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tell me what ya think
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Looks nice. What kind of strain is this?
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tell me what ya think
Nice KODAK LS743 you've got.
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Looks nice. What kind of strain is this?
they are pultopetes seeds, devon autos he said its a mix between hundi kush and something else, il get him to drop a line in here to clarify.
tell me what ya think
Nice KODAK LS743 you've got.
its not mine i borrowed it now i gotta get weed pics off lol, how did you know that?
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I thought it was Northern Lights #5 not Hindu Kush ? actually i can't remember lol.
anyway its also crossed with Lowryder 2# i think =)
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that was it i think low rider and Hindu Kush
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My babiiiiiiiies :)
Yip, the original mum was a Lowryder2 and she did the dirty with an Afghani immigrant that had settled in Devon :)
She's looking well and healthy, good green colour to the leaves, she's gonna get fat :)
Shameless promotion if anyone else wants to have a go, easiest weed in the world to grow :)
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they are extremely easy yo grow i started these in april and now 7wks on they are booming, and the one time i had a problem i messaged pete and he got back to me ''with a magic fix for letting them dry out to much'' he messaged back within the hour, super service cos you get auto seeds and a help line if ya need it, i will be back for more very soon, i need to get some seedlings going..... ive got my own personal production line ya just wait two weeks and plant 2 more, endless supply ;D
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My babiiiiiiiies :)
Yip, the original mum was a Lowryder2 and she did the dirty with an Afghani immigrant that had settled in Devon :)
She's looking well and healthy, good green colour to the leaves, she's gonna get fat :)
Shameless promotion if anyone else wants to have a go, easiest weed in the world to grow :)
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/item/06de05d193
thats not a shameless production cos you can see proof they work lol
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Nice grow, looks good. This going to be available in the future? I always hear about lowryder on all the grow forums since it bushes out nicely, but I have yet to ever smoke any that I know of.
tell me what ya think
Nice KODAK LS743 you've got.
its not mine i borrowed it now i gotta get weed pics off lol, how did you know that?
Can open up a photo in photoshop, go to file info and it will give you the metadata and other information, one of which is camera information on the camera used, shutter speed, flash, everything.
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Nice grow, looks good. This going to be available in the future? I always hear about lowryder on all the grow forums since it bushes out nicely, but I have yet to ever smoke any that I know of.
Yip, my babies are a permanent fixture on Silk Road, I'm still doubling all orders since the 420 sale too :)
The original Lowrider was pretty useless to smoke, but it introduced the autoflowering trait to the world. Lowryder2 was much stronger but it got tainted by the bad rep of the original. My Devon Maid gets a lot of it's flavour from the Hindu Kush, it really is a delicious smoke.
Autoflowers often get badmouthed by people that tried the Lowrider or read about it, not realizing the advances made since then, in a blind test you wouldn't be able to tell my bud from any good Indica :)
Autoflowers are the future, as more and more people realize the advantages, and more and more good crosses appear, they'll take over :)
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PlutoPetes seeds are the business ! ive had all 13 of mine germinate with no problems at all, just straight into pre-wetted compo mix, no soaking or cracking, and every one has popped up no later than 5 days later, most within 3 days !
thats the best rate ive ever had out of a pack of seeds !
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Can you run these Auto's under 24hrs light to keep them vegging?
I am curious as to why you would get a auto flowering strain if your growing indoors and have full control over your light cycle?
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Can you run these Auto's under 24hrs light to keep them vegging?
I am curious as to why you would get a auto flowering strain if your growing indoors and have full control over your light cycle?
My strain is bred to be grown under 24hr cfl lights in 2L pots, the cost per ounce to grow is a fraction of normal grows, and it's awesome bud :)
~Using my method you can be self sufficient using a small cupboard and £5 a week electric, I'm curious why anyone would grow any other way :)
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Defensively not for me then, sorry... CFL's are not made to grow good weed..... Once my latest crop is dry ill show you good bud :P
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they can be grown under MH or HPS bulbs to, id be interested to see how they do, my big one is only 7wks old and flowering like mad, more light = more growth
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but the ruderalis gene's in that cross will really hinder the potency.... I would not grow a auto flower under lights..... their meant for outdoors...no reason for auto flowering if you can control the light cycle....
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Defensively not for me then, sorry... CFL's are not made to grow good weed..... Once my latest crop is dry ill show you good bud :P
Each to their own :)
I've tried every kind of growing, from large outdoor to high power lighting to tiny cupboards, so I know what works.
