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Discussion => Silk Road discussion => Topic started by: Nolva2012 on September 01, 2012, 11:25 pm

Title: Why is Silk Road down on way to many occasions when I try to access it?
Post by: Nolva2012 on September 01, 2012, 11:25 pm
I love the Silk Road but too many times when I try to access it it seems to be down.
Something needs to be done as its going to put people off.

We need to hear an explanation from SR why this is.
It is frustrating me so bad. If things keep going like this I will use SR a lot less.
Title: Re: Why is Silk Road down on way to many occasions when I try to access it?
Post by: Selfmade02 on September 02, 2012, 01:36 am
Yea I can relate because yesterday I just placed my very first order and now I cant even check to see if the stuff was shipped or not.
Title: Re: Why is Silk Road down on way to many occasions when I try to access it?
Post by: jameslink2 on September 02, 2012, 01:43 am
Many times this has more to do with the TOR network than it does with SR. I have watched the tor traffic via the logs on the client and seen a lot of stuff recently.

The best way to check is to hit 6 different tor sites. If the only one that does not load is SR then it is an SR issue. If several of them fail to load then it is more than likely a TOR issue. You can also try hitting the "Use a New Identity" button. It will change the route your traffic takes and many times fixes the problem.
Title: Re: Why is Silk Road down on way to many occasions when I try to access it?
Post by: grahamgreene on September 02, 2012, 03:13 am

I love the Silk Road but too many times when I try to access it it seems to be down.
Something needs to be done as its going to put people off.

Hi Nolva2012,

You can use the following site to check if Silk Road is up or not:
http://zw3crggtadila2sg.onion/downornot/index.php?url=silkroadvb5piz3r.onion

The status "Yes (but with 302 error)" means that the site is up.

If it is up, and you still can't access it, then hit "Use a New Identity" in the Vidalia Control Panel however many times it takes you to successfully access Silk Road.

- grahamgreene
Title: Re: Why is Silk Road down on way to many occasions when I try to access it?
Post by: wasta on September 02, 2012, 07:35 pm
Still no explanation, why?

Why is the forum just to be reached by just 30 people.
Why just SR, if other site's are accessable.

Why is SR hard to reach?
Title: Re: Why is Silk Road down on way to many occasions when I try to access it?
Post by: Nolva2012 on September 04, 2012, 06:34 pm
Still no explanation, why?

Why is the forum just to be reached by just 30 people.
Why just SR, if other site's are accessable.

Why is SR hard to reach?

Agreed, where is the explanation from SR

I don't think it is to do with Tor as much as its to do with SR it self. Other sites work fine with Tor.
Why is it that I have to make several attempts at times to get through to SR...
There is no excuse for who ever is running this site. If there was an alternative to SR a lot of people would have left already.
It is a joke, when SR makes commission how can it be so unstable?
There are times when I want to buy something but I feel conditioned to not even bother because it might take several attempts and time to even get access to SR
People need to demand answers about this.
Title: Re: Why is Silk Road down on way to many occasions when I try to access it?
Post by: WinstonWolfe on September 04, 2012, 07:50 pm
According to the site mentioned above, SR is down...
Title: Re: Why is Silk Road down on way to many occasions when I try to access it?
Post by: fuckingACE on September 04, 2012, 08:19 pm
Not sure why.. But thereĀ“s clues, If you turn up the log level on the TOR browser to include iforational events you see something like this:

sep 04 21:51:38.542 [Notice] Tried for 120 seconds to get a connection to [scrubbed]:80. Giving up. (waiting for circuit)
sep 04 21:51:38.544 [Notice] Tried for 120 seconds to get a connection to [scrubbed]:80. Giving up. (waiting for circuit)
sep 04 21:52:00.708 [Warning] Query '[scrubbed]' didn't have valid rend desc in cache. Failing.
sep 04 21:52:00.709 [Warning] Query '[scrubbed]' didn't have valid rend desc in cache. Failing.
sep 04 21:54:51.617 [Warning] Invalid onion hostname [scrubbed]; rejecting
sep 04 21:56:31.976 [Warning] Invalid onion hostname [scrubbed]; rejecting
sep 04 21:56:58.855 [Warning] Invalid onion hostname [scrubbed]; rejecting
sep 04 21:58:31.543 [Notice] Rend stream is 120 seconds late. Giving up on address '[scrubbed].onion'.
sep 04 21:58:32.540 [Notice] Rend stream is 120 seconds late. Giving up on address '[scrubbed].onion'.

