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Discussion => Off topic => Topic started by: braves821 on April 16, 2012, 07:54 pm
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Hope we arent next....
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Farmers market?
Hey mate, you know.. in the world and everything.. not everyone automatically knows what you're talking about
What market?
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Uhh my apologies.... the farmers market is a hidden tor market like SR, but it just made headline news with 8 arrest of the supposed "ring leaders"
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Here's a link to the story: http://www.wftv.com/ap/ap/crime/8-arrests-in-international-online-narcotics-market/nMZy9/
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And here's why they got busted "They hooked up with buyers in 34 countries and accepted various forms of payment, including cash, Western Union and PayPal transactions, the indictment claims."
I'm not quite sure I believe that. Anyone that is intelligent enough to set up an online drugs market can't be so dumb as to start accepting fucking western union and paypal transactions? That's borderline retarded
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Oh, that's what I get for not reading the article closely. I was starting to get all panicky, but what they did was idiotic. With the anonymity of bitcoin, we should all be safe here. That was a really poor choice by the Farmer's Market. I'm glad we have the Silk Road admins making good decisions that keep the customers and vendors safe.
Although hopefully that line isn't thrown in by the law enforcement to make users like us feel safe... Remember people, always be totally secure with what you're doing. The police do know that sites like this exist, and this proves that they will crack down if they choose to. It took them two years to take down the Farmer's Market, and goodness knows they would love to take us down too.
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Only a matter of time people. Stay safe and hope you aren't involved when they man the assraping machine. Unless you're just buying.
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Pretty sure they were only able to be hunted down because of the payment methods they accepted.
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"Operation Adam Bomb"...how clever.
I'm curious if any of the arrested vendors are vendors on here. If anybody has any knowledge of that, it really needs to be made public immediately.
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"Operation Adam Bomb"...how clever.
I'm curious if any of the arrested vendors are vendors on here. If anybody has any knowledge of that, it really needs to be made public immediately.
None of them vended here.
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I made 3 purchases from the farmers market, so this concerns me. They were such personal amounts though I dont think they will go after customers
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Then you would know, how did you pay for your purchases? Were you using PayPal or what?
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Pretty sure they were only able to be hunted down because of the payment methods they accepted.
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I remember finding the old ravesupply@hushmail they used to be under like 4 years ago, thought it was nuts they used western union. I check the farmers market out of curiosity a couple weeks ago, and they were using cash in mail drops, in the us and eu... I know there's ways to hide and you can get away with it for a bit, but it's crazy to think it's forever sustainable. I hope that paypal thing was a case of bad reporting, lol... Still a sad day :(
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Am curious to know if they really took all those forms of payment, or if those forms of payment were used to by btc for purchases. Knowing how the cops operate here, I can see them not making that distinction to the press, or anyone else, for that matter.
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It is true they accepted cash and paypal, infact they didn't even accept bitcoins.
Their paypal account was disguised as a web development company, and unfortunately I did use this method twice. Keep in mind this was a private community, registration wasn't open. (although in the past it was open to anyone)
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Also the vendors themselves got paid via cim from the admin so if he was busted he was in an excellent position to snitch on all the vendors.
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BTC is truly anonymous payment, for the moment.
If any LEO takes notice of a particular vendor they could begin to track what comes from where and given enough time, have enough evidence to prove to a jury that the vendor received BTC and exchanged it for cash which was deposited XXXXX into XXXX. They DO NOT need to show actual hard facts as enough indicators, with a good law team, will allow them to paint a picture for the jury that is not easily dismissed.
Instawallets.com help slow the process. Thinking of it like hacking or even the tor network itself, if you ping your signal around locations then the trace time becomes cumbersome and ultimately a fruitless, expensive endeavor. But as technology increases they will find better ways to track. Cisco recently released a new packet ultra-sophiscated packet sniffer and that tech with enough use and research can lead to further breakthroughs in internet watchdogging. Hopefully SR never stops evolving though.
A good way of understanding how the tor network is from a game, Uplink: Hackers Elite by Introversion. Great game, the concept of pinging your signal and the trace can be applied to the tor network as well.
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http://www.justice.gov/usao/cac/Pressroom/2012/045.html
more detailed article
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Here is the government's press release:
Creators and Operators of On-line Narcotics Marketplace on the TOR Network Arrested on First of Its Kind Federal Indictment Charging Drug Trafficking in 34 Countries and 50 States
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
April 16, 2012
LOS ANGELES - Federal, state, and international law enforcement authorities have arrested eight people who all face federal drug trafficking and money laundering charges stemming from their creation and operation of a “secret” on-line narcotics market place – known as the “The Farmer's Market” – which sold a variety of controlled substances to approximately 3,000 customers in 34 countries and 50 states.
This morning, law enforcement authorities in Lelystad, Netherlands, arrested the lead defendant, Marc Willems, at his home. Yesterday, law enforcement officials in Bogota, Colombia, arrested the second defendant, Michael Evron, a United States citizen who lives in Argentina, as he was attempting to leave Colombia. The remaining defendants, Jonathan Colbeck, Brian Colbeck, Ryan Rawls, Jonathan Dugan, George Matzek, and Charles Bigras were arrested at their respective homes in Iowa, Michigan, Georgia, New York, New Jersey, and Florida.
The 66-page indictment, which was unsealed today, was the result of “Operation Adam Bomb,” a two-year investigation led by agents of the Drug Enforcement Administration's (DEA) Los Angeles Field Division, with significant assistance by the Netherlands Regional Police Force Flevoland, prosecutors from the International Legal Assistance Center North East Netherlands, United States Department of Justice’s Office of International Affairs, the DEA’s country office in Hague, and the United States Postal Service. The arrests of the defendants took place due to the cooperation and assistance of the Scottish Crime and Drug Enforcement Agency, the Colombian Central Directorate of the Judicial Police and Intelligence, Migracion Colombia, the United States Postal Inspection Service, and Federal/State/Local authorities in New York, Iowa, Georgia, Florida, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania, Michigan, and New Jersey.
“Illegal narcotics trafficking now reaches every corner of our world, including our home computers,” said United States Attorney André Birotte Jr., whose office is handling the prosecution of the case. “But the reach of the law is just as long, and the Department of Justice will work with its partners, both nationally and internationally, to bring narcotics traffickers to justice, wherever they may hide. Working together, we want to make the Internet a safe and secure marketplace by rooting out and prosecuting those persons who seek to illegally pervert and exploit that market.”
“The drug trafficking organization targeted in Operation Adam Bomb was distributing dangerous and addictive drugs to every corner of the world, and trying to hide their activities through the use of advanced anonymizing on-line technology,” said Briane M. Grey, DEA Acting Special Agent in Charge. “Today's action should send a clear message to organizations that are using technology to conduct criminal activity that the DEA and our law enforcement partners will track them down and bring them to justice.”
The 12-count indictment charges that each of the defendants was a member of a conspiracy to distribute a variety of controlled substances world-wide through the use of on-line marketplaces that allowed independent sources of supply to anonymously advertise illegal drugs for sale to the public. According to the indictment, the operators of the on-line marketplaces provided a controlled substances storefront, order forms, on-line forums, customer service, and payment methods for the different sources of supply. For customers, the operators screened all sources of supply and guaranteed delivery of the illegal drugs. The on-line marketplaces handled all communications between the sources of supply and customers. For these services, the operators charged a commission based upon the value of the order. Customers of the on-line marketplaces have been identified in every one of the states of the United States and the District of Columbia and in approximately 34 other countries. There are thousands of registered users of the on-line marketplaces. The on-line marketplaces have multiple sources of supply offering various controlled substances, including LSD, MDMA (ecstasy), fentanyl, mescaline, ketamine, DMT, and high-end marijuana. Between January 2007 and October 2009 alone, defendants Willems and Evron processed approximately 5,256 on-line orders for controlled substances valued at approximately $1,041,244 via the on-line controlled substances marketplaces.
