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Discussion => Off topic => Topic started by: iamonion on April 29, 2013, 01:16 am
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Dear all SR users,
I have seen some disturbing evidence about Atlantis Marketplace.
1. Vladimir is a known scammer here on SR. He ran a ponzi scheme and stole a lot of coin. If you don't believe me, do a quick search of his name.
2. The moderators at AM are deleting user comments! Read again, the moderators at AM are deleting user comments!!! This screams suspect as fuck.
3. The alias Vladimir is tied to a known identity. That is, Vladimir has been identified!
4. Vladimir is known to have strong ties with Limitless.
If I do recall, Vlad is also known to having ties with another huge SR scammer that offered laundering information among other things. I can't remember the name, but feel free to comment here if you have it.
If this Vladimir is the same Vlad that used to frequent this site, then it is awfully fucking arrogant of him to pull such a large scam then use the funds to make a site dedicated to over running SR. That is right, it is possible that the stolen money from this site is being used to find the development of AM.
It is also awfully fucking odd that SR is getting attacked with the DDoS for months leading up to the creation of AM. I suspect that AM was in development by these shady fucks when SR initially began getting the DDoS. It only makes sense that AM would be sure to show that SR is not stable for a few months leading up to the creation of AM. It also makes sense that AM was able to secure this continuous DDoS attack by using the funds scammed here on SR.
Please do not do business on AM.
It is run by a known scammer.
The mods are deleting critical forum posts and censoring the community (stinks of fucking scammers.)
The integrated encryption IS NOT SAFE AT ALL.
To you fellows who plan to frequent those forums, please keep a look out for boisterous and flamboyant "big players" in the scene. Pay special attention to those who have a tendency to type like they are English. This will most likely be Limitless. Don't be surprised if Limitless shows up as a key player in the marketplace.
I URGE YOU ALL TO PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE REVIEW THE IDENTITIES OF VLADIMIR AND ANY OTHER KEY PLAYER AND MAKE ONLY HIGHLY INFORMED DECISIONS.
Just because SR has done you well so far, doesn't mean it is time to get complacent and get caught the fuck up.
Love,
Onion.
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More reasons to be suspect (I will update this as I see fit.)
Keep giving me the neg, I don't give a fuck 8).
1. Requiring home country to be declared truthfully in order to see proper delivery of items.
2. Mods will delete any forum posts that are critical of their website.
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What was his previous username/s here on the forums?
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His known alias on sr is the same as his current alias.
He has gone by Vladimir since day one on SR. He went by Vladimir on clearnet, even going so far as to use the same forum image (up close Guy Fawkes). This is how his identity was discovered.
I am doing schoolwork so I don't have too much time to dig around the forums, but his foolish use of the alias and image led to the discovery of his "true" identity. Could it have been the wrong person? Sure. These forum posts may have been deleted by mods for their inclusion of known identities.
Please make informed decisions SR users!
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wasnt limitess a mod here? when did he turn scammer? i must have missed that thread
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Just read the Atlantis disclaimer...
"You agree, through your use of this forum, that you will not post any material which is ... stuff ... or otherwise in violation of any International or United States Federal law."
"The owners of this forum also reserve the right to reveal your identity (or any other related information collected on this service) in the event of a formal complaint or legal action arising from any situation caused by your use of this forum."
"Please note that with each post, your IP address is recorded, in the event that you need to be banned from this forum or your ISP contacted. This will only happen in the event of a major violation of this agreement."
Sounds pretty dubious to me.....
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"The owners of this forum also reserve the right to reveal your identity (or any other related information collected on this service) in the event of a formal complaint or legal action arising from any situation caused by your use of this forum."
That alone should prevent anyone from signing up. I had considered opening my store on Atlantis, so my customers could place their orders anytime SR went down. Now that will never happen.
QM
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The Vladimir over here was "Vlad1m1r" and I must admit he made some pretty newb mistakes. Either he got busted or he turned scammer, one of those. In any case I don't think there's any evidence their "Vladimir" is the same person.
If it is, then Atlantis are sort of seriously fucked lol. This was a guy who did CIM as a BTC exchanger for SR, and didn't wear gloves. He talked a good game, but didn't really do his research or have an actual, you know, plan. If this is the same Vlad, that won't have changed.
As for Limetless, does he know you're saying he's jumped ship? I've PMed him so we'll see what he has to say about that.
I must admit though, some things about Atlantis are seriously weird.
Take this for example, it's their forum registration bullshit you have to sign before joining up:
Registration Agreement
You agree, through your use of this forum, that you will not post any material which is false, defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, adult material, or otherwise in violation of any International or United States Federal law. You also agree not to post any copyrighted material unless you own the copyright or you have written consent from the owner of the copyrighted material. Spam, flooding, advertisements, chain letters, pyramid schemes, and solicitations are also forbidden on this forum.
Note that it is impossible for the staff or the owners of this forum to confirm the validity of posts. Please remember that we do not actively monitor the posted messages, and as such, are not responsible for the content contained within. We do not warrant the accuracy, completeness, or usefulness of any information presented. The posted messages express the views of the author, and not necessarily the views of this forum, its staff, its subsidiaries, or this forum's owner. Anyone who feels that a posted message is objectionable is encouraged to notify an administrator or moderator of this forum immediately. The staff and the owner of this forum reserve the right to remove objectionable content, within a reasonable time frame, if they determine that removal is necessary. This is a manual process, however, please realize that they may not be able to remove or edit particular messages immediately. This policy applies to member profile information as well.
You remain solely responsible for the content of your posted messages. Furthermore, you agree to indemnify and hold harmless the owners of this forum, any related websites to this forum, its staff, and its subsidiaries. The owners of this forum also reserve the right to reveal your identity (or any other related information collected on this service) in the event of a formal complaint or legal action arising from any situation caused by your use of this forum.
You have the ability, as you register, to choose your username. We advise that you keep the name appropriate. With this user account you are about to register, you agree to never give your password out to another person except an administrator, for your protection and for validity reasons. You also agree to NEVER use another person's account for any reason. We also HIGHLY recommend you use a complex and unique password for your account, to prevent account theft.
After you register and login to this forum, you will be able to fill out a detailed profile. It is your responsibility to present clean and accurate information. Any information the forum owner or staff determines to be inaccurate or vulgar in nature will be removed, with or without prior notice. Appropriate sanctions may be applicable.
Please note that with each post, your IP address is recorded, in the event that you need to be banned from this forum or your ISP contacted. This will only happen in the event of a major violation of this agreement.
Also note that the software places a cookie, a text file containing bits of information (such as your username and password), in your browser's cache. This is ONLY used to keep you logged in/out. The software does not collect or send any other form of information to your computer.
Tell me that whole thing isn't weird. :D
I have a thread on reddit about it all:
http://www.reddit.com/r/SilkRoad/comments/1db7vc/pgpclub_and_a_critique_of_atlantis_also_pine_ama/
I have no problem with free market competition. But that does not include DOS on your competitors. The admins of Atlantis should make a statement about whether they are involved in that or not instead of sitting there preening themselves with their sockpuppets and astroturfed marketplace vendors. They should do so out of their own interest, otherwise this DOS could be a DEA ploy to get the two marketplaces to clash and begin a hackerwar for no reason.
SR and BlackMarketReloaded have been competing for ages, backopy and DPR don't have issues with each other, just mutual respect, so competition isn't the issue. Being a bunch of jerks, is. Atlantis certainly have not endeared themselves to me and I strongly get the sour grapes vibe after visiting their forum recently. That is what I don't understand, because there's infinitely more marketplace to go around by breaking into the traditional black market in RL, get those people on board. I can't understand why they even think SR is the main competition. They carp about how they are only in it for the money, but I'm not seeing them do anything other than attempt to poach SR customers, which is lame. Everybody should be working on cracking open the IOP market, the bitcoin OTC market, and the multi-billion dollar trade known as the RL black market.
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Definitely an important topic here if all is true.
Thanks for posting this! I'm never going to sign up now.
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fuck atlantis
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I want you people to realize something. There is software on the market that can crack PGP. Some of you already know of it. LE has it. If Atlantis is a DEA honeypot, then even if you use PGP when transferring your personal information, they could still be saving and decrypting every single one of your messages.
I believe that Atlantis is a DEA honeypot and that the DDOS attacks are being made in order to drive users to Atlantis, where the DEA will have access to all of their communications due to the fact that they can crack your PGP.
http://www.elcomsoft.com/efdd.html
That's the software. If you put in an order over Atlantis, then they can store your PGP message and decrypt it at their leisure using this software.
wtf!? Thanks for posting that link. I had no fucking clue.
