks yet those have nothing to do with security and if you have been scammed or phished then you only have yourself to blame.
If you know about encryption and security then SR is going to be a safe place for you to shop, if you are naive to such things then keep away as 'not knowing' will lead to paranoia as we can see, and yes we all know LE are watching us like a hawk, but it is our own responsibility to learn encryption and keep ontop of the game.
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fumanchu, you have no fucking clue what your talking about.
OP, your the man. Thank you for your encouraging and inspiring post. We appreciate your loyalty more than you can imagine. :)
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What about the good times? What about the months/years (for some of you) of benefiting in some way from this site/community/idea? We're all here because for some reason Silk Road was a dream come true. And some scum want to take that dream away from us. I for one will NOT abandon.
I will stay here as long as it takes. I will not go over to Atlantis and BMR, becauase, well.. fuck them. I'm not going to be manipulated by outside forces to give up on SR come hell or high water. I'm going to stand with DPR, Silk Road, and this community no matter what. And believe me, when DPR is done, this place is going to be a fortress. That's how much faith I have in the guy.
If you aren't going to stick around during the bad times, then don't bother coming back for the good times.
Amen to this, colorblack.
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What about the good times? What about the months/years (for some of you) of benefiting in some way from this site/community/idea? We're all here because for some reason Silk Road was a dream come true. And some scum want to take that dream away from us. I for one will NOT abandon.
I will stay here as long as it takes. I will not go over to Atlantis and BMR, becauase, well.. fuck them. I'm not going to be manipulated by outside forces to give up on SR come hell or high water. I'm going to stand with DPR, Silk Road, and this community no matter what. And believe me, when DPR is done, this place is going to be a fortress. That's how much faith I have in the guy.
If you aren't going to stick around during the bad times, then don't bother coming back for the good times.
Amen to this, colorblack.
BOOM! <3
thats what im talking about
i know for me the road was a dream come true. and yes. as i stand behind it for the duration:) as iv said here and ill say again
long live the road!
Much love_ mcrad!
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fumanchu, you have no fucking clue what your talking about.
OP, your the man. Thank you for your encouraging and inspiring post. We appreciate your loyalty more than you can imagine. :)
No dude thank YOU. I think I speak for nearly everyone here (except fumanchu) when I say this place is fucking awesome. It's literally, LITERALLY what many people dreamed about for many years. And it's a reality thanks guys like you, Scout, SSBD, DPR and other unsung heroes behind the scene.\
I am here till the logical conclusion whether it will be triump or the bitter end. I will respond to this guy's post in detail. SR is going to overcome all this bullshit.
And I'm seriously elated to see all the people posting that no matter what they will not abandon this place/idea.
Let us lose MONEY, let us GO THROUGH DRUG WITHDRAWLS, let us suffer discomfort, but I will not fucking flinch. Don't care. And looks like 99.9% of everyone here feels the same way. Make no mistake gentlemen, we are at war whether we like it or not. SR is under attack. We ARE fucking Silk Road. Without the collective us, this place is just a couple of URL's on the onion router. So whoever is DDOS'ing this place.. they're not attacking a site. They're fucking with all of us. They want it to be down, they want people to jump ship, they want die hard community members to defect on over to other sites, they want vendors (and buyers) in jail, they want it all. This isn't just DPR & Inigo and party's "problem".
This might be controversial to say.. so if it is, sorry mods, I'll edit it out. But I'm gonna fucking say it. Let DPR and team handle this. But if it comes out that it was "rival" (and I use that word loosely.. because if you've seen any of those "rival" sites they're pathetic) sites/affiliates behind these attacks. I swear to god almighty, I will put up a SHITLOAD OF MY PERSONAL BTC and will put out an OPEN CALL to the baddest, most advanced, most hardcore, ruthless motherfucking hacker to come forward and I will pay them thousands of dollars of my own money to DOS the responsible parties into fucking oblivion.
That's right. I don't think we should cast a finger on competitors. For all we know its extorionists or the government. But whoever it is, if DPR so much as suspects it to be anyone in particular, god help them. I'm not rich, but I've got a lot of BTC. And I'll PAY some serious coin to whoever can demonstratively destroy the perpetrators. I'm positive there are others here that will throw in too. If someone wants a fucking war, they will get it.
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fumanchu, you have no fucking clue what your talking about.
OP, your the man. Thank you for your encouraging and inspiring post. We appreciate your loyalty more than you can imagine. :)
i wish i could counter-attack the attackers, id do it for free just to see everyone happy again (including myself)
No dude thank YOU. I think I speak for nearly everyone here (except fumanchu) when I say this place is fucking awesome. It's literally, LITERALLY what many people dreamed about for many years. And it's a reality thanks guys like you, Scout, SSBD, DPR and other unsung heroes behind the scene.\
I am here till the logical conclusion whether it will be triump or the bitter end. I will respond to this guy's post in detail. SR is going to overcome all this bullshit.
And I'm seriously elated to see all the people posting that no matter what they will not abandon this place/idea.
