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Discussion => Off topic => Topic started by: FarmerBob on September 30, 2012, 06:40 am
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Thanks for stopping into my thread, I'm hoping you have a moment to help me out.
I'm curious what fraction of people recognize the plants in the photos below without have to look it up or Google for an answer. (if you know, please don't post it in the thread just yet, I'd like to know just how immediately recognizable this is to the average person). Before I'd ever grown them i would have never recognized them if I'd seen them, but now that we have the internet I suspect a greater portion of north america & europe might know what these are.
Perhaps a better question would be: If you were wandering through a suburban north American or European neighborhood and saw some small bushes of these growing along someones house, would you even give it a second look?
If you're reading the thread a simple : yes I immediately recognize that, or no would suffice.
http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/view.php?image=f5038c6d2ab32e1fe9239140109b3f6c.jpg
http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/view.php?image=ce33caa7c42ddc093ed7e732f70b2226.jpg
I had posted these pics a few weeks ago in my cannabis product offers thread and review thread and didn't hear a peep after a couple hundred views of the thread (which is a good sign). I am hoping and expecting that nobody would recognize these if I planted them outside.
If you are one of those people who due to some underlying self esteem or self confidence issue can't bear the thought of publicly admitting you don't know something, please go away, I don't need your fragile ego & personal insecurities to influence you to lie and skew the results just so you can feel better about yourself.
Thanks,
Bob
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No.
I wonder....
Are there drugs in the plant?
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For now I don't want to give the answer in the thread, but I will in a couple days.
If the majority of SR doesn't recognize them then my neighbors & delivery people certainly won't.
Thanks,
Bob
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I have no fucking clue.
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No clue, but I'm very curious now :)
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If they are what I think they are, I wasn't aware you could grow them outdoors in the northern hemisphere....
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Male weed plants with what looks like scraggly ass females in the back.
Wtf is the point? Indoor breeding room to isolate phenyl types?
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I don't know what they are.
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Male weed plants with what looks like scraggly ass females in the back.
Wtf is the point? Indoor breeding room to isolate phenyl types?
You think weed looks like that? Wow...
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I recognized it instantly, I'm not sure I'd consider myself an "average person" when it comes to plants, though.
I've thought about growing it for the very same reason. Great minds. ;)
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I recognized it instantly, I'm not sure I'd consider myself an "average person" when it comes to plants, though.
I've thought about growing it for the very same reason. Great minds. ;)
Then tell us what it is.
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I recognized it instantly, I'm not sure I'd consider myself an "average person" when it comes to plants, though.
I've thought about growing it for the very same reason. Great minds. ;)
Then tell us what it is.
Sent you a PM. :D
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Sent you a PM. :D
I would have never guessed it. I wonder if you're correct.
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Huh...No idea, although they look quite interesting. :) I wonder...?
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I have no idea Bob.
They look like nice green plants to me :)
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Some thoughts:
If these are drugs, I think you could grow several hectares of them in the countryside in the open no problem. Obviously you'll have to get your camouflage thought out really well. It's a completely different ball game to a hydroponic weed grow op that's for sure. Closed secrets are difficult to keep in the country unless they take up very little space.
I would suggest finding an extremely similar plant to this one, and then growing a wide swath of it at the circumference to your main crop. Alternatively you could grow the two plants in alternating rows which is a standard agricultural practice. Even if other farmer's spot that it's not the same crop as the interior one, they wouldn't be that suspicious of you because this is actually a fairly common practice in agronomy e.g. some plants are toxic to specific pests, so you can make a 'firewall' for your plants which are your main crop by using other ones defensively. This is very common with farmers who dislike using, or can't afford pesticides. e.g. the organic farmers.
Just in case though, you'll also need a reason to be growing that for non drug related properties (and you might as well put the 'defense/camo' crop up for sale too). I don't know what but you can figure out the details I'm sure, there's plenty of reasons to be growing hemp-like plants.