It seems that the address is not being resolved.. So either a DDOS on the DNS servers TOR uses or something along those lines.. Its such a shame yuo cant just put an IP address in lol, But i guess that defeats the purpouse of TOR.

ACE
Title: Re: Why is Silk Road down on way to many occasions when I try to access it?
Post by: turqiun on September 04, 2012, 08:43 pm
I want my SR back up!!!!!
Title: Re: Why is Silk Road down on way to many occasions when I try to access it?
Post by: lil8368 on September 04, 2012, 10:29 pm
Whenever I can't access SR but every other onion, I get a "new identity" and it almost always loads then...
Title: Re: Why is Silk Road down on way to many occasions when I try to access it?
Post by: lefthandspinner on September 04, 2012, 11:08 pm
its only really started happening recently maybe since the change of site hasnt it but anyway its probably a lot harder to keep up than amazon and is probably being attacked all the time by hackers/LE

i dont know anything about running sites but it must be harder to keep running 100% than legal sites

newbies whinging after theyve bought once is a bit of a joke though its not amazon or your favourate social  network bulll shit u should be glad youre here your welcome to go to topix or black market im sure u will appreciate this place more when u try score on the others

they will be busy trying to fix it than telling everyone on the forum whats up every hour ,there not going to say if hackers are fuking it up or whatever so what u want them to say

considering how little down time theres been in the year whatever u should be saying what a great job theyve done not bitching when down for an hour or 2 even though it will be stressful for everyone including the sites guys running it

imagine the stress for vendors with 100s orders in escrow that would be stresfull the place could vanish at any time never mind wanting to check the status of your buy
Title: Re: Why is Silk Road down on way to many occasions when I try to access it?
Post by: ZenAndTheArt on September 04, 2012, 11:16 pm

I love the Silk Road but too many times when I try to access it it seems to be down.
Something needs to be done as its going to put people off.

Hi Nolva2012,

You can use the following site to check if Silk Road is up or not:
http://zw3crggtadila2sg.onion/downornot/index.php?url=silkroadvb5piz3r.onion

The status "Yes (but with 302 error)" means that the site is up.

If it is up, and you still can't access it, then hit "Use a New Identity" in the Vidalia Control Panel however many times it takes you to successfully access Silk Road.

- grahamgreene

Bookmarked! +1 for that Graham, you one helpful dude. :)

It's starting to bug me now. All tonight I've had problems accessing the main site and this forum. I've been changing identities and trying over and over again. Thanks to all these problems I finalized about four hours later than I'd have liked and I could have missed a special offer that finishes tonight! It's all good now. 8)

Are these problems anything to do with the increase in users of SR?
Title: Re: Why is Silk Road down on way to many occasions when I try to access it?
Post by: grahamgreene on September 05, 2012, 12:16 am
Bookmarked! +1 for that Graham, you one helpful dude. :)

I'm afraid I can't take the credit for that one, I poached it from somebody else.  :P You can use it to check the status of any .onion site though, so it's definitely handy!  :)

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It's starting to bug me now. All tonight I've had problems accessing the main site and this forum. I've been changing identities and trying over and over again. Thanks to all these problems I finalized about four hours later than I'd have liked and I could have missed a special offer that finishes tonight! It's all good now. 8)

Glad you managed to get on and get your stuff sorted special offer-wise etc., I know how frustrating it can be not being able to log on when you really, really need to!