Let us lose MONEY, let us GO THROUGH DRUG WITHDRAWLS, let us suffer discomfort, but I will not fucking flinch. Don't care. And looks like 99.9% of everyone here feels the same way. Make no mistake gentlemen, we are at war whether we like it or not. SR is under attack. We ARE fucking Silk Road. Without the collective us, this place is just a couple of URL's on the onion router. So whoever is DDOS'ing this place.. they're not attacking a site. They're fucking with all of us. They want it to be down, they want people to jump ship, they want die hard community members to defect on over to other sites, they want vendors (and buyers) in jail, they want it all. This isn't just DPR & Inigo and party's "problem".
This might be controversial to say.. so if it is, sorry mods, I'll edit it out. But I'm gonna fucking say it. Let DPR and team handle this. But if it comes out that it was "rival" (and I use that word loosely.. because if you've seen any of those "rival" sites they're pathetic) sites/affiliates behind these attacks. I swear to god almighty, I will put up a SHITLOAD OF MY PERSONAL BTC and will put out an OPEN CALL to the baddest, most advanced, most hardcore, ruthless motherfucking hacker to come forward and I will pay them thousands of dollars of my own money to DOS the responsible parties into fucking oblivion.
That's right. I don't think we should cast a finger on competitors. For all we know its extorionists or the government. But whoever it is, if DPR so much as suspects it to be anyone in particular, god help them. I'm not rich, but I've got a lot of BTC. And I'll PAY some serious coin to whoever can demonstratively destroy the perpetrators. I'm positive there are others here that will throw in too. If someone wants a fucking war, they will get it.
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If you aren't going to stick around during the bad times, then don't bother coming back for the good times.
What the fuck is that supposed to mean?
So what, we're somehow "expected" to just stick it out here, no matter how bad it gets, no matter how much our safety, security, and freedom may be compromised? Why? Because in your mind, DPR and SR are "for the people?" Get your head out of your ass.
You seem to be overlooking one very critical piece of information; DPR is making millions off our business here. Do you believe for a single minute that DPR has done the things he's done for SR, because he's a good guy with upstanding moral values? Fuck no. He's kept this place running and has put on the "rogue leader" front for you guys, simply so he can further his own best interest; raking in ever more commission off these sales... Is it possible he's an upstanding guy, with a strong moral compass? Totally. In fact, it's actually quite likely (I personally get good vibes; but that doesn't count for shit when its just text you're reading online). However, is he doing what he's doing because he's looking out for the good/safety of the customers, or is he acting out of any sense of "loyalty" to the countless thousands (millions?) of paying customers who have helped him get to this point? Absolutely fucking not. Any action he takes on here, period, is to further his bottom line. I'm not hating or saying that's a bad thing; I'm just saying lets not get all foolish and naive in thinking DPR's actions are the result of any "loyalty first" attitude towards his customers and this community. When you're making tens of millions of dollars per year; it's sort of in your best interest to stick around as admin and make sure the site is operating smoothly and safely so you can continue drawing in those huge profits.
I maintain the only reason DPR has stuck around here through thick and thin is because of the profits, and its naive to fool yourself into thinking otherwise... Again, I know this sounds like I'm hating on DPR and SR, but I am absolutely not. If I were in his shoes; the only thing that would keep me sticking around as admin in today's dangerous public/legal spotlight would be that 25 mil/year salary... This is not to say DPR has no interest in maintaining the functionality and safety/efficacy of the site for users; of course he does. In fact, that's priority number one for him.
I believe DPR created this from a place of utmost sincerity, passion and integrity. Unfortunately I also feel that DPR has let this place slip drastically. It's on it's way out... LE is working the case and has been for about a year and a half or better now. What's taking so long, you ask? Well, its a matter of huge coordination between LE agencies to pull off a bust of the scale of SR. This takes lots of time, lots of evidence building, lots of cooperation between local/state/federal LE agencies, etc. Not to mention, the feds have never seen anything like this. They've busted countless drug dealers, criminal networks, cartels, etc over the past decades, but nothing in their prior experience has prepared them for taking out an organization like SR. Typical LE methods don't work here; they can't bust one of us and coerce us into snitching the rest out (we couldn't talk even if we wanted to; as we know nothing), they can't tap our phones and discern drop locations and associated criminal contacts, and they can't set up a sting purchase by giving an undercover a wad of cash to go in and make a purchase. That is what is taking them so long. I feel like a lot of people here have entirely forgotten the most crucial part of LE in the USA (and most other first world countries); they have resources that the majority of us do not. They are currently hard at work (and have been for almost a couple years now) gathering and compiling data and evidence, slowly unraveling this whole thing, connecting the dots one by one, and watching and waiting intently for DPR to slip up.
