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Discussion => Off topic => Topic started by: Chaosforpeace on April 22, 2013, 10:54 am
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I want to hear everyone's opinion on what they believe to be the country with the most freedom. I have spoken extensively with people about this and most people will have assume it is obvious yet they all have different answers. So what do you guys say?
You can define freedom however you like.
Props to dingo ate my drugs for helping me make this thread go somewhere.
Answer these how you will:
Which country has the most relaxed drug laws?
Which country has greatest freedom of speech?
Which country has the most liberal laws regarding internet monitoring / filtering?
Which country has the greatest freedom of media control?
Which country has the least corruption?
Which country gives the most freedom in terms of a person doing what he pleases?
Which country has the most freedom in regards to minors?
Which country has the most relaxed security?
If you have a suggestion ill ad it.
Chaos
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I want to hear everyone's opinion on what they believe to be the country with the most freedom. I have spoken extensively with people about this and most people will have assume it is obvious yet they all have different answers. So what do you guys say?
You can define freedom however you like.
Chaos
Chaos,
There is already a post the same as this one. It just ended up with people dividing their responses to several countries (most people said USA for freedom of speech & Netherlands or Portugal for drug laws).
No problem having the same thread again though. What part of freedom are we measuring? Maybe we could have a few criteria and rate the best country for each criteria?
Example:
Which country has the most relaxed drug laws?
Which country has greatest freedom of speech?
Which country has the most liberal laws regarding internet monitoring / filtering?
Which country has the greatest freedom of media control?
Which country has the least corruption?
And each question has it's own answer, because defining freedom is very difficult, and too broad.
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I want to hear everyone's opinion on what they believe to be the country with the most freedom. I have spoken extensively with people about this and most people will have assume it is obvious yet they all have different answers. So what do you guys say?
You can define freedom however you like.
Chaos
Chaos,
There is already a post the same as this one. It just ended up with people dividing their responses to several countries (most people said USA for freedom of speech & Netherlands or Portugal for drug laws).
No problem having the same thread again though. What part of freedom are we measuring? Maybe we could have a few criteria and rate the best country for each criteria?
Example:
Which country has the most relaxed drug laws?
Which country has greatest freedom of speech?
Which country has the most liberal laws regarding internet monitoring / filtering?
Which country has the greatest freedom of media control?
Which country has the least corruption?
And each question has it's own answer, because defining freedom is very difficult, and too broad.
+1 and good point. Ill modify my first post with your questions and some of mine in a few.
Much love,
Chaos
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Well, without doing proper and thorough research into this, here is my answers based on my knowledge so far.
I've had to give 2 or more countries to some of the answers because they are both good in different ways.
Which country has the most relaxed drug laws? Netherlands due to it's harm reduction strategies. Portugal for decriminalising possession of drugs.
Which country has greatest freedom of speech? Switzerland. The US has too much power & control IMO
Which country has the most liberal laws regarding internet monitoring / filtering? Most of Europe, Canada, Japan, many more countries. I'd like to say USA but they have plans to filter the internet so I will leave the US out of my list. Internet freedom is very important and it is vital that the Governments across the world don't try and restrict it. Adults should have access to anything they wish on the internet - Not what the Government lets them. The Australian Government wants a filter on their internet which will block anything it thinks is unsuitable for general public. I think this is a disgrace.
Which country has the greatest freedom of media control? Scaninavian countries & Japan
Which country has the least corruption? Scandinavian countries & Canada
Which country gives the most freedom in terms of a person doing what he pleases? I'd have to say a lot of counties in Asia & South America. They may have higher levels of corruption, but they are generally free to do that they want and their laws are quite relaxed compared to western countries.
Which country has the most freedom in regards to minors? I really have no idea. I've never thought of this and it's hard to decide.
Which country has the most relaxed security? Parts of Asia & South America
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What are your answers to those questions Chaos?
It'd be good to have someone to compare my answers to.
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I went through that list and not one of my answers was USA where I live. haha my country sucks.
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Which country has the most relaxed drug laws?
The conservative Dutch (national) government has been cracking down in some areas as of late. So I couldn't really say the Netherlands.
If I am correct In Canada, in British Columbia, a legal posture has been assumed that almost all drugs are legal to possess but not to sell (using heroin in public is not technically illegal but can be considered disorderly)
Which country has greatest freedom of speech?
I would also say Switzerland.
Which country has the most liberal laws regarding internet monitoring / filtering?
I would say the Netherlands. As far as I know they really are the most "free" place in this regard.
Which country has the greatest freedom of media control?
According to several studies put out there seems to be the most freedom in Finland and Norway.
Which country has the least corruption?
Denmark, Finland, and New Zealand, all tie for the least corruption according to the organization transparency international
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/files/2012/12/Screen-shot-2012-12-05-at-12.17.00-PM.png
Which country gives the most freedom in terms of a person doing what he pleases?
The most war torn country's really. Because of the chaos people are free to do what they please in the midst of things.
Which country has the most freedom in regards to minors?
I might be totally off base with this, but I believe Mexico. I don't know if you would call this "freedom" as a person of age 12 is basically equivalent to the age of 18 being called "adult" in the United States.
Which country has the most relaxed security?
I don't really know the answer to this one, but I remember many years back flying into Australia. I had somehow managed to take a rather large knife with me in my carry on without even noticing. It's amazing I didn't get stopped and arrested here in America. I got stopped by security in AUS and when the guy found the knife he said to me and I quote, "man, make sure not to do this again, you might freak someone out," and gave it back to me.
I doubt it is still like that, but oh memory's.
Chaos
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I went through that list and not one of my answers was USA where I live. haha my country sucks.
As a fellow resident I feel your pain. To think we were at one point so free.
Chaos
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AMERICA!
FUCK YEAH!
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AMERICA!
FUCK YEAH!
I hope your kidding.
Chaos
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Name one other country with lets say... more religious freedom than the U.S.A.
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Name one other country with lets say... more religious freedom than the U.S.A.
Major facepalm. I'm sorry but the whole world has religious freedom, minus a few countries in the Middle East.
How about you read the whole page here.
Chaos
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and with that ans I prove my point! Muslims are one of the biggest religions out there, they blew our shit up and we didn't throw them in internment camps. That's freedom baby, hear it ring. There are Muslim's in other countries who can't even worship within their own religion. Sunnis fighting Shiites. Jews fighting Muslims. Jehovah's witnesses banned in many countries. Religious freedom is not global hunnie, sorry to break it to you!
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I went through that list and not one of my answers was USA where I live. haha my country sucks.
As a fellow resident I feel your pain. To think we were at one point so free.
Chaos
Try living in Australia. It's terrible - The laws are getting very restricted and freedom is being eroded.
It is turning into a police state and the police are constantly getting more and more power.
I'd like to more overseas in the future. The way Australia is going I don't think I could bear to live here in 10 years time.
Also, it was interesting to see your responses. Visiting Asia was so relaxed. Sure, they don't have a lot of the modern things we have, but they seem to be very happy people. I'd like to visit South America too, and East Europe (Poland, Turkey, Russia).
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Wasn't Australia where criminals were sent? Seems natural that it would be a police state still, or go back to that route. lol. Don't mind me, just a high bitch with no filter!
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and with that ans I prove my point! Muslims are one of the biggest religions out there, they blew our shit up and we didn't throw them in internment camps. That's freedom baby, hear it ring. There are Muslim's in other countries who can't even worship within their own religion. Sunnis fighting Shiites. Jews fighting Muslims. Jehovah's witnesses banned in many countries. Religious freedom is not global hunnie, sorry to break it to you!
Your ignorance is disgusting. There is nothing more that I hate in this world then an American ignorant idiot. I hope this is a joke. If not then I can understand where your negative karma came from.