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I want you people to realize something. There is software on the market that can crack PGP. Some of you already know of it. LE has it. If Atlantis is a DEA honeypot, then even if you use PGP when transferring your personal information, they could still be saving and decrypting every single one of your messages.
I believe that Atlantis is a DEA honeypot and that the DDOS attacks are being made in order to drive users to Atlantis, where the DEA will have access to all of their communications due to the fact that they can crack your PGP.
http://www.elcomsoft.com/efdd.html
That's the software. If you put in an order over Atlantis, then they can store your PGP message and decrypt it at their leisure using this software.
wtf!? Thanks for posting that link. I had no fucking clue.
Interesting but it'd be even more ideal if this info isn't out there where LE that might not know can read it.
Any chance of a delete plox?
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I want you people to realize something. There is software on the market that can crack PGP. Some of you already know of it. LE has it. If Atlantis is a DEA honeypot, then even if you use PGP when transferring your personal information, they could still be saving and decrypting every single one of your messages.
I believe that Atlantis is a DEA honeypot and that the DDOS attacks are being made in order to drive users to Atlantis, where the DEA will have access to all of their communications due to the fact that they can crack your PGP.
http://www.elcomsoft.com/efdd.html
That's the software. If you put in an order over Atlantis, then they can store your PGP message and decrypt it at their leisure using this software.
wtf!? Thanks for posting that link. I had no fucking clue.
Interesting but it'd be even more ideal if this info isn't out there where LE that might not know can read it.
Any chance of a delete plox?
Lol, delete please? Are you serious?
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LOL !
I signed up on Atlantis just to look.
Took me 5 minutes before logging out after noticing MiMM, Aaard and Peopledrugstore, 3 SR banned vendors.
/facepalm
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I want you people to realize something. There is software on the market that can crack PGP. Some of you already know of it. LE has it. If Atlantis is a DEA honeypot, then even if you use PGP when transferring your personal information, they could still be saving and decrypting every single one of your messages.
I believe that Atlantis is a DEA honeypot and that the DDOS attacks are being made in order to drive users to Atlantis, where the DEA will have access to all of their communications due to the fact that they can crack your PGP.
http://www.elcomsoft.com/efdd.html
That's the software. If you put in an order over Atlantis, then they can store your PGP message and decrypt it at their leisure using this software.
I suddenly feel naked...
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I have no problem with free market competition. But that does not include DOS on your competitors. The admins of Atlantis should make a statement about whether they are involved in that or not instead of sitting there preening themselves with their sockpuppets and astroturfed marketplace vendors. They should do so out of their own interest, otherwise this DOS could be a DEA ploy to get the two marketplaces to clash and begin a hackerwar for no reason.
... wtf? Is this a joke, Pine -- aren't you still a proponent of anarchy...? However you define such a system, I don't understand how you can possibly say that a denial of service attack on a competitor is at all questionable. I've seen you talk about isolated state-like entities in a future anarchic world using modern weapons on each other for God's sake. What... who... what in God's name... I -- I am so confused by you right now I don't know what to think let alone say :o How is this not cognitive dissonance?
As for the PGP cracking software, it's not as effective as they make it out to be. Yes, it works in certain circumstances, but it's nothing nearly as scary as simply stripping away the encryption with ease. Use a safe key size (e.g. 2048+ bit RSA) and don't allow them to gain access to your machine and you're perfectly safe. They can't wave a magic wand and crack that.
Now I have no clue who the fuck did what or not here, but to say they can decrypt PGP encrypted data as though it weren't encrypted is a lie.
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Good SelfSovereignty. Their advertisement made it sound like a magic wand. I've been under the impression for years that 4096 bit RSA will be safe for long while. I feel like I'm back in my army tank 8) Sounds like it's just trying to brute force the password ::)
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It can only decrypt if it has the passphrase and key to do the decryption. It can recover a deleted key from disk if not overwritten properly.
Thats it.
No more.
No need to worry. (With a good passphrase OFC)
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anyone know how i can delete my atlantis account?
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anyone know how i can delete my atlantis account?
No but as long as you signed up with a different password then you have nothing to worry about.
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haha shiiiiiit, changing passwords on here now....
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Interesting but it'd be even more ideal if this info isn't out there where LE that might not know can read it.
Any chance of a delete plox?
Security through obscurity doesn't work. However, I'm not convinced that program can be used in a manner which can decrypt PGP messages without having immediate access to the host system. Keep in mind the software mentioned requires that an attack be performed in order to get access to the users encryption keys. In order to initiate this attack, the forensic analyst must do one of the following:
1. Analyze the hibernation file on the host system. A web-server wouldn't have access to this file and even if it did, it is several gigabytes in size and would take forever to upload to the web-server in order to be analyzed.
2. Access to a memory dump file. This file is much smaller but once again, unless your system is infected with a virus, a web-server won't be able to gain access to these dump files.
3. A Firewire attack. This requires LOCAL hardware access to the suspects computer. (The encrypted volume MUST already be mounted, otherwise this attack won't work)
I'm very familiar with computer security and I'm unaware of any PGP attack that can be used on a remote server. Even with local access, the above attack will only work IF the encryption keys have been stored in the hibernation file or memory dump files. In fact: If you're smart you're using Linux on a bootable USB key which means you effectively eliminate this type of attack.
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Just spotted that Atlantis moderators are deleting what seems like all posts that ask security based questions. It kinda makes me a little wary.
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LOL !
I signed up on Atlantis just to look.
Took me 5 minutes before logging out after noticing MiMM, Aaard and Peopledrugstore, 3 SR banned vendors.
/facepalm
No idea who peoplesdrugstore is, but MiMM and Aard are vendors on SR right now, and have not been banned.
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anyone able to post their url please. i signed up with them ages ago and want to make sure i didnt use same login details.
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LOL !
I signed up on Atlantis just to look.
Took me 5 minutes before logging out after noticing MiMM, Aaard and Peopledrugstore, 3 SR banned vendors.
/facepalm
No idea who peoplesdrugstore is, but MiMM and Aard are vendors on SR right now, and have not been banned.
Not even sure it is MiMM as if you look his e-mail listed is different and he's hidden MiMM's logo on all the products. Then also note all his prices are quoted about 20% higher and only with tracking shipped options, suggesting he's a middleman who MiMM might not even know he sells to.
EDIT: Prices seem to be the same now, maybe it is him who knows
People fearmongering about the T & C they have are being idiots. Do you really think if this was LE run they would need some stupid "Your identity will be recorded and may be reported to the authorities" clause to do that? If they were professional LEO do you think they'd put some silly mention like that. The message is obviously just the default T & C of the website package they're using, especially seeing as it mentions your IP being recorded and that's kind of pointless when you're using TOR...
At the end of the day we're registered because it provides us with a back up place to sell if anything were to happen to SR, we will be staying on SR though and primarily using SR as it's long established as the leader. As long as the correct security procedures are undertaken it is safe regardless of who is operating it.
PGP encrypt your address, do not trust them to do it.
Don't use any of the same passwords there.
Don't use the same usernames unless you're a vendor.
If you do this the only thing you will be risking is the money you put on their site (or don't)
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anyone able to post their url please. i signed up with them ages ago and want to make sure i didnt use same login details.
just change the info on sr, much easier and safer
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yeah i'll have to wait until its back up.
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Just read the Atlantis disclaimer...
"You agree, through your use of this forum, that you will not post any material which is ... stuff ... or otherwise in violation of any International or United States Federal law."
"The owners of this forum also reserve the right to reveal your identity (or any other related information collected on this service) in the event of a formal complaint or legal action arising from any situation caused by your use of this forum."
"Please note that with each post, your IP address is recorded, in the event that you need to be banned from this forum or your ISP contacted. This will only happen in the event of a major violation of this agreement."
Sounds pretty dubious to me.....
Is it possible that they mean your actual IP address will be recorded?
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not really diggin atlantis at all, seems as if a lot of people dont like it. weird... maybe ill try it once tons of good reviews come back in (which they prob wont) judging from the site itself. i do like that it has 2 currency forms to choose from though (litecoin and bitcoin) it seems like a good idea. maybe sr should try that out
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If anyone has saved msgs w/ Vlad1m1r or can dig up any posts besides one in a thread regarding a first time buyer in the UK please contact me ASAP via PM, or hop onto chat.
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Seems to me these people are the same attacking SR.
And that disclaimer does smell fishy.
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I refuse to make an account there. I would rather be proven wrong 100 times(and atlantis turn out legit) than being right once(and e right that atlantis is a scam/dea).