The day is coming; and its coming very soon. I hope and pray I remain an overlooked needle in the haystack of the potential millions who are on SR or have used it in the past. However, I find it hard to believe that they won't sweep up a large group of buyers alongside the obvious vendors and site admin... I have a feeling LE is going to make a HUGE deal out of this bust. This is going to be front page news everywhere. The DEA and associated LE agencies are going to play this up as the biggest "cyer-drug bust" in history and I'm sure they will claim they've stopped one of the biggest drug rings in the country, just to prove your tax dollars are being put to good use. The goal of any LE agency is to perpetuate itself; and I'm sure they will use the SR bust as a platform to drum up funding and create new "cyber drug units," whose expertise will be put to use solely toward digital free-markets such as SR.
Now back to DPR.
I personally do not feel like he's doing enough. Then again, I am relatively computer naive when it comes to anonymous networks like Tor and cryptography and the various crypto-currencies. But first off, I feel like not enough has been invested into site security. We've been hacked how many times? The phishing scams, the SR Direct Deposit scam, the DDoS bombs we've been hit with over and over, etc... And those are just a few that we know about. I find myself wondering how many times somebody has gotten into the server and database that we don't know about. I suspect it's quite a few. I just cant seem to believe that we're at the "cutting edge" of anonymity technology and security when we can't go a month without a hack, scam, or DDoS attack... I won't criticize too harshly however, because like I said I know very little about such things, and ultimately what do I know? Perhaps DPR is investing heavily into security/anonymity for all. But something just doesn't seem right...
Getting back to the OP's comment;
The bottom line is that I'm going to go wherever I feel is safest, and act according to my best interest as a customer. Has DPR done a lot for this community? Has he provided a solid moral ground for us to operate under? Has he revolutionized the way we do business and forever changed the face of the game? Of course. But let us not forget; he's done these things because that is what we are paying him to do. This is not some loyalty service he is providing for us, free of charge and out of the goodness of his heart. He's making HUGE sums of money to maintain an online interface in which he makes a commission off every sale arranged here; therefore his motivations are primarily financial in interest... let's be honest if there was no commission being made, DPR woulda fled the scene a long time ago.
So by what logic do we "owe him" our loyalty here?
He provided a service for us, because we paid him to do it. Was fun while it lasted, and I'd love to stick around but don't think for a minute that my loyalty as a consumer is somehow owed to SR. If SR doesn't get it's shit together with these DDoS attacks, if they don't attempt to cap the newbies, and if they don't invest and implement better security/anonymity features; I'll be the first to admit that I'm high-tailing it out of here and moving on over to one of the competitor sites. Love you DPR, you're a beautiful person who has done great things... I will be loyal to an extent, but my "loyalty" is contingent upon you making intelligent decisions, improving the functionality/accessibility/anonymity of the site, and flying beneath LE radar as much as possible. Once those things go out the window; so do I.
1) How is your freedom, security or freedom compromised? Let me break it down for you - your freedom/safety/security was compromised the SECOND you set foot in the world of Silk Road.Before any of this shit went down, when you were happily buying drugs delivered straight to your door and enjoying your little half grams of coke and whatever.. you made your choice. Don't delude yourself. Everyone takes a risk using this site for it's purpose. You aren't special.
You're not "expected" to do anything. You're an adult, and most adults should be grateful to someone/something that they've benefited from. But that's your call.
2) That's awesome he's making tens of millions of dollars a year. No, it's FUCKING awesome. He's doing what you probably wish you could. I know I wish I could. And he's doing it. Good for him. Do you whine that Steve Jobs was making billions of your ipad and macbook pro? He was worshipped as an innovator, as a genius, as a modern day Albert Einstein and nobody had a problem with him making money. Did Jobs or DPR for that matter ever hold a gun to your head and say "PAY ME OR DIE?" No! You used your money to buy a product and you got that product. And in fact the product DPR has is fucking genius. Nobody else did it right the way he did. Why shouldn't he be a millionaire? Should he do it for free? Are you jealous? Do you think maintaining a site/forum like this, being on every fucking law enforcement agencies most wanted list, having people constantly DDOSing your servers, having to deal with scammers and all kinds of shit, interface with the press, and keep this site running so YOUR ungrateful ass can get high doesn't warrant compensation? I'm assuming you earn a living somehow. Do YOU work for free?? I bet you enjoy your income, and if you could you'd do everything possible to increase it. So fuck off with this "DPR is a millionaire therefore he's a greedy self serving evil capitalist manipulating us". I've interacted with the guy through private message several times for something, and let me tell you something.. the guy is a class act. I will never get into details, but I have seen first hand what he is behind the scenes.
3) The fact that LE would love to shut this place down is not a secret. There's nothing new about what you're saying. It almost sounds like you're hopeful they take this place down. In fact, you say say that you hope you're a "needle in a haystack" if that happens. Hahahahah. What a pathetic little bitch you are. So, you want to be able to buy drugs and have all the fun in the world.. yet you want others to "pay for the crime" if that day comes? You remind of the mean spirited obnoxious kid in high school that would run and hide at the first sign of trouble.. and not hesitate to rat someone out to save his own ass. You must not be very well liked IRL. I don't know you and I don't like you on HERE. Your sentiments are absolutely overflowing with disgusting selfishnesses. Everything is about YOU. Well you know what? Fuck your selfish musings. In fact, I hope any vendor reading this post sees your post and refuses to vend to you. IN FACT again, any vendor who vends to him.. everytime this guy places an order, refuse him, and PM me, I'll cover the cost of his order just to spite this selfish fuck.