As a side note and I only say this because you have offended man kind with your cheap ignorance, I am calling you out as being a guy. Your profile picture looks like a man with fruit under his shirt. If not then your nipples face in very different directions.
By making yourself out to be a horny woman you hope people will donate money to your bitcoin address.
If you read through all of your posts none of them have done anything positive. Every one of your posts that have not been spam have either had nothing to do with the thread you were posting in, or had nothing to do with what had been said in the thread. Or just a stupid comment such as,
"AMERICA!
FUCK YEAH!"
I would neg you if it wasnt for the fact that I refuse to neg anyone on this site.
In summation die gutter trash, and go back from whence you came. Some back ally all methed up sucking dick for dollars.
Much hate to the ignorant and uninformed, read a fucking book
Chaos
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Wasn't Australia where criminals were sent? Seems natural that it would be a police state still, or go back to that route. lol. Don't mind me, just a high bitch with no filter!
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I went through that list and not one of my answers was USA where I live. haha my country sucks.
As a fellow resident I feel your pain. To think we were at one point so free.
Chaos
Try living in Australia. It's terrible - The laws are getting very restricted and freedom is being eroded.
It is turning into a police state and the police are constantly getting more and more power.
I'd like to more overseas in the future. The way Australia is going I don't think I could bear to live here in 10 years time.
Also, it was interesting to see your responses. Visiting Asia was so relaxed. Sure, they don't have a lot of the modern things we have, but they seem to be very happy people. I'd like to visit South America too, and East Europe (Poland, Turkey, Russia).
Such a shame to. Same with the United States. The world is turning to shit and there is nothing we can do.
I myself hope to travel the world moving from country to country with my girl, within the next few years.
Chaos
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awwwww lil chaos thinks im an ignorant man and pities me for having neg karma. I think ill go kill myself now, lol pa pa pa please! Stop being a whore to fake karma, try just being a whore much more fun :-*
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I went through that list and not one of my answers was USA where I live. haha my country sucks.
As a fellow resident I feel your pain. To think we were at one point so free.
Chaos
Try living in Australia. It's terrible - The laws are getting very restricted and freedom is being eroded.
It is turning into a police state and the police are constantly getting more and more power.
I'd like to more overseas in the future. The way Australia is going I don't think I could bear to live here in 10 years time.
Also, it was interesting to see your responses. Visiting Asia was so relaxed. Sure, they don't have a lot of the modern things we have, but they seem to be very happy people. I'd like to visit South America too, and East Europe (Poland, Turkey, Russia).
Such a shame to. Same with the United States. The world is turning to shit and there is nothing we can do.
I myself hope to travel the world moving from country to country with my girl, within the next few years.
Chaos
lmao, you plan to visit the world? You haven't even left the U.S. and you wanna talk about freedom, wow Chaos, now that's ignorant. If I read your message wrong apologize, but try not to talk about things you have no idea about.
P.S. whats really sad is people that don't know how good they really have it smh.
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I went through that list and not one of my answers was USA where I live. haha my country sucks.
As a fellow resident I feel your pain. To think we were at one point so free.
Chaos
Try living in Australia. It's terrible - The laws are getting very restricted and freedom is being eroded.
It is turning into a police state and the police are constantly getting more and more power.
I'd like to more overseas in the future. The way Australia is going I don't think I could bear to live here in 10 years time.
Also, it was interesting to see your responses. Visiting Asia was so relaxed. Sure, they don't have a lot of the modern things we have, but they seem to be very happy people. I'd like to visit South America too, and East Europe (Poland, Turkey, Russia).
Such a shame to. Same with the United States. The world is turning to shit and there is nothing we can do.
I myself hope to travel the world moving from country to country with my girl, within the next few years.
Chaos
lmao, you plan to visit the world? You haven't even left the U.S. and you wanna talk about freedom, wow Chaos, now that's ignorant. If I read your message wrong apologize, but try not to talk about things you have no idea about.
P.S. whats really sad is people that don't know how good they really have it smh.
In the last ten years iv been to more countries then you fucking know exists. Your posts are a waste of memory on the Silk Road forums. If you would have read any of this thread then you would know about my traveling.
Now gutter whore, leave my thread. I feel like I should be hitting you with a broom and yelling scat scat. Go have fun in your paradise America keep getting higher, maybe you will do all man kind a favor and overdose.
Chaos
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I'm gonna call you out as a woman, lol, you cry way too much, especially about your karma!
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and stop stalking my post and PM'in me. loser!
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It's like for every 10 good new members of the forums there is 20 bad. Fucking newbies think they are some shit.
There should be a section of the forum for only hero members.
Chaos
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What's with all the negativity in here? Can we all not argue and have an adult conversation. I agree that USA does have alot of religious freedom, but there are still alot of hate crimes here, aswell. It's not perfect. All of North America, all of South America(for the most part), almost all European countries have it so you can believe whatever religion you want to believe without persecution. The USA is a very good country don't get me wrong. But the way they are going it won't be long before there are Predator drones armed with hellfire missles and thermal imaging flying around above everyone's house. I'd prefer to live in a country where I'm not worried about MY gov't reading all my private emails.
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I went through that list and not one of my answers was USA where I live. haha my country sucks.
As a fellow resident I feel your pain. To think we were at one point so free.
Chaos
Try living in Australia. It's terrible - The laws are getting very restricted and freedom is being eroded.
It is turning into a police state and the police are constantly getting more and more power.
I'd like to more overseas in the future. The way Australia is going I don't think I could bear to live here in 10 years time.
Also, it was interesting to see your responses. Visiting Asia was so relaxed. Sure, they don't have a lot of the modern things we have, but they seem to be very happy people. I'd like to visit South America too, and East Europe (Poland, Turkey, Russia).
Such a shame to. Same with the United States. The world is turning to shit and there is nothing we can do.
I myself hope to travel the world moving from country to country with my girl, within the next few years.
Chaos
Yea I've noticed the US, UK and Australia are leading the world in diminishing peoples freedom and privacy.
But I'd have to say Australia is at the head of the pack. Our Prime Minister is an absolute idiot. She made several important promises before the last election and the election was a tie between the two major parties here, so she gave a few independent politicians exactly what they wanted if they sided with her, so she could obtain power. To do this, she broke the biggest election promises. She created a carbon tax which just made everything even more expensive (If you've visited Australia in t he last 3 years you would be outraged at how expensive it has become) and she has created several budged deficits when she promised to bring the budget back to surplus again. she is arrogant and out of touch with society. She is an atheist yet she is still against gay marriage (why do people have a problem with gay marriage? - It doesn't affect anybody in a negative way. It just gives gay people the right to marry, which I think is good. If it harms nobody and makes people happy, why not legalise it?). She also plans to filter the internet and force ISP's to keep all data stored for 2 years, but that proposal has been put on hold for now. She also spent billions of dollars on funding schools which was audited and could have been done for 1/3 of the price - Another example of reckless government spending.
Banning tobacco is on the long term agenda. The tax of alcohol is set to increase massively to "stop binge drinking." Warning labels cover 100% of tobacco packets already and alcohol will have to have health warnings soon too. Some politicians also favour banning alcohol completely. Apparently, "It is a great cost to society and the country would benefit economically from it."
You see - This makes no sense. Why should tobacco and alcohol become illegal? I don't consume tobacco but it should still be a personal choice whether to smoke or not. Same with alcohol. What is the point of banning something simply because it would help the economy? I do not live my life to help t he economy. I live my life to contribute to society and by doing things I enjoy. Alcohol is something I enjoy (not as much as drugs though :) )
Also in Australia you get a $200 fine for consuming alcohol in a public place. Undercover police sometimes patrol beaches and parks and fine people who are having picnic lunches with a beer on a Sunday. Yes, I'm serious - They do this. If you're in a nightclub district they often do sniff checks of any bottles you are carrying don't contain alcohol.