Believe it or not, it is very common for farmers to use plastic to give something of a greenhouse affect to rows of crops. I forget the name for this, but there will be photos on the internet of it, so if this plant is a thermophile then this would be a totally reasonable non suspect thing to be doing.
Good excuses for growing either crop (if farmer's ask) could be biodiesel / biomass stuff. A lot of farmers are experimenting in this area generally, so they are doing a lot of exotic grows in comparison to standard food/textile related crops.
Your biggest dangers would be regulators like farming inspectors e.g. looking for farmers tax dodging, which is common, and geek farmers who are big into new exotic uses of plants who could see past your 'camo'.
You will eventually require farmer friends for practical reasons such as borrowing machinery (it's hella expensive, heads into the millions of dollars easily). Also a lot of farmers are good people and will mind their own business even if they think somethings weird, so long as they understand you're a good guy willing to help them out occasionally when there is a need (e.g. you need all the help you can get at harvest times, so this is a good time to make allies). It is also important not to appear wealthy. They are lots of wealthy farmers, but none of them like flashy people it gives them bad vibes.
Country people are excellent spies! They will tip you off right away if people are snooping around your equipment or farm or crop fields. In the country neighbors look out for each other (so give them your phone numbers), but beware pitching your crop on 'sacred land'. If you start buying up big chunks of land all of a sudden, or if you buy land in the wrong place, then you could fall foul of local politics very fast. Make friends first, figure out the lay of the land, ask for advice, give help liberally, and your operational security will be bulletproof. Farmers are not friends of the government and never really will be because they are natural capitalists.
Anyway good luck with your idea. If this works, you could get rich very fast indeed, and very quickly your main problems turn from making money, to finding ways to get it back into the system. This is the kind of thing I keep banging on about the concept of 'vertical integrated' business strategies.
Protip: You can now get a bank loan, maybe even government money for growing drugs. Lulz! ;D
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pine, nice WOT for a yes or no question (should we expect anything different) I still love you though
and I don't know what the plants are, anything I said would be a guess
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Male weed plants with what looks like scraggly ass females in the back.
Wtf is the point? Indoor breeding room to isolate phenyl types?
Opiofile, I'm amazed that you not only got it completely wrong (there's berries growing on it for gods sake) but you also managed to post the wrong answer in the thread when it was a yes/no question.
Also: I have indeed isolated isolated the "phenyl types"
BEHOLD, A PHENYL TYPE
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But in all seriousness there is a phenyl group attached to what we isolate from this.
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Yes, i am pretty sure I know what these are.
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Mushrooms! Oh wait...
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pine, nice WOT for a yes or no question (should we expect anything different) I still love you though
and I don't know what the plants are, anything I said would be a guess
It is difficult to be concise when you have a new consignment of marker pens and No.3 chocolate cocoa blend.
But look at it this way. If I actually split my posts by paragraph I'd have a higher post count than Lim. :p
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Does the name of the plant have 2 words? The first word starting with E the second with C? If not then I have no idea what it is.But it has a strong resemblance to a plant Ive seen! And if I'm right about the plant then I doubt many people in our country would recognize it.If I'm wrong PM me and let me know you've sparked my curiosity!
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No fucking way are they cannabis boys.
Might be Savia or Coca.
My guessiis
Any prize for the winner?
;D
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No fucking way are they cannabis boys.
Might be Savia or Coca.
My guessiis
Any prize for the winner?
;D
Definitely not cannabis haha I think 98% of us would recognize cannabis when we seen it.Most of us can distinguish even further between indica,sativa, or ruderalis.Its not weed that's for sure.I am guessing its a south American plant and natives chew it.
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hope you got alot of them, it takes about a quarter hectare to make kilo :)
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I have no idea but reading this thread has made me really curious. Someone PM me the answer? :)
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If that's what I think that is the problem you're going to have is in a few years that's not going to be a small plant it's gonna be a damn tree, basically. If it's in the open someone will recognize it eventually.