I mean it.
4)If you feel like he's not doing enough then LEAVE. Why are you still here? If you've read this far that means you're still here, which bothers me. Just leave.
5) So you're in effect, blackmailing DPR to cater to your needs otherwise you will take your business elsewhere? HAHAHA. Dude, I have no way of knowing how much business you give to this place, but it's a "needle in the haystack" (to use your own words) compared what other people SINGLE HANDEDLY happily spend in 1 week. You think you threatening to go to a competing site means anything to anyone? Fuck no it doesn't. You will not be missed, one bit.
This place is awesome, and will continue to be awesome. LE can't touch it, otherwise they would have. Do some research, there was a CP investigation in which the FBI admitted that they TOR has rendered their efforts useless. LE will never be able to "touch" DPR or the Silk Road infrastructure. They WILL be able to get idiots. And this poster seems like very prime idiot real estate. But I wouldnt wish that on him either.
I'm a criminal just like everyone else here, but I don't bite the hand that feeds me. This place will succeed, and has overcome EVERY SINGLE ONE OF ITS CHALLENGES through the years. In fact it's time like these that purge the weak from the strong. Fumanchu.. run along now. Atlantis is taking new members. So is BMR. Better yet, try Topix.
VIVA SILK ROAD.
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How fortunate are we to be involved in such a grand thing? Buyers and vendors rubbing elbows sharing opinions, being able to speak "freely". It does not get any better, and if it were too end right now. I happy to have met the people I have on here and have no regrets or ill will towards anyone or the experience. =) Is that not what it is about? If Jimmy Hendrix were here to asked me "have you ever been experienced", I can truly say...yes sir I have.
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If you aren't going to stick around during the bad times, then don't bother coming back for the good times.
Amen to this, colorblack.
Yes what impeccable logic; because you were able to successfully purchase drugs a few times off here, you are obligated to stick around and get arrested during the "bad times".
Brilliant.
i'v said this so many times its not even funny:)
im with the road for the distance. and i think most people on the SILK ROAD FORUMS are too. or they should be:)
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+1 to the OP!
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i'v said this so many times its not even funny:)
im with the road for the distance. and i think most people on the SILK ROAD FORUMS are too. or they should be:)
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+1 Mcrad.
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+1 for raising moral!
fumanchu, fuck off and go piss somewhere else
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And another thing I forgot to add.
In all seriousness.. I know this is a free-market and the very principles of SR are about people having the choice to do what they want. But let's assume if it were competitors or competitor friendlies behind all this. Aside from my earlier suggestion that we just go to war and hire some technically proficient evil mercenary(ies) to wreack havoc.. the other option is to NOT spend your BTC at competing places. Hit them financially as well. If they think rendering SR useless will bring in more customers.. you render their masterplan useless by not spending BTC on those sites and waiting it out for SR to be rocksolid again.
Think about that people..
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Atl Marketplace is faster than Silk Road ever was to be honest.
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Haters are everywhere so just don't care about them. It's great community and I'm really glad that I can be part of this. I guess that DPR can't do nothing about attack because it's DDoS and what is worst there's no protection from it. There's some protection solutions but it's only available for clearnet websites and main protection is to have stronger servers than attacker but it's not solution for website like this. What's more preparing DDoS cost less than protecting from DDoS. Let just fuck all fuckin SR interrupters.
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(in reference to the post about Atlantis being faster then SR)
Because there's a total of 8 people on that site. 4 feds, 2 customers, 1 disgraced&banned vendor from here, and 1 vendor selling everything from weed to crack.
who only accepts Litecoins.
SR is The Godfather. And Atlantis reminds me of a direct-to-dvd movie starring an overweight Steven Seagal teamed up with Whoopi Goldberg in a buddycop/coming of age dramedy.
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personally for me the show must go on but you better believe the second SR is up my listings on atlantis get pulled down. I want to run all my business with someone i can trust, but as a new vendor i must keep things flowing
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I just spent like 5 minutes on Atlantis, and came back running back to SR. ;D
Silk Road= Ferrari.
BMR= Ford.
Atlantis= Honda Civic.
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What's more preparing DDoS cost less than protecting from DDoS.
Do you have any idea what DPR makes in a year?
There's no excuse other than greed to not invest in preparation and protection at this point... Money aint no fucking issue lol
Why are you obsessed with DPR's income? You realize you sound very, very fucking jealous? Why don't you make a better site, and run it better, and make more money then DPR? What's stopping you? You seem like a very capable person. Go make those millions bro! You can do it!!