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Are these problems anything to do with the increase in users of SR?

Yes I'd imagine that the increased server load has a lot to do with the connection timing out; there are simply too many users trying to access the site at the one time. The reasoning behind that is the high frequency of the time outs after recent media exposure compared to the low frequency beforehand. I'd think that DPR will make any necessary changes to this sometime in the near future - he / she usually gets any issues ironed out relatively quickly.  :)

- grahamgreene
Title: Re: Why is Silk Road down on way to many occasions when I try to access it?
Post by: RxKing on September 05, 2012, 05:33 am
It has gotten to the point for me that I can't just hit the "use new identity" button. I used to always dp that if I had been idle more then 10 minutes. But for a couple weeks now I have gone as long as 4 hours and can not log in.

Now I just shut down and restart Tor. It has worked every time until today where I tried for 4 hours to get online.

I know it sucks but a small price to pay for this site.
Title: Re: Why is Silk Road down on way to many occasions when I try to access it?
Post by: JIM MORRISON on September 05, 2012, 10:20 am
Guys Windows XP seems largely unaffected.

You can get it for nothing and learn to "dual-boot" by simply following a twenty min Tutorial on Youtube!

It's what your giant HDD was made for!  8)

The longest I've spent trying to access the site via XP since Friday was 5-10 min - and that's from the UK! I use SR and SR concurrently and process orders, answer messages etc with just the occasional time out.

I haven't been able to log on with Vista for days...  :'(
Title: Re: Why is Silk Road down on way to many occasions when I try to access it?
Post by: bill417 on September 05, 2012, 07:50 pm
UK user, Silk Road took 4 new identities and at least 5 refreshes on each identity.

Only just worked. All other TOR/ NON-TOR sites seem to be working APU (as per usual).
Title: Re: Why is Silk Road down on way to many occasions when I try to access it?
Post by: Kopitewarrior on September 05, 2012, 10:10 pm
I wish someone would just tell us what is going on
Title: Re: Why is Silk Road down on way to many occasions when I try to access it?
Post by: xx138xx on September 05, 2012, 10:29 pm
I can't speak for what happens all the time, but generally Tor network issues are caused by two groups of dumbasses
1) assholes who think it's a smart idea to try and download their torrents thru tor
2) other assholes trying to do shit like portscans and exploit scanning thru the tor network.

Both of these activities slam the relays with a metric shit-ton of connections by their very nature. All those connections then get multiplied as they get passed from node to node and propagate across the network looking for a circuit. This is why you often have to try several identities to get a circuit that works.
Title: Re: Why is Silk Road down on way to many occasions when I try to access it?
Post by: Wazup7 on September 05, 2012, 11:42 pm
As has been said, Silk Road is *rarely* down when you try to access it.  It may be temporarilyinaccessible, but as far as I know, the actual web server has only been down a couple of times in the past year and a half.

To reiterate, the issue is a Tor issue, not a Silk Road issue.  When you type an address into the browser, it sends a request through the Tor network to retreive the web page from the web server.  If your browser doesn't receive a response from the web server within a reasonable amount of time, then you get the time out message.  Now in the clearnet, when you type an address, your request essentially goes *directly* to the web server of the site, and so the "timeout period" is exclusively spent waiting for that web server to respond.  In Tor, however, your request must be routed through the Tor circuit, which contains nodes, some fast, some slow.  Since this routing is done randomly, it is easy to understand how a request for the Silk Road homepage might not encrypt, make it through the circuit, to the web server, and back to your browser within the timeout period. 

This has been mentioned above, but typically, getting a New Identity in Tor will help to resolve the timeouts.  But getting a New Identity only gives you a new circuit path through the Tor network.  The reason that this resolves the issue is that if your current identity is working through a "slow" circuit, then you are statistically more likely to get a faster circuit by getting a new identity.  (Likewise, if you are on a fast circuit, a new identity will likely yield a slower one). 

