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Discussion => Security => Topic started by: munkies on March 17, 2013, 04:12 pm
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Is there any info on the deep web about specific ways LE tracks drug dealers? Like official manuals used by police academies? Also I would like to learn more about their interogation methods. I've never had any problems with LE, but I want to be prepared for the day (which I hope never comes) when I will. I want to understand how they operate so I can be one step ahead of them and have ways to say if they're on to me.
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Go to the search page.
Search for: [intel] (with the brackets)
By user: kmfkewm
He posted a bunch of stuff last year. Some of it looks like it might be relevant.
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you can usually find stuff with the right keywords on google, and throwing in .pdf
the more you search the more interesting things you find. If it is academic read citations, a lot is from LE agencies though.
if you find anything interesting post in in this sub forum with an [intel] tag
has been a while since I last searched for some LE docs, seems they are getting a little bit better at keeping their shit internal but there will always be unintentional leaks when they throw shit on the internet or it is widely disseminated even if it has FOUO stamped on it.
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You can find all kinds of stuff on Google. Here's a fun search:
BEGIN PGP PRIVATE KEY BLOCK filetype:asc
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If you search "X anti-money laundering policy" where X is some company name you can find the various things that raise red flags.
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As a former LEO, I can tell you that most of the stuff published in manuals is really boring shit. The best in-service trainings I ever attended were not about manuals, but about experiences.
Police methodology is governed by two factors: experience (what has worked for your department or for other departments or is a nationally recognized method) and law. All law is public knowledge; the more you learn about the 4th, 5th, 6th, and 7th amendments, and what Supreme Court decisions have shaped legal understanding of them, the better able you'll be to resist police searches and interrogations, and if you become a defendant, you'll better understand your rights after arrest.
As for experience, well, police learn by doing. When they get lucky and some innovative officer in Florida pulls over a guy for speeding, smells pot, and finds 6 kilos of weed stashed in the craziest places, well that becomes part of national police training on interdiction methods of finding hidden pot in vehicles. Most cops know (okay, to be fair, let's say that many cops think) that if you don't take care of your car, then you probably have other things fucked up about your life. So, you might find the drug dog circling your car after you've been pulled over for a blown headlight. Drug interdiction is the biggest financial industry in law enforcement today. So, if some guy in Arizona gets busted because of a specific method that you're using now, be certain that cops in your local jurisdiction are being briefed on it within the next 30-60 days. You might want to change tactics.
What else can I tell you that's worth a damn? Oh, I don't know. Just that cops learn from criminals. They're reading this thread. The SR is a step ahead of them, and they *hate* that with a capital *hate*.
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As a former LEO, I can tell you that most of the stuff published in manuals is really boring shit. The best in-service trainings I ever attended were not about manuals, but about experiences.
Police methodology is governed by two factors: experience (what has worked for your department or for other departments or is a nationally recognized method) and law. All law is public knowledge; the more you learn about the 4th, 5th, 6th, and 7th amendments, and what Supreme Court decisions have shaped legal understanding of them, the better able you'll be to resist police searches and interrogations, and if you become a defendant, you'll better understand your rights after arrest.
As for experience, well, police learn by doing. When they get lucky and some innovative officer in Florida pulls over a guy for speeding, smells pot, and finds 6 kilos of weed stashed in the craziest places, well that becomes part of national police training on interdiction methods of finding hidden pot in vehicles. Most cops know (okay, to be fair, let's say that many cops think) that if you don't take care of your car, then you probably have other things fucked up about your life. So, you might find the drug dog circling your car after you've been pulled over for a blown headlight. Drug interdiction is the biggest financial industry in law enforcement today. So, if some guy in Arizona gets busted because of a specific method that you're using now, be certain that cops in your local jurisdiction are being briefed on it within the next 30-60 days. You might want to change tactics.
What else can I tell you that's worth a damn? Oh, I don't know. Just that cops learn from criminals. They're reading this thread. The SR is a step ahead of them, and they *hate* that with a capital *hate*.
On behalf on SR, I'd like to thank you for coming here Sleepy Eyes.. You have a bunch of good advice for us all, and it really is helpful to have an ex LE about to give us tips/guidance here and there.