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its more or less the same website when you look at it objectively.
why do you guys tolerate BMR so much but anything else its like whoa whoa whoa they're NARCS!
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You all know the old saying:
"Rats are first to leave a sinking ship"
So go ahead rats, run to BMR or atlantis.
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haha free market right?
practice what you preach
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ya know...her's my two bitcoins...seriously..who gives a fuck if the Dread Pirate Roberts makes 10 million per day
(rolls eyes)
we have been given this opportunity to grow with SR and make money or get quality gear..fer fucks sake..
if ya cant make money here then by all means quit slingin (rolls eyes again)
for me..when i make money...i pay my bills and put some back for times like this...for all of you up and coming drug dealers...treat your business like a BUSINESS and you will prolly get a little further...just my two bitcoins about shit that really done mean anythinhg to me. >:D
Peace,
ChemCat
O0
gives Raz a long complicated handshake :P
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Fumanchu does make good points, when you're paying for a service why shouldn't he be able to choose what service he'd like to use? granted i'd never use BMR or Atlantis because they look incredibly shady and non-trustworthy.
I think it's rather narrow minded to call him a "rat" or names simply because he has an opinion. this IS after all a business. i'm A-OK with waiting for SR to be back up though :)
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I am going to go against the idea expressed by the OP and the general spirit of this thread.
No one owns me, my time, or my money. I will purchase anywhere I choose, just like in 'real life'. Usually there is a supermarket that I prefer to use, but if there is a great special price at another, it is highly likely that I would go and shop there.
What is this talk of loyalty? I have made no claims on DPR's time or money, nor has he made any such claims on me. Loyalty is something of a personal nature, not something given to a shopping website.
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I'm definitely with Silk Road and DPR for the long haul. I will not be strong-armed into abandoning ship for the shady rip-offs of the original.
P.S. - To the whiners whining about, "Oh, DPR makes so much money why can't he just, yada yada?" God forbid DPR be compensated for his work... Do you work for free?
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Im with DPR and crew.
Silk Road is more than just a shopping website for me, SR is a tool to circumvent a tyrannical government.
It sure will be a great feeling when the attackers are stopped and the site is back up :D
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+1 OP good post and i am sticking by silkroad and so should everybody else personally im going to see it as a holiday period and get high as a kite on my reserve stash and you can upload images of items here
http:// b3hx7q4zz3xbeoru.onion
and make offerings here and give the image link ON THE FORUM.
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I'm hanging tough with DPR. I have no desire to go anywhere else, but if - after some yet-unmeasured deadline passes - and we're unable to continue, Id cross that bridge when the time comes; meanwhile, altho "SRcarljung@tormail.org" is my tormail, Im not ready to go outside of SR escrow. You could easily be dealing with LE on tormail.
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My two cents..
At this point it's all speculation.
We simply do not know who is behind the sustained attacks.
It could be LE, it could be the competition, it could even be a disgruntled former customer and/or vendor.
There's strong cases for all those candidates but when all is said and done, all we can do is sit tight and wait for the outcome.
Personally, I will show my support for SR by NOT taking my custom elsewhere. I'm not even entertaining the idea for a second.
In my opinion, it's far more likely that the competition are behind this. So, the best thing I can do to is to keep my coins until SR is up and running once more - something I am certain will happen eventually.
Addicts may not have the luxury of being able to remain brand loyal, as it were. I understand that.
But recreational users and/or small time re-sellers, please show your support by not taking coins elsewhere.
That's how I see it anyway.
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SR is time tested and proven safe. As far as I'm concerned everything else is just a fucking honeypot. Long live SR.
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we could be making progress here.
i just got the maintenance screen, which i haven't been able to for awhile.
Long Live SR!
much love_mcrad.
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These are testing times we have been in the last few days. The site and forum have literally been under a full scale assault. And don't for a minute think it's a coincidence or just some bored kids trying to hit SR for fun. No fucking chance of that. Whatever is going on, is a coordinated, planned out attack on this community and all of us. Maybe it's the same forces that were trying to manipulate the price of BTC by hitting the exchanges, hitting SR to shake up confidence& see the effect it would have on BTC value. Maybe it's competitors like BMR/Atlantis. Maybe it's extortionists who are demanding they be paid off and won't attack.
Maybe its LE.
There is a lot of bitching going on about "I can't place my order! What the fuck" or "This fucks up my business, I can't vend. I'm going over to Atlantis" "Man the site is still down, SR has shitty security".
Yeah everyone is affected. Buyers, vendors, forum members, staff, mods, DPR. But that's the price we pay for being apart of this place. Shit hits the fan sometimes, and that's life. Dread Pirate Roberts and his team have been fighting off whatever threats nonstop for days now. A lesser man would have said "ok, fuck this. I didn't sign up for THIS SHIT" and runoff with everyones BTC and there would be no recourse ever. But obviously he's not.
What about the good times? What about the months/years (for some of you) of benefiting in some way from this site/community/idea? We're all here because for some reason Silk Road was a dream come true. And some scum want to take that dream away from us. I for one will NOT abandon.