Sniffer dogs are at train stations, nightclubs and just roaming city streets daily, catching people with small amounts of drugs.
Speed cameras in some states can get you an send a fine in the mail if you are going just 4km/h over the ridiculously slow speed limits. Other states it's 6km/h or even up to 10km/h lenience.
Sorry about the rant and excessive use of examples but I just think the way Australia is going, it will be an extremely boring place to live.
I believe that if an adult wishes to do something at their own free will without harming anybody else, then they should be able to do it without worrying about getting caught.
We live life once, why the fuck should we be forced by the Governments rules to waste it being protected and safe? I should be able to live my life how I want.
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What's with all the negativity in here? Can we all not argue and have an adult conversation. I agree that USA does have alot of religious freedom, but there are still alot of hate crimes here, aswell. It's not perfect. All of North America, all of South America(for the most part), almost all European countries have it so you can believe whatever religion you want to believe without persecution. The USA is a very good country don't get me wrong. But the way they are going it won't be long before there are Predator drones armed with hellfire missles and thermal imaging flying around above everyone's house. I'd prefer to live in a country where I'm not worried about MY gov't reading all my private emails.
Sorry man, I mean I am the author of the, "where's all the love," thread. I am your average peaceful man. Always trying to spread love and happiness. Only one thing in this world can get me going and that's ignorance and stupidity.
We all have to face the music at one point or another, the united states is becoming, or already is, a police state.
I still live here as the majority of my clientele are in the United States and it would be bad for business to move right now.
Prince ea:
The United States of Corporate America
A place where they assassinate characters
Start scaring ya
With fear tactics
Fascists call you a terrorist
And implant you with a Veri-chip
It's effective 'cause nobody's even aware of it
Blind motha fuckers, shit's quite embarrassing
'Till they come to your area
Close down your town
Like an outbreak of malaria
This shit goes much deeper than the President
1984 my nigga, it's Orwellian
Marshal law installed in the garrisons
And deception is more prevalent than it's ever been
So tell me nigga what the fuck you gonna do
When troops break down your door
Throw your wife to the floor?
Awww, what you gonna pray to the Lord
Or grab the knife and the four and start fighting this war?
What the fuck you gonna do nigga?
It's time to make a decision!
Everything you've been taught is a fucking lie!
Look it up?
Or you wanna stay ignorant to this shit?
How does that make you feel?
You rather live your life in tyranny and slavery,
Or freedom and liberty?
Then stand up!
Isn't that worth fighting for?
Isn't that worth dying for?
This is the greatest story never told
And I'ma probably gonna die from this shit
I'm about to expose, but
That's the chance that I have to take
Even if they call me paranoid
And label me a basket case
Know your fate and prepare for the future
When America's replaced by the North American Union
The Mexican and Canadian fusion
They deliberately lied to us
And now I can prove it
The ruling class ideology
Taught us ever since we were children
That we live in a democracy
But the word democracy doesn't appear in The Constitution
It was just another trick to try to fool us
Like the illusion they use on the news
Viewing and accusing Muslim people as being evildoers
Can't you see this is breeding hatred?
They take rights from us and claim we gonna get our freedoms later
But its clear how they see the nation
Because Bush is on record as saying "The Constitution
Is nothing more than a goddamn piece of paper"
My eyes are wide open and I see you traitors
Disrespecting our founding fathers in this final hour
Even they knew the times would change, but
Some things would always remain constant
Like if you wanna start a war and get people behind it
Then bomb your own cities, blame it on your enemies and...
Well mission accomplished, this is relatively common
We saw it in Vietnam, the Gulf of Tonkin
Operation Northwoods, the World Trade Center Towers
Reichstag and Pearl Harbor exemplified this concept
Violence is enveloping the globe
And the basis of knowledge is on a need to know so
How you plan to understand the code
When every channel in your home
Is on Hannity and Colmes
And GPS is implanted in your phones?
I'ma have all of this propaganda shit exposed
The missile drones that'll rip your flesh
There's a war outside and now you getting' prepped
Give me liberty or give me death
Or we can say fuck both and you can get these 'tics
I'm on the most wanted and they list me next to Bin Laden
But it don't bother me none
'cause Bin Laden died in 2001
Because of a medical complication inside of his lungs, and...
You remember Saddam Hussein the boogeyman?
Well in actuality he used to be our best friend
Donald Rumsfeld even shook his hand
And we gave him those chemical weapons to go to invade Iran
It's all a sham, and there's many more examples
But it's kinda like countin' sand
Keep that fist high and never ever drop ya hands
'cause the only way to be empowered is with knowledge fam
Don't be like these Obama fans
Oh yeah, the Obama fans
I can't stand the sight
Too in love for the man but you don't know what his stances are
Or what his political plans are like
You just bandwagon and chant like fanatics in a trance
And it's almost cattle like
Blinded by the hype and the flashing lights
But here go ahead, take some sound advice
You need to keep a watchful eye
On anybody who wants to either take or command your rights
And I'm not saying he is, but if the prophecy's correct
Then yes, he might be the antichrist!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?nomobile=1&v=ZHvvULNDOAI
Chaos
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Dingo if I could give you +1million I would to bad I already have +1 within 72 hours. You and I are on the same wavelength. In the United States I would say its worse. They just use different tactics in this police state.
I say you and I tour the world and forget about the oppression that is taking over this world I once knew and loved. Sooner or later the United States will have the predator drones searching not only the United States for readings of drugs, but the whole world. There is no where to hide from all of the worlds governments. Maybe I should just move to the rainforest build a house, live there in peace off the land. Before I go ill spend all of my money, as I won't need it anymore, on a supply of drugs to last my whole life. The only thing I need now is a women like minded enough to live in such a way.
I can dream can't I....
Chaos
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I think you folks are mistaking freedom for freedom to break the law. I don't agree with many laws, but law are everwhere!
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The only country in the world that does not regulate cannabis in any way is NORTH KOREA.
That does not make it a free country, though.
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thank you. This thread neglects to define what its definition of freedom is suppose to be. The type of hatred for ones own Country and lack of respect for it expressed in this thread are why people become terrorist in their own country.
Stop crying about how your country has no freedom and do something about it! We all have the power to change the world!
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thank you. This thread neglects to define what its definition of freedom is suppose to be. The type of hatred for ones own Country and lack of respect for it expressed in this thread are why people become terrorist in their own country.
Stop crying about how your country has no freedom and do something about it! We all have the power to change the world!
The OP actually did a very good job of defining what freedom was by asking those 9 different questions about it. And I wouldn't really consider our views as hateful. More disconcerting than anything. Nothing to become a "terrorist" over. You seem to have negativity oozing out of all your posts on these forums. We're simply talking about the laws in our countries and how we feel about them. I was born here, I didn't come out of the womb and fill out a form about where I wanted live until I was 18. Believe me, if I was scared enough about Predator drones I would definitely stop "crying" and move to another country. Until then we'll continue to discuss the similarities and differences between our supposed free countries.
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@Dingo Ate My Drugs Do they really have police with dogs just walk the streets to try and smell drugs on people as they walk by? That's crazy ???
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Yea I've noticed the US, UK and Australia are leading the world in diminishing peoples freedom and privacy.
But I'd have to say Australia is at the head of the pack. Our Prime Minister is an absolute idiot.
I think Julia Gillard is amazing. It's like watching Lady Macbeth pretending to be Mary Poppins.
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@Dingo Ate My Drugs Do they really have police with dogs just walk the streets to try and smell drugs on people as they walk by? That's crazy ???