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asshole kids ;)
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LOL !
I signed up on Atlantis just to look.
Took me 5 minutes before logging out after noticing MiMM, Aaard and Peopledrugstore, 3 SR banned vendors.
/facepalm
No idea who peoplesdrugstore is, but MiMM and Aard are vendors on SR right now, and have not been banned.
Not even sure it is MiMM as if you look his e-mail listed is different and he's hidden MiMM's logo on all the products. Then also note all his prices are quoted about 20% higher and only with tracking shipped options, suggesting he's a middleman who MiMM might not even know he sells to.
EDIT: Prices seem to be the same now, maybe it is him who knows
People fearmongering about the T & C they have are being idiots. Do you really think if this was LE run they would need some stupid "Your identity will be recorded and may be reported to the authorities" clause to do that? If they were professional LEO do you think they'd put some silly mention like that. The message is obviously just the default T & C of the website package they're using, especially seeing as it mentions your IP being recorded and that's kind of pointless when you're using TOR...
At the end of the day we're registered because it provides us with a back up place to sell if anything were to happen to SR, we will be staying on SR though and primarily using SR as it's long established as the leader. As long as the correct security procedures are undertaken it is safe regardless of who is operating it.
PGP encrypt your address, do not trust them to do it.
Don't use any of the same passwords there.
Don't use the same usernames unless you're a vendor.
If you do this the only thing you will be risking is the money you put on their site (or don't)
Absolutely correct ...and the next bitch whining about a standard forums disclaimer whicht wasnt changed by them ( isn't SR forum still asking me about my ICQ Number roflmao) and our 4096 PGP key being cracked by some publicly avaliable shareware will have his brain obducted by nothing than sheer Bungee54 willpower...also we steal all of SR Money using ONLY our teethbrush...
The only weird thing here is spreading FUD without even doing a simple google/forum search and the talk about DDOS which is not possible on TOR. (correct us if wrong, but we dd our research some time ago).
We welcome any competition and will try to always have our Products offered on any Market available..
As pine put it correctly ->
LET'S WORK ON cracking open the IOP market, the bitcoin OTC market, and the multi-billion dollar trade known as the RL black market.
Anyone can explain what IOP Means ? IntelligenceOperations?
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Are you guys even looking at the same site?
http://atlmlxbk2mbupwgr.onion/index.php?topic=227.0
http://atlmlxbk2mbupwgr.onion/index.php?topic=118.0
They seem pretty reasonable to me considering that they are right and almost all of what is on this thread is wrong. This thread proves the greater internet fuckwad theory.
http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/03/19
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keep away ! keep away !
Sorry superstar, you are banned from using this forum!
Trolling the forum, breaking forum rules.
This ban is not set to expire.
I only asked a few questions
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keep away ! keep away !
Sorry superstar, you are banned from using this forum!
Trolling the forum, breaking forum rules.
This ban is not set to expire.
I only asked a few questions
I saw your "question" before they deleted it. "Heil Hitler" was your question? Come off it man.
Given the amount of shit you have been sending samesamebutdifferent's way the only reason you are not banned here too is that the mods here aren't able to ban users.
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keep away ! keep away !
Sorry superstar, you are banned from using this forum!
Trolling the forum, breaking forum rules.
This ban is not set to expire.
I only asked a few questions
I saw your "question" before they deleted it. "Heil Hitler" was your question? Come off it man.
Given the amount of shit you have been sending samesamebutdifferent's way the only reason you are not banned here too is that the mods here aren't able to ban users.
Sorry? I said why do you keep deleting posts snell snell , never ever did I say heil hitler , so fuk off man & get your facts straight.sending samesame shit.? wtf.
you one of the A boot boys then nanpa? or just a lover boy :-*
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keep away ! keep away !
Sorry superstar, you are banned from using this forum!
Trolling the forum, breaking forum rules.
This ban is not set to expire.
I only asked a few questions
I saw your "question" before they deleted it. "Heil Hitler" was your question? Come off it man.
Given the amount of shit you have been sending samesamebutdifferent's way the only reason you are not banned here too is that the mods here aren't able to ban users.
Sorry? I said why do you keep deleting posts snell snell , never ever did I say heil hitler , so fuk off man & get your facts straight.sending samesame shit.? wtf.
you one of the A boot boys then nanpa? or just a lover boy :-*
So you wrote snell snell, achtung achtung, seig heil, and so on, but never wrote Heil Hitler? I thought I saw it there, but since it has been deleted, I can't verify it. It does seem highly likely a Heil Hitler goes with those other words.
Anyway, you trolled their forums and you got banned. I wish the mods would ban you here too.
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keep away ! keep away !
Sorry superstar, you are banned from using this forum!
Trolling the forum, breaking forum rules.
This ban is not set to expire.
I only asked a few questions
I saw your "question" before they deleted it. "Heil Hitler" was your question? Come off it man.
Given the amount of shit you have been sending samesamebutdifferent's way the only reason you are not banned here too is that the mods here aren't able to ban users.
Sorry? I said why do you keep deleting posts snell snell , never ever did I say heil hitler , so fuk off man & get your facts straight.sending samesame shit.? wtf.
you one of the A boot boys then nanpa? or just a lover boy :-*
So you wrote snell snell, achtung achtung, seig heil, and so on, but never wrote Heil Hitler? I thought I saw it there, but since it has been deleted, I can't verify it. It does seem highly likely a Heil Hitler goes with those other words.
Anyway, you trolled their forums and you got banned. I wish the mods would ban you here too.
[ e d i t . ]
On another note, it seems the mods over there are banning acc./s and deleting posts without any discipline so what would be the point even THINKING of going over there. If their forum is like that then their market is obviously too problematic to even consider.
Piece, Love, and Fuck Haters.
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keep away ! keep away !
Sorry superstar, you are banned from using this forum!
Trolling the forum, breaking forum rules.
This ban is not set to expire.
I only asked a few questions
I saw your "question" before they deleted it. "Heil Hitler" was your question? Come off it man.
Given the amount of shit you have been sending samesamebutdifferent's way the only reason you are not banned here too is that the mods here aren't able to ban users.
Sorry? I said why do you keep deleting posts snell snell , never ever did I say heil hitler , so fuk off man & get your facts straight.sending samesame shit.? wtf.
you one of the A boot boys then nanpa? or just a lover boy :-*
So you wrote snell snell, achtung achtung, seig heil, and so on, but never wrote Heil Hitler? I thought I saw it there, but since it has been deleted, I can't verify it. It does seem highly likely a Heil Hitler goes with those other words.
Anyway, you trolled their forums and you got banned. I wish the mods would ban you here too.
fuk sake . sieg heil now .wtf
I said
snell = quick
auctung = attention
I then asked 2 times on 2 different threads why are you deleting my post. and in your books thats trolling
do us all a favor mate and stop. we get it. your a paid spammer for atlantnos. go get your 0.1 btc you derseve it
Now dont use this site folks . Stay safe on the road?
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This is not the SR forum. We do things differently here and we are aiming for a better sort of conversation here. If you want SR forum rules, then the SR forum is for you. Like I said, we are different. Like it or leave it.
I think this moderator has a few mental issues. Does he even want this site to survive long enough for his next trip to the toilet? :o
Piece, Love, and Fuck Haters.
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This is not the SR forum. We do things differently here and we are aiming for a better sort of conversation here. If you want SR forum rules, then the SR forum is for you. Like I said, we are different. Like it or leave it.
I think this moderator has a few mental issues. Does he even want this site to survive long enough for his next trip to the toilet? :o
Piece, Love, and Fuck Haters.
dare I say little hitler syndrome. :D : ok sorry will get my jacket. ;D
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LOL !
I signed up on Atlantis just to look.
Took me 5 minutes before logging out after noticing MiMM, Aaard and Peopledrugstore, 3 SR banned vendors.
/facepalm
Has MIMM been banned from SR???
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Just read the Atlantis disclaimer...
"You agree, through your use of this forum, that you will not post any material which is ... stuff ... or otherwise in violation of any International or United States Federal law."
"The owners of this forum also reserve the right to reveal your identity (or any other related information collected on this service) in the event of a formal complaint or legal action arising from any situation caused by your use of this forum."
"Please note that with each post, your IP address is recorded, in the event that you need to be banned from this forum or your ISP contacted. This will only happen in the event of a major violation of this agreement."
Sounds pretty dubious to me.....
Is it possible that they mean your actual IP address will be recorded?