I will stay here as long as it takes. I will not go over to Atlantis and BMR, becauase, well.. fuck them. I'm not going to be manipulated by outside forces to give up on SR come hell or high water. I'm going to stand with DPR, Silk Road, and this community no matter what. And believe me, when DPR is done, this place is going to be a fortress. That's how much faith I have in the guy.
If you aren't going to stick around during the bad times, then don't bother coming back for the good times.
+1
BG
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Props to the OP! Silk Road won't be beat. And atleast we are going to stay loyal to this place. I am not going to be setting up shop on any competing site. End of story. We will continue operations and serving customers via the forum and WHEN (that aint an if) the site is back up resume operations over there. Fuck the rest!!
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I'm staying with silkroad because I trust in DPR. SilkRoad will be back one way or another I think.
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im staying with the road because DPR is the man!
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It'll be fine, just give it some time.
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i never tot SR could be more stressfull than dealing outside.. :( !
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Staying with SR because I trust it but I hate this "us" and "them" mentality, sounds a bit like Nazi Germany to me. DPR believes in free market competition and people need drugs so who cares where they go to buy them? I'll be supporting some dealer whether it be offline or online now that SR is down. That's the reality and I know most people here will be sourcing drugs from someone else while SR is down because we have to.
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That's the reality and I know most people here will be sourcing drugs from someone else while SR is down because we have to.
Right. That is the funny thing about all this posturing. How long will the meth, heroin, and coke addicts last? Not long, likely. Most are probably in withdrawal, which is why this thread is so offbeat.
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I hate this "us" and "them" mentality, sounds a bit like Nazi Germany to me.
Or W. Bush America.
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Why are you guys being so dramatic? Do you hide in your closet in the fetal position quivering every time the site goes down for a couple of days? DPR will get it back up and literally everyone will forget about it by the next day.
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the site went down back in November 2012 too and the same freakouts happened.
Also, for everyone on DPR's cock, how do you even know who this person really is?
You don't
so all this honeypot bullshit is just as baseless as saying DPR is the same DPR from the start of Silk Road.
Nobody really knows, and by shopping on Atlantis you aren't saying "fuck you" to DPR, you're furthering his alleged goal of a free and fair market.
Unless he's just in it for the money, then he wouldnt want any competition.
and the whole Atlantis Auto-gpg hearsay is a red herring, just dont fucking use it, wow what a big undertaking.
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Also, for everyone on DPR's cock, how do you even know who this person really is?
You don't
so all this honeypot bullshit is just as baseless as saying DPR is the same DPR from the start of Silk Road.
Exactly this. You can have reasonable expectations of what DPR may do in the future but no one should put "faith" or "trust" in DPR or anyone on Silk Road for that matter.
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Aye, as you've said. We truly are between the devil and the deep blue sea. Personally I'll choose what I know, and what I believe in. Which of course is SR, DPR, and this community. I truly believe we have the resolve to weather this storm as we've weathered others and be better for it.
Places like BMR and Atlantis which may be successful in the future have yet to prove themselves. Until they too have seen this kind of trial I would not feel comfortable taking any of my business there. Not to mention that their philosophical beliefs do not line up with mine as much as DPRs.
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I did not find the SR, the SR found me. as with anything I love. I won't just leave it. I have seen you all post on those two other sites. I am happy to say that I have not and will not even bother to check those sites out. I love the SR and the people I have met on here. I will not leave them.
The revolution will not be televised.
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It's been days of up/down, even the forums have been hit on occasion, but morale is high and people have faith in SR/DPR and are sticking it out.
Fuck yes. This is why "we" will win and the piece of shit attacker will lose (already losing as the site is seeing more uptime then downtime).
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Well you dont buy everything from the same store, its the same with drugs. I prefer SR, its the only centralized system I've been able to adhere to. I appreciate the heart that goes into SR. DPR has a purpose other than profit. This isnt true of any other centralized market. With that said, SR would have to go down for quite some time for me to make a temporary string of purchases from any other market. I don't see why anyone would leave, and not come right back as soon as SR was back up.
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I agree with the OP. DPR deserves a huge amount of support, he has the loyalty of Pine and PGP Club always and forever.
The constant attacks have put us into an "us vs them" mentality. This was not a good time for a competitor to show up here. Our natural tendency is to group together and defend our group from the outsiders.
I see that, I made a post on Altantis's forum politely explaining as much, among other things, but the response was far from adequate. It confirms my belief that some of them at least, don't really understand the market, don't really understand InfoSec, don't really understand simple psychology.
DPR does not have a problem with competition, nor do hardly anybody on SR. Schadenfreude on the other hand, I do. It is also intensely ignorant to be claiming SR is less secure than Atlantis on the basis of the server automatically using public keys for encryption. That kind of logic just blows my mind.
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@ Pine :)
Right On!!