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yeah i know what it is w/o google i don't think many people would recognize it though but it is gonna get pretty big and tall and like op said it takes a lot of em to get any weight
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Would I know it by sight or look at it twice if passing by? Not at all.
Can I guess what it is due to this thread? Maybe.
Will you PM me the answer? This has now made me really curious.
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i'm about 99% sure i know what it is, even before "Auguest West" gave the clue. Would i recognize them walking down the street? most likely not. i'd like to see what these plants look like when the get bigger. If you could keep the thread updated, that would be nice. i thought it was impossible to grow in northern hemisphere also. Would die to get one of those fresh leaves, to know what they smell like / taste like.
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I have no idea what these are. If I walked right by them I would never give a second look. BUT be careful cause there's a lot of everyday botanists out there who would.
If I had to guess, maybe Coca leaf?
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Very Nice! How did you get these to grow? and what type environment do you live in if you dont mind me asking
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But in all seriousness there is a phenyl group attached to what we isolate from this.
My guess is coca.
In which case I'm very curious: how do you grow it and what are the yields?
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heres a bigger question. would DEA or LE recognise it?
obviously they're trained to reckognise a half pound brick of pot/coke/mdma rocks/lsd tabs
but do any of them, especially the little boys actually know what the precursors looked like?
im sure you could plant an iboga tree or some L.Caapi somewhere about your place and never get found out ;)
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Yep coca plant would be my guess aswell. However I believe you need hectares of land in order to get any sort of yield.
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if you want to try and manufacture cocaine from the leaves yes you would need hectares, if you plan on chewing the leaves to treat altitude sickness then hectares would be a bit excessive.
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Funny, I've chewed the coca leaf in South America specifically for altitude sickness. It's not illegal in Bolivia or Peru. What I found was a drug comparable to .. weak coffee. It's nothing, if not harmless on it's own. In fact I still had the dull thud of a headache as I chewed the leaves no matter how much mastication.
Anyway, I don't mean to highjack this thread - So FarmerBob, is it or isn't it?
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It's Coca. But Coca looks quite a bit like Oleander, a highly toxic decorative shrub. I think anyone with basic plant knowledge would assume that it was Oleander, and stay away.
Alternatively, you could plant a couple of Oleander bushes around the plants to make everything blend in together.
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I for one would love to make some Coca tea. His leaves would be great for this.
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It is indeed erythroxylum, but not E coca, instead it is E. novogranatense, more specifically it is E. novogranatense truxillence, "highland coca". It is only second year growing them I've got three "mothers" on the side of the grow room that I can't show you. I've been successfully breeding them both indoors and out.
Many years ago when I lived in texas I experimented with growing E. Coca and E. novo-novo. The E. coca does poorly both indoors and out, it had to be kept in a warmer & more humid environment to thrive (does great in a terrarium though), didn't do so well in my grow room at all. The E. novo-novo did better and I was able to keep a few alive for a few years, rotating them to my porch every summer, but the novos suffered from chronic chlorosis and eventually I got rid of the novo-novo when I moved.
These E. Novo-trux plants from are amazing, fast growing and hardy if you keep them well away from freezing, easy to breed. The ones in the pictures are only a few months old.
the fact that I posted this on a drug forum gave it away, even still I think only a few percent of those who saw it knew what it was and had I shown you some other erythroxylum you probably would have also thought it was coca (of course you really can differentiate that easily from photos). I did this summer plant one (about a foot tall) in a very public flowerbed next to a federal government building in a major metro area that probably gets hundreds (if not thousands) of passerbys every day. No one took it, no one called the cops, and no homeless people ate them, so that's a pretty good sign. It's been getting quite cold at night lately and it had dropped it's leaves and will probably die soon, but for a few months it was doing great.
I have no intention of making cocaine, I'm not a big fan of the stronger concentrated drugs: cocaine/heroin/meth/crack/bath salts/ & whatever all these RCs are. I actually support the war on those drugs. But coca tea is nice every once in a while. If you make it with lemon it turns out well. Or leaf tea with instant coffee.