In Boston because of what happened they have made it legal for a police officer to bust into your house looking for bombs without any evidence or even a warrant.
Chaos
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thank you. This thread neglects to define what its definition of freedom is suppose to be. The type of hatred for ones own Country and lack of respect for it expressed in this thread are why people become terrorist in their own country.
Stop crying about how your country has no freedom and do something about it! We all have the power to change the world!
The OP actually did a very good job of defining what freedom was by asking those 9 different questions about it. And I wouldn't really consider our views as hateful. More disconcerting than anything. Nothing to become a "terrorist" over. You seem to have negativity oozing out of all your posts on these forums. We're simply talking about the laws in our countries and how we feel about them. I was born here, I didn't come out of the womb and fill out a form about where I wanted live until I was 18. Believe me, if I was scared enough about Predator drones I would definitely stop "crying" and move to another country. Until then we'll continue to discuss the similarities and differences between our supposed free countries.
Why do you feel the need to talk down to an anonymous poster? This is my opinion about your post! You don't know this person so to say that they are oozing with anything is strictly your opinion and your reality. This is my opinion! So can you tell me what I am oozing with? I am very interested in what you have to say about the person I am.
People stop the bullshit and discuss any idea and any opinion on strictly its merits! This is a discussion not a playground for intellectual bullies. Take it down a notch!
Once again my opinion, talk about my opinion not about me. Lets see who can do it. Go!
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*Facepalm*
Pkizenko98 please read the whole thread before posting. This woman has clogged up my thread without saying anything of substance because she didnt read anything in the thread, but the title before posting.
Dan did nothing wrong. If you are not willing to read the whole thread then don't post in it.
Chaos
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I read the thread. Stop face-palming, try another expression. Just my opinion!
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thank you. This thread neglects to define what its definition of freedom is suppose to be. The type of hatred for ones own Country and lack of respect for it expressed in this thread are why people become terrorist in their own country.
Stop crying about how your country has no freedom and do something about it! We all have the power to change the world!
The OP actually did a very good job of defining what freedom was by asking those 9 different questions about it. And I wouldn't really consider our views as hateful. More disconcerting than anything. Nothing to become a "terrorist" over. You seem to have negativity oozing out of all your posts on these forums. We're simply talking about the laws in our countries and how we feel about them. I was born here, I didn't come out of the womb and fill out a form about where I wanted live until I was 18. Believe me, if I was scared enough about Predator drones I would definitely stop "crying" and move to another country. Until then we'll continue to discuss the similarities and differences between our supposed free countries.
Why do you feel the need to talk down to an anonymous poster? This is my opinion about your post! You don't know this person so to say that they are oozing with anything is strictly your opinion and your reality. This is my opinion! So can you tell me what I am oozing with? I am very interested in what you have to say about the person I am.
People stop the bullshit and discuss any idea and any opinion on strictly its merits! This is a discussion not a playground for intellectual bullies. Take it down a notch!
Once again my opinion, talk about my opinion not about me. Lets see who can do it. Go!
haha I'm not really sure what you're oozing with. You tell me ??? You say to discuss ideas based strictly on merits, that is what I was trying to do before mscat decided to say, "The type of hatred for ones own Country and lack of respect for it expressed in this thread are why people become terrorist in their own country." referring to me, Dingo Ate My Drugs, and Chaosforpeace. Also earlier in the day mscat was arguing in another thread with someone about nothing. If you click her name and read her posts I'm sure you'll see that as well. So I guess in my opinion and in my reality, yes, mscat is a very negative person.
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Now can we please get back to the OP's topic ;D
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I feel like its to late for this thread. If anyone wants to post an answer and bring this train back on the tracks please do so.
The way things are going in the world I see it as a 50/50 wether the world will plunge into a police state completely banning lists of things or prohibition will be lifted as a way for the governments to add free money into the systems. We are all privilege to live at a very important time in history, where the future for planet earth is being decided.
The question is are you willing to go out into the streets and protest? Are you willing to try and make this world change for the better. If we the good people of the road don't make ourselves heard or work actively to make a difference then the freedoms we so desire will remain a dream
Chaos
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Dingo if I could give you +1million I would to bad I already have +1 within 72 hours. You and I are on the same wavelength. In the United States I would say its worse. They just use different tactics in this police state.
I say you and I tour the world and forget about the oppression that is taking over this world I once knew and loved. Sooner or later the United States will have the predator drones searching not only the United States for readings of drugs, but the whole world. There is no where to hide from all of the worlds governments. Maybe I should just move to the rainforest build a house, live there in peace off the land. Before I go ill spend all of my money, as I won't need it anymore, on a supply of drugs to last my whole life. The only thing I need now is a women like minded enough to live in such a way.
I can dream can't I....
Chaos
+1
Yea I agree. It's just so sad to see how the world is heading. I don't even want to think about what it will be like in 20 years time. Surveillance drones will be flying around making sure no one is being naughty. The 90's were the best years. People were nicer and you could have fun without worrying about being caught or fined for something that doesn't even harm anyone. Police used to be nicer and were friendly and would often let people away with a warning. Nowadays there is no such thing as friendly police.
I do intend on moving overseas in the future. I have commitments here now, but it's definitely on my plan. Not sure of here to go yet, but somewhere in Europe or Asia most likely. I've never been to South America, so I think I have to check out a few countries there first too before I decide. I want to live somewhere with relaxed laws that let people take responsibility for themselves. Even t he third world countries I've visited are nicer places to live than here. They may not have much money, but at least they are happy and don't have to worry about things people in the US or Australia have to worry about.
Hmmm a lifetime of supply of drugs sounds good too!
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@Dingo Ate My Drugs Do they really have police with dogs just walk the streets to try and smell drugs on people as they walk by? That's crazy ???
Yes they do. Mainly in the city areas of Sydney, Melbourne & Brisbane & Gold Coast though. But it is a hell of a surprise and it's very unfair. Drugs are a victimless crime.
Also at music festivals there are ALWAYS sniffer dogs and they strip search people if they have "reasonable suspicion" they are in possession of drugs and they sometimes go through peoples mobile phones to try and find out where the drugs came from and who supplied them.
Meanwhile, there have been countless shootings in Sydney over the past year or so and armed robberies are at some of the highest levels ever experienced in Australia.
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Yea I've noticed the US, UK and Australia are leading the world in diminishing peoples freedom and privacy.
But I'd have to say Australia is at the head of the pack. Our Prime Minister is an absolute idiot.
I think Julia Gillard is amazing. It's like watching Lady Macbeth pretending to be Mary Poppins.
Are you serious? You like Julia Gillard?
I'm terrible at picking up sarcasm just from reading it.
She is quite unpopular here and her ideas are very unpopular.
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I feel like its to late for this thread. If anyone wants to post an answer and bring this train back on the tracks please do so.
The way things are going in the world I see it as a 50/50 wether the world will plunge into a police state completely banning lists of things or prohibition will be lifted as a way for the governments to add free money into the systems. We are all privilege to live at a very important time in history, where the future for planet earth is being decided.
The question is are you willing to go out into the streets and protest? Are you willing to try and make this world change for the better. If we the good people of the road don't make ourselves heard or work actively to make a difference then the freedoms we so desire will remain a dream
Chaos
I think it's a 75 / 25% chance of it becoming a police state. I don't want to have to live like a child again, with someone telling me what I can and can't do.
The worst reason is "the cost to the economy." I read news articles daily about how employers should ban coffee breaks for workers because "a study found that it costs the country 11.4 billion dollars in lost productivity."
Fuck lost productivity. People need a 5 minute break to get a drink and get them through their 8-10+ hour work day. Besides, coffee contains caffeine which is a stimulant which helps you concentrate and work faster.