(Hugs)
hehe i just love yur posts pine :)
anyhow, i'm gonna go for a walk around town....i've lost alot personally in my life this past month...we'll survive....my heart feels this...oohhhh...before i get teary eyed...i love ya'll in a crazy way....scout...astor...pine...the rest of ya knbow who ya are....ya'll hold a speial place in my heart right now :)
Peace,
ChemCat
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I agree with the OP. DPR deserves a huge amount of support, he has the loyalty of Pine and PGP Club always and forever.
The constant attacks have put us into an "us vs them" mentality. This was not a good time for a competitor to show up here. Our natural tendency is to group together and defend our group from the outsiders.
I see that, I made a post on Altantis's forum politely explaining as much, among other things, but the response was far from inadequate. It confirms my belief that some of them at least, don't really understand the market, don't really understand InfoSec, don't really understand simple psychology.
DPR does not have a problem with competition, nor do hardly anybody on SR. Schadenfreude on the other hand, I do. It is also intensely ignorant to be claiming SR is less secure than Atlantis on the basis of the server automatically using public keys for encryption. That kind of logic just blows my mind.
+1.
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Also, for everyone on DPR's cock, how do you even know who this person really is?
You don't
so all this honeypot bullshit is just as baseless as saying DPR is the same DPR from the start of Silk Road.
Exactly this. You can have reasonable expectations of what DPR may do in the future but no one should put "faith" or "trust" in DPR or anyone on Silk Road for that matter.
this sort of talk causes rummer's that are not true, DPR is the same DPR as at the beginning of the site i have had conversations with him from the start and if he was a new DPR he wouldnt know what im talking about. you should be careful cos rummer's are easy to start and hard to stop. DPR knows that compertion is healthy and can only result in better sites and features, do you think amazon and ebay would be treated like this no i use both, there is a huge market for drugs more than enough business to go around if all play fair. this wont be the last new site we see im sure silkroad has trust on its side, new sites that involve currencies should be used with caution, you are not paying coins in to a secure wallet that only you have access to when adding coins to any site. the site could take off at any point or they will prove themselves over time.
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The early bird gets the worm. Silk Road was the first site of its kind to GET IT RIGHT. There were several places online you could get drugs (IRC Channels, and even BBS's before that).. but there were all kinds of problems. Safety issues, payment protection (escrow), quality control, no feedback etc.
But DPR got it right with Silk Road and hit a fucking home run. Apple wasn't the first company to come out with a portable music player.. (Sony Walkman anyone? Or even those little mp3 portable pieces of shits), but Jobs managed to nail every issue and BOOM.
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mmmm...gonna spout a bitcoin or two here ...who gives a fuck wut DPR makes...geez ya'll ..
ya fuckin make money here....ya call yurselves drug dealers....fuckin make it a business...educate yurselves...
make yur fuckin money..quity worryin about what DPR makes...and handle yur own business..
for us that buy our meds here...we should consider ourselves blessed....i buy meds and buy to make a living...
if ya'll that are bitchin cant get yur shit together..then find another way to make a living... :)
seriously....down times can be expected...i've owned 3 chat servers...been linked with some awesome places such as dalnet and lockergnome.....pick yurselves up by the bootstraps and quit bitchin....takes time to reconfigure through paddy on servers...consider yourselves blessed to be able to be a part of this revolution in works :)
fuck it i'm out for now....
Peace,
ChemCat
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mmmm...gonna spout a bitcoin or two here ...who gives a fuck wut DPR makes...geez ya'll ..
ya fuckin make money here....ya call yurselves drug dealers....fuckin make it a business...educate yurselves...
make yur fuckin money..quity worryin about what DPR makes...and handle yur own business..
for us that buy our meds here...we should consider ourselves blessed....i buy meds and buy to make a living...
if ya'll that are bitchin cant get yur shit together..then find another way to make a living... :)
seriously....down times can be expected...i've owned 3 chat servers...been linked with some awesome places such as dalnet and lockergnome.....pick yurselves up by the bootstraps and quit bitchin....takes time to reconfigure through paddy on servers...consider yourselves blessed to be able to be a part of this revolution in works :)
fuck it i'm out for now....
Peace,
ChemCat
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preach! :)
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@ Pine :)
Right On!!
(Hugs)
hehe i just love yur posts pine :)
anyhow, i'm gonna go for a walk around town....i've lost alot personally in my life this past month...we'll survive....my heart feels this...oohhhh...before i get teary eyed...i love ya'll in a crazy way....scout...astor...pine...the rest of ya knbow who ya are....ya'll hold a speial place in my heart right now :)
Peace,
ChemCat
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Cats are pine's second favorite animal :)
I'm sure scout and astor love cats as well.
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I will stand by SilkRoad until the day the captain abandons the ship. SR has provided me with so much love and insight that I can't even put it into words. I've been scammed once, but that was to a large extent my own fault. I have been called into interrogation at the customs for seized MDMA once. Got out from that without any trouble, much thanks to the help I got from this community in how to handle an interrogation. Denial, denial, denial. Other than that I've had 10+ perfect transactions and spent $4400. I've got bulk orders of MDMA, LSD and 2c-b so cheap that I could sell of 1/3 of it and still make a small profit. Nowhere else would I have ever been able to do that. SR has simply added so much value to my life and for that I am forever thankful and loyal.