I've been self sufficient for 5 years for next to no cost :)
cfl's are no good for plants bigger than a couple of foot, but they are highly efficient on small plants.
All that heat you produce with your lights is just money down the drain :)
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CFL's have to be very very close to the plant to have any affect.. Unless their 100+ watt CFL's made for growing...
Regular 13watt bulbs do nothing... you might as well get a 400 watt HPS and triple your yield and quality....
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CFL's have to be very very close to the plant to have any affect.. Unless their 100+ watt CFL's made for growing...
Regular 13watt bulbs do nothing... you might as well get a 400 watt HPS and triple your yield and quality....
Yip, 125w cfl's are the most efficient for small scale auto grows, and never turning them off avoids thermal shock vastly extending their lifespan :)
could you imagine a 400w hps lasting 5 years continuous use?
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i got a 300w and i cant complain it costs 66p a day on a prepay meter and thats 18hrs a day and as you can see they doing well, it would cost 1.12 a day for a 600w hps thats quite a difference but if i had the space i would go for a hps no doubt, biggest problem i got is the smell them buds are stinky, and they are going to get worse yet, might end up in the loft, nighhtmare......
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Pot plants are not meant to be grown under 24hrs of light.. I bet the % of hermies is very high with those seeds. I bet if you switched the light cycle to 12/12 you would end up with Banana's everywhere..
I did a grow side by side... 600 watt HPS vs 140watt Agro Something CFL...
Same cutting.. Same strain same nutrients.... Advanced Nutrients Connoisseur 2 part plus some organic goodies...
The CFL plant came out tiny... Fluffy buds that tasted like fertilizer.... The light did not create enough heat for the plant to uptake nutrients properly.
Hps Plant.... Was top notch bud... Rock solid nuggets covered in trichomes... i would say it yielded a good 400% more then the CFL plant of Grade A+ bud..
This was a test to see If I could grow comparable bud in a small space for personal smoke.... Well the answer is no... It grows suck dope..
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Pot plants are not meant to be grown under 24hrs of light.. I bet the % of hermies is very high with those seeds. I bet if you switched the light cycle to 12/12 you would end up with Banana's everywhere..
I did a grow side by side... 600 watt HPS vs 140watt Agro Something CFL...
Same cutting.. Same strain same nutrients.... Advanced Nutrients Connoisseur 2 part plus some organic goodies...
The CFL plant came out tiny... Fluffy buds that tasted like fertilizer.... The light did not create enough heat for the plant to uptake nutrients properly.
Hps Plant.... Was top notch bud... Rock solid nuggets covered in trichomes... i would say it yielded a good 400% more then the CFL plant of Grade A+ bud..
This was a test to see If I could grow comparable bud in a small space for personal smoke.... Well the answer is no... It grows suck dope..
is that why mine doing so well cos i got them in a small 3ft(w)x3ft(h)x1ft(d) box they only got a twp small pc fans i put together with an old phone charger, they keep the air moving but it gets mega hot. small space and 300w bulb = heat and smell, think its about 32deg in there but they just go though water quicker.
and you say autos are bred for outside,i got 6 seedlings outside planted 2wks after the first 3, now flowering ones and they are only 2inches high, i can see the banana effect, the big one has a central bud forming and has 5 or 6 other stems shooting out with interdependent buds forming down them, like arms and there are new stems shooting out everywhere,
i got the duel spectrum so as you can see in one of my pics half the filaments are veggie (blue) and the other half is the magical side (red) so you just turn it 180deg in its E40 fitting when the time is right, i only turned mine around a week ago and the plants only had very few hairs at there intersections now look at them and even bigger
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@ 32'C you should be watering daily..... Give them water/nutrients/water/water/nutrients in a cycle like that...
By banana's the plants producing male flowers instead of only female flowers.... Male flowers will pollenate your females flowers and create seeds
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yeah i been watering once a day the biggest one gets about 1/2L a day and nutrients every 3days, just had another look at them and the buds are stacking up nicely on top of each other, like building blocks, and i aint had any males yet out off the 11 seeds that sprouted outta 18 i brought all have been females so far just 6 are to young to tell yet but fingers crossed, and there aint no way on earth a male will ever make it in to my grow space, id destroy it before it ever got started, i like bud and it really pisses me off when i find seeds in my bud cos if you grow properly and dont rush you can prevent it from happening easy. plus your giving away free seeds...... i always try to germinate seeds i find very rare that they are alive prob cos they been dried right out.