If you don't mind me asking, what made you come join the road? You would think with you being ex LE you would be against this place.
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If you don't mind me asking, what made you come join the road? You would think with you being ex LE you would be against this place.
Thanks for the compliment, MrA. Yeah, a few years ago, I was all, like, "drugs are bad!" But, some things happened to me that showed me how the government's position on narcotics is really just curtailing personal freedom, and it is hurting some people who are really seeking help for medical conditions. Also, it's an enormous waste. Where's the war on gun violence? Where's the war on poverty (well, that's a thing, but look where we are with that)? On any given night, there are 62,000 homeless veterans. That's only about 12% of all homeless people. Why are Americans spending such vast amounts of resources to retain drug prohibition when her people are dying in the streets (and in her schools), her veterans are sleeping on the streets, and a large and growing sector of people who used to be in the middle class both are and will soon be out on the streets?
I think that maybe some people (competent adults) shouldn't take certain kinds of drugs, but I think they should be allowed to find that out for themselves. I love the SR, but I think it shouldn't have to exist. I think I should be able to buy cocaine at the corner market, whether I live in America or Saudi Arabia or anywhere in between.
But, in America, cops LOVE the war on drugs, because it funds their departments. Every time they raid a house full of drugs and cash, they get to keep a lot of the cash (the feds take the rest), and they get a portion of the tax money from the seized drugs (and, they may never see much of that, but if that person lives long enough, if he ever gets a legitimate job, he will be hounded for many, many years by this tax burden). They can buy cool toys for their SWAT teams, new cars, new uniforms, and it makes their leader, be he chief or sheriff, look wonderful. It isn't about keeping anyone safe; it has nothing to do with the motto of "to protect and serve." It is political, immoral, and shameful.
I am ranting, perhaps. And, I could tell you stories that would both make you cringe and give away too much about who I really am. For now, let me just say that my experience as a police officer is valuable to me now, because it helps me understand how not to get caught. But, some, more successful people might say it makes me too cautious. So there's that. Does it mean I'll never get caught? Oh, no. There are no guarantees in this game. I just feel like if local cops bust down my door (and they will send the SWAT team, given my background and training, even though I don't own a gun and wouldn't hurt anyone), it will be a really stupid thing. I'd actually feel better if it were the DEA. :)
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If you don't mind me asking, what made you come join the road? You would think with you being ex LE you would be against this place.
Thanks for the compliment, MrA. Yeah, a few years ago, I was all, like, "drugs are bad!" But, some things happened to me that showed me how the government's position on narcotics is really just curtailing personal freedom, and it is hurting some people who are really seeking help for medical conditions. Also, it's an enormous waste. Where's the war on gun violence? Where's the war on poverty (well, that's a thing, but look where we are with that)? On any given night, there are 62,000 homeless veterans. That's only about 12% of all homeless people. Why are Americans spending such vast amounts of resources to retain drug prohibition when her people are dying in the streets (and in her schools), her veterans are sleeping on the streets, and a large and growing sector of people who used to be in the middle class both are and will soon be out on the streets?
I think that maybe some people (competent adults) shouldn't take certain kinds of drugs, but I think they should be allowed to find that out for themselves. I love the SR, but I think it shouldn't have to exist. I think I should be able to buy cocaine at the corner market, whether I live in America or Saudi Arabia or anywhere in between.
But, in America, cops LOVE the war on drugs, because it funds their departments. Every time they raid a house full of drugs and cash, they get to keep a lot of the cash (the feds take the rest), and they get a portion of the tax money from the seized drugs (and, they may never see much of that, but if that person lives long enough, if he ever gets a legitimate job, he will be hounded for many, many years by this tax burden). They can buy cool toys for their SWAT teams, new cars, new uniforms, and it makes their leader, be he chief or sheriff, look wonderful. It isn't about keeping anyone safe; it has nothing to do with the motto of "to protect and serve." It is political, immoral, and shameful.