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Yea I've noticed the US, UK and Australia are leading the world in diminishing peoples freedom and privacy.
But I'd have to say Australia is at the head of the pack. Our Prime Minister is an absolute idiot.
I think Julia Gillard is amazing. It's like watching Lady Macbeth pretending to be Mary Poppins.
Are you serious? You like Julia Gillard?
I'm terrible at picking up sarcasm just from reading it.
She is quite unpopular here and her ideas are very unpopular.
Ha, don't worry, I'm not a Gillard fan. The thought curdles the blood. There was a great growling in the platypus community when she got elected by the foolish humans. It's like a creature which is a sockpuppets sockpuppets sockpuppet.
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Cops in Australia are allowed to pull a vehicle over and strip it completely bare if the officer on scene deems it necessary. They call it, "Officers discretion" - this basically allows Aus Pigs to get away with whatever they want. The laws governing it were brought in after the trade tower thing.
Look no further than Aussie Cops for corruption and malpractice.
New South Wales and Tasmanian Police Farces in particular get a special nod from the underworld and overworld heavyweights ;) ;) Aint that right Damian Bugg?? You know what i'm talkin about you little snake-in-the-grass prick.
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for more dirt on aussie politicians and other high ranking officials check out the following site - you will not see this stuff on mainstream media...
http://kangaroocourtofaustralia.com/
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Yea I've noticed the US, UK and Australia are leading the world in diminishing peoples freedom and privacy.
But I'd have to say Australia is at the head of the pack. Our Prime Minister is an absolute idiot.
I think Julia Gillard is amazing. It's like watching Lady Macbeth pretending to be Mary Poppins.
Are you serious? You like Julia Gillard?
I'm terrible at picking up sarcasm just from reading it.
She is quite unpopular here and her ideas are very unpopular.
Ha, don't worry, I'm not a Gillard fan. The thought curdles the blood. There was a great growling in the platypus community when she got elected by the foolish humans. It's like a creature which is a sockpuppets sockpuppets sockpuppet.
I have no idea why anyone voted for her, however the only reason why she won power was because she made secret deals with independent politicians. She gave them whatever they wanted if they agreed to support the Labour Party. A huge majority of the population is very close-minded and dim and accept anything the Government tells them.
Since speed cameras were introduced in Australia roughly 20-25 years ago, the motto has been "every K over is a killer." It is pretty much the only road rule that is actually enforced, along with drink-driving. Every other law is more difficult to enforce and doesn't create as much revenue as speed cameras. The majority of people these days actually believe they are safe drivers if they do not speed, yet they put make up on in the car, drive in whichever lane they want to, even when they aren't overtaking, etc. Just the whole attitude of people here is awful.
Also reckless Government spending infuriates me. They create Government jobs which are funded by more debt, and then gloat about low unemployment levels. A while back, one public servant went to he media and said they had been paid $90,000 per year for several years and hadn't actually turned up to work in over a year.
Also the minimum wage is now roughly $20 / hour which is too high. it makes everything here very expensive and has killed the international employment industry which is why unemployment has risen recently and tourism spots in Queensland such as the Gold Coast and tropical Queensland have high unemployment rates and occupancy for hotels and resorts is low.
Th worst part is that it is getting worse constantly. SO many new laws are being introduced which diminish freedom. The Government wished to spy on everything people do and their attitude is "if you're not doing anything illegal, you have nothing to worry about." For one, drugs should be legal or at least decriminalised and a lot of these laws are targeting drug use and distribution. But that isn't the point. People shouldn't have their privacy invaded by the Government. I think as time passes I will end up moving overseas. Not sure where yet, but there are much nicer and more relaxed places to live. The Australian Government is destroying Australia and this is made clear because there is a high number of Australian citizens moving to the UK or elsewhere.
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I have no idea why anyone voted for her, however the only reason why she won power was because she made secret deals with independent politicians. She gave them whatever they wanted if they agreed to support the Labour Party. A huge majority of the population is very close-minded and dim and accept anything the Government tells them.
Since speed cameras were introduced in Australia roughly 20-25 years ago, the motto has been "every K over is a killer." It is pretty much the only road rule that is actually enforced, along with drink-driving. Every other law is more difficult to enforce and doesn't create as much revenue as speed cameras. The majority of people these days actually believe they are safe drivers if they do not speed, yet they put make up on in the car, drive in whichever lane they want to, even when they aren't overtaking, etc. Just the whole attitude of people here is awful.
Also reckless Government spending infuriates me. They create Government jobs which are funded by more debt, and then gloat about low unemployment levels. A while back, one public servant went to he media and said they had been paid $90,000 per year for several years and hadn't actually turned up to work in over a year.
Also the minimum wage is now roughly $20 / hour which is too high. it makes everything here very expensive and has killed the international employment industry which is why unemployment has risen recently and tourism spots in Queensland such as the Gold Coast and tropical Queensland have high unemployment rates and occupancy for hotels and resorts is low.
Th worst part is that it is getting worse constantly. SO many new laws are being introduced which diminish freedom. The Government wished to spy on everything people do and their attitude is "if you're not doing anything illegal, you have nothing to worry about." For one, drugs should be legal or at least decriminalised and a lot of these laws are targeting drug use and distribution. But that isn't the point. People shouldn't have their privacy invaded by the Government. I think as time passes I will end up moving overseas. Not sure where yet, but there are much nicer and more relaxed places to live. The Australian Government is destroying Australia and this is made clear because there is a high number of Australian citizens moving to the UK or elsewhere.
I know and I agree with all of that. I think in the past that Australia has been on the rise economically due to external factors, but once the down cycle appears proper (as China's growth slows probably), as it does with all capitalist economies, then I think Australia is going to turn into a truly miserable place to be, I'm sure there will be riots on the streets, it'll be worse even in comparison to all the bullshit you're looking at now. It'd be nice if there was a way for there to be a direct feedback between redundant government policies and the people who make them. It's like politicians are the only people in the world who are expected to be useless at their jobs. We need a more scientific approach to getting rid of them, and I'm not talking about central planning or technocracy. Democracy has its advantages, but there has to be a way to get shot of these cadres of idiots without crude interventions every couple of years.
P.S. Fun fact for our resident conspiracy theorists: Pine was renamed (from a strain of weed) after my favorite ECHELON installation in Australia.
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Cops in Australia are allowed to pull a vehicle over and strip it completely bare if the officer on scene deems it necessary. They call it, "Officers discretion" - this basically allows Aus Pigs to get away with whatever they want. The laws governing it were brought in after the trade tower thing.
Look no further than Aussie Cops for corruption and malpractice.
New South Wales and Tasmanian Police Farces in particular get a special nod from the underworld and overworld heavyweights ;) ;) Aint that right Damian Bugg?? You know what i'm talkin about you little snake-in-the-grass prick.
I remember a couple of ears ago when loads of Gold Coast cops were caught distributing mass amounts of meth. And they were senior police officers too, not just the low-level ones. So you have got to wonder how many more there are that are selling drugs.
And yea it is ridiculous that police can have such power as to search cars how they do these days.
Give it a few years and they'll be door knocking to randomly search houses too.
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It compares to predator drones heat seeking over houses in California, looking for heat signatures that would resemble a grow op.
Where is the world going?
Chaos
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I have no idea why anyone voted for her, however the only reason why she won power was because she made secret deals with independent politicians. She gave them whatever they wanted if they agreed to support the Labour Party. A huge majority of the population is very close-minded and dim and accept anything the Government tells them.
Since speed cameras were introduced in Australia roughly 20-25 years ago, the motto has been "every K over is a killer." It is pretty much the only road rule that is actually enforced, along with drink-driving. Every other law is more difficult to enforce and doesn't create as much revenue as speed cameras. The majority of people these days actually believe they are safe drivers if they do not speed, yet they put make up on in the car, drive in whichever lane they want to, even when they aren't overtaking, etc. Just the whole attitude of people here is awful.