As alleged in the indictment, the Farmers Market, previously known as Adamflowers, operated on the TOR network. According to the indictment, TOR is a circuit of encrypted connections through relays on the TOR network that can be downloaded on home computers. TOR allows websites and electronic mail communications to completely mask IP address information by spreading communications over a series of computers, or relays, located throughout the world. The on-line marketplaces have accepted Western Union, Pecunix, PayPal, I-Golder, and cash as payment for illegal drug sales.
According to investigators, this drug trafficking organization (“DTO”) attempted to operate online in secrecy, utilizing the TOR network, IP anonymizers, and covert currency transactions; but investigators were able to infiltrate the DTO and its technology during the course of the investigation.
Those arrested were:
Marc Willems, 42, a Dutch citizen living in Lelystad, Netherlands
Michael Evron, 42, a United States citizen living in Buenos Aires, Argentina
Jonathan Colbeck, 51, of Urbana, Iowa
Brian Colbeck, 47, of Coldwater, Michigan
Ryan Rawls, 31, of Alpharetta, Georgia
Jonathan Dugan, 27, of North Babylon, New York
George Matzek, 20, of Secaucus, New Jersey
Charles Bigras, 37, of Melbourne, Florida
An indictment contains allegations that a defendant has committed a crime. Every defendant is presumed to be innocent until proven guilty in court.
Each of the defendants is charged with conspiracy to distribute controlled substances, which carries a maximum sentence of imprisonment for life, and money laundering conspiracy, which carries a maximum sentence of 20 years imprisonment. Defendants Willems, Evron, Jonathan Colbeck, Brian Colbeck, and Rawls are also charged with the distribution of LSD, which carries a maximum sentence of imprisonment for life. Finally, defendants Willems and Evron are charged with participating in a continuing criminal enterprise, which carries a maximum sentence of imprisonment for life and a 20-year mandatory minimum sentence.
In addition to those named in the indictment, authorities arrested 7 other people this morning (2 in Netherlands, 1 in Atlanta, 2 in New Hampshire, 1 in Pennsylvania, and 1 in New Jersey). During the course of the arrests made in this case, federal agents and local law enforcement officers also seized substances identified as hashish, LSD and MDMA, as well as an indoor psychotropic mushroom grow, and 3 indoor marijuana grows.
Release No. 12-045
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“Illegal narcotics trafficking now reaches every corner of our world, including our home computers,” said United States Attorney André Birotte Jr., whose office is handling the prosecution of the case. “But the reach of the law is just as long, and the Department of Justice will work with its partners, both nationally and internationally, to bring narcotics traffickers to justice, wherever they may hide. Working together, we want to make the Internet a safe and secure marketplace by rooting out and prosecuting those persons who seek to illegally pervert and exploit that market.”
According to the government, we are "illegally perverting the Internet." LOL. Bunch of perverts we are.
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Here is the indictment:
hxxp://www.wired.com/images_blogs/threatlevel/2012/04/WILLEMSIndictment-FILED.045.pdf
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From the indictment:
"The online marketplaces have accepted Western Union, Pecunix, PayPal, I-Golder, and cash as payment for illegal drug sales. Customers who paid in cash for their orders sent the cash to addresses controlled by a co-conspirator. The co-conspirator then collected the cash and forwarded the cash, minus a commission, to the operators via Western Union or other means. The organization referred to the addresses used to accept this cash payments or individuals who accepted these cash payments as "cash drops.""
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This is a sad day :(
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Damn. That's some shit. I feel bad for those guys but it looks like they were lax in the security department. Accepting traceable currency was a big no-no. But at the time, there really wasn't much else to deal with. Bitcoin hadn't come into its own yet.
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Hmm... time to tighten up security in my ops.. Never did biz with Farmer's Market, and it's probably a result of their payment methods.. but still.. never hurts to go over the security precautions one more time..
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TFM being shut down comes as a surprise to absolutely nobody who knew about it and had any common sense, you can't have a near open registration major international drug market and take CIM and paypal. Even they knew that their entire security came from not having feds on the forum, as they made apparent in several posts that worried that their multi thousand member forum might one day be infiltrated (like it hadn't already been). They were extremely naive. Unfortunately many on SR are also extremely naive. Also bitcoin is no more anonymous than paypal if you use paypal to pay for it. Bitcoin is no more anonymous than the method used to obtain it, don't be fooled by adding an extra layer because it is by itself a worthless layer, the entire transaction history is public. Bitcoins should be obtained anonymously and cashed out anonymously, at the least you should use a mix but then you risk money laundering charges unless you cash in and out anonymously. I am quite afraid that Bitcoins falsely perceived anonymity is lulling people here into a false sense of security.
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TFM being shut down comes as a surprise to absolutely nobody who knew about it and had any common sense, you can't have a near open registration major international drug market and take CIM and paypal. Even they knew that their entire security came from not having feds on the forum, as they made apparent in several posts that worried that their multi thousand member forum might one day be infiltrated (like it hadn't already been). They were extremely naive. Unfortunately many on SR are also extremely naive. Also bitcoin is no more anonymous than paypal if you use paypal to pay for it. Bitcoin is no more anonymous than the method used to obtain it, don't be fooled by adding an extra layer because it is by itself a worthless layer, the entire transaction history is public. Bitcoins should be obtained anonymously and cashed out anonymously, at the least you should use a mix but then you risk money laundering charges unless you cash in and out anonymously. I am quite afraid that Bitcoins falsely perceived anonymity is lulling people here into a false sense of security.
I also wondered this.
DPR/the sr team for example, have got to have one of the biggest amounts of bitcoins in the world..? Also anyone selling large amounts of bitcoins is likely to be labelled as a vendor.
How would they go about cashing out bitcoins anonymously? Is there even a way of doing that?
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I used them a while ago a few times, I can personally attest the fact that they did accept pay pal and I used it on several occasions. A lot of the times members would volunteer or get paid rather, to be 'cash drops'. These were in fact ordinary accounts, these were legit personal accounts; proper precautions were not taken, discussions were out in the open in the pay pal payments forums. While I have not used that site for more than a year, I spent a fair share of time there trying out the wares. I decided it to be unsafe. They were too trusting IMO, using personal accounts, from my experience that is how I imagine they were busted is a cash drop was exposed and further investigation of said cash drop leaked everyone else. It's 15 arrests now, not 8.
I think its 15 aliases, 8 real people?
See
https://viewer.zoho.com/docs/urlview.do?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wired.com%2Fimages_blogs%2Fthreatlevel%2F2012%2F04%2FWILLEMSIndictment-FILED.045.pdf
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I used them a while ago a few times, I can personally attest the fact that they did accept pay pal and I used it on several occasions. A lot of the times members would volunteer or get paid rather, to be 'cash drops'. These were in fact ordinary accounts, these were legit personal accounts; proper precautions were not taken, discussions were out in the open in the pay pal payments forums. While I have not used that site for more than a year, I spent a fair share of time there trying out the wares. I decided it to be unsafe. They were too trusting IMO, using personal accounts, from my experience that is how I imagine they were busted is a cash drop was exposed and further investigation of said cash drop leaked everyone else. It's 15 arrests now, not 8.
I think its 15 aliases, 8 real people?
See
https://viewer.zoho.com/docs/urlview.do?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wired.com%2Fimages_blogs%2Fthreatlevel%2F2012%2F04%2FWILLEMSIndictment-FILED.045.pdf
Ah ok, my bad.