I don't know.... it doesn't seem to even make sense to me at all. The ISP from Tor is useless, only a clearnet ISP would be of use and if you are not accessing this via onion.to (only those brand new to Tor do this) then what exactly do they think they will accomplish. Either way, it sounds incredibly dodgy.
Piece, Love, and Fuck Haters.
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LOL !
I signed up on Atlantis just to look.
Took me 5 minutes before logging out after noticing MiMM, Aaard and Peopledrugstore, 3 SR banned vendors.
/facepalm
Has MIMM been banned from SR???
MiMM isn't banned, and neither is Aard. Never heard of the other one.
Almost nothing in this thread is true, including talk of MiMM being banned.
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LOL !
I signed up on Atlantis just to look.
Took me 5 minutes before logging out after noticing MiMM, Aaard and Peopledrugstore, 3 SR banned vendors.
/facepalm
Has MIMM been banned from SR???
MiMM isn't banned, and neither is Aard. Never heard of the other one.
Almost nothing in this thread is true, including talk of MiMM being banned.
The truth it out there.
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Someone else would have said it, but they haven't yet, but, the sign-up agreement is taken from our forum, and 'Cicero' is the name of the leading authority on the Golden Dawn. Have a look at our agreement and tell me it has not been copy-pasted and then edited and added to.
There I said it. ::)
Piece, Love, and Fuck Haters.
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Someone else would have said it, but they haven't yet, but, the sign-up agreement is taken from our forum, and 'Cicero' is the name of the leading authority on the Golden Dawn. Have a look at our agreement and tell me it has not been copy-pasted and then edited and added to.
There I said it. ::)
Someone else pointed that out in another thread earlier this week. ;)
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Someone else would have said it, but they haven't yet, but, the sign-up agreement is taken from our forum, and 'Cicero' is the name of the leading authority on the Golden Dawn. Have a look at our agreement and tell me it has not been copy-pasted and then edited and added to.
There I said it. ::)
Someone else pointed that out in another thread earlier this week. ;)
What is the Golden Dawn? Is it some sort of drug? Am I the only one that doesn't know what that sentence means? LOL.
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Before I knew about SR I used to order drugs off a similar but lesser known service which also had a customer forum. The trouble with their forum was that it was moderated by people who were clearly on some sort of online power trip, as they had ridiculously tight rules on what you could post and basically anything perceived as remotely critical or discussion about emerging competitors would get your posts removed and the mods would immediately threaten a ban in a very rude and immature way. The way they ran their forum pissed me off to the point of just going back to street buying for a year or so, that is until I found SR in late 2011.
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Someone else would have said it, but they haven't yet, but, the sign-up agreement is taken from our forum, and 'Cicero' is the name of the leading authority on the Golden Dawn. Have a look at our agreement and tell me it has not been copy-pasted and then edited and added to.
There I said it. ::)
Someone else pointed that out in another thread earlier this week. ;)
What is the Golden Dawn? Is it some sort of drug? Am I the only one that doesn't know what that sentence means? LOL.
I started laughing out loud! I have no idea what that is. Any relation to the Golden Lotus?? I was talking about the copied user agreement hahaha
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Someone else would have said it, but they haven't yet, but, the sign-up agreement is taken from our forum, and 'Cicero' is the name of the leading authority on the Golden Dawn. Have a look at our agreement and tell me it has not been copy-pasted and then edited and added to.
There I said it. ::)
Someone else pointed that out in another thread earlier this week. ;)
What is the Golden Dawn? Is it some sort of drug? Am I the only one that doesn't know what that sentence means? LOL.
I started laughing out loud! I have no idea what that is. Any relation to the Golden Lotus?? I was talking about the copied user agreement hahaha
that the cousin of the golden shower
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Someone else would have said it, but they haven't yet, but, the sign-up agreement is taken from our forum, and 'Cicero' is the name of the leading authority on the Golden Dawn. Have a look at our agreement and tell me it has not been copy-pasted and then edited and added to.
There I said it. ::)
Someone else pointed that out in another thread earlier this week. ;)
They did? I haven't clicked on anything on the main page except My Messages all week. Okay, I said it second.
Piece, Love, and Fuck Haters.
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Golden shower?
We occasionally ban people here, and lock threads... but DPR and the mods are free handed enough where you can generally exercise your right to free speech here. Plenty of threads wondering if this mod or that is a scammer or if DPR will run off with all the loot. Pretty funny stuff, and it's all a part of our history.
ASKY is just trouble. Mark my words.
Too much fishiness associated with their launch, they're using everything they've got to gain customers from here, from trash talking SR to carefully trimming their forums and possibly even attacking SR. No one will ever know, unless someone comes clean, who was actually attacking the road, but it seems all to convenient.
Oh, Razor... ISP means Internet Service Provider. The ones you pay for your internet access. I think you just meant IP?
I would say though, that even though BMR is pretty crappy, it is WAY safer than ASKY.
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Someone else would have said it, but they haven't yet, but, the sign-up agreement is taken from our forum, and 'Cicero' is the name of the leading authority on the Golden Dawn. Have a look at our agreement and tell me it has not been copy-pasted and then edited and added to.
There I said it. ::)
Someone else pointed that out in another thread earlier this week. ;)
What is the Golden Dawn? Is it some sort of drug? Am I the only one that doesn't know what that sentence means? LOL.
Golden Dawn was an old society that was disbanded a long time ago. They were in to spiritual practices. Cicero tried to revive it, or at least made his own take on it. Nuff said.
Piece, Love, and Fuck Haters.
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Before I knew about SR I used to order drugs off a similar but lesser known service which also had a customer forum. The trouble with their forum was that it was moderated by people who were clearly on some sort of online power trip, as they had ridiculously tight rules on what you could post and basically anything perceived as remotely critical or discussion about emerging competitors would get your posts removed and the mods would immediately threaten a ban in a very rude and immature way. The way they ran their forum pissed me off to the point of just going back to street buying for a year or so, that is until I found SR in late 2011.
Uh huh. I can think of a closely related site that does that and that is the reason it has all but died off. I predict the same for Atlantis. The mod Cicero seems sexually frustrated, no offense if he reads this. If you cannot control modding the forums without deleting everything you don't agree with, and saying you can "take it or leave it", how does he expect people to have confidence buying there?
Piece, Love, and Fuck Haters.
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Someone else would have said it, but they haven't yet, but, the sign-up agreement is taken from our forum, and 'Cicero' is the name of the leading authority on the Golden Dawn. Have a look at our agreement and tell me it has not been copy-pasted and then edited and added to.
There I said it. ::)
Piece, Love, and Fuck Haters.
are you referring to the neo-Nazi Golden Dawn party? Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn?
Referring to Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn. Yeah, I read up a bit on the neo-Nazi party. I thought it was a joke at first, but they are a legitimate (so to speak) political party in Greek politics. They have very bad reps. Very bad everything. They also have a very bad flag.
UIoopee, Locvddde, amdnn Fuck GAterr.
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I want you people to realize something. There is software on the market that can crack PGP. Some of you already know of it. LE has it. If Atlantis is a DEA honeypot, then even if you use PGP when transferring your personal information, they could still be saving and decrypting every single one of your messages.
I believe that Atlantis is a DEA honeypot and that the DDOS attacks are being made in order to drive users to Atlantis, where the DEA will have access to all of their communications due to the fact that they can crack your PGP.
http://www.elcomsoft.com/efdd.html
That's the software. If you put in an order over Atlantis, then they can store your PGP message and decrypt it at their leisure using this software.
Looking at the description for that decryption product, if I understand correctly, it appears to need the entire hard drive to unencrypt. I don't think they can take just a PGP-encrytped message by itself and unencrypt it with that software:
"Three Ways to Acquire Encryption Keys
Elcomsoft Forensic Disk Decryptor needs the original encryption keys in order to access protected information stored in crypto containers. The encryption keys can be derived from hibernation files or memory dump files acquired while the encrypted volume was mounted. There are three ways available to acquire the original encryption keys:
By analyzing the hibernation file (if the PC being analyzed is turned off);
By analyzing a memory dump file *
By performing a FireWire attack ** (PC being analyzed must be running with encrypted volumes mounted).
* A memory dump of a running PC can be acquired with one of the readily available forensic tools such as MoonSols Windows Memory Toolkit
** A free tool launched on investigator’s PC is required to perform the FireWire attack (e.g. Inception)
Acquiring Encryption Keys
Generally, the choice of one of the three attacks depends on the running state of the PC being analyzed. It also depends on whether or not installation of a forensic tool is possible on a PC under investigation.
If the PC being investigated is turned off, the encryption keys can be retrieved from the hibernation file. The encrypted volume must be mounted before the computer went to sleep. If the volume is dismounted before hibernation, the encryption keys may not be derived from the hibernation file.