Also reckless Government spending infuriates me. They create Government jobs which are funded by more debt, and then gloat about low unemployment levels. A while back, one public servant went to he media and said they had been paid $90,000 per year for several years and hadn't actually turned up to work in over a year.
Also the minimum wage is now roughly $20 / hour which is too high. it makes everything here very expensive and has killed the international employment industry which is why unemployment has risen recently and tourism spots in Queensland such as the Gold Coast and tropical Queensland have high unemployment rates and occupancy for hotels and resorts is low.
Th worst part is that it is getting worse constantly. SO many new laws are being introduced which diminish freedom. The Government wished to spy on everything people do and their attitude is "if you're not doing anything illegal, you have nothing to worry about." For one, drugs should be legal or at least decriminalised and a lot of these laws are targeting drug use and distribution. But that isn't the point. People shouldn't have their privacy invaded by the Government. I think as time passes I will end up moving overseas. Not sure where yet, but there are much nicer and more relaxed places to live. The Australian Government is destroying Australia and this is made clear because there is a high number of Australian citizens moving to the UK or elsewhere.
I know and I agree with all of that. I think in the past that Australia has been on the rise economically due to external factors, but once the down cycle appears proper (as China's growth slows probably), as it does with all capitalist economies, then I think Australia is going to turn into a truly miserable place to be, I'm sure there will be riots on the streets, it'll be worse even in comparison to all the bullshit you're looking at now. It'd be nice if there was a way for there to be a direct feedback between redundant government policies and the people who make them. It's like politicians are the only people in the world who are expected to be useless at their jobs. We need a more scientific approach to getting rid of them, and I'm not talking about central planning or technocracy. Democracy has its advantages, but there has to be a way to get shot of these cadres of idiots without crude interventions every couple of years.
P.S. Fun fact for our resident conspiracy theorists: Pine was renamed (from a strain of weed) after my favorite ECHELON installation in Australia.
Australia is very lucky that we have lots of natural resources and that is why the economy has grown well in the past, but this won't last forever and it is already slowing. Once it starts to slow a bit more and the Government debt gets even higher, the country will be fucked - it will be like Detroit. I agree that there will be riots, etc. However I think this will happen in a lot of countries. I'm not saying it will be World War 3, but in my opinion there will be a lot of political disruption in a lot of countries around the world in 5 - 20 years time.
Also, +1.
I wish I could meet some of the people on here in real-life. Think how well we'd get along! Pine, chaosforpeace and many, many more who I can't remember the usernames to right now.
It would be good if the majority of the population who are clueless and dim can stay where they are and continue being "protected" by the Government.
And those of us who do not wish to be protected can go and start our own country which will given us supreme freedom and rights. A country that has no leader. Instead every citizen would have equal leadership. That country would thrive and the people living there would be happy. Think about how many things there are to worry about these days. There are so many things that people spend their lives worrying and stressing about. How they will afford to pay off their mortgage because the average house price in Australia is nearly $500,000. Worrying if they were speeding past that speed camera on the way home from their 12 hour day at work. Worrying about getting caught walking home with 1/4 of weed or a gram of speed. Everything that we worry about diminishes our happiness and that is why so many people have anxiety and depression. And the way they fix these problems is with prescription pills which have side effects. so they get more prescription pills, etc. I know someone who has depression and anxiety and they were prescribed xanax. That made them lethargic, hungry and put on weight, which made them even more depressed. So they were given phentermine (a type of amphetamine used for weight-loss). That made them not able to sleep at night, so their xanax dose was made higher. After several months they had to stop the phentermine because they can only prescribe it for a certain amount of time. Then they put on more weight and got more depressed and were put on a second type of anti-depressant. It only got worse - Prescription pills are given out like candy. Pills do not fix problems. They temporarily relieve the problem, but they do not fix it.
Sorry for the rant... My point is that people have too much to worry about these days. Governments only make more things for people to worry about and less things for people to enjoy. When will it stop? When will people stop and think to themselves about how dire their life is. The majority of people spend their weekends at home, inside watching TV. It is safe, but personally I would rather go and do something new and exciting. Not watch race cars go around a track for 10 hours. How does watching TV all weekend refresh your mind and make you feel good? I just don't get it...
Life in the 1800's would have been a lot tougher but at least people didn't have the worries and stress that they have now.
In a little while when I have a bit of time, I will make a post here and have a proper argument about the future of politics... If anyone is interested?
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Which country has the most relaxed drug laws? Holland / Spain / Portugal / Canada...not much between them
Which country has greatest freedom of speech? Great Britain
Which country has the most liberal laws regarding internet monitoring / filtering? Japan
Which country has the greatest freedom of media control? Australia / Great Britain
Which country has the least corruption? Germany / Japan / Sweden / Finland
Which country gives the most freedom in terms of a person doing what he pleases? Holland / Denmark
Which country has the most freedom in regards to minors? Any scandinavian country
Which country has the most relaxed security? This question needs unpacking further to render it meaningful....
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Which country has the most relaxed drug laws? Holland / Spain / Portugal / Canada...not much between them
Which country has greatest freedom of speech? Great Britain
Which country has the most liberal laws regarding internet monitoring / filtering? Japan
Which country has the greatest freedom of media control? Australia / Great Britain
Which country has the least corruption? Germany / Japan / Sweden / Finland
Which country gives the most freedom in terms of a person doing what he pleases? Holland / Denmark
Which country has the most freedom in regards to minors? Any scandinavian country
Which country has the most relaxed security? This question needs unpacking further to render it meaningful....
Care to explain your answers?
Chaos
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Which country has the most relaxed drug laws? Holland / Spain / Portugal / Canada...not much between them
Which country has greatest freedom of speech? Great Britain
Which country has the most liberal laws regarding internet monitoring / filtering? Japan
Which country has the greatest freedom of media control? Australia / Great Britain
Which country has the least corruption? Germany / Japan / Sweden / Finland
Which country gives the most freedom in terms of a person doing what he pleases? Holland / Denmark
Which country has the most freedom in regards to minors? Any scandinavian country
Which country has the most relaxed security? This question needs unpacking further to render it meaningful....
Care to explain your answers?
Chaos
There are a number of countries where you can walk down the road with a spliff in your hand and not be arrested, I listed them.
UK media has so much freedom they're out of control.
I lived in both Germany and Japan. Germans are almost incorruptable. Japanese less so, but still rare.
Very little internet filtering in Japan with many very violent and child porn related content, but manga style and real.
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Which country has the most relaxed drug laws?
Holland, Portugal.
Which country has greatest freedom of speech?
Not one single US newspaper dared reprint the "Muhammed cartoon drawings" From a Danish newspaper, some years ago. A few newspapers in other EU countries reprinted them though, to show support for the freedom of speech. So I would say, most western European countries.
Which country has the most liberal laws regarding internet monitoring / filtering?
I'm not sure at all. But maybe Brazil?
Which country has the greatest freedom of media control?
I would say western Europe again. Might very well be other countries out there with just as much freedom of media control. I just can't think of any ATM.
Which country has the least corruption?
Scandinavia: Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Finland
Which country gives the most freedom in terms of a person doing what he pleases?
Depends on how you look at it. I'm pretty sure I can do whatever I please, more or less. In various countries in Africa, as long as I payed a few $ to the local police. Which is being seen more like a tax by the locals, than a bribe.
Which country has the most freedom in regards to minors?
Maybe Spain.
Which country has the most relaxed security?
Jamaica :D
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Personal amounts of most drugs aren't illegal in Mexico... including weed, coke, heroin and LSD.