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Remember last June when the Gawker article about Silk Road came out? And then two senators held a press conference and demanded that the DEA shut down Silk Road? Well, perhaps the take down of TFM is a result of that. In other words, when the political shit hit the fan, the DEA went after online drug markets and took down the weakest one. The path of least resistance, so to speak. It's not to say they wouldn't or won't take down SR, but maybe TFM would have gone along unfettered if SR hadn't been getting so much press. Just a thought.
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It is 15 arrests, 8 were made in hte US, the others were Holland and other countries:
"LOS ANGELES—A sophisticated online drug marketplace that sold everything from marijuana to mescaline to some 3,000 people around the world has been cracked with the arrests of 15 people in several countries, U.S. authorities announced Monday."
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2012/04/16/8_arrests_in_international_online_narcotics_market/
I am not sure if this information (just quoting the article) is allowed here, feel free to remove it. I only post it thinking it may benefit someones security.
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Remember last June when the Gawker article about Silk Road came out? And then two senators held a press conference and demanded that the DEA shut down Silk Road? Well, perhaps the take down of TFM is a result of that. In other words, when the political shit hit the fan, the DEA went after online drug markets and took down the weakest one. The path of least resistance, so to speak. It's not to say they wouldn't or won't take down SR, but maybe TFM would have gone along unfettered if SR hadn't been getting so much press. Just a thought.
When SR had senators bitching about it, I pretty much took that to be the end of TFM. Of all the public drug forums TFM was by far the easiest target.
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It is 15 arrests, 8 were made in hte US, the others were Holland and other countries:
"LOS ANGELES—A sophisticated online drug marketplace that sold everything from marijuana to mescaline to some 3,000 people around the world has been cracked with the arrests of 15 people in several countries, U.S. authorities announced Monday."
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2012/04/16/8_arrests_in_international_online_narcotics_market/
I am not sure if this information (just quoting the article) is allowed here, feel free to remove it. I only post it thinking it may benefit someones security.
Confusing, was seeing 8/15 various places, figured it was maybe one of those "Journalistic Libertys".
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Well I hope the SR has multiple locations like TPB. BitCoin is the Future,Tor is Morpheus. When I use the clear net (matrix) I think im in the old days. This Tor thing has made me feel so empowered. I have to constantly watch myself because I feel so free, until I see a police car, or some well dressed man in shined shoes, (undercover?, plainclothes?).
then its back to a random coffee shop w/ wifi and and back to the Nebuchadnezzar, for more truth w/ no fear of FDA.
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the east coast was flooded with cops today?
is this a clue the west coast is being examined deeply?
LE giving a fake sigh of relief to the west...? the article states that LE was at the biggest post offices on the east coast and all the people busted were on East coast as well.
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Remember that TFM was not using TOR in the beginning and they didn't trust bitcoins so they were dumb on 2 levels. PayPal, seriously....Morons.
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This is going to set precedent for the future drug related cases on tor as it is the first of it's kind... i think
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Should we be worried? I don't know if I can go back to life without psychedelics :o
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It is true they accepted cash and paypal, infact they didn't even accept bitcoins.
Their paypal account was disguised as a web development company, and unfortunately I did use this method twice. Keep in mind this was a private community, registration wasn't open. (although in the past it was open to anyone)
What was the name of this company? I dropped a phone once at my weed guys house and it had a halfway filled out order page w/ credit card number filled in. Well I got the phone back but that weekend over 2k was spent on some web development company. Boa said it must of been hackers. But now im curious... Also a certain statement the weedguy made, about a website with fake items that would send drugs.
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This is going to set precedent for the future drug related cases on tor as it is the first of it's kind... i think
Totally. Everyone is going to go to anonymous e-currency.
Hopefully everyone on S.R. will view this as a wake-up call to double down and tighten up our own security.
I hate to put it this way.. but TFM vs. S.R. Remember the story about the two guys outrunning the lion?
We don't have to outrun the lion sometimes.. I've been involved in "stuff" for a good long while. Never had a genuine scare, let alone real trouble. But plenty of "low hanging fruit" around me DID.
My gramps would sit on the back porch and eat orange popsicles and tell us stories. He often said "you can learn from the mistakes of others, or God will force you to learn from your own!".
Wisdom in that eh?
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were not as safe as you all think, typical addict response to a major situation.
do you think cops are that stupid?
hey it took them two years to bust an open market with no crypto currency, it will take them a decade to get near SR! bull shit
6 billion people in the world that are old enough to use a computer...115 at anytime on the forums. who is good at math?
i never was on tfm but they couldnt have honestly operated on a system of trust and patching in new members some how...no way
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Remember last June when the Gawker article about Silk Road came out? And then two senators held a press conference and demanded that the DEA shut down Silk Road? Well, perhaps the take down of TFM is a result of that. In other words, when the political shit hit the fan, the DEA went after online drug markets and took down the weakest one. The path of least resistance, so to speak. It's not to say they wouldn't or won't take down SR, but maybe TFM would have gone along unfettered if SR hadn't been getting so much press. Just a thought.
You see the path of least of resistance, I saw practice and training. They are now better at the tools that are used to run this type of site. I'm sure DPR is working on something to further increase SR anonymity and it seems pretty safeguarded from outsiders.
Well I hope the SR has multiple locations like TPB. BitCoin is the Future,Tor is Morpheus. When I use the clear net (matrix) I think im in the old days. This Tor thing has made me feel so empowered. I have to constantly watch myself because I feel so free, until I see a police car, or some well dressed man in shined shoes, (undercover?, plainclothes?).
then its back to a random coffee shop w/ wifi and and back to the Nebuchadnezzar, for more truth w/ no fear of FDA.
I kinda remember reading an article where DPR stated having SR mirrored across several locals which would make diverge all traffic and increase our anonymity but it doesn't strengthen SRs' computer network. I'm not sure what they use but one machine infiltrated is one too many.
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There shouldn't be any sighs of relief here. This is just a beginning, and success means they'll be given more funds...anybody who thinks we are way cooler or way smarter or way luckier should wait a bit before celebrating. This was a warmup run...it'll be real interesting to see how this plays out legally, whether they all cop pleas, or fight it, and if so, what defense....
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There shouldn't be any sighs of relief here. This is just a beginning, and success means they'll be given more funds...anybody who thinks we are way cooler or way smarter or way luckier should wait a bit before celebrating. This was a warmup run...it'll be real interesting to see how this plays out legally, whether they all cop pleas, or fight it, and if so, what defense....
exactly..when do you think we will know the outcome of TFM arrests and i bet there will be over 50 arrests at the end of this.
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Obviously the main difference is TFM practiced "Security through obscurity". They, like many of the dealers on Topix and other forums thought as long as they fly below LE radar, they won't get busted by accepting really stupid traceable payments like Paypal and using Hushmail, not their own encryption.
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Guys,
Chill out! TFM was busted pretty much before they started. Hushmail handed over the emails, which contained personal information about the vendors, non-encrypted. They accepted forms of payment that have been KNOWN to be dangerous for the online drug community. Cash in the mail, paypal?
They might be TRYING to bust the customers now, but the fact is that they would have busted the customers already if this was an 'ongoing operation'.
Silk Road was being created while every other board was making these mistakes. SR admin has already watched a couple boards fall, and I'm willing to bet he has taken into account the mistakes that were made along the way.
TFPM never gave a damn about encryption. PGP is encouraged on this website. For some vendors, it is damn manditory. All the government has done here was a few subpoenas. They haven't done anything special with technology, no breakthrough tor cracking, no super bitcoin exposing. NOTHING.
If they could break tor, they would be able to bust a LOT more than just the TFPM customers. Think of all of the other boards with *MUCH* worse content on them.