If the PC is turned on, a memory dump can be taken with any forensic tool if installation of such tool is permitted (e.g. the PC is unlocked and logged-in account has administrative privileges). The encrypted volume must be mounted at the time of memory dump acquisition. Good description of this technology (and complete list of free and commercial memory acquisition tools) is available at http://www.forensicswiki.org/wiki/Tools:Memory_Imaging.
Finally, if the PC being investigated is turned on but installing forensic tools is not possible (e.g. the PC is locked or logged-in account lacks administrative privileges), a remote attack via a FireWire port can be performed in order to obtain a memory dump. This attack requires the use of a free third-party tool (such as Inception: http://www.breaknenter.org/projects/inception/), and offers near 100% results due to the implementation of FireWire protocol that enables direct memory access. Both the target PC and the computer used for acquisition must have FireWire (IEEE 1394) ports.
Once the original encryption keys are acquired, Elcomsoft Forensic Disk Decryptor stores the keys for future access, and offers an option to either decrypt the entire content of encrypted container or mount the protected disk as another drive letter for real-time access."
See they need access to the hard drive of the machine that was used to create the key.
Or am I wrong? I could be wrong.
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Golden shower?
We occasionally ban people here, and lock threads... but DPR and the mods are free handed enough where you can generally exercise your right to free speech here. Plenty of threads wondering if this mod or that is a scammer or if DPR will run off with all the loot. Pretty funny stuff, and it's all a part of our history.
ASKY is just trouble. Mark my words.
Too much fishiness associated with their launch, they're using everything they've got to gain customers from here, from trash talking SR to carefully trimming their forums and possibly even attacking SR. No one will ever know, unless someone comes clean, who was actually attacking the road, but it seems all to convenient.
Oh, Razor... ISP means Internet Service Provider. The ones you pay for your internet access. I think you just meant IP?
I would say though, that even though BMR is pretty crappy, it is WAY safer than ASKY.
Lol, no, I did not mean golden shower. ::) Banning people? You're right, it is very occasional, if done at all. Don't they have a policy against that? Besides, I think you might get a warning or something. Maybe. Not sure. The 2 people on this thread banned at Atlantis were banned for no reason at all, and without even warning. And within 1 second of joining up, virtually. Who here on Silk Road places orders within 1 second? Even Superman couldn't place his Speed order in that amount of time.
Locking threads more common, but still occasional.
Lol, yeah I know ISP means Internet Service Provider, I think the guy said IP though didn't he? The acronym stands for "Instant Pig". It means if they know your IP, the PIGS know your IP. It's like ordereing pizza, but instead of getting pizza, you get a pig at your door with an arrest warrant. Very bad for business.
Piece, Locde, and Fvk HAters/
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This thread is fucking gay lol, ya go offline for a few hours and another crack'ed surfaces.
Ironically last time I was on I was discussing Atlantis looking shady with other vendors, OP is a moron.
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I want you people to realize something. There is software on the market that can crack PGP. Some of you already know of it. LE has it. If Atlantis is a DEA honeypot, then even if you use PGP when transferring your personal information, they could still be saving and decrypting every single one of your messages.
I believe that Atlantis is a DEA honeypot and that the DDOS attacks are being made in order to drive users to Atlantis, where the DEA will have access to all of their communications due to the fact that they can crack your PGP.
http://www.elcomsoft.com/efdd.html
That's the software. If you put in an order over Atlantis, then they can store your PGP message and decrypt it at their leisure using this software.
Most of the Elcomsoft software range is freely available to download from TPB, you can try to crack your own PGP message or TrueCrypt container...
http://jntlesnev5o7zysa.onion/torrent/6957453/ElcomSoft.Password.Recovery.Bundle.Forensic.Edition.v2012(Murlok
http://jntlesnev5o7zysa.onion/torrent/6964948/Elcomsoft_System_Recovery_Professional_v3.0_-_ISO
http://jntlesnev5o7zysa.onion/torrent/6964061/ElcomSoft.Password.Recovery.Bundle.Forensic.Edition.v2012-DOAISO
http://jntlesnev5o7zysa.onion/torrent/6949473/Elcomsoft_Advanced_Office_Password_Recovery_5.04_with_Serial
http://jntlesnev5o7zysa.onion/torrent/7523712/Elcomsoft_Phone_Password_Breaker_Professional_1.85.1374___serial
http://jntlesnev5o7zysa.onion/torrent/8130449/Elcomsoft_Forensic_Disk_Decryptor_v1.0.110_with_Key_%5BTorDigger%5D
http://jntlesnev5o7zysa.onion/torrent/7442649/Elcomsoft_Wireless_Security_Auditor_Professional_v5.0.252___crac
http://jntlesnev5o7zysa.onion/torrent/5199347/Elcomsoft_Advanced_PDF_Password_Recovery_v4.00___serial_number
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This thread is fucking gay lol, ya go offline for a few hours and another crack'ed surfaces.
Ironically last time I was on I was discussing Atlantis looking shady with other vendors, OP is a moron.
Dear Limitless,
I was just making blind accusations because I haven't been on the forums in a while. I'm not scared to admit it. 8)
Love,
Onion.
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Atlantis is Neo Nazi? Why all the gay blue color then?
It looks like a site for gay men.
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This thread is fucking gay lol, ya go offline for a few hours and another crack'ed surfaces.
Ironically last time I was on I was discussing Atlantis looking shady with other vendors, OP is a moron.
Dear Limitless,
I was just making blind accusations because I haven't been on the forums in a while. I'm not scared to admit it. 8)
Love,
Onion.
It is post like this and your OP that causes me to sympathize with all the strict rules on the Atlantis forums.
You spammed this nonsense all over the web.
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Well, if my spewing of nonsense creates sensible debate about the topic then the desired outcome has been achieved. My accusations cause no harm to the community and only serve to open, sometimes heated, discussion. If supporting evidence is given to defeat or uphold the accusation then the forum participants are being given the option to draw their own conclusions, which ultimately benefits the community.
I may spit garbage every once in a while, but at least I do not continue to defend my position after making unfounded claims. If you think that my claims are preposterous then you should go look in the deep end of the forum. One of the reasons that I enjoy this forum is that the moderators tend to be, overall, proponents of free speech, even when degrading accusations are thrown directly at DPR and staff. Fuck, even Limitless was good about letting people speak their mind when he was a mod. Although I do remember accusations that he was deleting posts relating to Vlad, the scamming, and their affiliation.
I will continue to support my proclamation that AM is not to be fucked with. I will continue to support my claim that Vlad may be the same that pulled the scam.
Also, what constitutes "all over the web?" I tend to disagree that this is "all over the web."
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I have no problem with free market competition. But that does not include DOS on your competitors. The admins of Atlantis should make a statement about whether they are involved in that or not instead of sitting there preening themselves with their sockpuppets and astroturfed marketplace vendors. They should do so out of their own interest, otherwise this DOS could be a DEA ploy to get the two marketplaces to clash and begin a hackerwar for no reason.
... wtf? Is this a joke, Pine -- aren't you still a proponent of anarchy...? However you define such a system, I don't understand how you can possibly say that a denial of service attack on a competitor is at all questionable. I've seen you talk about isolated state-like entities in a future anarchic world using modern weapons on each other for God's sake. What... who... what in God's name... I -- I am so confused by you right now I don't know what to think let alone say :o How is this not cognitive dissonance?
My idea of the future is closer to that of a pan-anarchy, as explained in that thread you refer to:
Here:
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=139891.msg953823#msg953823
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=139891.msg953895#msg953895
and here:
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=139891.msg1040735#msg1040735
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=139891.msg1047901#msg1047901
And I should add (as you suggest) that it is no picnic either, at least for an interim period, analogous to the Dark Ages, but sped up and on a larger scale. Then I think the dust settles and things head back to an upward trajectory that they simply can't reach with our current political system.
I mean, not for nothing I mentioned my inspiration for my worldview as "The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire".
My *own* philosophical beliefs are that free market capitalism is the optimal method to arrange our economic affairs because it scales up and has proven itself both productive and adaptable.
There is no contradiction here. I don't think it's right for people to bomb each other to gain economic advantage, otherwise I'd be classifying horrors like the Nazis pulling gold teeth out of Jews as a legitimate business plan, but I do think that is a distinct possibility before things settle down. Some people will be trying modes of governance that are purely based on violence, such as feudalism for example. I think however it is the Free Market proponents who will win the day since their philosophy is most likely to draw support and be the fastest to adapt.