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Pot plants are not meant to be grown under 24hrs of light.. I bet the % of hermies is very high with those seeds. I bet if you switched the light cycle to 12/12 you would end up with Banana's everywhere..
I did a grow side by side... 600 watt HPS vs 140watt Agro Something CFL...
Same cutting.. Same strain same nutrients.... Advanced Nutrients Connoisseur 2 part plus some organic goodies...
The CFL plant came out tiny... Fluffy buds that tasted like fertilizer.... The light did not create enough heat for the plant to uptake nutrients properly.
Hps Plant.... Was top notch bud... Rock solid nuggets covered in trichomes... i would say it yielded a good 400% more then the CFL plant of Grade A+ bud..
This was a test to see If I could grow comparable bud in a small space for personal smoke.... Well the answer is no... It grows suck dope..
I've never had a hermaphrodite plant with my strain, unlike most regular strains mine is stabilized so you will not get any sex reversal or male flowers on female plants.
" The light did not create enough heat for the plant to uptake nutrients properly. " - Sounds more like nute lock mate, heat is not required for nutrient uptake.
Plants don't require a lot of heat to grow, the heat from your big lights is WASTE, that;s why people need extractors etc, to get rid of the heat that their innefficient lighting setup causes :)
Your reaction is typical of many growers that cannot see past their own experiences and put blinkers on when anything else pops up. Your regular plants might not do well under cfl's, but mine do, you might get hermies, I don't.
I'm not claiming that my buds are the best or anything, I'm claiming they do well under 24hr cfl lights.
Cfl lights have low penetration, so they aren't a lot of good for large plants but ideal for mine.
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i will put a couple of updated pics on later today, they are really going for it now, and in my short experience they seem to do there growing when the lights are off, maybe a dark period is good for them, now my biggest problem is smell i need HELP, lights been on for a couple of hours and my room smells like ive smoked 10 biftas in it, been looking at carbon filter extractor kits but they are mega expensive, dont know what to do about it as we got house guests next week so they may have to go in the loft witch i dont want to do if i can help it cos of all the dust ext up there plus it will heat loft space and it only takes one chopper to pass over and see the heat sig from my roof and i will get raided........ HELP im going tesco to look for citrus magic but another ideas ???
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Defiantly gonna give this strain a go, after my UK cheese plant are done. Do you know the gram per watt ratio or will it be one of those never ending sativas?
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Heat helps with the uptake of water and nutrients..
If your grow is under 20'C it takes the plant a long time to uptake the nutrients.... The slower the uptake the slower the growth.....
When you see people with large scale grows with Co2 enrichment their temps are higher than the average grow.... Creating that boost in energy so the plants grow faster and create more yield...
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There's a lot of misinformation and gaps in knowledge in this thread, but i'm too baked to add anything too constructive right now, so I will try to get round a proper reply at some point.
For now, my reply is specifically directed at RR. Get a proper fan/filter dude! They may seem expensive, but that is your freedom you are gambling with there. Plus, with 32 degree temps, you NEED more airflow, so it makes sense to get a proper fan.
Forget copper choppers, that's largely propaganda. Unless you are running multiple KWs, you are fine.
I'll add more later.
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There's a lot of misinformation and gaps in knowledge in this thread, but i'm too baked to add anything too constructive right now, so I will try to get round a proper reply at some point.
For now, my reply is specifically directed at RR. Get a proper fan/filter dude! They may seem expensive, but that is your freedom you are gambling with there. Plus, with 32 degree temps, you NEED more airflow, so it makes sense to get a proper fan.
Forget copper choppers, that's largely propaganda. Unless you are running multiple KWs, you are fine.
I'll add more later.
well when you put it that way it makes sense to buy one, might get myself the tent as well and put a big board down in the loft and set it all up out of the way, yeah fuck it im going to order it in a bit,
and i was just worried about choppers cos i think i live under the helicopter high way or something, id never noticed (until i started growing) just how many choppers pass over my house a day, maybe im just para fuck knows but ya right i need more airflow and a filter, whats the ideal temp for cannabis plants?
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I find that 25 is the real sweet spot, but anything from 20-28 is good. Lights off temp no lower than 18-ish.