As long as the SR admin has kept his friends tightly knitted, everything else will stand ON ITS OWN. Just give it some thought. Everything is fine here on Silk Road.
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Am I the only one that immediately looks up people's facebook pages when I see news stories like this? C'mon, I can't be the only weirdo!! :) :)
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Even if SR isn't taken down, which I find the least likely of all these scenarios, vendors will be targeted.
We will inevitably lose valued members of this community and every effort at further communication and techniques should be discussed discreetly.
Openly relaying valued techniques that are in practice should be avoided, even if you are just guessing or talking out your ass, you never know what shipping method you have unwittingly exposed. Because of this I will be scrubbing my posts of shipping methods, only the gov'ts actual shipping methods and methods of detection.
The posts which contain the most of valuable vendor information NEED TO BE REMOVED from the PUBLIC eye. Say I post some procedures from place I worked and it is helpful but also gives tips to vendors. This post should be stickied into a vendor only forum.
One VERY SECURE way to do this is to use two installs on separate servers for public and vendors. At least on invisionboard and PHPVB, you can link separate installs together in certain ways that allow the public forum mods to have access to what categories are in the vendors section, but not the vendor section itself (mods could be LEO as well, sorry).
This way they can move appropriate pages to where it will help people, it will appear to be one installation and with proper editing, even the forum vendors can retain access in-between forums on the same login. (though that would open the possibility to be backdoored through the public forum so separate log-ins makes the most security sense)
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Am curious to know if they really took all those forms of payment, or if those forms of payment were used to by btc for purchases. Knowing how the cops operate here, I can see them not making that distinction to the press, or anyone else, for that matter.
I think they started out back in 2003. They would hire people to be Paypal cashiers so you would take all the risk accepting Paypal then cashing it to western union and sending it to Adam in the Netherlands.
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Yeah the panicking is probably unnecessary. If LE had magically cracked Tor, they wouldn't be going after small time drug dealers; they'd be going out after the hardcore child porn sites that exist on Tor and are causing real harm. I mean seriously, every part of the budget going towards arresting non-harmful drug vendors should be going towards taking down child porn users. Once again, the priorities in this country astound me. They went after TFM because it was an easy fish to catch, and they knew that it would scare users of similar sites. Don't buy into their fear. SR is as secure as it's always been. One badly run site being shut down doesn't change a thing.
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Vendors are already targeted, man. LEO has been scraping silk road for awhile, probably since the first major news article about it?
Check it out though, they busted the vendors of TFM, but the site is still up. The store is still running. They couldn't shut the site down. All they did was find the vendors old email addresses (hushmail). Subpoena to hushmail. Hushmail handed the emails over. They found *UNENCRYPTED* personal information, and probably the addresses of more vendors. More subpoenas. Subpoenas can take months to clear.
That's all they could do. They couldn't get access to the servers for the .onion addresses. The only way they had in, was through hushmail. and because they didn't use PGP or some other form of encryption, they had all the information they needed right there.
The rest of the information was pretty much available right on the TFM forum. The cash drop address was in the public eye, under a certain company name. Subpoena to get the company owner's information.. done. Find the paypal address that is accepting the money for orders.. Subpoena paypal. Done.
Now throw Silk Road in the mix. No centralized payment collection. Tor. PGP for addresses and 90% of private messages. Bitcoin. AKA .. LEO's worst nightmare right now. They are trying to scare us, but the fact is they are more afraid of us, because we are anonymous. We are winning.
If you don't have an identity in this world, you are law enforcement's fucking nightmare.
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It really isn't better training etc though, they have done money mule / paypal tracing operations many times in the past. TFM was operating with techniques that were known as weak to federal level attackers, and they kept using them because they thought they could screen the feds out of their 3k member once open registration forum.
http://www.scrippsnews.com/content/project-flicker-investigation-exposes-vast-child-pornography-ring
www.dodig.mil/fo/Foia/ERR/OperationFlicker/200800080D%20(black).pdf
Somewhere there is a big report on how they detangled the paypal and money mule network to trace the people running those commercial membership CP sites (they were using fake work at home ads to recruit money mules), but I can not be bothered to dig around for it right now. But I am sure they used the exact same techniques against farmers market, since farmers market was using the same exact technique as the CP sellers in this operation.
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Pretty sure they were only able to be hunted down because of the payment methods they accepted.
Exactly. There is no need to worry about Silk Road. The reason these people were caught is because they weren't careful enough, you can easily screw up your anonymity even when using Tor.
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It really isn't better training etc though, they have done money mule / paypal tracing operations many times in the past. TFM was operating with techniques that were known as weak to federal level attackers, and they kept using them because they thought they could screen the feds out of their 3k member once open registration forum.
http://www.scrippsnews.com/content/project-flicker-investigation-exposes-vast-child-pornography-ring
www.dodig.mil/fo/Foia/ERR/OperationFlicker/200800080D%20(black).pdf
Somewhere there is a big report on how they detangled the paypal and money mule network to trace the people running those commercial membership CP sites (they were using fake work at home ads to recruit money mules), but I can not be bothered to dig around for it right now. But I am sure they used the exact same techniques against farmers market, since farmers market was using the same exact technique as the CP sellers in this operation.
Yes, I remember reading a local article about a man in a nearby state who was arrested for receiving a package with a large amount of crack/cocaine in it and he pleaded that he only answered a post of craigslist for quick cash. He wasn't told what was in the box and was only told they needed an urgent package picked up while they were busy handling their business, discretion was obviously stated. I don't remember what he said but I think it was like the guy who hired him didn't want some "sensitive" paperwork to reach his family so he sent it somewhere else.
SR is secure, yes. But the people need to take precautions, telling everyone not to worry may lead to an influx of new buyers reading the posts and seeing that everything is ok, no need to dilly dally with PGP and temp wallets. Not saying you meant that, but I always play devil's advocate.
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however the story of online drug shops and SR plays out, it will one day make for a pretty damn entertaining movie
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This is crazy, because I remember one night about 2 or 3 in the morning of April 1st (April Fools day) there were a lot of funny posts all over SR and people were acting like the site had LE's on it for sure, but the next day everything was back to normal and I just took all the subtle hints as I was high and reading into things way too much.
Anyone remember that night and all those posts and a lot of people on the forum acting real different and dropping hints about the site being watched in their posts?
I know I couldn't of made that up in my head especially after reading this!
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ITS TIME FOR ALL YOU SMART MOFOS TO EXPAND YOUR MINDS AND START MAKING SILK ROAD 2 OR YOUR OWN LEGAL DRUG MARKET. ONE DAY SILKROAD WILL FALL BUT FOR NOW 2012 IS SILKROAD AND BMR BUT IN 2013 NR, TRGF, DRUGS FOR FUN, ANON DRUGS, DRUGS2DOOR, PSYCHS BY MAIL, FEED ME WEED, NO MORE DEALERS AND MY PERSONAL FAVORITE IF I EVER MADE AN ANON MARKET " DRUG WAR LOST" ANON MARKETPLACE.
+1 :)
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Wash your coins thoroughly, gents. Wash and rinse and repeat.
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Hmm... time to tighten up security in my ops.. Never did biz with Farmer's Market, and it's probably a result of their payment methods.. but still.. never hurts to go over the security precautions one more time..
u are sooo right here. Time to clean my bits and bytes once again...
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Glad to hear most of you think SR is safer than this farmers market place ..
I only just found this beautiful hidden oasis and I would be fuckin wounded if anything happened.
Heres to SR and all who trades in her ;D
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Glad to hear most of you think SR is safer than this farmers market place ..
I only just found this beautiful hidden oasis and I would be fuckin wounded if anything happened.