So, my view of the future is... messy. It's not a utopia. It's not a dystopia either. It's that en route to a more flexible, economically prosperous and freer future in which Common Economic Protocols govern much of the world, there will be a lot of conflicts. In order for creation, you have to have destruction. That is all wrapped up with the concept of "no state".
In short: I believe, for moral reasons, DOSing your competitor, or worse, murdering them, is wrong. I'm also sure that they will happen in the future.
So there is no contradiction, it's more a frame of reference issue, micro-pine-view vs macro-world-view. What I believe != to what I want.
Otherwise I'd just believe we're going to swan ourselves into a luxurious libertarian utopia (in which I shall have you know my sweet little friends the platypuses live wild and free, inhabiting the riverbanks of every continent) and be done with it.
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As for the PGP cracking software, it's not as effective as they make it out to be. Yes, it works in certain circumstances, but it's nothing nearly as scary as simply stripping away the encryption with ease. Use a safe key size (e.g. 2048+ bit RSA) and don't allow them to gain access to your machine and you're perfectly safe. They can't wave a magic wand and crack that.
Now I have no clue who the fuck did what or not here, but to say they can decrypt PGP encrypted data as though it weren't encrypted is a lie.
That's right. It'd be worldwide headlines if PGP was cracked.
Just because there's a bunch of technical caveats to the use of PGP, where you could extract private keys from RAM and other hacks, doesn't make PGP unsound.
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It is post like this and your OP that causes me to sympathize with all the strict rules on the Atlantis forums.
You spammed this nonsense all over the web.
I think most of us would tire quickly at moderation micromanagement. And be nice! It's nice to be nice. Just because this is a forum for international drug smugglers in a world choked with intrigue, conspiracy and machinations doesn't mean we can't be nice.
One of the nicest things about this forum is that members of the public get to see that we're not actually what is portrayed in movies, in the same way the Mad Scientist of legend is usually some distance from a real scientist.
It's this or gangsta talk and bouncing cars. Bouncing cars! :o
Also, what constitutes "all over the web?" I tend to disagree that this is "all over the web."
Unbelievably, Google actually indexes this website.
Take a look:
https://encrypted.google.com/search?q=%22+ATLANTIS+SCAM+WARNING!%22&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox&gbv=1&sei=TZSAUZLrB6jA0AH844Bg
I know!
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People fearmongering about the T & C they have are being idiots. Do you really think if this was LE run they would need some stupid "Your identity will be recorded and may be reported to the authorities" clause to do that? If they were professional LEO do you think they'd put some silly mention like that. The message is obviously just the default T & C of the website package they're using, especially seeing as it mentions your IP being recorded and that's kind of pointless when you're using TOR...
I know that, I was just pointing out that it was seriously weird to have it up. Somebody over there must have been rationalizing about plausible deniability too heavily or something.
Absolutely correct ...and the next bitch whining about a standard forums disclaimer whicht wasnt changed by them ( isn't SR forum still asking me about my ICQ Number roflmao) and our 4096 PGP key being cracked by some publicly avaliable shareware will have his brain obducted by nothing than sheer Bungee54 willpower...also we steal all of SR Money using ONLY our teethbrush...
Sheer Bungee54 willpower! :o
The only weird thing here is spreading FUD without even doing a simple google/forum search and the talk about DDOS which is not possible on TOR. (correct us if wrong, but we dd our research some time ago).
We welcome any competition and will try to always have our Products offered on any Market available..
That's right, DDOS is not possible with Tor*. Some type of DOS on the other hand, is.
Edit: Some people dispute this, it is I think, not black and white issue. Using something as simplistic as LOIC will probably fail, but maybe there are other ways.
As pine put it correctly ->
LET'S WORK ON cracking open the IOP market, the bitcoin OTC market, and the multi-billion dollar trade known as the RL black market.
Anyone can explain what IOP Means ? IntelligenceOperations?
Internet Online Pharmacies. Many are being forced out and shutdown. Although they purely sell legal drugs, Customs puts the highest priority on intercepting legal drugs from other countries and calling them "counterfeit". It's very corrupt and is happening in most countries that pretend to be free market economies. Although counterfeits do exist, the fact is that most of the IOP trade is legitimate and effectively it is being robbed by a group of legal cartels, quasi government/corporate monopolies. This is a big part of the reason why standard drugs are so expensive in the USA.
Take for example generics. When USA IP protection expires, our pharmaceutical companies have to allow competitors in poorer countries to replicate their product i.e. a generic.
However, what really happens is that the pharmaceutical companies, basically bribe their way out of the situation. They create a copycat drug which is almost identical, and start pushing that using heavy marketing. At the same time, they get somebody to get Customs to intercept any packages or shipments from overseas containing the generics. Now they have their (leaky) monopoly back for a while until the cycle repeats itself. I believe this to be the biggest reason why drugs in the US and other western countries are so expensive. It is essentially a powerful conspiracy against the consumer.
Some numbers:
Drugs like Xanax and Zoloft can be worth up to 500,000% profit per pill to the monopoly.
It makes the markup on heroin from Afghanistan to US streets look pitiful (can be 150,000%, in theory), and that's the highest ROI there is short of LSD, but you can't sell that in such bulk.
In short, it makes perfect sense for IOPs to join SR and others on the Darknet. They are in the same bracket as us anyhow, they just don't fully appreciate it yet. IOPs and similar markets are going to take Darknet Markets to the mainstream in a big way.
There are enormous profits to be made by smuggling perfectly genuine and legal drugs. Nootropics like Adderall and Modafinil are just the beginning.
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I want you people to realize something. There is software on the market that can crack PGP. Some of you already know of it. LE has it. If Atlantis is a DEA honeypot, then even if you use PGP when transferring your personal information, they could still be saving and decrypting every single one of your messages.
I believe that Atlantis is a DEA honeypot and that the DDOS attacks are being made in order to drive users to Atlantis, where the DEA will have access to all of their communications due to the fact that they can crack your PGP.
http://www.elcomsoft.com/efdd.html
That's the software. If you put in an order over Atlantis, then they can store your PGP message and decrypt it at their leisure using this software.
This isn't really true.
The software is more analogous to a keylogger than software with the ability to brute force PGP. It does things like intercept private keys. Interception != cracking. This is actually why we use Tor and other anonymizers, because if LE don't know where we are, they can't get to our private keys by spying and thereby decrypt our communications.
I am wary of Atlantis and their ideas about what constitutes secure communications. Nonetheless to say they can decrypt your messages if they are already PGP encrypted by you (not by Atlantis or any other 3rd party) is not true. It is computationally infeasible.
And we have no evidence that I've seen so far that Atlantis is responsible for the DOS.
The DEA definitely cannot crack PGP. If the DEA could crack PGP, they, their entire organization, not us, would be a smear on the geopolitical windshield in about five seconds. Not by us. By other powers in the world who want the same information. PGP is no joke, and cracking it is no joke either. If PGP was cracked you'd hear about it on the mainstream news headlines in the same reverentially fearful tones as a nuclear bomb going off or a declaration of war between western nation states.
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Thank you Pine for elaborating on this :)
All the Best!
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The Vladimir over here was "Vlad1m1r" and I must admit he made some pretty newb mistakes. Either he got busted or he turned scammer, one of those. In any case I don't think there's any evidence their "Vladimir" is the same person.
If it is, then Atlantis are sort of seriously fucked lol. This was a guy who did CIM as a BTC exchanger for SR, and didn't wear gloves. He talked a good game, but didn't really do his research or have an actual, you know, plan. If this is the same Vlad, that won't have changed.
As for Limetless, does he know you're saying he's jumped ship? I've PMed him so we'll see what he has to say about that.
I must admit though, some things about Atlantis are seriously weird.
Take this for example, it's their forum registration bullshit you have to sign before joining up:
Registration Agreement
You agree, through your use of this forum, that you will not post any material which is false, defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, adult material, or otherwise in violation of any International or United States Federal law. You also agree not to post any copyrighted material unless you own the copyright or you have written consent from the owner of the copyrighted material. Spam, flooding, advertisements, chain letters, pyramid schemes, and solicitations are also forbidden on this forum.
Note that it is impossible for the staff or the owners of this forum to confirm the validity of posts. Please remember that we do not actively monitor the posted messages, and as such, are not responsible for the content contained within. We do not warrant the accuracy, completeness, or usefulness of any information presented. The posted messages express the views of the author, and not necessarily the views of this forum, its staff, its subsidiaries, or this forum's owner. Anyone who feels that a posted message is objectionable is encouraged to notify an administrator or moderator of this forum immediately. The staff and the owner of this forum reserve the right to remove objectionable content, within a reasonable time frame, if they determine that removal is necessary. This is a manual process, however, please realize that they may not be able to remove or edit particular messages immediately. This policy applies to member profile information as well.