I am ranting, perhaps. And, I could tell you stories that would both make you cringe and give away too much about who I really am. For now, let me just say that my experience as a police officer is valuable to me now, because it helps me understand how not to get caught. But, some, more successful people might say it makes me too cautious. So there's that. Does it mean I'll never get caught? Oh, no. There are no guarantees in this game. I just feel like if local cops bust down my door (and they will send the SWAT team, given my background and training, even though I don't own a gun and wouldn't hurt anyone), it will be a really stupid thing. I'd actually feel better if it were the DEA. :)
So good to read a post like this where someone has woken up to the reality of the real agenda being imposed upon the populace. I've said it may times, governments should be afraid of the people, not the other way around. The systems of coercion and control used to spread disinformation and fear to keep the work force docile and obedient are being exposed more than ever yet so many people are walking through life in a coma fed on junk food and lies broadcast into their lives by the laughable 'news' media.
+1 sleepyeyes2k2
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I've got the manual 'Practical Drug Enforcement' (338 pages) 'Clandestine Lab techniques-Mexican Connection'(68 pages)', 'Clandestine Lab Techniques Investigation Safety' (48 pages)', 'Informant Management' (26 pages). I tried to up load, but the maximum attachment is 128 kilobites.
Where is a place that I can post it anonymously?
I'll check this thread later.
It is slightly boring, but for the careful person might be required reading.
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I've got the manual 'Practical Drug Enforcement' (338 pages) 'Clandestine Lab techniques-Mexican Connection'(68 pages)', 'Clandestine Lab Techniques Investigation Safety' (48 pages)', 'Informant Management' (26 pages). I tried to up load, but the maximum attachment is 128 kilobites.
Where is a place that I can post it anonymously?
I'll check this thread later.
It is slightly boring, but for the careful person might be required reading.
You should be able to upload them to bayfiles.com or anonfiles.com through Tor. The former is from the TPB crowd (operated out of Hong Kong, I think) and the latter is (allegedly) run by people in Anonymous. Just use Tor when uploading and it and you should be fine.
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Practical Drug Enforcement 338 pages
https://anonfiles.com/file/fcc60adda2ca6a664da5465b467b19f5
Clan Lab tech Mexican Connection 68 pg.
https://anonfiles.com/file/8882b8c93707683010a4747036e4feda
Clan Lab tech safety 48 pg.
https://anonfiles.com/file/39206616e10cc2082d3688505c58d6f4
Informant Management 26 pg.
https://anonfiles.com/file/e53275a046e3f48ad42b9db439996eeb
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Nice. Thanks, lokiju.
Another option is this hidden service: http://oukryuqqc7ffenin.onion/
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Anybody downloading files through Tor needs to either read them on a machine that's not on any network, or follow my virtual machine tutorial in my sig. Downloading files via Tor and then just opening up PDFs is insane, it's easy to deanonymize you that way. I'm not pointing fingers at people, just at a possible attack vector everybody needs to be more aware of generally.
Tutorial on using a virtual machine to prevent deanonymization here:
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=39320.0
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Thanks Pine, I should have had clearnet warnings on my post. I won't put up more links like that.
Hi Astor,
I went to the onion link Tor and uploaded OK, but how do you link to there? It says 'allowed types' rar and zip. Mine were pdf, so maybe it didn't work?
Thanks for the link, I've got a lot of books I'd like to reference online.
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If someone copy pastes those into their on threads that would be nice. Will donate $20 for it.
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usually you can upload with a false extension and upload whatever the hell you want even if the extension you want isn't allowed.
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LE manuals make me chuckle. My old man is a LEO, he always talks about how criminals *think* they are a step ahead of LE, but they're not.
This isn't a chicken/egg scenario. The "thief" (i use that term loosely here just for the sake of argument, cause most of us here aren't thieves) clearly came before the sheriff.....
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Is there any info on the deep web about specific ways LE tracks drug dealers? Like official manuals used by police academies? Also I would like to learn more about their interogation methods. I've never had any problems with LE, but I want to be prepared for the day (which I hope never comes) when I will. I want to understand how they operate so I can be one step ahead of them and have ways to say if they're on to me.
I can get you any of the training manuals but I think you'd likely be bored with how they catch drug dealers. Here's a rule of thumb: good informant, good case. bad informant, bad case. no informant, no case.
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Thanks Pine, I should have had clearnet warnings on my post. I won't put up more links like that.