Heres to SR and all who trades in her ;D
I couldn't agree more:) I hope this new puts an end to how much DPR makes! I hate BTC....I love BTC. Thanks for keeping us at least as safe as possible at this given moment in time .....much love! Long Live The SR and shame on the LE for wasting money trying to keep people from ingesting and doing what they want to their own bodies
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silkroad has just gained a ton of new customers :) we will show them how its really done lol
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I don't think it is a time to be cocky! it is a time to be cautious.
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im always cautious, all im saying is if one market closes there customers have to go somewhere ::)
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:(
I never heard of them, but just checked and the hidden servers still online
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to the buyers who ask if encryption is really important for addresses, THIS is why you should do it. It is not clear if TFM's server has been compromised, but if it has, and is still on, your address is there for the DEA to see in plaintext. ( I know TFM didn't use pgp in their store, but you get the point) IDK if Keysh ever actually implemented the ability to delete address before receiving order functionality, but I know it was on his ToDo list....sorry for rambling.
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to the buyers who ask if encryption is really important for addresses, THIS is why you should do it. It is not clear if TFM's server has been compromised, but if it has, and is still on, your address is there for the DEA to see in plaintext. ( I know TFM didn't use pgp in their store, but you get the point) IDK if Keysh ever actually implemented the ability to delete address before receiving order functionality, but I know it was on his ToDo list....sorry for rambling.
i couldn't agree more pgp MUST be used for addresses although silkroad does claim that addresses are encrypted to and from server and deleted after the order has been confirmed
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Sh!t...just...got......REAL! :o
Guys,
Chill out! TFM was busted pretty much before they started. Hushmail handed over the emails, which contained personal information about the vendors, non-encrypted. They accepted forms of payment that have been KNOWN to be dangerous for the online drug community. Cash in the mail, paypal?
They might be TRYING to bust the customers now, but the fact is that they would have busted the customers already if this was an 'ongoing operation'.
Silk Road was being created while every other board was making these mistakes. SR admin has already watched a couple boards fall, and I'm willing to bet he has taken into account the mistakes that were made along the way.
TFPM never gave a damn about encryption. PGP is encouraged on this website. For some vendors, it is damn manditory. All the government has done here was a few subpoenas. They haven't done anything special with technology, no breakthrough tor cracking, no super bitcoin exposing. NOTHING.
If they could break tor, they would be able to bust a LOT more than just the TFPM customers. Think of all of the other boards with *MUCH* worse content on them.
As long as the SR admin has kept his friends tightly knitted, everything else will stand ON ITS OWN. Just give it some thought. Everything is fine here on Silk Road.
True, true. Absolutely NOTHING about getting rid of that kiddie porn. That sh!t is on TOR 20 times more than drugs.
ITS TIME FOR ALL YOU SMART MOFOS TO EXPAND YOUR MINDS AND START MAKING SILK ROAD 2 OR YOUR OWN LEGAL DRUG MARKET. ONE DAY SILKROAD WILL FALL BUT FOR NOW 2012 IS SILKROAD AND BMR BUT IN 2013 NR, TRGF, DRUGS FOR FUN, ANON DRUGS, DRUGS2DOOR, PSYCHS BY MAIL, FEED ME WEED, NO MORE DEALERS AND MY PERSONAL FAVORITE IF I EVER MADE AN ANON MARKET " DRUG WAR LOST" ANON MARKETPLACE.
;DI hear you! I see where you're going with this. Board members take heed.
TFM being shut down comes as a surprise to absolutely nobody who knew about it and had any common sense, you can't have a near open registration major international drug market and take CIM and paypal. Even they knew that their entire security came from not having feds on the forum, as they made apparent in several posts that worried that their multi thousand member forum might one day be infiltrated (like it hadn't already been). They were extremely naive. Unfortunately many on SR are also extremely naive. Also bitcoin is no more anonymous than paypal if you use paypal to pay for it. Bitcoin is no more anonymous than the method used to obtain it, don't be fooled by adding an extra layer because it is by itself a worthless layer, the entire transaction history is public. Bitcoins should be obtained anonymously and cashed out anonymously, at the least you should use a mix but then you risk money laundering charges unless you cash in and out anonymously. I am quite afraid that Bitcoins falsely perceived anonymity is lulling people here into a false sense of security.
My thing is, if you were using Paypal and Western Union...you knew it was the start of the ending from that point on.
Damn. That's some shit. I feel bad for those guys but it looks like they were lax in the security department. Accepting traceable currency was a big no-no. But at the time, there really wasn't much else to deal with. Bitcoin hadn't come into its own yet.
Yeah, see this is the majority of my argument. You CANNOT leave a digital stamp.
however the story of online drug shops and SR plays out, it will one day make for a pretty damn entertaining movie
I've been thinking this sh!t since I have been here.
silkroad has just gained a ton of new customers :) we will show them how its really done lol
As smart as I feel myself to be, I never thought about this side of the story. SR stands to get an influx of new customers AND new vendors! 8)
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I haven't seen many answers on what will happen to customers? What if someone made a few small personal orders of lsd, between 2010-2011 - and used a verified paypal account for the payment method, are they going to get buttfucked soon? Or raided? That would be bullshit because those drugs are long gone
I really hope they can't/won't go after customers.
edit: farmers market forum now redirects to justice.gov
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FYI one of the people indicted in the the farmers market investigation (Jonathan Dugan) is the user thecloser29 on silkroad whos seller account recently got closed by SR a few weeks ago. I just want to give everyone the heads up who might have dealt with him or sent him their details for an order.
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joydivision, what is your evidence that thecloser29 is Jonathan Dugan
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FYI one of the people indicted in the the farmers market investigation (Jonathan Dugan) is the user thecloser29 on silkroad whos seller account recently got closed by SR a few weeks ago. I just want to give everyone the heads up who might have dealt with him or sent him their details for an order.
Wow that's pretty interesting... How do you know this?
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Well, I don't know where he got this information... but looking at the indictment, this information checks out.
We know "thecloser29" was a dealer from the New York area (based on his claims both here on SR as a "NYC" dealer, as well as on Topix.com where there were multiple threads talking about him residing in the New York area), and the indictment details (on page 21/ 66) , that Dugan received 125 hits of LSD at an address on Garnet St in North Babylon, NY. This is just circumstantial, but it backs up what has been claimed.
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i can't really divulge any details without compromising my anonymity but it has been verified he is thecloser29.
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I would believe this claim.... Also, based on the fact that Dugan was arrested over the farmer's market bust, then the chances are that he is NOT a confidential information, but rather just a dealer who was careless.
Thus, the security risk is lower than if he is a C.I. , but this possibility that he is a C.I. or has 'turned' cannot be excluded at this point.
So in terms of security, the next step is for S.R. to completely terminate the account of thecloser29 and all associated data. Only time will tell the actual implications beyond what we know now.
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SWIM is not an overly religious person but is praying to Jesus that anyones info he had just prior to his acct being shut down was not compromised. lets say SWIM ordered from him right before he suspended for not delivering product and scamming people, if SWIM is in another country (not USA) and SWIM's drop location was on his pc somehow would SWIM be in danger? SWIM's info was sent encrypted and since the order was marked as shipped its gone from his SR acct. right? SWIM was refunded and no goods were actually sent to SWIM as far as SWIM knows but he claimed his partner said he shipped it although it never arrived. would SWIM be in danger for something that SWIM didnt receive, for a small personal amount of a prescription? oh jeez SWIM's worried now. its not SWIM's address but someone who SWIM knows and can have mail delivered without question. SWIM may have changed their spelling of their name a bit too but cmon it'd be obvious if any LE looked into it. honest opinions here... is SWIM right to be worried?