My point is to be patient!  Silk Road is a novel idea that is being executed on a scale never done before, so there are quirks to be worked out, or at least identified as the cost of being part of this community. If a new identity still doesn't let you connect, try another new identity.  Try a few.  If it still doesn't connect, wait 15 minutes, and try again with a few new identities.  Use the link posted on the first page to verify that the site is up, but as long as it's up, you *will* be able to connect with the correct Tor identity.  Just be patient, and be grateful that SR even exists.
Title: Re: Why is Silk Road down on way to many occasions when I try to access it?
Post by: parabol on September 05, 2012, 11:54 pm
Hello, I also think is the onion network.  I'm not gonna get into details into how I discovered this info, but I find that SR, and Onion sites for that matter, never fail at around  23:30 UTC time. This may only work for my location, so may not be useful for you people, but it also may help :)
Title: Re: Why is Silk Road down on way to many occasions when I try to access it?
Post by: Nolva2012 on September 06, 2012, 02:29 pm
its only really started happening recently maybe since the change of site hasnt it but anyway its probably a lot harder to keep up than amazon and is probably being attacked all the time by hackers/LE

i dont know anything about running sites but it must be harder to keep running 100% than legal sites

newbies whinging after theyve bought once is a bit of a joke though its not amazon or your favourate social  network bulll shit u should be glad youre here your welcome to go to topix or black market im sure u will appreciate this place more when u try score on the others

they will be busy trying to fix it than telling everyone on the forum whats up every hour ,there not going to say if hackers are fuking it up or whatever so what u want them to say

considering how little down time theres been in the year whatever u should be saying what a great job theyve done not bitching when down for an hour or 2 even though it will be stressful for everyone including the sites guys running it

imagine the stress for vendors with 100s orders in escrow that would be stresfull the place could vanish at any time never mind wanting to check the status of your buy

I understand SR is a great place and that its  not easy to maintain it but lately it has been down a lot to the point where its a great hassle at times But there is nothing wrong with demanding answers. There is no reason to flame at me or anyone who has anyone who has a suggestion or asks for answers. You are a perfect example of what is wrong with some people, it reminds me of tony76 when during the scam how some people demanded answers from tony and how others attacked them for it. Take your bad attitude elsewhere.
Title: Re: Why is Silk Road down on way to many occasions when I try to access it?
Post by: RR on September 06, 2012, 02:38 pm
i think this has more to do with tor than SR, admin knows there is an issue and are working on a fix, i would expect DPR to post about this very soon, just hold on people it will get better, there are a number of threads running on this issue right now, there is light at the end of the tunnel and we will see it soon.
Title: Re: Why is Silk Road down on way to many occasions when I try to access it?
Post by: gaia on September 06, 2012, 09:57 pm
For me it seems to be getting progressively worse. This week, both SR and these forums are so difficult, I am not here as much as I would like. I enjoy reading and contributing here, but I can't to the same extent anymore. All other uses of TOR remain perfectly fine. It's just SR + forum.

My 'Use New Identity' button is almost worn out ;) It mostly works after 3-4 attempts.....but not always.
Title: Re: Why is Silk Road down on way to many occasions when I try to access it?
Post by: uspilotzzz on September 06, 2012, 10:18 pm
An interesting observation-

I am new to the onion network and SR.  From my home network using a wireless router I have the same issues as the rest of you.  It can something take 10min to get connected to anything including SR or tormail etc.

However, I was away from home for work this week and while on the hotels wireless network Tor worked almost flawlessly all week.  Anyone have any clue as to why this would be the case?
Title: Re: Why is Silk Road down on way to many occasions when I try to access it?
Post by: Shroomeister on September 07, 2012, 12:02 am
i think this has more to do with tor than SR, admin knows there is an issue and are working on a fix, i would expect DPR to post about this very soon, just hold on people it will get better, there are a number of threads running on this issue right now, there is light at the end of the tunnel and we will see it soon.

I truly hope you are correct RR!