Finally, I've filled out my "backup Bitcoin address" in my account settings. If SR would go down for a long period or for good, I have full trust in DPR sending me my BTC. He is a business man and he knows the value of trust.
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i will stans with SR till the very end. if and when SR goes down for good is the day i buy my last illegal drug. DPR has shown his loyalty towards us and i for one will show mine towards him and never and i mean NEVER buy off of those other shitty copycat sites. i for one will also boycott any vendors who i hear signed up over at atlantis.
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The ability to procure the best hallucinogens in the world, thanks to DPR and SR, has had a profoundly positive effect on my life. I am happier than I've ever been , all my relationships are flourishing, and I have made huge strides towards self actualization, if that even exists.
The reasons stated above, as well as DPR and his staffs apparent unyielding devotion to keeping this dream alive, has made me steadfast in my loyalty to the "Road". SR has yet to turn it's back on me, the least I could do was return the favor.
Long live SR!
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good old winston
**We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender** long live Sr ;)
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Anyone actually browsed BMR and Atlantis?
There is virtually no feedback. Most vendors require FE and there is an absolute dearth of UK vendors.
For my drug of choice, #3 Heroin, I have the option of Finalizing Early or waiting for a delivery from the USA or Canada to perhaps make it past customs. I don't think so.
In my mind there is no competition.
I am lucky as I have a methadone Rx but if I was an American hanging out for some gear I would certainly hit up the other markets but at the end of the day SR is still a cut above, despite having less features than, say, BMR.
The SR downtime is a killer with a monkey on your back but at the end of the day that is the customers problem not that of SR or the vendor.
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I couldn't agree with Chem more.
Does BMR or Atlantis offer the ability of a hedged transaction? No.
Does SR have to offer hedged transactions? No.
The fact that DPR and SR are fighting tooth and nail is loyalty. He/they have enough money already to do anything on earth besides fighting an attack, as we all know.
This is called a rainy day, some people prepare properly and others drown in a tiny puddle such as this one.
-XXX
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everyone knows SR is king, and dpr always prevails:)
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I feel bad for all of those who don't fully trust DPR. He is the fucking messiah in my books.
Chaos
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my loyalty and commitment are to DPR and SR. period. I owe both too many happy times and good feelings and a happier life. in the immortal words of stan lee ."nuff said"
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Genuine revolutionary acts - acts which transform the status quo, acts which replace pyramid hierarchies with horizontal structures - acts which openly and successfully challenge the hegemonic powers - acts which reveal the hypocrisy in bourgeois (think 'moral majority') morality - are very rare indeed.
Some people here are naturally content with just buying drugs in a safe and peer reviewed environment. For other it is drugs 'plus' - and the plus encompasses all the points above. This experiment in - what? - 'cyber mutualism' - has been a success. I have learned to qualify my distrust of others and have seen how mutual interest can work to produce a valid and profitable service - further - in the drug trade of all things.
The drug trade is notorious for violence and deceit. Yet here the drugs - though sometimes priced at a premium - are reviewed by other users and their quality is usually as expected. No danger to the vendor or the buyer is encountered in the usual sense. It actually minimises harm - many studies indicate that users who remain separate from the 'scene' are far less likely to develop problem usage patterns - and also SR reduces the transaction to one between supplier and demander. In doing so it lays bare much of the redundant drug war rhetoric in support of selective prohibition, as no one but the vendor and buyer are involved. That is, no room for shrill 'schoolyard' propaganda, no visible 'drug problem', reduced harm potential due to testing and review of drugs, a reliable source replete with alternatives should one depend on supply, a means of maintaining drug use without impact on one's private life.
I am firmly with DPR for these reasons, as well as the fact that I enjoy being able to buy my drugs without that having any effect on my wider lifestyle. In that narrow sense the efforts of DPR have empowered me, as much more of my time is free and I have no public contact with drug vendors. I am fully aware of the alarming nature of the example he has set in the eyes of state agencies everywhere, and I applaud his vision and fortitude in managing to maintain this gadfly site of his.
TL:DR DPR is a ledge. #YOLO Where do I buy DPR T-shirt? :----D :D :D :D
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I have no loyalty to anyone. I go wherever the nicest community is and for now thats on the SR forums :) If that for some reason changes I will not choose to stay just because of some sentimental reason. That being said, when I look in my crystal ball I dont see any other community as meaningful as the one SR spring up on the darknet.
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I will stand by SR all the way, love this place its fantastic.
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for the record again, I have received an item off Atlantis and it was the same exact process as on Silk Road.
I still hold SR a notch higher than Atlantis as far as comfortability but the lack of litecoin support gives the edge to Atlantis for now.
if Silk Road adopts litecoins there is no reason to use Atlantis
make it happen DPR
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