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ffs can you stop with the swim bullshit? please
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sorry alot of us are very paranoid right now. and why waste ur time to respond about my use of SWIM when there are more important things going on here?
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FYI one of the people indicted in the the farmers market investigation (Jonathan Dugan) is the user thecloser29 on silkroad whos seller account recently got closed by SR a few weeks ago. I just want to give everyone the heads up who might have dealt with him or sent him their details for an order.
I am choosing not to take the time to look, but a thread was created in the recent past about thecloser29 being LE.
If this is true, not quite accurate, but close enough.
This sh!t cray!
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There shouldn't be any sighs of relief here. This is just a beginning, and success means they'll be given more funds...anybody who thinks we are way cooler or way smarter or way luckier should wait a bit before celebrating. This was a warmup run...it'll be real interesting to see how this plays out legally, whether they all cop pleas, or fight it, and if so, what defense....
exactly..when do you think we will know the outcome of TFM arrests and i bet there will be over 50 arrests at the end of this.
I don't know: I read thru that whole indictment, and it will be very interesting if they try to nail the buyers too, tho so far, seems they just went after the money movers...from a legal standpoint, it will be interesting, but not near as interesting as when/if they go after btc users. Besides TOR, and Escrow, BTC is the main strength of SR. Good to be wary, good to be careful, but I'm not sure if this affects us as much: does show that they can/are mustering up a lot of combined manpower and agencies to tackle these criminal enterprises...means that 'the get it' in that sense...mostly just reminds me not to start thinking we are bulletproof.
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Hopefully you will be fine....
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There was no secret informant. Adam used Hushmail, so every single email he ever sent was stored and readable by the Feds.
That's all they need to get all his paypal cashier and WU information. Then just make a buy for a bunch of LSD using all the "private" emails in Adams hushmail account where he told everybody the new store address and presto place is busted, but that's just icing on the cake they already had him for conspiracy with plenty of documentation and history. Not like Adam didn't still hand out a menu to everybody who contacted him from Onlinepot.org either.. any keystone cops could've brought down TFM.
He gift wrapped evidence to the DEA by not using his own PGP encryption. They have all his emails from 2007 - now.
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If you bothered to read the indictment, there were not zero, not ONE, but TWO secret informants posing as buyers for an extended period of time.
That's in addition to whatever the hell Dugan was doing
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If you bothered to read the indictment, there were not zero, not ONE, but TWO secret informants posing as buyers for an extended period of time.
That's in addition to whatever the hell Dugan was doing
Icing on the cake. They already had every single email Adam wrote from 2007-Now which gave them a detailed overview of his entire operation. They had his paypal cashiers which were sending wires to him they could follow. Don't really need secret informants when security is so terrible. He was the low hanging fruit on the hidden wiki list of drug sites, had public clearnet ads since 2003, only a matter of time I'd say unfortunately.
Here, they could use informants. Maybe they bust somebody who claims to know whoever runs this place and use him to milk information. Only way this place will ever get busted. Weren't they hiring database admins a few months ago here? How many agents applied for the job
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according to this http://bit.ly/HD2SIO (which gets mre customers here)
they send a DEA guy to get 30 gramms !THIRTY GRAMMS! of LSD :o
most likely to reset the dosage of LSD in the washington water supply system :P
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they include the weight of the medium in their charges. so that is a quite inflated number
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Did they use their real names with WU?
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Am I the only one that immediately looks up people's facebook pages when I see news stories like this? C'mon, I can't be the only weirdo!! :) :)
ther cant be too many people who heard aabout this, and even less who searched their names, remove your post for your own safety
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FYI one of the people indicted in the the farmers market investigation (Jonathan Dugan) is the user thecloser29 on silkroad whos seller account recently got closed by SR a few weeks ago. I just want to give everyone the heads up who might have dealt with him or sent him their details for an order.
I am choosing not to take the time to look, but a thread was created in the recent past about thecloser29 being LE.
If this is true, not quite accurate, but close enough.
This sh!t cray!
I've dealt with him, I really don't think hes LE. I think DPR has more to worry about than the buyer. Just don't be stupid and don't sign for anything and be a little more cautious. There obviously monitoring us and working on shutting us down.....Huge waste of money other than paying over payed PO PO and overtime to boot. filling the prison industrial complex. I sure the fuck hope he's not LE!
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He's probably not LE, just an idiot drug dealer and occasional scammer. There is a small chance he was an informant during the past few months -- but that risk is pretty low considering his behavior, and the fact that no one was arrested from his shipments. Likely he was under surveillance pending the bust for his involvement with TFM (assuming the claims are correct and he is the same guy). If this is true... Now the risk is that now he 'turns' -- becomes an informant and cooperates with LE in order to try to bring down SR.
This would probably involve posing as a buyer or seller (or both) on SR, meaning they could target both buyers and sellers.
I'd be especially wary of new vendors at this point, as well as buyers that want to purchase any significant amount of 'quantity' of schedule I substances. Anyone who had involvement with thecloser29 should 'clean house' , both physically and electronically.
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Oh! nice! did i miss something? Hes somehow involved with the THM? what guy? more info! did i miss a forum?
EDIT: Oh i see! i only got scammed by him then payed back! no drug transactions.....should i be worried? risk vs rewards gets slimmer all the time.......nothing much worse than a snitch. Hope he isn't that low:(
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i keep to 5 vendors that cover my needs and never use any other if those vendors are out of what i want i will wait, i know i can trust my 5vendors cos i have been using them since silkroad started, im not saying everyone else shouldnt give new vendors a go but from a vendors point of view its important you can trust the vendors that you use and always use pgp in the address box, infact the address box should be made so it only excepts a pgp code,
buyers be careful who you use and vendors i shouldnt have to say this but now is the time for extra care and attention to what you are doing, stay safe :)
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I wonder what will happen to cash customers.
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Besides the closer guy, does anyone think other vendors were using both sites to sell? This worries me.
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personally i think if someone is involved in one illegal site they must be involved in others!!! my advice at this time is stick to tried and trusted vendors, this is a time for caution!
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there must be a loop hole in the law somewhere cos we aint dealing in real cash we exchange in bitcoins and bitcoins are not a recognized currency so technically we are not selling anything we are exchanging! id like to hear what a lawyer thinks of this ???
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joot and djsfishin might have sold here but I am not sure
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Is it possible they could go after the customers?
sad day indeed :'(
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i dout they would spend enough money to track down users, it would cost millions to track customers in the usa alone let alone 34 other country's, the people they want is the vendors and the people who run it, the users are no use to them, time they tracked you down you would have used the product and they would have wasted time and money
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joot and djsfishin might have sold here but I am not sure
just a feeling but wouldnt mike.murphy fit in this? Or was his "scam" a lil before that shit?
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Well mike.murphy claimed he sent out the orders and refused to give out DCNs for 'security reasons'.
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I just read it somewhere here and there was a sn murphy815 or something...
But you are prob. right, he HAS just scammed. period.
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joot didn't sell here, but IDK about dj
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there must be a loop hole in the law somewhere cos we aint dealing in real cash we exchange in bitcoins and bitcoins are not a recognized currency so technically we are not selling anything we are exchanging! id like to hear what a lawyer thinks of this ???
Don't think so, did my own research then talked to a lawyer friend who specializes in weed defense. From what I understand, it is no different than if you traded an oz of weed for work on your car. it is still considered dealing, especially because the btc are easily converted to cash, and they are basically the cash of the SR. This is in the US btw
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oh okay i can see that! im in UK so dont know if its the same but would have thought so
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according to this http://bit.ly/HD2SIO (which gets mre customers here)
they send a DEA guy to get 30 gramms !THIRTY GRAMMS! of LSD :o
most likely to reset the dosage of LSD in the washington water supply system :P
that last line made me laugh :)
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only started using the market last month but made multiple orders successfully. was terribly surprised about what happened. i know for a fact that they didnt get EVERYONE involved however, but there are enough to shut it down for now. and yes, that means we all must be very careful.
yeah we all need to be extra careful right now :)
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As long as we all take the necessary precautions, tumble bitcoins, use PGP, and make sure nothing is traceable back to our real selves, we will be fine. Remain forever vigilant.