You remain solely responsible for the content of your posted messages. Furthermore, you agree to indemnify and hold harmless the owners of this forum, any related websites to this forum, its staff, and its subsidiaries. The owners of this forum also reserve the right to reveal your identity (or any other related information collected on this service) in the event of a formal complaint or legal action arising from any situation caused by your use of this forum.
You have the ability, as you register, to choose your username. We advise that you keep the name appropriate. With this user account you are about to register, you agree to never give your password out to another person except an administrator, for your protection and for validity reasons. You also agree to NEVER use another person's account for any reason. We also HIGHLY recommend you use a complex and unique password for your account, to prevent account theft.
After you register and login to this forum, you will be able to fill out a detailed profile. It is your responsibility to present clean and accurate information. Any information the forum owner or staff determines to be inaccurate or vulgar in nature will be removed, with or without prior notice. Appropriate sanctions may be applicable.
Please note that with each post, your IP address is recorded, in the event that you need to be banned from this forum or your ISP contacted. This will only happen in the event of a major violation of this agreement.
Also note that the software places a cookie, a text file containing bits of information (such as your username and password), in your browser's cache. This is ONLY used to keep you logged in/out. The software does not collect or send any other form of information to your computer.
Tell me that whole thing isn't weird. :D
I have a thread on reddit about it all:
http://www.reddit.com/r/SilkRoad/comments/1db7vc/pgpclub_and_a_critique_of_atlantis_also_pine_ama/
I have no problem with free market competition. But that does not include DOS on your competitors. The admins of Atlantis should make a statement about whether they are involved in that or not instead of sitting there preening themselves with their sockpuppets and astroturfed marketplace vendors. They should do so out of their own interest, otherwise this DOS could be a DEA ploy to get the two marketplaces to clash and begin a hackerwar for no reason.
SR and BlackMarketReloaded have been competing for ages, backopy and DPR don't have issues with each other, just mutual respect, so competition isn't the issue. Being a bunch of jerks, is. Atlantis certainly have not endeared themselves to me and I strongly get the sour grapes vibe after visiting their forum recently. That is what I don't understand, because there's infinitely more marketplace to go around by breaking into the traditional black market in RL, get those people on board. I can't understand why they even think SR is the main competition. They carp about how they are only in it for the money, but I'm not seeing them do anything other than attempt to poach SR customers, which is lame. Everybody should be working on cracking open the IOP market, the bitcoin OTC market, and the multi-billion dollar trade known as the RL black market.
I set up an account on Atlantis last night. I'd rather stay only on Silk Road but I have a large ile of weed that won't get rid of itself...
I got a scam message within 3 hours of having my account from "Vladimir", and I notified support and they said they had the same username as t he creator oft he site, except with a capital v, or the other way around. Something like that anyway. :-/
I just want Silk Road to come back online so I can sell on here again. Atlantis has so far only given me one sale in 24 hours.
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SR has been up for about 12hours bro
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SR has been up for about 12hours bro
Only been up for 2 hours for me, and everyone that I know personally.
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SR has been up for about 12hours bro
It as up earlier but it's gone down again. I haven't been able to get on for over 3 hours now.
Why does everybody think Atlantis is run by the DEA, etc?
People on here are so paranoid :-/
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This thread is fucking gay lol, ya go offline for a few hours and another crack'ed surfaces.
Ironically last time I was on I was discussing Atlantis looking shady with other vendors, OP is a moron.
Dear Limitless,
I was just making blind accusations because I haven't been on the forums in a while. I'm not scared to admit it. 8)
Love,
Onion.
Fucking stupid piece of degenerate shit.
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This thread is fucking gay lol, ya go offline for a few hours and another crack'ed surfaces.
Ironically last time I was on I was discussing Atlantis looking shady with other vendors, OP is a moron.
Dear Limitless,
I was just making blind accusations because I haven't been on the forums in a while. I'm not scared to admit it. 8)
Love,
Onion.
Fucking stupid piece of degenerate shit.
AMEN! Too many arseholes here that use anonymity to protect themselves from the consequences of their depravity.
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This thread is fucking gay lol, ya go offline for a few hours and another crack'ed surfaces.
Ironically last time I was on I was discussing Atlantis looking shady with other vendors, OP is a moron.
Dear Limitless,
I was just making blind accusations because I haven't been on the forums in a while. I'm not scared to admit it. 8)
Love,
Onion.
Fucking stupid piece of degenerate shit.
AMEN! Too many arseholes here that use anonymity to protect themselves from the consequences of their depravity.
AMEN AMEN! Kind of twat that was bullied at school.
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SR has been up for about 12hours bro
Only been up for 2 hours for me, and everyone that I know personally.
bit scary that I thought it was 12 hours lol. I was wrong it came up at 230 UTC so 9hrs at the time i posted.
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As much as I hate the trolls on SR's forums, I have to say the policy and police state of the Atlantis forum makes me sick. Posts are deleted for almost no reason and most of the messages are from members drinking the kool-aid. I tried going in with an unbiased opinion of the site, to see if it is a reliable back-up to SR. Time will tell, but my opinion of the site is it seems like a few kids (young adults) on a power trip. I don't know DPR, but he gives off the vibe of being a business person, not that of an overbearing dictator that has just climbed to power.
Hopefully the site (or a similar one) prospers - I would like to see some competition in this market. I love the road, don't get me wrong, but it would be nice to have another major site out there to go to as well. From a community standpoint, Atlantis is starting off on the wrong foot.
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I'm not using anonymity to hide from the consequences of saying something Limitless doesn't like... That is a ridiculous statement to make. I'm using anonymity to hide my identity from LEO. Although I probably should be worried about Limitless considering he is Gangster #1. And another thing Nanpa, I'm not the one resorting to name calling here. I suspect that you're hiding behind anonymity from me! :)
I am most certainly not trolling. I am starting discussion about a topic which should certainly be discussed.
Limitless, maybe you shouldn't have promoted the fuck out of Vlad while he was here and then used your Mod privileges to delete the connection after he pulled the fucking scam! I stopped frequenting the forums a few weeks later. So, if the problem was resolved, then I do apologize for implicating you in this, but you shouldn't be at all surprised that you go brought into it considering your previous support for Vlad, even if this guy isn't the same Vlad.
Get over it, its the fucking SR forums.
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As much as I hate the trolls on SR's forums, I have to say the policy and police state of the Atlantis forum makes me sick. Posts are deleted for almost no reason and most of the messages are from members drinking the kool-aid. I tried going in with an unbiased opinion of the site, to see if it is a reliable back-up to SR. Time will tell, but my opinion of the site is it seems like a few kids (young adults) on a power trip. I don't know DPR, but he gives off the vibe of being a business person, not that of an overbearing dictator that has just climbed to power.
Hopefully the site (or a similar one) prospers - I would like to see some competition in this market. I love the road, don't get me wrong, but it would be nice to have another major site out there to go to as well. From a community standpoint, Atlantis is starting off on the wrong foot.
Did you break their rules?
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As much as I hate the trolls on SR's forums, I have to say the policy and police state of the Atlantis forum makes me sick. Posts are deleted for almost no reason and most of the messages are from members drinking the kool-aid. I tried going in with an unbiased opinion of the site, to see if it is a reliable back-up to SR. Time will tell, but my opinion of the site is it seems like a few kids (young adults) on a power trip. I don't know DPR, but he gives off the vibe of being a business person, not that of an overbearing dictator that has just climbed to power.
Hopefully the site (or a similar one) prospers - I would like to see some competition in this market. I love the road, don't get me wrong, but it would be nice to have another major site out there to go to as well. From a community standpoint, Atlantis is starting off on the wrong foot.
Did you break their rules?
kingpinirl is right, a whole lot needs to change if they are to grow to SR's size anytime. Their attitude of their moderator is confrontational, it's destroying any culture they could be developing. And frankly, he doesn't really know what he's talking about securitywise. Our OpSec and InfoSec geeks here would positively go into a tailspin with some of the nonsense he comes out with.
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As much as I hate the trolls on SR's forums, I have to say the policy and police state of the Atlantis forum makes me sick. Posts are deleted for almost no reason and most of the messages are from members drinking the kool-aid. I tried going in with an unbiased opinion of the site, to see if it is a reliable back-up to SR. Time will tell, but my opinion of the site is it seems like a few kids (young adults) on a power trip. I don't know DPR, but he gives off the vibe of being a business person, not that of an overbearing dictator that has just climbed to power.