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Which country has the most relaxed drug laws?
Definitely Czech Republic. Personal use of all drugs is completely legal. Canada still has laws against personal use of everything, even weed I think. Holland has essentially legalized marijuana and is relaxed on soft drugs in general, but hard drugs are still illegal. Portugal has decriminalized personal use of all drugs, but they still confiscate them and can sentence people to drug treatment if they consider them addicts. Czech Republic is the only country I am aware of where personal use amounts or any drugs cannot even be confiscated by the police.
Which country has greatest freedom of speech?
USA has significant freedom of speech laws. I don't know how far freedom of speech extends in the Czech Republic, but they have legalized possession of child pornography and that to me is a big sign that they respect freedom of speech, in this specific instance they have much more freedom of speech than the USA does.
Which country has the most liberal laws regarding internet monitoring / filtering?
The USA is one of the only countries in the world that does not mandate ISPs to engage in any data retention. Germany is another country that has refused to engage in mandatory data retention for ISPs, and I believe they have even ordered ISPs to stop engaging in data retention practices in the past. However the USA signals intelligence agency engages in a massive amount of spying on internet traffic. Pretty much all developed countries will have signals intelligence agencies that engage in this sort of surveillance though. There is also very little to no filtering of the Internet mandated in the USA, at least not in the same way as China or Australia. However, the USA has engaged in censorship of specific websites, such as gambling websites, where they seize their domain names. I have heard that Iceland is one of the most free countries in regards to lack of Internet censorship, and I believe they have strict laws protecting internet freedom. Czech Republic doesn't prevent people from accessing CP sites so that is in their favor.
Which country has the greatest freedom of media control?
Theoretically, the USA has a lot of freedom for the media. Pretty much the only thing they are prevented from doing is publishing child pornography.
Which country has the least corruption?
No idea, Sweden definitely comes to mind though.
Which country gives the most freedom in terms of a person doing what he pleases?
Definitely Czech Republic. Prostitution is legal, the age of consent is pretty low, possession of CP is legal, possession of personal use amounts of all drugs is essentially legal.
Which country has the most freedom in regards to minors?
Not sure
Which country has the most relaxed security?
No idea
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Interesting.
Chaos
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Interesting.
Chaos
With all due respect some of the thoughts I've seen on here are fairly different from what I've seen published in studies by large organizations (not necessarily saying that reputable is the same as accurate).
For example the Heritage Foundation (I believe they are a US "conservative" think tank) has Hong Kong as #1 economically and US just at #10 (and falling every year):
*Clearnet*
http://www.heritage.org/index/
For press freedom Reporters Without Borders has Finland as #1 and the US at #32:
*Clearnet*
http://en.rsf.org/press-freedom-index-2013,1054.html
As an American who visited Australia it seemed like the police in Australia are less confrontation, especially when they're walking their "beat". I remember some of them weren't even carrying guns (rarely see this in the US). On the other hand their customs are a bitch and it seems like Australian culture has a decently large "conservative" demographic. They have tried to ban online porn, they've have serious ethnic issues with the Lebanese and Aboriginies (sp?), and their Prime Ministers always seem to be more than happy to blurt out whatever is on their mind (I remember John Howard essentially telling all foreigners to "embrace Australian traditional culture or GTFO!". They were one of, if not the, biggest "allies" of the US Government with regards to the War on Terrorism.
I feel like it's hard to calculate social freedom because a.) what is considered social freedom and b.) how to accurate calculate and weigh the different variables? Would love to see any decent list published about it though.
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Interesting.
Chaos
With all due respect some of the thoughts I've seen on here are fairly different from what I've seen published in studies by large organizations (not necessarily saying that reputable is the same as accurate).
For example the Heritage Foundation (I believe they are a US "conservative" think tank) has Hong Kong as #1 economically and US just at #10 (and falling every year):
*Clearnet*
http://www.heritage.org/index/
For press freedom Reporters Without Borders has Finland as #1 and the US at #32:
*Clearnet*
http://en.rsf.org/press-freedom-index-2013,1054.html
As an American who visited Australia it seemed like the police in Australia are less confrontation, especially when they're walking their "beat". I remember some of them weren't even carrying guns (rarely see this in the US). On the other hand their customs are a bitch and it seems like Australian culture has a decently large "conservative" demographic. They have tried to ban online porn, they've have serious ethnic issues with the Lebanese and Aboriginies (sp?), and their Prime Ministers always seem to be more than happy to blurt out whatever is on their mind (I remember John Howard essentially telling all foreigners to "embrace Australian traditional culture or GTFO!". They were one of, if not the, biggest "allies" of the US Government with regards to the War on Terrorism.
I feel like it's hard to calculate social freedom because a.) what is considered social freedom and b.) how to accurate calculate and weigh the different variables? Would love to see any decent list published about it though.
I live in in Austalia... I'd have to agree with alot of the points you made. Generally when walking around during the day police don't really do much other than walk around. However if you go into the nightclub districts at night time it is a different story. People get randomly searched and they sniff your water bottle to make sure it doesn't have alcohol in it. if it does, they fine you. Such a pathetic law - fining for drinking in public.
Also if you are driving a car and get pulled over you will be treated like shit usually. You are assumed to be drunk, on drugs or a hoon without any proper reason and they receive a lecture on safe driving, etc. Most of the money put towards police is put towards traffic cops these days, because it raises a fortune in revenue for the government.
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Australia is very lucky that we have lots of natural resources and that is why the economy has grown well in the past, but this won't last forever and it is already slowing. Once it starts to slow a bit more and the Government debt gets even higher, the country will be fucked - it will be like Detroit. I agree that there will be riots, etc. However I think this will happen in a lot of countries. I'm not saying it will be World War 3, but in my opinion there will be a lot of political disruption in a lot of countries around the world in 5 - 20 years time.
Also, +1.
I wish I could meet some of the people on here in real-life. Think how well we'd get along! Pine, chaosforpeace and many, many more who I can't remember the usernames to right now.
Alas, impossible.
It would be good if the majority of the population who are clueless and dim can stay where they are and continue being "protected" by the Government.
And those of us who do not wish to be protected can go and start our own country which will given us supreme freedom and rights. A country that has no leader. Instead every citizen would have equal leadership. That country would thrive and the people living there would be happy. Think about how many things there are to worry about these days. There are so many things that people spend their lives worrying and stressing about. How they will afford to pay off their mortgage because the average house price in Australia is nearly $500,000.
No housing boom lasts forever. And when the bust comes, hey! Super cheap property! Everybody is always "they're not making more of it [land] anymore" and other bullshit that passes for economic wisdom, until they're practically giving houses away. The key thing is to wait it out and be patient.
Worrying if they were speeding past that speed camera on the way home from their 12 hour day at work. Worrying about getting caught walking home with 1/4 of weed or a gram of speed. Everything that we worry about diminishes our happiness and that is why so many people have anxiety and depression. And the way they fix these problems is with prescription pills which have side effects. so they get more prescription pills, etc. I know someone who has depression and anxiety and they were prescribed xanax. That made them lethargic, hungry and put on weight, which made them even more depressed. So they were given phentermine (a type of amphetamine used for weight-loss). That made them not able to sleep at night, so their xanax dose was made higher. After several months they had to stop the phentermine because they can only prescribe it for a certain amount of time. Then they put on more weight and got more depressed and were put on a second type of anti-depressant. It only got worse - Prescription pills are given out like candy. Pills do not fix problems. They temporarily relieve the problem, but they do not fix it.
That is true. Take morphine. It's a fantastic substance. Without it, the world would be a much less civilized place, especially in times of war. But there is huge potential for painkiller addiction in general.