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So this is why bitcoin has gone up in value the last few days.... :P
But really.... PayPal? No Encryption? Open Forum? The only surprise is that it took this long. These guys were flaunting it in front of LE and it took them from 2003? I doubt SR has anything to worry about.
But all you people who won't learn to use PGP... You are stupid. It's not that hard. DO IT. THIS is what happens when you don't take your shit seriously. The worst kind of lazy is being to lazy to think. We've all got brains, USE THEM. If you don't, well, you deserve to get busted.
DANGEROUSLY STUPID - It'll fuck you every time.
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So this is why bitcoin has gone up in value the last few days.... :P
But really.... PayPal? No Encryption? Open Forum? The only surprise is that it took this long. These guys were flaunting it in front of LE and it took them from 2003? I doubt SR has anything to worry about.
But all you people who won't learn to use PGP... You are stupid. It's not that hard. DO IT. THIS is what happens when you don't take your shit seriously. The worst kind of lazy is being to lazy to think. We've all got brains, USE THEM. If you don't, well, you deserve to get busted.
DANGEROUSLY STUPID - It'll fuck you every time.
yeah I thouight the same, the coins going up because of the new customers here.
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I made 3 purchases from the farmers market, so this concerns me. They were such personal amounts though I dont think they will go after customers
if they come for you don't answer any questions. without product in hand they have no case.
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only started using the market last month but made multiple orders successfully. was terribly surprised about what happened. i know for a fact that they didnt get EVERYONE involved however, but there are enough to shut it down for now. and yes, that means we all must be very careful.
yeah we all need to be extra careful right now :)
I can help with that. I have two listings up for private Tor bridges to enhance your anonymity when browsing with Tor. Check it out on silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/4e14aa8774
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Right, we should trust that you're not LE and use your private bridges.
In other "bridge" news, I have one available for sale in Brooklyn, it's a really good investment...
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only started using the market last month but made multiple orders successfully. was terribly surprised about what happened. i know for a fact that they didnt get EVERYONE involved however, but there are enough to shut it down for now. and yes, that means we all must be very careful.
yeah we all need to be extra careful right now :)
FLAG NEWBIE ACCOUNT! Possible LE.
I can help with that. I have two listings up for private Tor bridges to enhance your anonymity when browsing with Tor. Check it out on silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/4e14aa8774
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Right, we should trust that you're not LE and use your private bridges.
Point. I have been a member of this community for a very long time, just under another name. Besides, a bridge operator will only see that someone is using the bridge to connect to the rest of the Tor network, but it won't know who that someone is or where the traffic is really originating. Happy to help you set up your own bridge, if that's what you want.
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FLAG NEWBIE ACCOUNT! Possible LE.
Try to quote the correct post next time. Like I already wrote in a previous post; I am happy to help you set up your own bridge, if that's what you want. Or just take down those two listings.
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So this is why bitcoin has gone up in value the last few days.... :P
But really.... PayPal? No Encryption? Open Forum? The only surprise is that it took this long. These guys were flaunting it in front of LE and it took them from 2003? I doubt SR has anything to worry about.
But all you people who won't learn to use PGP... You are stupid. It's not that hard. DO IT. THIS is what happens when you don't take your shit seriously. The worst kind of lazy is being to lazy to think. We've all got brains, USE THEM. If you don't, well, you deserve to get busted.
DANGEROUSLY STUPID - It'll fuck you every time.
Words of wisdom.
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Right, we should trust that you're not LE and use your private bridges.
Point. I have been a member of this community for a very long time, just under another name. Besides, a bridge operator will only see that someone is using the bridge to connect to the rest of the Tor network, but it won't know who that someone is or where the traffic is really originating. Happy to help you set up your own bridge, if that's what you want.
Hi fed, bridge operators actually know where that someone is and where the traffic is really originating, nice try though
ps: hope to see you charged with crimes against humanity and sentenced to death by firing squad
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Don't count on it! Hope he isn't the storm trooper kicking in the door
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I would prefer death by snu-snu ;)
And If she is really a he, well, at least we know now how they are trying to get those evil dealers. Long live SR, Tor and snu-snu!
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Right, we should trust that you're not LE and use your private bridges.
Point. I have been a member of this community for a very long time, just under another name. Besides, a bridge operator will only see that someone is using the bridge to connect to the rest of the Tor network, but it won't know who that someone is or where the traffic is really originating. Happy to help you set up your own bridge, if that's what you want.
Hi fed, bridge operators actually know where that someone is and where the traffic is really originating, nice try though
ps: hope to see you charged with crimes against humanity and sentenced to death by firing squad
Yes, this is a seriously bad ideas. So SaraWalker sells you Torbridge access and you, as a vendor, buy it. You don't know it, but she sells you your own Torbridge and now knows the IP where all your access originates. Knock, knock, search warrant. Yikes. Definitely an LE account, her "HappyPills" listing was the final icing on the cake.
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I think they got the UK vendor Jubie420 also
http://www.fifetoday.co.uk/news/local-headlines/glenrothes-man-arrested-as-part-of-international-drugs-investigation-1-2241063#
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I think they got the UK vendor Jubie420 also
http://www.fifetoday.co.uk/news/local-headlines/glenrothes-man-arrested-as-part-of-international-drugs-investigation-1-2241063#
He's not part of the indictment, so hopefully won't be extradited. He could also just be a big customer, maybe it isn't Jubei
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I have no Idea if Jubie was based out of scotland, never used TFM. I haf just been window shopping many times. prices were to high though.
maybe someone knows if jubie dispatched his goods from that area? everything is stamped at the local depot once it is taken in from post boxes and post offices.
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I have no Idea if Jubie was based out of scotland, never used TFM. I haf just been window shopping many times. prices were to high though.
maybe someone knows if jubie dispatched his goods from that area? everything is stamped at the local depot once it is taken in from post boxes and post offices.
I know he was located in the UK, but not sure exactly where. Had good acid :)
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This story's a good wakeup call to get us back in a respectable mindset. We all must do all that we can to protect OURSELVES in the end. Stay anonymous guys!
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Look at this shit:
http://www.thepiponline2.com/
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Look at this shit:
http://www.thepiponline2.com/
LOL!
It was made in front page. You'd have to be a massive idiot to not take the 5 minutes to learn basic html.
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Let's lock this thread already PLEASE..PRETTY PLEASE! :-X
Fuck that place. They deserve to be closed.
Good riddance!!
Now enough about that shit hole.
The market was dirty... they never swept there floor... They never cleaned there bathrooms... There cashiers were junk.
Glad they closed it... Now lets move on.
RxKing: Hates when people keep saying the same shit over and over and over. Unless its about that mother fucking lying, no good shitbag, mother fucking cunt.. the DEAD perky. ;)
RxKing
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Look at this shit:
http://www.thepiponline2.com/
Whats thepiponline2.com anyway? haven't heard of it? And what does it mean to us?
And RxKing....... get over yourself! People are in jail.........over fucked up drug laws:( nothing to celebrate in my book. This has been a informative thread.......you can't be to careful.....you just can't.......peace
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Look at this shit:
http://www.thepiponline2.com/
Whats thepiponline2.com anyway? haven't heard of it? And what does it mean to us?