I've extracted and refined the cocaine a couple times only to determine cocaine content, I can pull about 4mg/g of dry leaf, and i'm probably losing almost 1/2 in the process. So I'd guess that puts it around average to good cocaine content for the leaf.
It would actually take 250kg of dried leaf to make 1kilo of pure cocaine. Each dried leaf weighs about 80mg so I'd take just over 3million leaves. At a pull rate of 1000/m^2 (which seems easy to do a few times a year given the growth rate I see in these) that is about 0.3hectares, so good job to auguest west for knowing that before I did.
A guy (or team) would REALLY have to work thier butts off to do that though and for anyone in the northern hemisphere to pull that off they would also have to be able to clone these and start 10,000+ indoors as there wouldn't be time to grow from seed to tree size before winter came... maybe at aussie prices it makes more sense (probably still impractical), but at US prices you'd be busting your ass and putting yourself at considerable risk for a payoff that is just too small. But that goes back to my advice of "don't be a drug dealer, you work to hard and expose yourself to too much risk for the money". Get an education and real job instead, life will be much much easier.
I've got a handful of these and have been experimenting with what it takes to grow them and grow them well, soil/fertilizers/light/etc. They do better in sun than in the grow room. And i've figured out how to deal with the chlorosis. Eventually I may get bored with them and sell them or give them away, but for now it's an interesting and unique plant to play with (at least for those of us outside of S. America).
I still haven't decided if I'll move the planters out front next summer. I doubt anyone would recognize it, but someone might mistake it for marijuana and call the DEA in.
Thanks for participating in my little survey.
Bob
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pine, nice WOT for a yes or no question (should we expect anything different) I still love you though
and I don't know what the plants are, anything I said would be a guess
It is difficult to be concise when you have a new consignment of marker pens and No.3 chocolate cocoa blend.
But look at it this way. If I actually split my posts by paragraph I'd have a higher post count than Lim. :p
roflmfao :P
EDIT: nobody would recognize it not even LE.
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pine, nice WOT for a yes or no question (should we expect anything different) I still love you though
and I don't know what the plants are, anything I said would be a guess
It is difficult to be concise when you have a new consignment of marker pens and No.3 chocolate cocoa blend.
But look at it this way. If I actually split my posts by paragraph I'd have a higher post count than Lim. :p
roflmfao :P
I just now read this, and was expecting a much longer reply from pine myself lol.
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Would you be selling leaves or seeds. My fiance collects and grows a small amount of mystical and drug related plants (both medical and recreational). We dont really mess with most of them, it's just a hobby of hers. I would LOVE to be able to gift her a coca plant for christmas. I've also been curious about coca tea for awhile as I hate caffeine.
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Damn I was so close :-\
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Thanks for all of the info Farmerbob!
If you ever get viable seeds off of these, please let me know. I'd really like to try this as a greenhouse plant, and a cup of coca tea sounds a lot more interesting than a cup of coffee.
Edit: Word choice.
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All that effort for authentic Coca-Cola...
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you can buy coca leaves off the internet.
coca tea bags.... n all (with all the alkaloids)
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All that effort for authentic Coca-Cola...
My conspiracy antenna on my head is twitching.
Coca-Cola begins with a 'C'! Cartels begin with a 'C'! :o
It all is coming together for pine with her caffeine addiction :)
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My conspiracy antenna on my head is twitching.
Coca-Cola begins with a 'C'! Cartels begin with a 'C'! :o
It all is coming together for pine with her caffeine addiction :)
Just like Cocaine, Cryptography, Conspiracy, CIA and Colombia. And CoolG... Wait. Be. Very. Paranoid
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My conspiracy antenna on my head is twitching.
Coca-Cola begins with a 'C'! Cartels begin with a 'C'! :o
It all is coming together for pine with her caffeine addiction :)
Just like Cocaine, Cryptography, Conspiracy, CIA and Colombia. And CoolG... Wait. Be. Very. Paranoid
:o :o :o