The central problem is that people don't want to take responsibility for their actions. Like learning encryption, many people want to outsource their problems to others. Now, normally this is a good idea. That's why I don't try and make a homemade car in the garage, other people can do it better than me. But. There are certain things that simply cannot be outsourced to others, you have to investigate the area yourself or you'll fuck it up or get fucked up by somebody else. Money, drugs and encryption are good examples of such things.
I think a practical libertarian realizes this, and stays somewhere between Richardo's Law of Comparative Advantage and his or her instincts about the appropriate level of self sufficiency.
Sorry for the rant... My point is that people have too much to worry about these days. Governments only make more things for people to worry about and less things for people to enjoy. When will it stop? When will people stop and think to themselves about how dire their life is. The majority of people spend their weekends at home, inside watching TV. It is safe, but personally I would rather go and do something new and exciting. Not watch race cars go around a track for 10 hours. How does watching TV all weekend refresh your mind and make you feel good? I just don't get it...
Life in the 1800's would have been a lot tougher but at least people didn't have the worries and stress that they have now.
In a little while when I have a bit of time, I will make a post here and have a proper argument about the future of politics... If anyone is interested?
Well, that's the thing with governments vs corporations. If the people get enough product, they slow down on their consumption of that product. If people pay for governance from our modern governments, our governments invent more things to govern. It's a fundamentally perverse arrangement, many people other than libertarians think so too.
And if you want to make an argument, well, that's why the Philosophy subforum exists :)
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Yes, impossible. But it would be great. Haha.
The house prices here did drop for a couple of years, but not much of a drop like in the US or Europe. Prices went down about 10 - 25%, and have since risen again.
I agree. Some people can never take responsibility, which is quite sad I think. it is always someone else's fault.
Nowadays, people are so stupid they blame the Government for things they did which was their own stupidity which caused them harm.
Example: "There was nothing to stop me from walking on the train tracks, so I walked on them and got hit by a train and now I have no legs. The Government is responsible for allowing me access to the train tracks." This has happened. And the other big one I hate is when obese people whinge and blame McDonalds because they are so fat they can no longer move. And same with smokers blaming tobacco companies.
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I am posting this in a few threads that I see chaosforpeace posted in.
I am a friend of Choasforpeace and am trying to raise money for him.
Please donate to help chaosforpeace pay for a lawyer. The police confiscated all of his cash as evidence, he cannot even pay bail. He is stuck in holding until his court date. Any amount helps. I will be checking his accounts regularly.
Every penny counts,
Thanks
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I am posting this in a few threads that I see chaosforpeace posted in.
I am a friend of Choasforpeace and am trying to raise money for him.
Please donate to help chaosforpeace pay for a lawyer. The police confiscated all of his cash as evidence, he cannot even pay bail. He is stuck in holding until his court date. Any amount helps. I will be checking his accounts regularly.
Every penny counts,
Thanks
Well I would like to point out I personally believe this is a SCAM and here is why that is.
Here is a post from Chaos on 5/15
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=160724.0
"Re: Help a trusted hero member of the Silk Road beat his charges and go free
« Reply #11 on: Today at 08:09 am »
Quote
Quote from: onezero32 on Today at 07:19 am
While it's great you're trying to help your friend, and I hope he get's the help he needs to fight the injustices he's facing. That kid seriously needs to take this as a wake up call that he's not cut out for this kind of thing. After all the dramas he's supposedly gone through over the last few months it's time he finds a new hobby.
Well that is just it. He is a kid who hasn't learned from his mistakes. He kept telling me that this time there was no way for him to get caught. He told myself and one other person. Unfortunately for him that one other person had a run in with the law and rolled on chaosforpeace for everything. I believe he can get out of the serious charges if he just had a good lawyer. In my opinion they are missing allot of proof. As it is they are trying to stick him with a mandatory minimum of 20 years, probably more."
PLEASE PAY ATTENTION TO THE SPELLING OF ALLOT, AS MOST SPELL IT "A LOT" OR "ALOT" BUT FEW SPELL IT "ALLOT"
now look at a post from 4/15
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=148971.msg1027942#msg1027942
"Silk Road discussion / Re: Someone ordered 25 kilos from China 21 days ago
« on: April 18, 2013, 02:21 pm »
Dr. Gonzo is one of the most trusted members of the road. If this was fake than Dr. Gonzo would have been charged an SR fee for buying his own item. At 70,000$ Dr. Gonzo paid SR 1,050$ in fee's.
Most likely this is just a buyer who purchased from the Docter multiple times so he trusts him. It would show allot on how trustworthy the Docter is because if someone else was in the same position with 70,000$, well would you do the same and ship the product or keep it?
Chaos
"
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PLEASE PAY ATTENTION TO THE SPELLING OF ALLOT, AS MOST SPELL IT "A LOT" OR "ALOT" BUT FEW SPELL IT "ALLOT"
The same ODD misspelling of a word a month before he was arrested
make your own conclusions
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I am posting this in a few threads that I see chaosforpeace posted in.
I am a friend of Choasforpeace and am trying to raise money for him.
Please donate to help chaosforpeace pay for a lawyer. The police confiscated all of his cash as evidence, he cannot even pay bail. He is stuck in holding until his court date. Any amount helps. I will be checking his accounts regularly.
Every penny counts,
Thanks
Well I would like to point out I personally believe this is a SCAM and here is why that is.
Here is a post from Chaos on 5/15
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=160724.0
"Re: Help a trusted hero member of the Silk Road beat his charges and go free
« Reply #11 on: Today at 08:09 am »
Quote
Quote from: onezero32 on Today at 07:19 am
While it's great you're trying to help your friend, and I hope he get's the help he needs to fight the injustices he's facing. That kid seriously needs to take this as a wake up call that he's not cut out for this kind of thing. After all the dramas he's supposedly gone through over the last few months it's time he finds a new hobby.
Well that is just it. He is a kid who hasn't learned from his mistakes. He kept telling me that this time there was no way for him to get caught. He told myself and one other person. Unfortunately for him that one other person had a run in with the law and rolled on chaosforpeace for everything. I believe he can get out of the serious charges if he just had a good lawyer. In my opinion they are missing allot of proof. As it is they are trying to stick him with a mandatory minimum of 20 years, probably more."
PLEASE PAY ATTENTION TO THE SPELLING OF ALLOT, AS MOST SPELL IT "A LOT" OR "ALOT" BUT FEW SPELL IT "ALLOT"
now look at a post from 4/15
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=148971.msg1027942#msg1027942
"Silk Road discussion / Re: Someone ordered 25 kilos from China 21 days ago
« on: April 18, 2013, 02:21 pm »
Dr. Gonzo is one of the most trusted members of the road. If this was fake than Dr. Gonzo would have been charged an SR fee for buying his own item. At 70,000$ Dr. Gonzo paid SR 1,050$ in fee's.
Most likely this is just a buyer who purchased from the Docter multiple times so he trusts him. It would show allot on how trustworthy the Docter is because if someone else was in the same position with 70,000$, well would you do the same and ship the product or keep it?
Chaos
"
PLEASE PAY ATTENTION TO THE SPELLING OF ALLOT, AS MOST SPELL IT "A LOT" OR "ALOT" BUT FEW SPELL IT "ALLOT"
The same ODD misspelling of a word a month before he was arrested
make your own conclusions
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+1
Whilst we will never know for sure, it does seem like a scam. I have no problem with anyone on Silk Road and I'm sure a lot of people on here make up loads of crap.
Chasoforpeace has made posts previously about being arrested and tens of thousands of NBOME tabs being seized after his house was raided, apparently he imported 40kg cocaine, owns a Lamborghini... Several other extravagant claims. If any of this were true, chaosforpeace would surely have the common sense to store some money away safely in case this ever happened.