Hopefully the site (or a similar one) prospers - I would like to see some competition in this market. I love the road, don't get me wrong, but it would be nice to have another major site out there to go to as well. From a community standpoint, Atlantis is starting off on the wrong foot.
Did you break their rules?
kingpinirl is right, a whole lot needs to change if they are to grow to SR's size anytime. Their attitude of their moderator is confrontational, it's destroying any culture they could be developing. And frankly, he doesn't really know what he's talking about securitywise. Our OpSec and InfoSec geeks here would positively go into a tailspin with some of the nonsense he comes out with.
Is a 'culture' what we have here? I am mainly in it to buy drugs, to be honest.
Anyway, why don't you take it up with him, not with me. I see that he asked you some direct questions and you have chosen to answer him here which is passive aggressive as shit.
Oh, and get a vendors account there. I did because it only costs 25 bucks and I got to see how things work in the back end. That is how I know that you don't know what the fuck you are talking about when it comes to the way the PGP is implemented.
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As much as I hate the trolls on SR's forums, I have to say the policy and police state of the Atlantis forum makes me sick. Posts are deleted for almost no reason and most of the messages are from members drinking the kool-aid. I tried going in with an unbiased opinion of the site, to see if it is a reliable back-up to SR. Time will tell, but my opinion of the site is it seems like a few kids (young adults) on a power trip. I don't know DPR, but he gives off the vibe of being a business person, not that of an overbearing dictator that has just climbed to power.
Hopefully the site (or a similar one) prospers - I would like to see some competition in this market. I love the road, don't get me wrong, but it would be nice to have another major site out there to go to as well. From a community standpoint, Atlantis is starting off on the wrong foot.
Did you break their rules?
My associates and I have decided to host a .onion TOR hidden service; a small market-place for the friends we make here in the boards, and vendors we've been doing business with for a couple years almost now. Realistically speaking, this site won't be around for another year or more, but everything we list will be professionally grown by myself, and I will have very efficient and friendly customer service personnel to meet whatever demand we acquire.
We don't plan to make it a very large operation off the bat, so the hidden service, and knowledge there-of will be limited to invitational registration, and strictly word-of-mouth exposure. We will not be spamming here on the boards, but we will certainly approach those who've proven themselves to not be cops, and not be idiots. We'll allow free vendorship to a handful of SR vendors who want to strictly deal in bulk, but will not try to undercut what we truly believe to be a perpetual-motion machine; The Silk Road.
In the meantime, we hope the douche-bags stop trying to overload the server(s) here, and we will continue to offer rewards to those who proactively post and call-out scammers; leading to an official banishment of the vendor(s).
Atlantis... they could be anybody. I wouldn't run my game the way they have, with all this hype, on an already hyped up site?
I'm sure that DPR and crew love that this site continues to grow, but in the same light I know they understand that a higher percentage of the buyers AND vendors would be happier if this site was less-well known. Less scammers, less cry babies... less children being internet tough-guys' and know-it-alls' ...
Anyway, when the SR goes down, I come here to talk to my vendors. All or most of the good ones use these boards. Esp. bud vendors... Christy... Norcal...
Some times these people will work out of escrow for the right customer, in the right circumstances... so the show always goes on, if you play your cards right.
Hi, I'm not a cop (I think), can I apply?
But seriously, this sounds like a great idea in case SR is down and I would love to be a part of it.
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Yu are referring to chatting in the forum?
There is only a few hundred people registered here and millions on the SR site. It's only chatty people who are here to chat. It's designed to be a customer support forum mostly.
If you just shop at the site, you would never be bothered by anything here. Not really sure why anyone hang here really.
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Yu are referring to chatting in the forum?
There is only a few hundred people registered here and millions on the SR site. It's only chatty people who are here to chat. It's designed to be a customer support forum mostly.
If you just shop at the site, you would never be bothered by anything here. Not really sure why anyone hang here really.
There is more than 10,000 people on the forums. Most don't use their accounts though.
I doubt Silk Road would have million of users. perhaps 100,000 or so, but millions seems a bit of a stretch.
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Last I heard/read it was about 350,000+ accounts? A lot of us vets have multiple accounts. And most of the newbies only buy smaller amounts, and or... not often.
Definitely not 1 million. And these numbers are WORLD WIDE. 350,000 out of roughly 7,000,000,000 isn't too bad.
I'd believe 350,000. And a lot of accounts have probably never been used. People have to make an account just to take a look at Silk Road.
That means 1 in every 20,000 people in the world have a Silk Road account. There is so much room for growth... I'd say at least 1 in 50 people use drugs, so if very drug user used Silk Road, this place would be just too big.
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Last I heard/read it was about 350,000+ accounts? A lot of us vets have multiple accounts. And most of the newbies only buy smaller amounts, and or... not often.
Definitely not 1 million. And these numbers are WORLD WIDE. 350,000 out of roughly 7,000,000,000 isn't too bad.
I'd believe 350,000. And a lot of accounts have probably never been used. People have to make an account just to take a look at Silk Road.
That means 1 in every 20,000 people in the world have a Silk Road account. There is so much room for growth... I'd say at least 1 in 50 people use drugs, so if very drug user used Silk Road, this place would be just too big.
As a rule of thumb, for each person who uses the forums at all, there's about ten who don't in my experience.
A quick check reveals something in around 64,890 accounts are registered on this forum. Due to circumstances I doubt the same rule of 10 heuristic applies here. Even so, even conservative estimates are huge in comparison to every other black market that was online in the past.
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Last I heard/read it was about 350,000+ accounts? A lot of us vets have multiple accounts. And most of the newbies only buy smaller amounts, and or... not often.
Definitely not 1 million. And these numbers are WORLD WIDE. 350,000 out of roughly 7,000,000,000 isn't too bad.
I'd believe 350,000. And a lot of accounts have probably never been used. People have to make an account just to take a look at Silk Road.
That means 1 in every 20,000 people in the world have a Silk Road account. There is so much room for growth... I'd say at least 1 in 50 people use drugs, so if very drug user used Silk Road, this place would be just too big.
As a rule of thumb, for each person who uses the forums at all, there's about ten who don't in my experience.
A quick check reveals something in around 64,890 accounts are registered on this forum. Due to circumstances I doubt the same rule of 10 heuristic applies here. Even so, even conservative estimates are huge in comparison to every other black market that was online in the past.
Silk Road is much bigger and much more well-known than any other black market site.
I'd agree than 1 in 10 Silk Road members use the forums. It's a shame really - if everyone read the forums, big scams like the ETM FE scam wouldn't be very successful and they wouldn't have lost their money.
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As much as I hate the trolls on SR's forums, I have to say the policy and police state of the Atlantis forum makes me sick. Posts are deleted for almost no reason and most of the messages are from members drinking the kool-aid. I tried going in with an unbiased opinion of the site, to see if it is a reliable back-up to SR. Time will tell, but my opinion of the site is it seems like a few kids (young adults) on a power trip. I don't know DPR, but he gives off the vibe of being a business person, not that of an overbearing dictator that has just climbed to power.
Hopefully the site (or a similar one) prospers - I would like to see some competition in this market. I love the road, don't get me wrong, but it would be nice to have another major site out there to go to as well. From a community standpoint, Atlantis is starting off on the wrong foot.
Did you break their rules?
I didn't break their rules - hell, I didn't even post. I don't need to break their rules to see their moderators imaginary 12 inch dicks. If you read the forum posts, it reads like someone standing in line at the Soup Nazi's kitchen. Like I said in my other post - I would love to see another viable solution for those of us not "savvy" or "elite" enough to be included in the private scene - I just don't think the general vibe given from Atlantis is that solution (at this point).
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this site has creeped me out from the beginning
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My experience with Atlantis so far:
3 weeks ago, a vendor was offering "Free 1/2g samples of MDMA". I debated about it, then a combination of greed and the fact that there was a quantity available tab and it was going down quickly made me order. The vendor was quick to respond after I ordered and said he couldn't decrypt my address. I sent him a PRIVNOTE and he thanked me and marked it shipped the next day. Now, on SR I ALWAYS order domestic to avoid customs. I wasn't paying attention that this was from Canada. About 3 years ago, a friend in Canada sent me a few 100mg morphine pills that were intercepted by Customs. I don't know if that flagged my address or not, but the "sample" never arrived.
Now, before I read these posts on SR forums, I placed a very small order from Peoples Drugstore. After reading the posts on here, I don't expect to receive anything but I will update.