If you are para about growing in your loft, insulation boards (kingspan etc) will help, but in all honesty, the heat sig thing is largely propaganda anyway. On the rare occasions where people have been caught this way, it's because they had multiple bare bulbs on the ridge of the loft, or something similar. FLIR can only see surface temps, it can't actually see through anything. Half of the time, "detected by chopper" actually means "grassed up by someone" anyway. It's just one of their tricks to spread fear, because otherwise, growing is quite hard to detect.
But yeah, insulation will help, if you are nervous. ;D
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I like 27'C lights on... 22'C lights off...... If your day and night temps are very far apart.. you will get plenty of unnecessary stretching..
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Yep, 5 degrees or less difference between day/night temps seems to be the ideal, although since I've been growing SCROG style, i've been happy for whatever stretch I can get lol.
I agree with most of the points you have made in this thread, and it's obvious you've done your homework. From a production point of view, I agree with your advice all around. However, I suspect that some of these guys are coming from a "cheap personal grow" perspective, and from that perspective, i think that cfls are a viable starting point, if used properly.
Personally, I think that large cfls are shit, and an array of 20w household cfls will do just the same job, at the same wattage. Spread the heat, spread the light, and keep the plants small. Aim for around 80-100 watts per square foot, and the results should be passable.
I have a lot of stuff i'd like to cover about cfls vs hids, the usefulness of autos, proper cfl usage etc, but I haz teh dumb at the moment (wake and bake, combined with IRL drama). I'll try and chip in, as I am able to lol. :-[
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CFLs, HIDs and "heat":
People say that CFLs produce less heat than HPS. This is not true. The heat from cfls is spread out over a larger area, and more of it is convected rather than radiated, but both forms of lighting put out a roughly equivalent amount of heat into the room. CFLs are cooler close up, which is a benefit in height restricted areas (possibly the only real benefit of cfls, other than the initial price), but 200 watts of cfl will heat up your room just as much as 200 watts of hps. HID lights also have the benefit of being able to relocate the ballast elsewhere.
The main benefit of HPS is the amount of light they are able to produce. A 600 watt HPS will put out double or more the amount of light than 600 watts of cfl (600 is the most efficient wattage of HPS light, lower wattages are less efficient than the 600, but still more efficient than cfl, right down to the 70 watt mark.).
edit: to change HID to HPS where necessary.
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your really making me want to buy a 600w hps, i been looking online and i can get a hole kit for £150ish includingl lightproof tent, 600w hps with ballast, fan/filter unit with 5m ducting, nutrients.
a single fan/filter kit is £70ish so might get the hole kit, cos this was my test run just to find out the kinda problems i might come across and also to decide whether to use autos or not, from what ive seen i do like autos does seem like quick and extremely easy weed to grow,but if i move it into the loft then id like to see more height, im interested in other strains that require 12h/18h lighting pattens, what are the pros and cons between the two?
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I have modified warehouse lights..... 400 watt MH and 400 Watt HPS ballasts with shades....
$60 a piece for a rewired ballast. plus shipping :)
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I grew for years with a stripped down flood light HPS, and it did the job just fine. I upgraded to digi dimmables recently, and they have some useful plus poins, but warehouse lights are a great source for cheap HID gear, as long as you don't mind a tiny bit of DIY.
RR, that kit sounds too good to be true at that price. The extractor probably won't be up to the job of cooling the 600 properly. A 6" ruck/rvk type centrifugal fan is the ideal, rather than "mixed mode" fans. They don't really provide enough pressure to pull through carbon filters very well, although the initial CFM numbers might sound impressive, since they are in free flow condition.
Right, on to auto strains vs regular photoperiod strains.
I wouldn't want to put people off buying Pete's seeds for indoor use, because they obviously do the job, and autos are a great way for beginners to get to grips with growing without having to bother about timings, lightproofing, over-vegging etc. However, where autos really come into their own is in outdoor grows. Because they flower based on age rather than light schedule, they can be taken through to harvest much earlier in the year, and as such can provide an early crop, or an opportunity to grow in climates that otherwise would be problematic. In countries like the UK, especially as you get further north, your strain options become limited for outdoor grows, and an early frost or damp autumn can be a disaster for many regular strains. Autos provide a higher chance of harvesting bud in otherwise shitty climates.