Hi Astor,
I went to the onion link Tor and uploaded OK, but how do you link to there? It says 'allowed types' rar and zip. Mine were pdf, so maybe it didn't work?
Thanks for the link, I've got a lot of books I'd like to reference online.
Hi lokiju, it doesn't matter whether the link comes from filternet or darknet, www or the tor network, what matters is whether the file has a 'call home' function, either as a result of remote data embedded into the file e.g. like a call to a serverside image which you then download via your real IP address when you open the file (uh oh), or a more sophisticated deanonymizing exploit devised by a LE malware developer.
I recommend to the readers of your files you're uploading that they follow my instructions for setting up a non-networked virtual machine so that they can read the information without worrying about such things. This is like a special container or sandbox where you can stick any kind of file, even ones with viruses, and it won't affect your real machine. Digital equivalent of a glass jar for your bugs. It's not 100% perfect, but it's a long way preferable to opening files you download which were linked to on a drug forum.
If you want to do something to improve things, I suggest you checksum each file and put the result next to each filename in your post on SRF. That way if the file is modified by LE agents this can be discovered by people checking the checksum. However your readers using a virtual machine to read files is still preferable since anybody can be a LE agent. The only issue is whether your readers are tech enough to grasp the purpose of the checksum, so... you can upload pdfs to file sharing websites which display the file as a webpage. Then nobody is downloading a file and delivering an exploit is extremely difficult if you visit that page using Tor with JavaScript turned off. Just images and text, no actionable dynamic content.
-- Agent Pine
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LE Manuals?
LE is a dynamic enterprise... much like anyone on SR should be... dynamic. NOT STATIC.
Tactics change, so do manuals... If you learn the court cases... read the "Discovery"... You'll get a very good idea about methods. FOIA is your friend.
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LE is a dynamic enterprise... much like anyone on SR should be... dynamic. NOT STATIC.
Yeah, you'd think so, but the truth is that they get updated every six or seven years, if that, and that's only after significant enough changes in law make the old ones obsolete. This is why you'll get bored reading these things. If it's tactics, it's a response to things you know already (because they learned it from you). If it's law, to many it's boring by definition. If you're insane like me, you'll find it interesting, but you can find that information everywhere on the web.
LE is a dynamic enterprise, to be sure - but its authors aren't. The best you could hope for would be to somehow snag the powerpoint presentations of the good trainers. Good luck with that one.
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LE manuals make me chuckle. My old man is a LEO, he always talks about how criminals *think* they are a step ahead of LE, but they're not.
This isn't a chicken/egg scenario. The "thief" (i use that term loosely here just for the sake of argument, cause most of us here aren't thieves) clearly came before the sheriff.....
That's cool, and sure most your run of the mill law breakers are behind the times, but you better believe criminals ARE a step ahead of LE. They are constantly having to react to what is going on, and every time someone comes up with something to defeat them, and so on. Anyway just look at the black markets moving billions every year.
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Heres a link to a thread i read awhile back called The Art of Smuggling. I think a lot of his sources for this were from police journals or one article in particular
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=12208.0
Either way its an interesting read
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LE manuals are a lot like criminal wikis. They were old when they were written, and used up 6 months after they were posted. There are few actual strategies in them, and the ones that are there are rarely used anymore. I attended a DEA co-sponsored training that was AWESOME. We made crack. There was no manual. It was all power point, networking, videos, and training exercises. If you read a manual and think you know something, you're giving yourself a sense of false assurance.
Cops, on the other hand, often work under the false assumption that they are one step ahead of criminals. That's because most of the ones they catch are the really dumb ones. In my LE days, we called the jail the revolving door. We were always catching the same people, generally, for the same things, generally. There are legions of criminals for whom, when they are finally caught (if), it will be their first offense. The Road is an excellent example, but by no means the only one. You don't need a manual to be careful, keep away from doing dumb things, drive cautiously, and be an otherwise law-abiding citizen. Do that, and you'll never be a blip on the radar of a badge.
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Hey sleepyeyes hope you dont mind me asking but just outa curiosity what made you stop being a cop
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Can't say. Certain people might recognize me.