And RxKing....... get over yourself! People are in jail.........over fucked up drug laws:( nothing to celebrate in my book. This has been a informative thread.......you can't be to careful.....you just can't.......peace
wow.... this has zero to do with me. I don't even know why you would say get over yourself.... And really people are in jail because of our drug laws?? NEWS ALERT NEWS ALERT
We just don't need this shit everyday...no shit people are. But NOT from the road. FACT.
And this talk scares people because most people are idiots. Not saying you sir. Just saying.
And last time I checked. This is a forum you have your opinion( one that is paranoid and points out useless information) and I have mine.
But thank you for pointing out to me our fucked up drug laws in this DRUG FORUM FOR BUYING AND SELLING DRUGS. ILLEGAL DRUGS
For a second I thought I was in a forum for: What is your favorite Brady Bunch episode.
RxKing
btw mine is the 2 part episode to Hawaii..I like part 1
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Well did you know Alice (the housekeeper) is gay? Look I say get over yourself because you come off like you own the place! nothing personal! second: Its more than just a drug forum for some of us. And its good to be paranoid sometimes after a major sting!
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yea i knew she was gay...well actually I assumed she was.. I love that marsha was sucking black cock for coke..TRUE story..awesome..
And you sir MUST have read my post in MY threads.. but you didn't pay attention. That is an act. like ric flair to get attention. It worked and it rubbed some people(i guess your one of them... though I don't know why anyone would care) the wrong way.
The "KING" that post in MY threads is a lot different then this one. See my reviews so far. But this is not about me. I just responded so you would be clear.
And I 100% disagree that after a raid "us" meaning Sr or ANY drug dealer or buyer should be more cautious. When a plane crashes should you then worry about yours crashing? Some people actually do. And those are the same people that watch there package for a day before they pick it up.
I thought these forums were to debate and comment. You gave yours and I gave mine. I never addressed a single person. I never called any 1 person out. I simply stated that this kind of shit needs to stop in here. Again my opinion. I know almost every senior member or higher believes there opinion matter's more then us newbs and you are entitled to believe that if you want . Clearly not all think that.
So I apologize to you if you think I believe" I run shit around here" I know I don't. I only act like that in MY threads.. Well because that is my ring ...and in there I AM KING. In here, I am just a new guy with an opinion. And that's it.
rxking
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Fair enough! Long live the King!.....Marsha Marsha Marsha!
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TY.. and LOL... and she was a piece of ass back then too. To think that 1 year later at 19 she was blowing a drug dealer for an 8 ball is awesome. The fact she wrote a book and admitted it is more awesome. The fact we don't live in the 70's kinda sucks...and I know some of you did. Just sayin..
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http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/the-drugs-in-the-mail-20120426-1xnth.html
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Its unbelievable that LE has done nothing significant to end this conspiracy rofl.
I suppose though with any organizing promoting the distribution of intoxication substances comes a certain amount of veneration.
That article is an excellent statement to what is currently known by LE about our organization as well as a stark reminder IMO on how little can be done to stop it.
Assuming of course everyone maintains a standard of security.
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Having spent the last 8 hours reading this thread, reading the 66 page indictment, all the topix posts by thecloser29 and a bunch of news articles on TFM, it doesn't make sense that TheCloser29 is Jonathan Dugan. Although they are both from NY and deal drugs online, there are some major differences I noticed. TheCloser seems like a petty junky/scammer dealing in H, roxis and opana and other downers without ever mentioning LSD or MDMA. Dugan only supplied a MDMA and LSD (I believe) through TFM. Not to mention Dugan pulled off his online dealing for years while TheCloser is obviously a compulsive liar/manipulator that couldn't keep his business straight for more than a couple months at best - being called a scammer all over the internet, not just here on the road.
Whatever.
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Having spent the last 8 hours reading this thread, reading the 66 page indictment, all the topix posts by thecloser29 and a bunch of news articles on TFM, it doesn't make sense that TheCloser29 is Jonathan Dugan. Although they are both from NY and deal drugs online, there are some major differences I noticed. TheCloser seems like a petty junky/scammer dealing in H, roxis and opana and other downers without ever mentioning LSD or MDMA. Dugan only supplied a MDMA and LSD (I believe) through TFM. Not to mention Dugan pulled off his online dealing for years while TheCloser is obviously a compulsive liar/manipulator that couldn't keep his business straight for more than a couple months at best - being called a scammer all over the internet, not just here on the road.
Whatever.
I had never bought from him, but he at least as far as I know he only mentioned Opana (that he got from his aunt) sociopath for sure. But it wasn't till his sad return did he start peddling H? I hope it wasn't the same guy?
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Although they are both from NY and deal drugs online
there couldn't possibly be 2 DIFFERENT people living in NY selling drugs online though.....could there?
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What will happen with international buyers?
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Although they are both from NY and deal drugs online
there couldn't possibly be 2 DIFFERENT people living in NY selling drugs online though.....could there?
I only brought it up because some people say they are certain that TheCloser and Jonathan Dugan are one and the same.
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I was simply commenting on how people seem to be accepting that Dougan WAS thecloser because they were both from NY. your post just happened to contain a quote that was easy to snip and add my sarcasm to :)
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http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/the-drugs-in-the-mail-20120426-1xnth.html
+1 for posting this article, I enjoyed reading it. Sort of a different take on the usual bullshit written about the online drug market.
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that looney chris from onlinepot.org claims on his site the best lawyer for beating drug charges is waiting for him to arrive which is good seeing how chris charged adam something like $500 a year plus free drugs every month to advertise since 2006 on his crazy man page covered in so many links and ads you can't find any content.
surprised nothing happened to chris surely there must be endless records of him receiving hash and weed in the mail once they cracked the hushmail account. guess it doesn't matter as he's a med patient.
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What's going to happen to the buyers? Will they go after them?
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I have no Idea if Jubie was based out of scotland, never used TFM. I haf just been window shopping many times. prices were to high though.
maybe someone knows if jubie dispatched his goods from that area? everything is stamped at the local depot once it is taken in from post boxes and post offices.
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my first post :)
yes i believe that is jubie420 my m8 purchased twice around a year ago and they where handwritten envelopes postmarked from scotland
What's going to happen to the buyers? Will they go after them?
i wouldnt worry to much unless youve been buying k`s the filth dont care about the small time users they want the suppliers or even better the wholesalers as well as the devs of sites like tfm or sr they want the peeps that are making the money not spending it ! and anyway if they wanna waste £45,000 of there budget kicking my door down for a henry we smoked a yr ago fookin good luck to them lol
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I don't think LE will be able to do anything SR for a long while and won't after this.
Since they "busted" the guys involved with the Farmers market it makes it look like they are actually doing something to stop online drug trading, calming down those who are so fired up about it and then just going to drop the SR thing for a while since they really can't do much to stop this site.
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Yeah........and that's reason to not be as ever vigilant about our security why? It's like the Rise and Fall of Rome, we must always be a few steps ahead of whatever the worst that could happen, or else we all fall. It's way too easy to buy from compromised vendors, it's way too easy to for a vendor to get busted and give up all shipping addresses as collateral, it's way too easy for them use a poker in mail to hopefully puncture an airtight and see if K9 detects anything. Absolutely never let your guard down, and keep innovating.
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just proof that if they can take the market, they can take anyone!
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WOW that was trippy!! i tried to load the farmers market page and i was redirected to the DEA page describing the the operation.
stay safe sr admins!! we love you!!
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WOW that was trippy!! i tried to load the farmers market page and i was redirected to the DEA page describing the the operation.
stay safe sr admins!! we love you!!
whats the farmersmarket url i want to read it
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http://vynox6ys2jjswhxq.onion/
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thanx :)