Now, for indoor use, I think regular photo strains are more practical, and have several real advantages over autos. The main advantage, and one of my favourite things about growing, is the ability to clone. Cloning is the dog's bollocks. You can turn any one plant into an infinite number of identical plants, with minimum effort and cost. When growing from seed, there is always variation (different "phenos", as they are usually termed). Three plants of the same strain will not necessarily be identical, and one may be superior in taste, potency, yield, flowering time etc. Cloning gives you the ability to grow, say, 10 seeds from a pack, find a "keeper" that stands out from the others, and make as many copies as you want to, with each being genetically identical to the plant it was originally cloned from.
Another advantage to photoperiod strains is the ability to control veg times. You can flower freshly rooted clones and they will begin to bud straight away, potentially giving a faster turnaround time than autos, which self-veg for a few weeks. Alternatively, and my own chosen method for increased peace of mind, is to have fewer plants, vegged for longer before flowering. I grow SCROG style, which uses a net under the light with the plants trained flat to it, resulting in a screen filled with hundreds of smaller buds, rather than the classic "donkey dick" colas. It adds a couple of weeks to the standard veg time time to fill the net, but I don't mind the trade-off, if it means 4 plants do the work of 9 and I drop down a sentencing category. ;D
Regular photoperiod strains are most useful when you have a secondary vegging area. That way, you can always have new plants ready to flower as the current crop is harvested. Your veg area doesn't need to be huge. A small bedside cupboard or similar, with a few 20 watt household cfls, will suffice to keep a couple of bonsai mother plants and some clones happy, although a larger and brighter veg area would be more optimal, if you have the room available.
Sorry for the post length, and sorry PlutoPete if I appear to be knocking your product in any way. That is certainly not my intention. I can honestly say that anyone who likes weed, not just people who think themselves as growers, should consider buying some of your seeds right now. There are loads and loads of successful guerilla grows in the UK alone every year, and even with a "plant and forget" mindset, your chances of getting some bud are fair, provided you put a bit of thought into your chosen location. Add some research into the mix, and your chances are way above average.
Nobody ever gets caught for outdoor grows, and the worst thing that generally happens is that bunnies or slugs rape half of your plants, or some thieving little shit makes off with them. ;D Outdoors is the cheapest way to grow, and anyone can do it, even those who still live with parents, or have other reasons why they are unable to grow indoors.
Again, apologies for length. I get carried away sometimes. ;D
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haha love the long reply ukgrow, it made a good read, i like the sound of four plants doing the job of 9, now that does sound interesting lol, but i bet its not quite as easy as it sounds, ive got the slug problem on my outside grow and they dont just like my weed, little slime balls are attacking my runners, tomartos, and just about every plant ive planted, everyday i pull loads of slugs off my pots, i dont think my outsiders are going to make it anyhow the british weather is to all over the place, not like when i was a teenager we had sunny summers and cold winters now we get it all mixed up though the year, it would never had rained on 3rd june bk then.
and yesterday i spent 3hours setting up in the loft and when i put the light on i saw there are huge gaps in the brick wall between us and next doors loft, kinda a lucky escape cos i just assumed i was a solid brick wall and only saw it at the last minute, my trade involves me in lofts and i can say ive not seen that before. but then again this area is totally new to me so.
im making plans for a full on grow in a mates basement we are going to set up a partition and have a separated veg and flower room, using basic tube lighting for veg and a 600w hps bulb for the flowering room, we have been talking about doing it for years just never got round to doing it, but now we have started to buy materials for the build side of it and work has even started in the little free time i now get after starting a new job, and yeah we will be setting up a hydroponic watering system, already got a 4ft fish tank 3pumps and 25meters tube. need to find the best medium to use.
now when it comes to strain im not sure at all, this is why i am doing test runs, i have petes autos and uk cheese growing, and my mate (with the basement) has purple kush and super skunk growing again under cfls for now.
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You should use 400watt Metal Halide bulbs for your veg rooms..... 1000 watt HPS for your bloom room.... I had 3 x 1000 watts in a 10 x 20 room... 600 watt bulbs are expensive and not as available as the 1000 watt bulbs.. But that's my area... I hate ordering gear online.. I find me a decent Hydroshop an hour or more away from the grow....
With a similar set up I could yield with 40 plants .. around 5-6 pounds per cycle.....
Don't go nuts mixing strains.. Stick to 2 strains per room that grow good together or split the room in half... You dont want to grow a pure indica with a pure sative.... Keep the strains similar in size..... Get to know your strains so you can get the most from them...
I finished my last crop at a friends house... He is moving in to a smaller place and wont have the room.. I quit growing at my house since my son was born 2 years ago..